Meat eaters, do you ever feel bad for the animals you eat?

[alohaahyes]

No vegan.

[Anonymous]

Sometimes I do, but not because they died for me to eat. I feel bad for them because it probably had to live it’s life in terrible conditions before it was slaughtered. Nature is cruel. Animals eat other animals to live, but human beings are the only animals that capture animals, force them to have babies, raise them in filth and confinement, and then murder them. At least in the wild animals get to live free before they are mauled by a tiger or some other animal. The food that makes me feel guiltiest is milk though. The lives of dairy cows are just horrible. When they’re born female cows are taken to become dairy cows and the males are slaughtered for veal. The female cow is raised and once it’s mature it is forcibly impregnated so that it can produce milk. If the baby is a boy it is slaughtered, and if it’s a girl it will be raised like it’s mother. Humans take the mother cows milk for our own consumption. The cows udders can be damaged by this which can cause blood and pus to appear in the milk. The cow lives it’s entire life repeatedly being impregnated, having its babies taken away, and having its milk stolen by us until one day it collapses and refuses to stand. Once the cow goes down it is slaughtered. I watched a whole documentary on this and ever since I don’t drink milk and I stay away from dairy products.

[MissKittyz]

No, since I don't see their actual full dead body in my plate, just some cooked pieces of meat that isn't recognizable. I'd only feel bad if I saw the animal being killed and cut open in front of me. I wouldn't eat that. Just like I dont and wouldn't eat an animal's head either. That's too much for me.

[Trex706]

100%. I feel guilty wearing my Nikes. I feel guilty using this phone I'm typing on, I feel guilty knowing that I have it better than 90% of humanity in 2019 because I have food and shelter and more than 20 dollars in my wallet. I try to not feel bad and instead remain aware of my place in the world. I'm unbelievably lucky and if you are reading this so are you. Over 25,000 humans die of malnutrition or lack of water EVERY DAY on this planet but we are lucky enough to not only not be one of those unfortunate souls, we are so lucky we aren't even aware it's happening. We don't even give a moment to think about how lucky we are.

Stay humble. Starve your ego. Feed your soul. Love your neighbors, your enemy, and yourself. Just love, and keep gratitude at the forefront of your mind at all times. This life is a gift and your position means you owe it to yourself and those less fortunate to make the most of it because THEY can't. By simply being alive... as a human of all living creatures, in the year 2019... the odds of you being who you are at this point in time means you have already won the lottery 100x in a row. Use the gift of life wisely and bring love and light to the world around you while you are here.

[Pentagram_medallion]

That's interesting and completely agree with you but did you know that a lot of our grains are fed to livestock that are killed for meat. If people stopped eating meat we would have enough food to feed those poor people starving in other less fortunate countries?

[TreelonMusk]

No. However, if lab-grown meat that was 100% safe (potentially even more nutritious than normal meat) and cost effective was widely available I'd eat it in a heartbeat.

I've killed a larger animal before and it's pretty weird... I would recommend everyone who eats meat personally kills one animal so that they understand what it is to eat meat. We are really disconnected from it since meat processing is done in factories but something has to die every time you eat meat and it's really important that you appreciate that. I've almost never wasted food since.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Agree with you. Would you try out a plant based diet? Or eat mock meat? There are plenty out there that tastes so realistic and nobody has to suffer or die and its just as nutritional?

[Kaazsz]

I eat meat. I think it’s morally wrong the way we manufacture animals for our consumption.

But I probably won’t stop eating meat cuz I’m addicted to it anyways. As I’m sure we all are.

As technology and economy advances and grows, alternatives will arise. At some point our natural desire to be harmonious with nature will produce a cost efficient alternative. As people grow morally these things will become more and more popular and I think eventually the way we treat animals will change for the most part.

[victordave]

No.
I felt bad when I gave away my bunnies.
After a few months, I was told that both bunnies had died due to cold in winter last year. But I didn't feel so sad for them this time.

On the same condition, I don't kill the animals that I eat. And those I eat, I never see them get killed.

The emotional attachment lies only in seeing another physical embodiment of a soul in pain. Once that soul has left the body, what's left is just a Corpse.
If you have had memories attached with that physical embodiment, you'll feel sad for that soul for a certain duration until your brain accepts its (animal's) fate.

As neither did I have memories with the chicken I had for lunch today, nor did I kill it or see its pain being killed by the butcher...

No, I don't feel bad for any of those I've eaten.

For the attachment thing...
I've heard people pet pigs and goats in barns, pet them have farm memories with them and kill them with their own hands...

[SirRexington]

I don't ever think about it. We drive part a farm almost every day and see the cows as we do. I don't think they are cows bred for eating but still, those are the things that are in my burger, taco and steaks. And even though I love animals, I also love eating them.

It sucks that we have to eat chickens and cows and other creatures. I don't like to think of them being killed. But they are here for us to eat. We have to realize that every animal on the face of the Earth has a predator pretty much. They eat for survival. Technically so do we.

[hellacray]

Hmm I don't think so.

