@Wyxaq you have no idea what you're talking about. gay people back then kept it a secret from everyone including the family! I have a gay friend in his 50s. his parents died not knowing he was gay! they probably told themselves that he was too shy to ask a girl out too instead of accepting that he might be gay and secretly have a boyfriend they weren't aware of...
asker, I'm really sorry about your loss.. I was just trying to cheer you a little up.. with a raffish idea. i meant no harm.
@bubble_tea I really hate to burst your bubble but he was obviously not gay, cause he had no "secret boyfriend".. why are you so bigot, accusing people of being "gay"? There are lots of shy, bashful and timid people, unable to form emotional bond with opposite gender, but that doesn't make them "gay".
@Wyxaq BOTH things are possible, I don't deny he could have been just too shy to ask girls out, just saying there could be another reason too. there's a difference! you're the bigot who won't allow another possibility, even if it would mean that he wasn't as lonely as everyone thought and maybe even happy!
@bubble_tea Introverted loners are usually not gay... I know lots of such guys. Real gay people are often very social and communicative & talkative people.
@Wyxaq I'm glad that you know all the gay people in the world young and old that you came this insightful conclusion. @kamaehameha1234 gave more examples than just accepting he's an introverted loner.. you gonna jump at him too?
I'm going to intrude. @Wyxaq what's so wrong with being gay? @bubble_tea only presented a possibility. It's impossible to determine whether @bubble_tea 's uncle was gay or straight with the very limited description of him. Also your bigoted generalization about "introverted loners" and gays are very inaccurate. I know introverted gays, so there you go. None of us are insulting bubble_tea's uncle.
@kamaehameha1234 it's not bubble_tea's uncle, it's Terrell456's uncle. By the way, I said that "most of the gay people are not introverted", but I didn't say "all of them".
@Terrell456 I can agree with some of kamaehameha1234's ideas, he might have been asexual or extremely reserved... but it's all in genetics, if you are not gay, then your uncle was probably straight - just like you. On the other hand, I disagree with phrase: "shy people usually figure out a way to ask women on dates" - that's not true, most of the shy people are unable to overcome their fear, so they need a girl willing to take the initiative... or else - they will remain alone, for the rest of their life.
@Wyxaq REALLY? Gay-ness is hereditary? BULLSHIT Provide me with scientific literature backing this then I'll believe you. So my gay friend must have also had gay family members. If someone in my family is gay then I must also be gay? Highly illogical. Go shove your bigotry elsewhere
@Wyxaq "most of the shy people are unable to overcome their fear" you just insulted a shit ton of people. Also did you know that people can change? Please stop with your generalizations.
@kamaehameha1234 It's not a generalisation, it's a personality type, I know lots of shy people, none of them ever approached any girl without help from some friends (or they were lucky enough to find a girl who likes to make the first move).
@kamaehameha1234 On the other hand, you constantly generalize shy and introverted people, proclaiming them "gay"... so please, stop insulting people. Yes, gay-ness is hereditary, it's a genetic disorder, or some sort of hormonal disbalance, but one day in the future, science will be able to treat this disorder, just like they did on mice, as you can see here: scienceblogs.com/.../
@Wyxaq uhmmm... when did I proclaim introverts are gays? Did you know introverts can be gay or straight or of some other orientation? I am not making any generalizations, just playing with possibilities. Yes his uncle may be classified as an "introvert" according to some personality type, but that doesn't mean you can generalize behavior. Once an introvert garners courage to ask a girl out, is he/she no longer an introvert?
Also, here's the problem with this conversation. You guys are treating gay-ness as an evil. Since you love to categorize people, you should note that "gay-ness" is a sexual orientation type. WOW. If his uncle turned out to be gay, cool. If not, that's cool too. We aren't "accusing" him of doing anything wrong. We are merely presenting possibilities. If you were offended by that, then that's unfortunate. Also, like @Asker said, his uncle never revealed anything about his sexual orientation, so we won't know anything certain. If anything, Asker knows better. We don't have enough information to understand determine uncle's motives for staying single.
@kamaehameha1234 Okay, let's say that all options are possible, but I'm just saying that it is less likely that he was gay... considering that Asker said "I find that very rude" (when bubble_tea insinuated that possibility in her answer). Mildly shy people possibly could gather up some courage to ask girl out, but true introverts... I don't think so (from my experience with them). Anyway, you are right, we don't have enough information to determine all of the factors in this case.
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I don't wanna sound rude.. but did you ever contemplate that he may have been gay?
I find that very rude. You wouldn't want anybody asking you that about a deceased relative, do you?
why not? maybe I missed a few clues.
if you wanted to hear 'they die from bitterness'.. well, we all die eventually.. 70 is a hell of an age for a bitter man
*to reach
I'm sorry. I just took his death really hard. I shouldn't take it out on you.
It's ok. I actually meant it well.. as in... maybe he wasn't as lonely as you thought he was.
If he were a "gay", then he would ask men out, but he is obviously not gay... he is just too shy to ask girls out.
He doesn't have to worry about it anymore. He is deceased.
