Why Are Women So Fascinated With Losers?

[Anonymous]

This isn't a hate article; more importantly, this isn't a "men are better than women" article. I am writing this article, because I want to hear from women why they date the men that they do. I could have wrote a simple question... BUT I wouldn't be able to articulate all of my thoughts with such limited details. So, as you read this article, please do not get offended by what I am saying. I am just speaking my mind and looked for answers. Let's begin with the reason why I am writing this article.

Introduction

About a few years ago, I met this girl and she was really smart. She was working on a college education, getting her life together and was very intelligent. She was the type of woman that could have went places in life. The last time I saw that girl was a few years ago, and then we eventually lost contact.

Do you notice how I am using past tense? Well, I was watching the news recently, and I saw her on the news. I came to find out that her boyfriend murdered her. I was shocked and stunned because I recall talking to that same girl a few years back... and now she is gone. I did some more research on the case and I got a good look at guy she was dating. Here is a basic description of him:

-Tatted up and had some face tattoos

-Big Clothing

-Criminal Record

-No real job

I've been thinking about this for a while... and it doesn't make much sense to me. Obviously... this is a sad case; however, thinking about life, I always see women dating loser men. This is what I would like to discuss in this "myTake".

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Qualities of a "Less Than Reputable Men"

Before I share my opinion, let me tell you another story. I recently went on a date with a girl. Conversation was good, she had a great personality, she was confident, wanted to do well in life and she seemed like the whole package. HOWEVER, towards the end of our date, she dropped a bomb on me. Here is exactly what she told me:

-She had a 7 month boy (doesn't sound too bad)

-The baby's father is still in his life (at least he is helping out, right?)

-The baby's father doesn't work (bad)

-The baby's father doesn't have a car (bad)

-The baby's father only source of income is the drugs he sells (extremely bad)

-The baby's father, this girl's ex, only got her pregnant because he wanted to "keep is legacy going". Once he got her pregnant, he left her and got a few more women pregnant (extremely bad).

-He has 4 other kids and 4 other baby mamas (wow...)

-He has no real job training, no college education and has been in and out of jail (extremely bad)

She told me that she has been dating this guy on and off for the past 8 years. She told me that when she goes out with new guys, he gets jealous and "claims" he wants her back... BUT he has other women on the side. So, he "traps" these women by getting them pregnant and that is his way of having a lot of women in his life and always keeping them around.

Do you see the traits this guy has? Do you think he is a "winner"? I often see women hanging off the arms of men like this. They act like a guy like this is a "real man". He is a "real man", because he is edgy, does whatever the f*ck he wants and other women want to be around him and are always trying to get his attention.

Fun Fact - I've seen a lot of "losers" in my life. The funny thing about men like this, is that they always have a "supply of women". I always see men like this with beautiful women or women who are vying for their attention. WHY?! What makes these men worthy of your time and energy?

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Qualities of "Reputable Men"

Before I share my opinion, here is another story for you.

I have a friend, and he is now a lawyer for a law firm. He is a very successful and driven dude and has all the potential in the world. He is very well traveled, did some time in the military, is educated, well mannered, articulate, well dressed, charming, very respectable and has a great job. Obviously, when describing a guy like this, you would think that women would be all over him. WRONG.

I was eating lunch with him one day, and he told me how women are never interested in him and how he has been single for a couple years. He could talk to a girl about a variety of topics, tell the girl about his travels, really try to get to know the girl... but the girl would either show lack of interest, tell him there was no connection or they ghost him after the date.

Do you see the traits this guy has? Do you think he is a "winner"? I often see women ignoring this type of men or they make him work harder than the "less than reputable men" and they don't seek the attention of this kind of man.

Fun Fact - All of my friends, the people I hang around, are winners. They are the type of men who went to school, have careers, are successful and are looking for a good woman to spend their life with and start a family with. However... women seem to ignore these type of guys. The call these type of men boring and then they ask, "Why is this guy single? He seems like such a good man". I see this far too often.

Conclusion:

When I look at society, it's full of single moms these days. Society is also full of kids with no manners and who grow up to be future criminals. Do you know why so many kids have issues today and why so many kids turn to crime? It's because it's in their DNA.