But I do try to finish everything. Usually if I'm too full I'd leave some rice or salad left, but I usually always finish the protein.

I don't really have an issue with finishing my food. Even at buffets I finish everything that I put on my plate.

Well unless there's something really wrong with it. Like there was quite a few times where I would grab a few fries. And the fries were so hard and tough felt like I was chewing on jerky.

That's a pro tip never ever get fries from a buffet. Crap probably sits there for days.

[LesterJester]

Of course not. By the time it's on my plate, it's already dead. Am I supposed to get upset and lose my appetite, for what?

Then I lose my appetite, that food goes to waste and that animal died for nothing.

I eat every damn thing on my plate because I don't waste. Plants, animals, water, thry all sacrifice their existence to prolong my own.

[Pentagram_medallion]

The animals are slaughtered because you are supporting this industry and paying for them to be slaughtered. If you stop paying for this the demand for meat will decline, meaning less animals will be slaughtered. Also animals are not here for us. We do not own them. They have a right to live and we take those rights away. They are not just something or just a piece of meat they were someone with feelings and emotions. They are sentient beings just like us.

[LesterJester]

@Pentagram_medallion yup, heard it all before.

Though a plant does not have a central nervous system, a tomato plant can detect when an insect is chewing on its leaves and in order to defend itself, it will release a chemical that makes it bitter so the insect will stop eating it.

That tomato plant is aware of the world around it, can detect when it is being harmed and will do what it can to protect itself. That's pretty much what our central nervous system does... It helps us be more aware of the world around us, it detects when we are being harmed so we can react in whatever way required to protect ourselves.

Yet you will place an animal's right to live over that plant because that animal can make a cute face or do a neat little trick.

The only argument that vegans can use to defend their position is all related to something having a central nervous system and whether that thing can sense pain or suffering.

Pain and suffering is just electrical signals sent to our brains to make us do something to stop any harm or death coming to us. It's a defence mechanism.

And yet mammals, reptiles, birds, insects, etc. Are not the only living creatures on this planet that have defence mechanisms to keep themselves alive. Chemical reactions, thorns, poisons, etc. Plants all use, and then some, to protect and defend themselves.

I eat everything equally and I am fully aware that regardless of what it used to be, it ceased its existence for me to keep alive on this planet for a little while longer.

How much plant life was slaughtered over the years to keep you alive? You probably don't even give it a second thought, do you?

[LesterJester]

Don't forget... "Plant Life. " it is all alive and you kill it and slaughter it every single day without batting an eye.

Maybe it's easier for you because what you're slaughtering doesn't have eyes to look back at you with or a little mout to scream in agony while you rip them through a grater or slice their body parts up into bits and toss it all into a little salad of genocide.

You want humans to stop making other living creatures and beings suffer and die for our personal gain?

Stop existing.

[LesterJester]

Where's the outraged over venus fly traps and similar plants that prey on creatures that have central nervous systems?

[LesterJester]

Oh and if you think my argument are absurd, well then now you know how vegans sound like to the rest of the world.

You're not somehow more enlightened, you only pick and choose what is easier to kill without feeling as much guilt because you can't look at your prey in the face and acknowledge you're taking its life with your bare hands.

We are all a part of this ecosystem no matter how intelligent or enlightened you think humans are. In order to sustain your vegn life, large fields of plant life have to be made, which further pushes out animals from their natural habitats, thus still making them suffer, including the ones we don't eat.

[Pentagram_medallion]

You can't compare plants to animals. Have you ever seen a tomato plant cry when it's torn from its mother, beg for its life etc? I justify eating plants over animals not because animals are cute but because animals are sentient and plants are not. Why would I give plants a second thought over an animal? Animals are abused, live cruel harsh lives, are slaughtered brutally, are raped, boiled alive, put into gas Chambers, stabbed, grinded alive, torn from their mother's etc etc. All you need to do is pick a plant, not do any of that stuff that they do to animals. Stop pretending to care about the wellbeing of plants to justify slaughtering and abusing an animal

[Pentagram_medallion]

Also I don't think humans are intelligent at all. We are the dumbest most stupidest species. You are an example if you come up with stupid arguments that killing plants is worse than killing an animal. You know killing an animal is wrong. Stop trying to justify it. Yea maybe you're right I should stop existing. Wouldn't mind it tbh. I'm ashamed to be human when I'm associated to a bunch of people who claim slaughtering an animal is perfectly fine.

[LesterJester]

@Pentagram_medallion I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over me snapping the tail off my lobster I just boiled alive. Let me just scoop that little poop vein outta there and chomp down.

8 only have a limited time on this planet and I intend to not only use my sentience and central nervous system to their full ability, but my taste buds as well.

And meat and animal products taste fk'n great.

Happy Thanksgiving. I'll make a wish on a turkey's wishbone that your next vegan meal tastes wonderful and fulfilling.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Damn you're immature, mind you don't choke. Also your taste buds aren't worth an animals life.

