The Sexy Feminist (Page 3)

[FirmSteam]

No such thing as a sexy feminist. Face reality sister. You might not like it... but its true.

[Ozanne]

Well, we'll disagree then, and if you read my article then thank you for taking the time to read it.

[genuinlysensitive]

Hate isn't sexy.

[phanindra554plus]

I don't labeled my self to anything but I like this take😊

[Ozanne]

Thank you :)

[Meow-Girl]

Beautiful Piece Ozanne, a true feminist you are!!:)

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Is there a summary statement? What exactly am I supposed to be taking away from this?

[Ozanne]

Just a note, that wasn't me who downvoted this. Take away what you wish, or don't take away what you don't wish. It's a myTake which means I am simply expressing my "take" on feminism. I wasn't here to write an article for Huff. It's just me, it's just GaG, but if someone can take something good from it, then I'm glad. :)

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Seems like you're trying to salvage feminism from being a dirty word. It seems so much easier and more sensible to just go with egalitarianism.

[hypno-trip]

Feminists are sexy! good MyTake Ozanne :)

[Ozanne]

Danke, mein Schatz :)

[9mfeo]

I respectfully disagree. If the only way I can be taken seriously as a feminist is to rely on my good looks instead of my words or character, I want no part of that feminism. Thanks but no thanks.

[Ozanne]

It's the whole package. I never once said that it was to be one way or the other. And "good looks" is also never mentioned in this myTake, but rather "beautiful", and my examples of beautiful as I mention, ranged from how you feel when you put on your make up and do your hair to simply wearing a smile and putting your A game on with your personality. I don't think being taken seriously as a woman has to just stop at your good character and intelligence. We have a lot more to offer. If the whole package is not important to you, then I accept that we can respectfully disagree also.

[9mfeo]

I value my character and personality far more than outer beauty, which is of course in the eye of the beholder.

[subzero007]

well said and specially the no 5

[Ozanne]

Thanks :) We aren't owed as human beings to simply get what we want. Men too. If there is entitlement because of gender then I'd rather have it explained to me. If my boss decides to pay a man more money than me for the same job for the same tenureship, I'd like it explained why he felt it's justified. If it's just because I'm not as good as a worker, I want to be given the information I need to know how to improve to get that same pay. However, if a job is meant for someone else and not for me, I question this, why someone, man or woman would be excluded, and how an opportunity could fairly be given to someone else.

Truthfully, if it's such a struggle, I don't like conflict in the workplace and constantly going to work to feel bad even if I am working on finding fairness. I usually quit jobs that dig in to me like this and work with people I like even if I have to sacrifice pay in order to be happy.

[Hannah591]

This is a great take! Thanks for writing it. :)

[Ozanne]

Thanks Hannah! Means a lot coming from you :)

[Hannah591]

Aw, thank-you. You'll take my crown soon enough!

[fauchelevent]

Good take :)

[Ozanne]

Thank you! :)

[SexyTexas]

"Be the example" ~ Most important aspect.

[Kiran04]

This is what feminists don't understand: Equality is something you do, not something you're entitled to.

If you can understand that, then you might like Christina Hoff Sommers and I might like you. If not, go burn with the rest of them.

[Ozanne]

With this logic, how do you explain the unwarranted entitlement men have had with extreme situations that left women prohibited from over centuries? If equality is something one does, then it gave people no right to persecute women who wanted the same opportunities that men did.

[Kiran04]

Because for centuries, keeping women protected and safe was more important than allowing them the same freedoms as men, because women are the limiting factor in any civilizations population growth or demise. One man can impregnate many women, but one woman can only get pregnant once. Thus, women's freedoms were limited in favor of safety and security. Why do you think men have always been the one dying in conflicts and wars for centuries while the women stay safe at home? Or doing any hard labor that brought risk to life and limb? Because they wanted to? No, it's because a population can survive a massive loss of male lives, but not the massive loss of female ones. Regardless of how you feel about previous societal gender norms, they obviously worked because they got us to where we are now. You should consider that next time you think about hopping back up on the soap box.

[Ozanne]

That's nice, now fast forward to modern times or even the last century or two when women weren't in caves anymore. The right to vote, the right to education, what possible way was learning about something or having a say in politics going to physically harm her? Women were not able to even work as school teachers until recent times - a career where they would be working with children, something in their biology would have otherwise seemed perfect if this was the case.