I always see women having children with "losers" as with the story I mentioned above and then the cycle continues. The reason why society is so messed up is because women keep having "relations" with these kind of men and bringing up a child in that kind of drama.

Actually... I saw this video online. Go to the one minute mark and watch all the way to 2:08.

So... what fascinates you ladies about loser men?

[redeyemindtricks]

Think of all the women who surround you. Now, imagine you get to fuck one of them, no strings attached, as much as you want for a week or two.

Pick one. Who would it be?

... I bet it sure as hell isn't the one who'd make the best "wife material". Heeellllll no.

If you could rank all of those women in order of wife-material, I'd bet good money that the one you picked is in the bottom half.
Isn't she.

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Consider the above. We're all human. Our sexual desires aren't always -- or even usually -- in line with our higher motives.

Now, think about what you are probably missing here, which is that women are living, breathing human beings, too -- with sexual desires that are just as dirty, nasty, and imperfect as yours. If not more so.

Women are not prizes awarded to men who tick off the right boxes in terms of jobs, income, lack of criminal records, and so on.
We have... our own desires. Our own lusts. We WANT.

And some women want what they want... so badly that they let it fuck up their lives.

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How much have you ever stopped to think about... what makes women wet?
What makes us WANT... to FUCK?

It sure as hell isn't "stability", I'll tell you that much.

[Djaaaaay]

Well... for the first time... I disagreed with you because the men you're mentioning are still the thug type guys and young. Us mature (STABLE ) men will (never ) even want a woman at that lower level EVER. And by the way... with my status I could get the best pick of the litter anywhere anytime any girl I may be interested in... just saying 😊

[Mrwoo99]

@Djaaaaay you mean women want you for only your money

[JohnDoe3000]

@redeyemindtricks

I hate to disagree with you of all people, but I have to point out that actually most guys (the virgin hunters are the exceptions) do sort of prefer to fuck "wife material" women, we just happen to lower our standards for casual sex because otherwise most of us wouldn't get casual sex, ever... Most guys certainly wouldn't have a kid and an 8-year on-off relationship with some trashy good-for-nothing skank like OP describes (but gender-swapped). But of course some men would, and do, just like some women are self-destructive/stupid enough to go for thugs.

But yeah, I agree stability isn't an aphrodisiac, still neither is being a thug/skank, at least to a healthy person, especially if, as the OP describes they aren't particularly charming, funny, or even good-looking. These guys aren't even regular charming bad boys. I think it's a dominance thing for these women who have self-esteem problems among other mental issues.

[redeyemindtricks]

@JohnDoe3000 Remember, "who are ya gna fuck?" is a multiple-choice test. It's not the build-a-fuck-buddy workshop.

Try to put yrself in the place of a woman who's looking for sexually charged THRILLS. Really... try.
Consider the actual options (= men surrounding her).
You should find this exercise illuminating.

[JesseBrooks]

OMG, sooo predictable. Yeah it is your choice who you fuck. Like I've said before, Im sure you'll be just fine when they're through using you. Enjoy the thug life, but dont expect sympathy for whats gonna happen to you. ;)

[redeyemindtricks]

@JesseBrooks Women can use and discard men, too.

The cases described in this take are ones where that plan happened to fail, sure.
... But, sometimes *we* just want to fuck something and throw it away, too. That's not just a boy thing.

[JesseBrooks]

LOL, for real. For those of us who despise both parties, the ones who use eachother and throw away as you say, have fun. Both parties involved in that disturbing cycle you describe are meant for eachother. I personally can't imagine using another human as a dispensable fuck toy. Karma is a a silent freight train. won't even hear it til its too late. But enjoy yourselves, it sounds like you do anyhow

[JohnDoe3000]

@redeyemindtricks

I already told you what I would choose, and I think most men would choose. Now women are different and I can see them falling for a suave, good-looking James Bond-like bad boy, but to stick around with him, or worse, to fuck, let alone stick around with, and have a kid with, a thug who's not suave, not charming, not even good-looking... that just signals "crazy chick" to me, as in mentally unstable and damaged and not worth touching with a sterilized 10 foot pole.