[TripleAce]

Yes
Just the process of killing them is kept away from us because obviously most wouldn't be ok with it

I dont think id want to kill an animal to eat it. If i could live healthy off plant based diet. I would
Just we buy meat at the store so its easy to forget

[kay02]

Not at all. Although I am aware of how bad a lot of animals are treated in factory farms. Honestly my feelings of hunger always trump everything else. I have started switching out beef for quorn but for health reasons, rather than me caring about animals.

[DuskDanger]

Me not eating meat on my plate won't change it from being dead already. Animals in the meat industry such as cows raised for beef are treated as royalty, the owner of a ranch will take a single cow to 4 diffrent vets to check for diseases or to help it in anyway, im all for killing less animals and treating them the best we can but im not going to stop eating meat that has already been prepared.

[UchihasLove]

Not at all. Not a single time have I ever felt remorse after eating meat. It is the circle of life, and I am only glad that I have been born human.

We need meat for protein and it is a necessity to our diet. Eating too much meat may not be healthy but eating a balanced diet is.

[FunkyMonkee]

Do you ever feel bad for the plants you eat? They're living organisms, too.

[alohaahyes]

I don't eat plants so no.

[FunkyMonkee]

If you don't eat meat or plants, what do you eat? Or do you just drink?

[alohaahyes]

I just drink

[Unit1]

Not really. The food chain exists for a reason. Apex predators such as wolves, bears and lions don't feel bad about eating other animals - in fact it's food! Yummy! They love it.

However I do feel very terrible when the meat spoils or rots. It used to be a living creature and it died and it's remains weren't even consumed. Hence a waste of life.

[chriscdi]

The pnly animal i feel bad for are lobsters as supposely they are suppose to be boiled alive and some people say they actually scream, i think having to eat them after being boiled alive is cruel and i think that them "having" to be boiled alive is a myth.

[Pentagram_medallion]

That's true I've seen a video before and it is so heartbreaking. Also other animals are killed horrendously and it is so cruel. Have you ever seen a video of an animal being killed in a slaughterhouse? They also scream, try to run but can't, they also cry tears like us in those slaughterhouses

[Anonymous]

Yes. As someone working in the field of helping animals it sometimes feels hypocritical.
I've thought about switching to vegetarianism or pescetarianism and I probably will eventually. I've never been crazy about meat anyways. I don't even think bacon is anything special even though everyone seems crazy about it lol.

[RobLovesDemi1234]

lmfao im slobbering down a huge hunk of chicken breast at this very moment answering this question. so do i feel guilty umm no. people need meat for its protein and iron and other neutriants the body needs. do animals feel guilty for eating other animals when they're hungry no. killing animals for eating consuming meat is fine BUT killing animals for sport is NEVER ok. That's the difference

[Nicolette777]

Veggie. When I was a meat eater, I didn’t feel guilty because I didn’t actively see them slaughtered or relate it to a real animal. I just found it really weird that people ate animals. Now I would never eat meat again. Now I would feel bad

[St0nedxKilla]

Sometimes. I use to be vegan for a short period of time because of my food allergies it was best for my diet to avoid allergic reactions. I still eat meat not as much ( since it is one of my allergies.)

[mateynine]

Do you ever feel bad for the vegetables that you eat? What about all the bugs and wild life that had to be killed to protect your produce?

[alohaahyes]

I don't eat my veggies so no. Whether or not I care about bugs and wild life depends on the bug and wild animal.

[Leeda]

yes and not just for the animals because meat production is really unsustainable and it's causing more problems than we see... that's why I don't eat meat when I don't have to.

[MaelaKmr]

No, I am not able to realize the meat I eat results from the the death and suffering of another being. I know it consciously but I can't realize it emotionally if you see what I mean.

[cheekylad]

No as a gardener plant's are alive do u feel bad about eating them

[alohaahyes]

I don't eat my veggies so no.

[optimistgirl]

I’m vegan and have been for the better half of my adult life. I have adapted a diet that farm animals eat in solidarity. No animals should be subjected to such abuse. Why eat a dog when you can eat a carrot?

[teamvic]

Nope

Because if a tiger ate my ass he wouldn't feel bad

[teamvic]

Well now that i re read that it sounds weird

So if a tiger ate me*

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

No, because animals dont have souls
I have killed chickens, lobsters, and goats, and eaten them.
If anything it made the food more enjoyable and gave me a greater respect for the sacrifice.

[Philyouup]

Cuz you gotta kill’em to eat’em. 😜🍤🌭🥩🍔🍗🍖🍳🥓🌮🥘🍛🍱 Got eat’em all!

[Kurαȷ]

No, I do not.
In fact I sing "cut out my tongue so that I can't scream, there is meat, there is meat on me!" while I eat meat.

[Just_someone23]

Nope I was raised on farm and we grown up eatting animals we rasied from young. Every November was butcher month

[Adam1978]

No, but I think we can afford to treat our animals well during their life and not run meat industries as we do today.

[Maraneva]

Nope but I prefer not to watch cows being slaughtered because I kinda like them a lot and at the same time I'm an insane beef eater.

