Do you think veganism is overreated and that vegans are trying to force it on others?

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GuyAnswersGirls123 · Accepted Answer

I don't think the general ethics associated are overrated. Seeking more humane treatment of animals is something I think any of us who care about animals can get behind.

Where I think it gets overrated are the claims with respect to health, science, and sustainability. That often veers towards propaganda, like claiming that humans are herbivores when we can't even digest cellulose and ignoring how we distinguished ourselves as a species by tools used for hunting and our mastery of fire. Or claiming that the strictest vegan diet is the healthiest by comparing it to SAD which is hardly a fair comparison.

One of the things that most upset me were these Blue Zone studies that claimed that Okinawans barely consumed animal products, including support from this vegan propagandist named Michael Greger who tried to justify this bogus claim by citing papers associated with the dietary trends from the WW2 era of severe famine and trying to encourage sweet potato consumption to his vegan fans because Japanese and Okinawans were largely forced to consume sweet potatoes just to avoid complete starvation.

>> From 1944 on, even in the countryside, the athletic grounds of local schools were converted into sweet potato fields. And we ate every part of the sweet potato plant, from the leaf to the tip of the root. For protein, we ate beetles, beetle larvae, and other insects that we found at the roots of the plants we picked, which we roasted or mashed. Even in the countryside, food was scarce. -- Ayao Okumura

This was a period in which babies were dying left and right from malnutrition because their mothers' breast milk lacked proper nutrients. The actual reality is that Okinawans traditionally consume even more pork than Japanese and they're a major fishing culture. They are not even remotely close to being vegan traditionally.

I hope you'll forgive my ramble but I'm very allergic to propaganda and I think too many vegan sources undermine what might be a decent ethical cause by resorting to propaganda.

Kaneki05 · Accepted Answer

Well more it's hypocritical is the issue, a lot believe been vegan saves animals when that's not in touch with reality.
Whether your vegan or not that Mcdonalds is producing the same amount of meat, just now a lot gets wasted which means a lot more animals are just dying for no reason.

Now let's say for argument sake a mass percentage of people became vegan then sure it would effect it. Let's say 5% become vegan, okay now McDonalds is actively making less meat because the percentile is enough to change things with such confidence.
Oh but what happens to the animals that they no longer need due to cutting back? Do they go free into the wild to be "safe" nope they all get killed.

Did ya know alligators are only still around today because we farmed them, if we hadn't they would of been hunted to extinction.
What does one think will happen to cows if we don't farm them?

In this kind of idealistic mind of a vegan they've helped animals but in reality they've doom them or just had overall no impact. Yet they keep trying to pretend it's moral and better.
Also they do many more things that hurt animals they don't think nor care about.

BuffTaco · Accepted Answer

I don't think it's overrated but in my life almost everybody has treated it like a joke and that vegans are stupid weak crybabies. I don't see how it could be overrated when it got a rating of 0 stars. As for pushing it on people I've not experienced that either, but I only even knew 1 vegan, and that was only briefly because he literally could not afford proper food to stay on the diet. He does plan to get/make a farm once he saves up enough money but that won't be for a long time, so now he's just vegetarian.

PBandJ_Nerd · Accepted Answer

The ones who do try to force it on others yes, they are overrated. I'm fine with things like having vegan options on menus, wanting to treat animals better, etc. I'm not ok with things like where PETA wanted Oscar Mayers wienermobile to only sell veggie dogs.

jshm2 · Answer

Well.. the Nazi party proposed veganism before it was a thing, and they used that agenda to get into power. Only to then go onto more murderous things.

If you can read German I do advise people to go and look at the early NSDAP material before it went onto become the Nazi party. They were all about "animal rights" and such. These things tug at heart strings and even hardened criminals will vote if it means more care for their pets.

Not saying veganism is the fifth Reich. But it's dangerous to let something slip by all your political filters because you have a soft spot.

As for veganism as a lifestyle, it's bunk. There is NO evidence it is more healthy than any other. Animal rights are actually lead by meat eaters, not vegans, and there are actually more carnivore plant species in the world (around 630 species) than carnivore animal species (around 270 species). So even their "plant based diet" malarkey doesn't add up!

The so called "vegan diet" is so unnatural they have had to bring in a new category of food - the "ultra processed" - most of which is bad for your health.

Wwwyzzerdd · Answer

Overrated in the sense that it's got problems with health and evolution, we humans are omnivores and have evolved to eat both plants and animals. It takes a whole regime to even become close to nutritionally sound where the person isn't going to have a doctor's visit bc of a deficiency. Plenty of cases where mothers decided to adopt veganism and the children's health suffered bc the parents didn't follow a nutrition plan.

Ignorant in the sense that plants have been studied and found to have working nervous systems. Apparently carrots scream when pulled out of the ground. Plants have been observed to react to stimuli and exhibit feelings of pain. The salad the vegan is eating is screaming at them to stop but does the vegan care noooo they just keep eating oblivious to the suffering of the lifeform in front of them.