[redeyemindtricks]

@JohnDoe3000 🙄 right, most guys masturbate to thoughts of good wives. What was I thinking.

[JohnDoe3000]

@redeyemindtricks

If we could we would marry the ones we masturbate to...

[Djaaaaay]

@Mrwoo99 No... I don't mean that at all. !! Although met many of those in the last 40 years tho.

[Unit1]

"How much have you ever stopped to think about... what makes women wet?
What makes us WANT... to FUCK?"

50 Shades of Grey is proving quite something. Many women enjoy reading it and become horny over Mr. Grey. The only reason why it's so popular is because it is implied, that he is a billionaire in control, a typical "alpa" (misspelled on purpose) male stereotype, and very dominating. And hell of a lot stalking too. If he was not rich, then he would be considered a creep.

But the answer I believe to be true is, that every girl is different and not all women like 50 Shades. At least I hope so.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Unit1 Lol 50 shades

The primary audience for 50 shades, ironically, is middle-aged women who are still pretty timid about their sexual desires. (The average female reader of that book is about 45-50 years old.)

Like... Think about the kinds of older men who think Playboy is hardcore porn. Imagine how THOSE men would react to REAL porn (!).

The women who like 50 Shades are the female equivalent of those guys.
50 Shades is pretty tame, compared to a lot of the erotic romance that's out there -- and it's fake as fuck (... so much that I didn't even believe the author was actually a woman, at first!) -- but, anything too "real", or too emotionally fraught, would be TOO MUCH for those readers. In the same way hardcore porn would be too much for the 60-year-old men who like Playboy.

In other words... Lots of women yr age fantasize about things much, much deeper and darker than 50 Shades.
Some are vanilla all the way, of course... but, probably not too many. The difference is that

[redeyemindtricks]

women, unlike men, tend to realize that fantasies aren't necessarily things that we should always try to realize in real life.

Who knows man, you might have some deep dark stuff in yr own mind, too. Mb you're just afraid to find out.

[Unit1]

@redeyemindtricks
I see. I too have some dark kinks but none of them are even close to what 50 Shades is showing off. We guys get the impression, that we have to live up to Christian Grey in order to become irresistible or at least desirable to women and you know, that becoming him is nowhere realistically possible for 90% of all male populations. At the same time I realize, that certain guys are affected by porn (not including me) and set expectations to what real sex should be like.

For some reason this is where hypergamy kicks in.
Then again, this is fantasy.
I am NOT against fantasies or ideas. Quite the opposite actually since we humans can learn a lot alone from fantasies and ideas and it's aftermaths.

But personally I find 50 Shades to be quite disturbing and a darker-than-yellow flag. Subtly it summons insecurity in us.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Unit1 Most guys misunderstand "hypergamy", too. See my opinion here
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2180842-why-are-women-hypergamous

Lol "90%"
... implying that 10% of all guys could become young billionaires while still totally single. Hahahah.

[Unit1]

"hypergamy
hʌɪˈpəːɡəmi
noun
the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class."

Wait... did I live my life a lie o_o?

Well, 50 Shades actually demonstrates as an example of a working hypergamy situation minus the marriage part as a matter of fact. But it is for the goal for female sexual fantasies (for middle-aged women?).

Believe me when I say if we men could, we would all become rich and claim high status (and for some to get the hottest woman). But I think I don't have to explain how that requires tremendous amount of work, time and resources in order to achieve all that.

But like it requires it's effort for a woman to be the most beautiful woman, to me it seems, that acquiring a high position is harder than making yourself look beautiful. For a position you can not always have plausible chance. For becoming beautiful you buy make-up and work on yourself in front of a mirror for an hour or two. If you get the logic, that I am trying to make.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Unit1 Like I wrote:

(copy/pasted from the link)

Lots of women chase men with "status"... lots of other women don't. Whatevs dude.
In any case, yr complaint is basically frivolous -- if those women can GET those guys then good for them!, and, if they can't then they'll eventually adjust their standards and "settle". It's not like they're going to be still single and still wearing "Mrs. Bieber" T-shirts when they're my age, dude.