[Pentagram_medallion]

If you can't watch why do you still eat them? If you like cows why do you still eat them? Dog lovers don't eat dogs so why is it different if it's a cow?

[Maraneva]

@Pentagram_medallion in that case, many people on the planet won't be able to eat meat.
Oh and make no mistake, I sure can watch and I've skinned chickens, lamb etc myself. I just prefer not to. That's different from not being able to handle it.😊

[Maraneva]

And not just cows. I don't prefer to watch any animal being slaughtered and skinned even though I've done those myself. Preferences 😅

[Pentagram_medallion]

Do you think this is moral though? How can you justify killing someone who doesn't want to die? And also we have so many alternatives that taste realistic and everyone can live

[Maraneva]

@Pentagram_medallion Okay you clearly are not okay with eating meat but I am. I also don't have that view because even the holy book that I follow allows us to eat meat so there is no religious obligation either. If you still want to argue about morals though, maybe we should start thinking about humans murdering fellow humans and try to correct that basic flaw in the world before trying to be an animal rescue hero. Animals are hunted anyway by other predators too. It's how nature works. It's just that people don't prefer to eat meat and that's okay. What's not okay however is trying to project this as one of the biggest problems in the world while there are so many other problems going on. Prioritise the wrong doings in the world for example. Murder of other humans, deforestation, pollution the list can go on and people choosing meat in their diet is a far smaller problem, trust me sweetie.
The Bible asks us the same thing I just put forth: "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
I know you'll keep arguing but I'm finished here. Have a nice day 😊

[Pentagram_medallion]

Just because a religion says its OK does that make it OK? I don't know what religion you are but I'm just gonna talk about catholics for a minute. I'm supposed to be a Catholic but I chose not to be or live that way because I don't agree with what it preaches or with its past. They made it OK to rape young boys, murder and Bury women and babies, even though they say to love your neighbour and be kind and stuff. Stuff they did is illegal and its illegal for a reason. Murdering other humans really isn't the biggest issue in todays world. Damaging the earth is like deforestation and pollution so I'll agree with you there. But climate change is a huge problem at this moment and one of the biggest contributer to that is the meat industry so by not eating meat or reducing your consumption we can try reverse climate change. And humans and animals should be equal so if its wrong to kill a person it is wrong to kill an animal

[Maraneva]

@Pentagram_medallion I live in a place where we don't mass produce cattle for your information. We rear them in small farms and overall, the meat consumption here is small. And we don't waste meat and want more. I'm sure that here, meat processing does not make such a huge impact as much as cattle processing units in American farms do.
But that aside, I'm pretty shocked how you dismissed my statement as and I quote, "Murdering other humans really isn't the biggest issue in todays world." Shows how little regard you have for another life. You really should introspect about what you said and how it portrays you as. If a person is ready to make such a statement, it automatically nullifies whatever "regard for life" statements they make. I'm not even gonna compare a human life and an animal life. Just the fact that you said that one line is enough to see your thought process so there's no use in arguing further. You can continue further if you want. Don't expect replies.

[Maraneva]

You know what? I'm rephrasing my original reply to the question. So here we go.
"Nope I'm an insane eater of beef, mutton and chicken. It's just food so makes no difference 😊"

[Pentagram_medallion]

I don't care what you think of me you don't know me anyways. How little you think of animal life days a lot about you. Humans and animals are equal. We are no more important than anyone else and we are not superior. No matter where you are in the world killing an animal is all done cruelly also I'm not from America. I'm from a small island yet here there is still mass breeding and the slaughtering is horrific so the location doesn't matter its all wrong.

[Maraneva]

@Pentagram_medallion Oh pardon my reply after I said I won't. I wad going through the other answers and saw you popping up in every one of them. I've only one thing to tell you. See the not which the original asker mentioned below her question. "No vegan"
You are trying to make others understand your viewpoint in a question where that viewpoint is already out of the window. ¿Comprendo?

[Pentagram_medallion]

Yea I saw no vegan but I've chosen to ignore that because I've ecery right to comment. I'm not trying to show people my viewpoint or whatever but I'm just trying to stand up for what's right and speak up for those who can't. I want to ask people why they think it's OK and show them a more compassionate way of living where everyone can be happy, animals and humans included.

[Maraneva]

@Pentagram_medallion Yep you have every right to comment just as I have every right to choose to eat meat as my main diet. Stand up for what is right? If you're defining eating meat as wrong, then I'd be a sinner.
Hmm... In that case, so be it😌

[Pentagram_medallion]

Then maybe you are a sinner if that's the case. OK also if that's the way you justify things what would you think if I said it's my choice to rape someone, my choice to murder someone, my choice to harass someone, my choice to mug someone, my choice to kidnap someone?

[Maraneva]

@Pentagram_medallion What you said now is how everyone justifies their actions at some point. If you say they're all your choice, then you don't need me to interfere and tell you it's wrong because everyone knows it's not only wrong but downright irrelevant to compare a choice of diet to criminal offenses. Oh well, no point explaining any more to you. You're a vegetarian. I'm a hardcore non-vegetarian. We'll go our separate ways from here. Adiós😊

[Pentagram_medallion]

Well murder is a crime. So murdering animals should also be a crime.