Many vegans even have their own gardens, a veritable generational prison system of vegetables. Plants born to raise fruit then discarded for the next incoming harvest to be planted, an assembly line of fruits being murdered for their sustenance.

Veganism has gone too far and must be stopped. Think of the fruits!

thegreenyogi · Answer

I guess it depends on what vegan person you refer to. I for my part choose not to be 100% vegan because I know my body and I feel that it needs a varied diet that may include eating certain foods that are not included in a vegan diet. And the reason for that is because I believe that supplements do not replace food and consequently they won't ever be able to give you all the goodness that the real thing can. And I do feel that some people may over charge the ideology behind veganism. Just because you don't eat plantbased doesn't mean you're not kind to the planet.

HighValue · Answer

One of my friends tried that and said how much energy he had after he didn't eat meat I told him that his body grew and was sustained by eating meat for over 40 years so a few weeks of not eating it isn't accurately reflecting how it would be to never eat meat. After a few months he started getting weaker and having less energy than before, which I have seen in all the people I knew in real life that tried that lifestyle. He went back to eating meat and is in better condition again now.

I wouldn't advise trying that lifestyle.

by the way, Arnold Schwarzenegger tried it before and claimed the same things as my friend did at first and had the same results of getting noticeably weaker over time and had to go back to eating meat too.

DextroShade · Answer

The truth is that unless you are a plant or some other sort of autotroph you have to kill other living things to live. If you are a vegan you are still responsible for the deaths of countless mice, rabbits, and other critters that die whenever a farmer plows his fields.

As for the environmental impact, I do believe that big agriculture should clean up its act and do things like control runoffs and other pollution but the idea that cow farts are destroying the Earth is stupid; do you think all the millions of bison that the cows replaced didn't fart?

Humans evolved as omnivores: we can't digest cellulose or lignin and most plant species are toxic and inedible to us. True herbivores usually have multi-chambered stomachs and spend nearly every waking second chewing. Eating meat gives us the nutritional density needed to spend our time doing other things like building civilization.

I despise vegans because they tend to be insufferable self-righteous assholes.

WindAtMyBack · Answer

It's vastly over rated. It's very difficult to eat properly on a vegan diet. I also suspect it would be even more difficult than it already is to feed an over populated world.

Yea, they try to force it on everyone else. Vegans strongly tend to be self righteous people who look down their noses at anyone who is not vegan.

Meat eating is built into the definition of human. The humans species would never have survived and flourished without eating meat.

I understand the concern for how animals are treated, but the problem is not with eating meat, it's because of over-population and the need to mass produce food. If the whole world tried to go vegan, it would probably be a major environmental disaster.

Drew-1990 · Answer

I'm not going to comment on the overrated part but I do believe more than half, definitely not all of them push it on others. Eat or don't eat what you want but don't judge others for not eating like you do. I get upset when I see videos like when a vegan man saw a fan fishing and threw the fish he caught and his fishing pull in the water

Massageman · Answer

It varies by the individual vegan.

I think the trend to veganism- per se- is more blather than fact. A human really does need some animal protein (and tertiary vitamins/minerals that are there as well). While it IS possible to get "complete protein" from a very finely managed non-meat diet, it's much more complicated to do things that way.

And who doesn't really like tearing into a nicely charred strip steak than a slab of tofu for a special dinner!!! C'mon - admit it.

HawkPerception · Answer

There are very few civilizations in history that were vegan. Humans have been eating meat for millennia. This vegan trend is as annoying as the LGBT trend. Let people eat what they want.

Also in terms of health, there are a lot of nutrients that are harder to incorporate into your diet if you don't eat meat, like protein, iron, vitamin B12, omega 3 fatty acids, zinc, and calcium.

Jessica405 · Answer

It isn't overrated for those that are vegan. No one I know tries to force it on others. I am not vegan, but I am vegetarian. I will not eat meat or meat products. I don't like milk, but occasionally have butter and cheese.

What other people do is up to them.

Phoenix98 · Answer

I don't think they're all like that I've known a few vegans who were pleasant people and didn't try to force it on anyone.

However there are a fair number of them that are borderline psychopathic and do try and force it on people and animals. Those people can go choke on a people bone.

BananaNanaa29 · Answer

Veganism changed my life. I have IBS and meat and dairy just weren’t working for me. I have SO much more energy going plant based, it’s unmatched. There are so many delicious recipes out there now that include meatless options. I’ve lost like 10 lbs on it already and feel excited to go out places more now.
I don’t force my diet on anyone, but it’s worked wonders for me so I attest to it 100%.

rosemilk · Answer

i'm vegetarian and never once have i ever cared what anyone else ate nor have i told them to go vegetarian. i mind my own business. in fact, most people care more about what i eat. they always bother me about it. it's pretty weird.

not all non-meat eaters are like what you described.

argot · Answer

Whenever I hear about vegans, the first thing that comes to mind is cannibalism... People that follow the left-hand path will be vegans publicly in daily life, and then eat corpses of humans as part of their religious rituals. So I try to stay away from people that virtue signal that they are vegans... To me it's a dead giveaway that they are into some dark shit and have been drawn into some gnostic satanic sect...