Now you have women prevented from getting abortions in some place in the world including some US states, expecting that there is more harm than good to put her body through hell in a pregnancy she doesn't want rather than a safe procedure in a clinic now. Abortion has come a long way, but the attitudes have not. Today, women work in office jobs and struggle for equal pay for doing the same job with the same credentials immediately starting at entry level positions before a man or woman can prove themselves.

[Kiran04]

Alright good, let's talk about things that matter instead of the past centuries (which you brought up btw). Oh wait, you stopped talking about modern times, because you had to go and say "Women were not able to even work as school teachers until recent times". Didn't you just want to talk about recent times? Make up your mind and stop loop-holing your own arguments in order to try to push your agenda. I'm not falling for it.

"Now you have women prevented from getting abortions in some place in the world including some US states..." It should be noted that in some of the states where women can't get access to late term abortions, the majority of women voted in favor of banning said abortions, so you can't call that oppression. "women work in office jobs and struggle for equal pay for doing the same job with the same credentials " Because those women choose to work less hours in less demanding positions in favor of flexibility and personal freedom. That pays less. Again, not oppression.

[Ozanne]

Nice attempt at twisting things around. You talk about caveman years, I fast forward ahead a few thousand years, then I talk about careers of today and abortion - both problems in modern times *now*. I'm not here to play games with you on how we're having a conversation other than the matter at hand, okay? And thanks for completely ignoring the issue about women in the workplace. I myself was victim of unfair pay in broadcasting. Two junior broadcasters, me and one male - both of us the same age, same experience, same school. He was paid more. I proved myself to be the better employee. This happens all the time in other careers. This is the sort of thing I support when women are not even given a fair shake at earning an equal living. Let's go back to abortion. Your red states that have the issues that women support are influenced by religion - something that is male dominated and has always controlled what women could and couldn't do. Fear of god will do this. :)

[Kiran04]

Yea, you brought up past centuries. Not me, I just followed the conversation. You twist yourself up.

And I didn't ignore women in the work place. I stated a fact. Women chose freedom and flexibility over higher paying positions with longer hours and less time to yourself more than men do. And as for you getting passed up for promotion to a man, I've been passed up for promotion to employees that most find far lesser qualifying than myself as well. Am I oppressed now? Can we use one instance to generalize everything? I don't doubt that some bosses and employers are sexist, but know that is ILLEGAL. You have legal re-courses should you choose to pursue them.

And don't call them my red states. I'm pro-choice, but many women are pro-life just like many men like me are pro-choice. What influences those women is irrelevant. They aren't robots. They can think for themselves. Stop acting like women are mindless slaves to men. You're the misogynist here.

[Kiran04]

Well, I can see you lied about a lot of things in this original post. "Don't be angry" Fail. "Don't badmouth men" Fail. I gave you a chance and you let me down. Just more of the same feminist regurgitated misinformed, misinterpreted, misrepresented, and outright fabricated propaganda that I can get out of any other radfem post on this website. I was wrong. You wouldn't like Christina Hoff Sommers, and I don't like you. Oh well, live and learn.

[Ozanne]

As everyone reading will be able to notice: I haven't gotten angry, and I haven't bad-mouthed men.

Your implication that I am angry or bad-mouthed men that means you're baiting me, and as I mentioned in my piece, I'll be ending our communication now as it takes away from the issues that matter. If you don't respond, then I'll thank you now for the input you did give.

[CorruptedDocument]

Not bad, but this seems too good to be true.

[Ozanne]

Thanks :)

[Nuqood]

The Sexy Feminist does not exist.

[genuinlysensitive]

Jate oant secy

[Nuqood]

I find the contrast of upvotes to downvotes hilarious. Sorry ladies, nobody with a backbone finds your hatemonger ideology attractive.

[plinkett]

Feminists are the greatest threat to humanity.

[Not_Helping]

How many of these have you written?

[Ozanne]

How many what? Mytakes? About 12 or so. This is the only one about feminism though.

[Alison_DiLaurentis]

Oh boy, Not getting into this one.

[DaddyRollingStone]

>feminist
>beautiful
Choose one, or neither.

[Ozanne]

Still choosing both. :)