[AmazyingOnlyMe]

Well if you think about it!!! People long time ago 1,000000000 years ago eat meat. So I don't feel bad. Animals are good to eat

[Pentagram_medallion]

Because it happened many years ago how does that justify it? There are some weird cruel shit people did years ago that is now illegal so just because it happened years ago doesn't make it moral

[AmazyingOnlyMe]

@Pentagram_medallion lol 😂 chill!!! Food is food for me!!! I love chicken 🐔 cows 🐮 shrimp fish you name it!!! People eat it to stay alive in my book! So no need to be all grumpy 😡 or getting offended!!! What you think might be right for you. But everyone thinks differently so you need to understand and respect lol 😂

[Pentagram_medallion]

I'm not offended just trying to speak up for those who can't because people are so ignorant they ignore their cries. How can you look at an animal begging for its life and call it food?

[A-man-22]

Nope, I understand the cycle of life.

Humans/Predators eat animals, when we die plants eat us and then animals eat those plants.

It's something that will continue to happen even if humans are long gone.

[naijagurl]

This may sound bad but honestly I don’t feel bad at all.

[boombapbasterd]

If meat food taste good, and I feel bad for feeling good, well that would be a tough life wouldn't it

[Pentagram_medallion]

You can feel good on a plant based diet too and nobody has to suffer. Everyone can then feel good it's a win win. Its not a tough life for you. They have the real tough lives. They're the real victims here. Right now there are so many alternatives and mock meats that are realistic as hell and taste great so you should try that

[Agape93]

Not at all. There time of any suffering is long since past, and weeping over my foods past life benefits nobody and nothing.

[Pentagram_medallion]

There doesn't have to be suffering. If you switch to a plant based diet there are plenty benefits : nobody has to die, it's better for the environment and could reverse climate change, its better for your health, we could feed those starving in poor countries...

[Agape93]

Except there’s also downsides to it that vegans decide to ignore and dismiss.
Plus at the very least, meat I find delicious.

[Pentagram_medallion]

An animals life is worth so much more than your taste buds its just selfish tbh

[Agape93]

Not to me it isn’t. To me, survival and enjoying my life is more important. If that means buying beef from the grocer, or butchering my own deer for the winter, I will do so. You can call it selfish all you like, that doesn’t bother me.

[Pentagram_medallion]

U don't need meat to survive. I haven't died yet unfortunately. Taking an animal's life unnecessarily is selfish. How can you enjoy life knowing you are inflicting pain on others?

[Agape93]

You actually do. Especially up north, where I live.
Unnecessarily? It’s kept me alive before.
I don’t inflict pain hon. It’s either bought from the store already long dead, or i shot it through the heart or head. You can call it selfish all you like, it doesn’t concern me.

[Pentagram_medallion]

By paying the meat industry you're paying someone to harm them so it doesn't matter if you do it urself or get someone to do it it's just as bad either way. Yea it might have u alive now but it's not necessary to keep u alive when there's so much more options and alternatives

[Agape93]

Fair enough. I should just gather it myself then, would that be better of the two?
Why should I pay more for alternatives I don’t want?

[CapnHawk]

No, never give it a thought. Pass the steak sauce, please.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Why don't you think about it?

[CapnHawk]

@Pentagram_medallion I'm hungry.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Then eat a vegetable it will do u good

[CapnHawk]

@Pentagram_medallion Too healthy.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Enjoy the hospital so

[CapnHawk]

@Pentagram_medallion Ya gotta die from something. Might as well enjoy it while you're here.

[5_AM_Oracle]

I do not feel bad, I make sure it didn't go in vain and I'll finish my plate.

[Pentagram_medallion]

It doesn't have to be on your plate if you stop paying for it no one has to die as the demand will decline and less animals will be slaughtered.

[5_AM_Oracle]

@Pentagram_medallion This question was focussed on the animals I do eat so those animals usually end on my plate. Nothing will go to waste..

Plants also live, plants also get slaughtered, plants also feel... If we would want nothing to suffer, we should Only Eat Fruits.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Those animals end up on your plate because you pay for it to end up on your plate. Also if you had to chose between cutting a carrot and cutting an animals throat, who do you think will suffer more?

[5_AM_Oracle]

@Pentagram_medallion yes, exactly. And because I pay for it I make sure I finish it <3

I think choosing between what suffers more to have the other one killed and be okay with it, is wrong.

That way of thinking is the same with how the animal in question looks. If someone was to let say shoot a bunny on the spot. A lot of people would be shocked, me included. But if someone would step on a cockroach, a lot of people wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

In this case it wouldn't be 'who suffers more?' but 'what creature is cuter?' which is also wrong but the same way... Choosing on what suffers more... what looks the cutest... leaving the other side at an unfair disadvantage is wrong to me.

I say that if you really cherish life, you eat fruit and fruit alone because it is simply not alive.