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^^ that

I mean.
EVERYONE is going to want the most desirable partner they can actually get (... whatever "desirable" means, to the particular person in question).
In this sense, EVERYONE is hypergamous -- including men, too.

From what I've seen, though, women don't have a ton of trouble accurately judging the kinds of men they can actually GET and KEEP.

[Unit1]

@redeyemindtricks
"From what I've seen, though, women don't have a ton of trouble accurately judging the kinds of men they can actually GET and KEEP. "

Funny because I keep seeing bitter men and women here, who say, that they are done with each another or staying in abusive relationships. But that's more like an internet-world issue than in the real world.

OK, I think I see some sense into it by now. Regardless - not getting into a relationship with a woman, who has high expectations equals to trouble avoided automatically. Got it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)-b

[Mrwoo99]

No what will happen is once they realize they are not wanted anymore by high status good looking men they usually settle for a nice guy as 2nd best when they hit the wall in their 30s. Me on the other hand and many red pill men/mgtow men won't settle for scraps or post wall sluts.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Mrwoo99 LOL

Dude
Priorities change on both sides.

How many 35-year-old, professionally successful men would want a hot, bimbo-ish party girl as their relationship partner? (not many)

How many of those same guys would have wanted that when they were 20? (Just about all of them, except the super-Christian ones)

You get the point.
It isn't just women who often start wanting different things after a certain age.

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Also, how tf does someone get as bitter as you by 24? Are you secretly like 55 and divorced? Smh

[flypaper]

Well said Redeye!

[redeyemindtricks]

@flypaper Thank you.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Most women today have no brains. The stupidity of people today, especially women, is so depressing that I just have to switch off and do my best to ignore it. We now live in a world where insanity has become normal. Everything is subverted. Up is called down, right is called wrong, truth is called a lie, good is called evil etc. Western women today are just bat shit crazy and are very dangerous. Act like a gentleman and women reject you. Act like a bad boy tosser and women will love you. Mad mad world.

[frozenhorizon]

whoa you're getting a little ahead of yourself maybe, it's not that bad

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@frozenhorizon It is indeed that bad.

[Fanteezy]

This is an exceedingly judgmental and misleading article and question. It's pretty racially prejudiced too.

People are attracted to "losers" as you called them, because of their own upbringing, issues, and lies they tell themselves. Everyone is desperate to feel connected, but also to do, be, and buy everything that TV has told us is important.

We often seek out significant others based on what our parents showed us, not necessarily taught us. We find the same flaws, anxieties, and pain irresistible when we see it in others. It feels familiar. It's home. These women you mentioned in your examples are only understood based on how you saw them. We don't know about their upbringing, or their trauma or even their self worth. All we know is that you judged their self worth based on what you decided was significant, with very little detail as to who these women are and where they come from or the type of pain they've endured in life.

That pain is significant, because trauma and anxiety makes us do all sorts of things that aren't in our best interest or look for love where there isn't any. BEcause there's plenty of those so called "Reputable men" that are engaged in all manner of evil, deplorable things. But since they're white guys in suits with "good jobs" and "degrees" who are "well dressed" and "charming" so it's assumed they aren't losers.

I understand that this is a short article used to frame your question, but the criteria used tot dictate who's a loser and who is reputable is pretty shallow and thin. It makes broad, sweeping generalizations about who is worthy and who isn't then frames that as if women are just choosing "losers" over these other guys.

Then you have the audacity to make a bunch of blanket statements about "society" and "kids today" as if we're under siege by roving packs of teenage gangs out to murder us all for drug money. And then you have the gaul to say some eugenics laden bullshit like crime is in people's DNA? Come on man. Even your pictures have criminals of color and every so called "reputable" person is white. You either did that on purpose because you're into eugenics and white supremacist rhetoric, or you didn't even realize you did it because its' baked in so far you don't even know it. I'm not sure which is worse.