@Wyxaq you have no idea what you're talking about. gay people back then kept it a secret from everyone including the family! I have a gay friend in his 50s. his parents died not knowing he was gay! they probably told themselves that he was too shy to ask a girl out too instead of accepting that he might be gay and secretly have a boyfriend they weren't aware of...
asker, I'm really sorry about your loss.. I was just trying to cheer you a little up.. with a raffish idea. i meant no harm.
@bubble_tea I really hate to burst your bubble but he was obviously not gay, cause he had no "secret boyfriend".. why are you so bigot, accusing people of being "gay"? There are lots of shy, bashful and timid people, unable to form emotional bond with opposite gender, but that doesn't make them "gay".
Asker, I'm so sorry about your loss :(
@Wyxaq BOTH things are possible, I don't deny he could have been just too shy to ask girls out, just saying there could be another reason too. there's a difference! you're the bigot who won't allow another possibility, even if it would mean that he wasn't as lonely as everyone thought and maybe even happy!
@bubble_tea Introverted loners are usually not gay... I know lots of such guys. Real gay people are often very social and communicative & talkative people.
@Wyxaq I'm glad that you know all the gay people in the world young and old that you came this insightful conclusion. @kamaehameha1234 gave more examples than just accepting he's an introverted loner.. you gonna jump at him too?
I'm going to intrude. @Wyxaq what's so wrong with being gay? @bubble_tea only presented a possibility. It's impossible to determine whether @bubble_tea 's uncle was gay or straight with the very limited description of him.
Also your bigoted generalization about "introverted loners" and gays are very inaccurate. I know introverted gays, so there you go. None of us are insulting bubble_tea's uncle.
@kamaehameha1234 it's not bubble_tea's uncle, it's Terrell456's uncle.
By the way, I said that "most of the gay people are not introverted", but I didn't say "all of them".
@Terrell456 I can agree with some of kamaehameha1234's ideas, he might have been asexual or extremely reserved... but it's all in genetics, if you are not gay, then your uncle was probably straight - just like you. On the other hand, I disagree with phrase: "shy people usually figure out a way to ask women on dates" - that's not true, most of the shy people are unable to overcome their fear, so they need a girl willing to take the initiative... or else - they will remain alone, for the rest of their life.
@Wyxaq 'most but not all' huh? please explain why you insisted TWICE in this thread that 'he was obviously not gay'.
@kamaehameha1234 thanks for your comment :)
@Wyxaq yes, and if his uncle was gay, it would mean the asker is gay too... very logical you are
@@bubble_tea Genes are hereditary if you didn't know, that's why it's obviously that he was not gay... so - yes, it's logical ;)
@Wyxaq REALLY? Gay-ness is hereditary? BULLSHIT
Provide me with scientific literature backing this then I'll believe you. So my gay friend must have also had gay family members. If someone in my family is gay then I must also be gay? Highly illogical. Go shove your bigotry elsewhere
@Wyxaq "most of the shy people are unable to overcome their fear" you just insulted a shit ton of people. Also did you know that people can change? Please stop with your generalizations.
@kamaehameha1234 It's not a generalisation, it's a personality type, I know lots of shy people, none of them ever approached any girl without help from some friends (or they were lucky enough to find a girl who likes to make the first move).
@kamaehameha1234 On the other hand, you constantly generalize shy and introverted people, proclaiming them "gay"... so please, stop insulting people.
Yes, gay-ness is hereditary, it's a genetic disorder, or some sort of hormonal disbalance, but one day in the future, science will be able to treat this disorder, just like they did on mice, as you can see here: scienceblogs.com/.../
@Wyxaq uhmmm... when did I proclaim introverts are gays? Did you know introverts can be gay or straight or of some other orientation? I am not making any generalizations, just playing with possibilities. Yes his uncle may be classified as an "introvert" according to some personality type, but that doesn't mean you can generalize behavior. Once an introvert garners courage to ask a girl out, is he/she no longer an introvert?
Also, here's the problem with this conversation. You guys are treating gay-ness as an evil. Since you love to categorize people, you should note that "gay-ness" is a sexual orientation type. WOW. If his uncle turned out to be gay, cool. If not, that's cool too. We aren't "accusing" him of doing anything wrong. We are merely presenting possibilities. If you were offended by that, then that's unfortunate. Also, like @Asker said, his uncle never revealed anything about his sexual orientation, so we won't know anything certain. If anything, Asker knows better. We don't have enough information to understand determine uncle's motives for staying single.
On a separate note: interesting paper.
@kamaehameha1234 Okay, let's say that all options are possible, but I'm just saying that it is less likely that he was gay... considering that Asker said "I find that very rude" (when bubble_tea insinuated that possibility in her answer).
Mildly shy people possibly could gather up some courage to ask girl out, but true introverts... I don't think so (from my experience with them).
Anyway, you are right, we don't have enough information to determine all of the factors in this case.
He was not gay. So if a man never interacts with women he's gay? Ignorance!
Yes, in a nutshell, that is the most likely fate.
Yep, and no one gives a fuck about them.
That is messed up.
Kind of harsh don't you think?
Just a little.
They stay single, and live a long lonely life.
some get lucky and be approached by a women
They are almost guaranteed to be single for life
that's what's going to happen to me
Join the club.
They ask out men
lol !
very likely could end up alone
They end up on here.
I'm on here and I'm in a relationship.
I'm honestly jealous that I didn't think of this awesome comment first...
EL. OH. EL.