[Pentagram_medallion]

I do cherish life and that is why I treat all animals equal. I'm not perfect but I try and be as kind and treat every single species with respect. I absolutely hate bugs and stuff I'm so terrified of them. I used to step on them but now I don't I choose to leave them alone stay away and let them live. This whole who is cuter thing shouldn't be an excuse. You should at least try going vegan and leave the animals off your plate

[5_AM_Oracle]

@Pentagram_medallion And what about the plants?

[Pentagram_medallion]

You can't compare a sentient being to a plant. Stop pretending to care about the wellbeing of plants to try justify slaughtering animals

[5_AM_Oracle]

@Pentagram_medallion I'm not justifying animal slaughter. I just don't see why people ignore plants well being and go all out for animals. In my eyes it's just as bad.

[Pentagram_medallion]

How is it just as bad tho?

[5_AM_Oracle]

@Pentagram_medallion I find it wrong to ignore one group, be okay with the plants being slaughtered because you prefer to protect the other. You call us meat eaters. I see your group as plant eaters and nothing more.

[G_oogle_Y_i_ndians_r]

You bitch!

[5_AM_Oracle]

@G_oogle_Y_i_ndians_r Manners, please :/

[Jackp0t777]

I feel bad for the ones I see in the field that they will slaughter but I am not gonna stop eating meat because I can't save them so it won't help anyway

[SkipStop]

No. I never even think about that. It's like regular food to me. Like picking an apple.

[Anonymous]

nope.
But I am very careful about where I get my meat from and I love eating stuff that I've killed myself like deer or fish because I know it was treated properly.

[NightFlirt]

Nope, Bambi died to keep me alive and I doubt any prey animal hates it's predators.

[Passinggas]

What about the plants? They have recently determined that trees send chemical warning messages of a threat to surrounding trees.

[ImJustCurious13]

Not really because it's natural, but I do get disgusted with some of the shit people do in factory farming.

[Zorax]

I'm not a meat eater, I'm a vegetarian, and that's one of the main reasons why I stopped eating meat... I felt bad for the animals who were killed.

[KaitieSearching]

Yes, not because they’re dead: because of modern farming practices.

[ArchersArrow]

Did you ever sea a man who felt bad for eating pussy?

[Pentagram_medallion]

That's not the same thing. You can't compare eating pussy while that person enjoys it and doesn't have to suffer or die to slaughtering an animal who doesn't want to die that is sentient, feels pain and has emotions?

[ArchersArrow]

Why don’t you blame fox when they eat chicken? Or wolf when they eat cows or sheeps? There’s a food chain in this world and humans are on top of it, you’re not the one who created the system so you don’t interfete in it

[Pentagram_medallion]

It's sheep not sheep's. They're acc carnivores. We are not. If we're at the top of the food chain why do we buy it in stores, packaged, prepared for us?

[ArchersArrow]

Oh no , I’m not going to go into that you need to have a look at the world you’re living in

[Lauren-green]

I feel bad because I use to be pescetarian. But now I'm not and I feel pretty guilty about it

[Pentagram_medallion]

You should make the switch again 🙏 right now there are plenty alternatives so you wouldn't miss out on anything. There are so much mock meats and mock fish, plant based pizzas, burgers, chocolate, sweets, crisps, biscuits, anything you can think of. Nobody has to suffer and it tastes amazing!

[Lauren-green]

I don't like mock meats and fish, I prefer tofu. But I have been thinking of making the change back again, I had a much healthier diet back then because I couldn't eat things like cheeseburgers and stuff too.

[Pentagram_medallion]

You could make a tofu burger. There are also plant based cheese. You should go back if it benefits your health, also it would help the environment and the animals :)

[PerryDaBud]

Pfft of course not, animals were born to be eaten, just like we humans, when we die, insects eat our flesh, so I guess that's even, we eat animals, animals eat us, boom, equality.

[Pentagram_medallion]

I see where you're coming from but we aren't slaughtered cruelly and we have our rights to live so if you want equality you should look at it like the animals have a right to live but we're taking that right away from them so it's not really equal is it?

[PerryDaBud]

@Pentagram_medallion Wow your answer is pretty deep! I'm not sure how to answer it but it really makes sense! Man... I don't even know what is right or wrong anymore!

[Pentagram_medallion]

If you wanna know more you can follow joey carbstrong and earthling Ed on YouTube and Instagram. You can also follow my ig acc if u want too @veganwxnker. You can decide for yourself then 🙂

[PerryDaBud]

@Pentagram_medallion Thank you for your response :D

[Pentagram_medallion]

No worries 😊

[bangyourhead]

Do I want the animals I eat to be treated humanely - absolutely. Is there any feasible way for me to know whether they are or not, likely not. So I’ll eat meat.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Ask yourself is there a humane way to kill someone who doesn't want to die?

[bangyourhead]

@Pentagram_medallion Yes there is. As quickly and painlessly as possible.