Apple1996 · Answer

I've never forced being vegan on anyone. It seems like meat eaters have guilt or some shit so they like going off on vegans. Makes them look like real idiots so I just laugh when they freak out about it 😂

JacobJordan · Answer

As in all things I have no problems with vegans until they try and shove there bs down my throat. I maintain the same approach to everything in life. You live your life they way you want and I won't judge. If you start trying to push your shit on my I am going to push back and that will be that. Vegans that keep trying to push it on others are annoying as hell and make me want to double up on burgers just to make up for them not eating one.

genericname85 · Answer

i even think veganism is dangerous. cause it is very difficult, maybe even impossible (nutritional science isn't that far yet) to get all the nutrition you need on a vegan diet.

plus if we did the proper farming methods, we could even reduce carbon emissions by binding carbon in plant growth fertilized by lifestock.

OlderAndWiser · Answer

IDGAF what any vegan beanies think. I will continue to feed my animal body what it is that my animal body needs.

Anonymous · Answer

Vegans are better than you and want to save you from the effects of bad karma by stopping you from earing other organism brutally by forcing you to be good. That is a good force, not bad force. A non vegetarian who is offended by a vegan or vegetarian is a bad person who is not having guilty of doing bad

Berethor · Answer

Don't you know that being vegan give you psychic powers? how can you not want that. :)

Sirenboobzilla · Answer

It's a choice that should be respected AND be respectful of others. I despise when someone tries to shame me for enjoying a steak... plants help filter out carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, you're eating my carbon filters... stop this immediately!

Anonymous · Answer

Vegans come over "holier than thou" but unless they are crowing their own Vege, they have a large problem due to the fact that if they are just supporting their veganism with vegetables from supermarket then they are supporting the killing animals and insects in the fields where those vegetables are grown.

Kylie_Bug · Answer

Never had anyone force it on me. I’m not a vegan by any means given the amount of pepperoni I’m expecting on my pizza tonight.

itsclearlynicholas · Answer

Yes. I can appreciate if someone's worked in a meatworks or meat factory or food processing. That's very eye opening 👀. However, I for one don't, and so I'm grateful to still deliciously eat what I like, meats, dairies, etc 👀🥛🥩

RefriedBeans · Answer

Since Bill Gates is wanting us to eat bugs, the whole vegan thing is looking pretty good.

Account · Answer

I am a vegetarian, but I am not forcing any of my shit on others, in the exact same way I wouldn't want others to force their shit on me.

Danny_dan92 · Answer

It’s literally another form of virtue signaling. Proof? Vegans love to say they’re vegan. It’s like they’re expecting a pat on the back

worldscolide · Answer

Yes to both. Veganism is like a penis, it's OK to be a vegan, and it's OK to be proud of it but it's not OK to go about waving it in everyone else's face.

normalice · Answer

No. I do think it odd how many extra animals they have to grind up to feed the plants vegans eat, though.

Finchie40 · Answer

They can try to force all they want , they aren’t changing my mind

noohair · Answer

Humans became human by eating animal protein. It is in our genetics. 100,000 years ago we has a different diet from today. No sugar daily like now and very few carbs and today most people are addicted to carbs.

andreasderjuengere · Answer

The one I know is quite moderate. He does mention his views sometimes, but so do I with other things.

jahaims · Answer

Veganism is for people that don't understand the food chain.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

Yes. Besides, those plants they eat are alive, too. Tests have shown that they have feelings, too.

imawfulatusernames · Answer

I’m not sure what you mean by overrated but I can honestly say as a vegan I have been more harassed and abused by people as a vegan than I ever was as a meat eater.

LiamJHayden · Answer

I have a friend who is a vegan because she has a hard time digesting meat and is lactose intolerant to boot. She doesn't care what other people eat.

CozyCoffin · Answer

A lot of people try to force their shit on others.

OtterMan68 · Answer

I don't think they are trying to force it on anyone. They don't have the politicla power to do it

LimitedBenefits101 · Answer

Both are cancer. I laugh at them and continue to eat and enjoy my meat😋

whistlingwh0res · Answer

I can't go vegan I don't eat much meat everyday but I like the broth. I can't get enough

Anonymous · Answer

Yes and often yes, it's a badge of honour from the indoctrinated liberals

exitseven · Answer

Yes, vegan is overrated. Hamburgers are not

Nikki1989 · Answer

No to both questions.

Astarlessnightsky · Answer

Nope and nope.

douride2 · Answer

Short answer is yes.

KrakenAttackin · Answer

Vegans are nuts.

BrookeS · Answer

Vegans are bad and it should not be a thing

Kelly6 · Answer

Let me bring my steak first. 🥩

DreamLife7 · Answer

Their life their choice focus on yourself

robocop666 · Answer

We need meat to survive

JayBones · Answer

Yes.

MysticDevice · Answer

Yes and yes.

Kykiono1 · Answer

Yes for sure

Anonymous · Answer

Yup.

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