[Pentagram_medallion]

That's not humane if the animal wants to live

[bangyourhead]

@Pentagram_medallion I don’t know what to tell you. Circle of life. Things have to die so other things can live.

[dexter234]

Yeah I hold 2mins of silence for them after I eat lol

[JimboGB]

😄 I like it. Very respectful.

[victordave]

Appreciate your concern.

[dexter234]

Yeah you gotta pay respect to the dead
XD

[Sevenpointfive]

every single bite. i'm really a noodles and beans type of guy.

[blondfrog]

Yeah when I see them butchered that's enough to get me to stop. That's why I stopped eating goats and sheeps.

[WickedWill]

No, I sometimes wonder if the people who dont eat meat because of their love for animals ever feel bad for eating these same animals food.

[tallknight]

I grew up on a ranch and we slaughtered our livestock and grew vegetables. So no. It's a part of circle of life.

[TheFlak38]

No. Would an animal feel bad for me if it killed me? Do predators feel bad for their victims when they eat them?

[TheKack]

No, I don't. I love animals, but I also differentiate between pets, wild animals and food, even though lines can get blurry.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Why do you differentiate between pets and other animals? Ask yourself what's the difference? Do you think it is right to love a dog and kill a fox, even though they are both from the canine species?

[TheKack]

Because pets are raised for pleasure and livestock are raised for food. As I said, I love animals. But they are raised for different purposes. I don't hold it against other cultures that raise Canis familiaris for food. I have an issue with the killing of animals for no purpose.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Do you really think that animals are here for us and not with us? You said pets are for pleasure which makes them seem like they have no rights and are slaves for us. I don't mind pets as long as they are treated with love and respect. Also if you're to get a pet you should get them from shelters and not from pet stores but back to killing animals for food do you find it necessary especially when we have so many alternatives right now? No one has to die and everyone can live

[TheKack]

Animals are not humans. They deserve to be treated with love and respect, but they are not humans. I get my animals from sources I trust to have taken care of them prior to my purchase.

As for killing them for food; yes, I believe that we, as omnivorous beings, need some animal protein to be healthy. I've yet to see a vegan, or even most vegetarians, that don't require supplements in order to sustain their health.

Domesticated animals, as harsh as this will surely sound, only have one purpose, and that is to do the jobs that humans bred them for. Cattle are not a natural species, horses are not a natural species, dogs, cats, pigs, sheep, goats, chickens, and many others are the product of selective breeding for desired traits. Those traits were bred into them to do certain jobs that we, as bipedal, omnivorous, beings, generally suck at.

[TheKack]

As for your last statement, it is patently false. Say, for example, we all stopped eating meat tomorrow. We would have to instantly shut down our slaughterhouses, millions of ranchers would be out of work, and all of the meat on the shelves, in freezers, and waiting to be packaged would go bad. Additionally, the livestock is not going to stop breeding. If anything, the will be more prolific as their numbers increase and in a few years, we would be overrun. Also, you have to consider the workers. That's tens of millions of jobs that are gone, homelessness, poverty, and general unemployment would skyrocket. Finally, with all of the abandoned ranches, millions of animals would starve, or turn feral. So, in the end, instead of us eating the animals and using their nutrients to survive, we have an increase in feral populations of animals that outcompete native species, we have feral populations of cats and dogs because, I forgot to mention that without slaughtering animals, they will die or have to be set loose. We will have an economic crisis the world will not be able to recover from. And we would see massive increases in methane in the atmosphere because of the proliferation of feral animals and the decomposing bodies of those that could not survive in this new reality.

[TheKack]

And for the record, I'm aware of the issues we face with them as well. I also know, in detail, from firsthand experience, what it is like to butcher animals. I don't take all of this for granted, and I don't take any if it lightly. But when compared to other options, it is the most viable that we currently have.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Humans and animals both fall into the category animalia. There are very few difference between us in which we all feel pain and emotions etc. Their lives matter and also you don't need animal protein to be healthy. Plant protein is actually healthier. I'm vegan and I'm the healthiest I've ever been. I don't take supplements and I'm not deficient in anything :) do you think selective breeding and using and abusing animals is moral?

[Pentagram_medallion]

We can create jobs that help out with plant based stuff like growing crops, open animal sanctuaries etc etc. The animal population wouldn't be overrun because they won't reproduce as rapidly as we make them reproduce. It's our fault we mass breed them. As for the feral dogs and cats it's because peoe buy from pet stores without thinking, decide they don't want them also if you want a pet you should buy from shelters.

[TheKack]

If you don't need supplements, that's great, I wish you the best. However, calcium, B12, iron, and others are problematic to come by without animal protein.

I agree that their lives matter, but so do ours. We have yet to see longterm success without additional supplements. If you manage, that's fantastic, and it gives me something to think about in 10 years or so.

I do believe that breeding animals, especially domesticated animals is acceptable. As I said, I've butchered animals, I understand the process and the complications with it. I am aware of the issues, and I still choose meat.

The animals would be as prolific as they are now. That is a trait that has been bred for. It gave us the ability to have a protein source quickly. Even if they reduce by half, you're still in the same situation. There wouldn't be enough funding for sanctuaries and farming requires far less labor than does ranching.

I agree feral dogs and cats now are because of crappy people, but without animal protein our carnivorous pets would die. So we are left in the same situation with more feral animals, or continuing slaughter.

I'm all for people reducing their meat intake, that's great. But it's not for me.

[TheKack]

Also, I was at my healthiest when I ate 40% meat and 60% vegetables because I was able to eliminate carbs and lose weight. This is not to say vegans are unhealthy just that there are other options to reaching optimal health as well.

[Pentagram_medallion]

It really is so easy to get protein and b12 on a vegan diet. Anyone can do it. Some people just lack education. As you said animal and human lives both matter but that doesn't mean someone has to die. We can eat plant based and get all nutrients no problem but an animal only has one chance to live and we're taking that away and it's unnecessary. As for pets, cats usually have no issue getting their meat on their own. As for dogs I agree that they are carnivores but did you know that the oldest dog to live is vegan?

[TheKack]

I'd have to look into that. Again, it's not for me. But I'm glad you're happy being a vegan.

[xkildy]

If we eat to live no. But those people that kill for fun and not for food need to be hunted them selves and roasted

[Cuppo_Mode]

... I mean their dead, they happy Bois in heaven so yeah.

[Pentagram_medallion]

Are they though? They had an opportunity and a right to live their lives yet we take that from them?

[Cuppo_Mode]

Well, I don't really care for a random dead person who I don't know, so I'm gonna treat other animals the same, unless it's a dying species then that's bad

[Pentagram_medallion]

Well yea not many people are going to care for a random dead person I'll admit that but don't you feel bad that you're paying someone to kill hundreds of animals a year just for you, not to mention the other millions of animals killed for everyone else? They suffer such cruel lives, are raped, bullied, tortured, separated from their loved ones and at the end of their short cruel lives they are sent to slaughter, crying and trying to flee, pleading for their lives. They have a right to live but we take it away because we pay for it

[Cuppo_Mode]

I'm not paying them, I'm paying for the food

[Pentagram_medallion]

By paying for "food" you are paying for an animal to be killed if you see an animal as food. If you want food where nobody has to die you should try mock meat instead it's a win win because then nobody dies and you still get food.

[Cuppo_Mode]

I'm not paying for it to be killed, it's already dead

[Cuppo_Mode]

If we didn't have farms it would just take longer to actually get any meat so yeah

[Pentagram_medallion]

It's all about supply and demand. It's not just a matter of its already dead. When you pay for meat the demand rises so more animals will be slaughtered to supply the demand. If you stop paying for meat the demand will fall so less animals will be slaughtered because the demand won't be as high.

[Cuppo_Mode]

Yeh ok, but the problem is I like meat

[Pentagram_medallion]

If you like meat try a meat alternative. There are plenty of options, taste great, no one has to die. There are some that are so realistic I've actually spat out and double triple quadruple checked the package to make sure no animals are involved, which were all vegan

[Cuppo_Mode]

I could butttt... I prefer normal meat

[Cuppo_Mode]

Nice and tasty

[Pentagram_medallion]

Mock meat is also nice and tasty

[Cuppo_Mode]

Im not eating tofurkey, it can go tofurk itself

[Cuppo_Mode]

Yeet

[Pentagram_medallion]

Never told u to eat tofurkey. If you don't want that tho there are plenty more brands

[Cuppo_Mode]

Oooh, i know, Tesco's

[Cuppo_Mode]

by the way i not to be racist but I like McDonald's

[G_oogle_Y_i_ndians_r]

You bitch!

[Cuppo_Mode]

Jeez

[Cuppo_Mode]

I'm sorry I don't go to Wendy's, we don't have a Wendy's here

[Pentagram_medallion]

Did I mention tescos? No. Jeez someone's presumptuous

[Pentagram_medallion]

Speaking of presumptuous we don't have a Wendy's here either. Also how is McDonald's racist?

[Cuppo_Mode]

It's a dumb internet joke

[Cuppo_Mode]

Also, not to be political but, what's a vegan?

[Only-true-blood]

Mmm... well I like to eat steak. It's my favorite. I like to eat it with my vegetables and orange juice

[birchbarkcanoe]

Not at all, I sometimes feel bad for the way that the animals are treated, but I also know a lot of people who raise animals and they are well taken care of

[thatJERKjimmy]

Yes. I could never kill an animal myself, but they're already dead and people aren't going to stop killing them no matter how many vegans there are in the world.

[Pentagram_medallion]

If you can't kill an animal yourself why are you paying people to do it for you? It does matter because when you pay these industries to kill an animal for you the demand rises. If you stop the demand will decline, meaning less animals will be slaughtered. Every person counts and if everyone had that attitude we wouldn't get anywhere.

[mermaidia_lol]

I have never felt shame when eating a chicken sandwich. I feel happy actually.

[weirdoweirdo]

No... Like I wouldn't expect a bear to feel bad for eating me so...