The problem isn't the women. It's you. It's how you see women. it's how you understand success. It's how you interact and what you expect from people. It's your friends. It's your judgmental worldview

[Anonymous]

The most passionate relationships I have ever had all involved a healthy, even heavy dose of objectifying women. That objectification has made the woman wetter and happier, whatever intellectual opinions she has had about the matter. I am certain the same goes for you in your relationship history. The rosy, sanitized vision of romance women often claim they want, or say they want to confuse men, is nothing but a furphy. Accordingly, I will stop treating women like objects when they stop getting wet when I treat them like objects. Deal?
Of course, feminists are already hard at work trying to counter women’s natural inclinations. Appalled at the willingness of women to subject themselves to objectification porn like Fifty Shades of Grey, they are continuing to erect college regulations and even proper legislation to penalize the slightest form of male sexual activity. Has a woman voluntarily pulled down your pants and started giving you a blowjob? Hold on, soldier, that’s not nearly enough, especially for regular coitus. Where’s your notarized document, certified only after a five-hour cooling off period?
Inasmuch as many women having these beliefs foisted on them is outright brainwashing, not reversing deep-seated biological drives, for the present purposes I will pretend this constitutes women not getting wet when objectified. But what about all the other women?
Even as the SJWs march down on common sense again and again, the responses you get from women are invariably better when you demonstrate that they are, in large part, an object for you. By treating her as an object, you are saying that she is not unconditionally eternal in your life, nor are any feelings you have for her. If she misbehaves unacceptably, falls out of line beyond normal human foibles, or otherwise substantially disappoints you, you are very likely gone and she assumes a similar lack of relevance for you compared to before you knew each other. So why the hell should you stop doing this, if it works?
Some good, by no means exhaustive examples of how objectifying behavior can coincide with women getting sexually aroused or romantically attracted include:
Painful spanking of her buttocks. The pain itself is part and parcel of the arousal or attraction (but remember, it has a limit);
Calling her a slut, whore, bitch, piece of meat, or something analogous, including prior to and after sex.

[Opinion Owner]

Oftentimes saying it outside the bedroom illustrates the objectification point much better as many girls say practically anything during coitus;
Telling her to do something that she does not have to, especially immediately after she has already done something for you;
Depending on the girl: joking or talking far too much with other women. This is an acquired skill, particularly in paying just enough attention to your girl, but it is not simply a matter of inducing jealousy—it shows you have quickly seizable options should you and her part ways; and
Out of the blue sending her text messages or telling her point-blank in person the things you want, usually sex-related. As you do so, you make it clear that she is really only the vehicle for your gratification, not an equal participant in it.
Look at the examples in your own life
“I really, really don’t like this girl anymore,” I tell the woman behind the deli counter, whom I have never met before, in Czech. ..

[Opinion Owner]

I am pointing to the 25-year-old blonde girl next to me, whose face is now a beetroot red. It’s a joke, and all parties know it, but for Eastern Europe it’s moderately audacious. For good measure I add, “Do you have any meat made from gypsies? This one [again pointing to the blonde] hates paying half for sirloin steak.” My girl goes redder still.
This was just one of many examples on a recent jaunt I made to Prague. The girl in question, whom I will call Kristýna, learned almost every day that me objectifying her made her wet. When shopping for clothes, she would come out of the change room for my opinion. Instead of just looking, I would grab her ass to see if they fit, slapping her rear end afterwards for good measure. “Yeah, it fits,” I would say, but only after the slap.
“You treated me like a piece of meat today!” she stammered out that evening, disbelievingly, after the latest clothes shopping episode. Incidentally, this was just after we started making out on the bed.

[Opinion Owner]

The antics that followed afterwards, which I will let you imagine for yourself, should not surprise you, either. Quite frankly, there are clear rewards for “mistreating” women.
Having thought for most of my teens that the “nice guy” approach was the answer, with periods of asshole-ish in between, by the age of 18 and 19 I was changing. I came to learn that in most ways treating women heavily as objects at the beginning and even well into the relationship was not just a choice some people made but essential. In fact, it constitutes a very large segment of the only workable path to dealing with women romantically. This has all been confirmed to me ad nauseam by the women in my life, who have represented just shy of two dozen nationalities.
That said, being legitimately cocky and objectifying a woman is not a sure-proof way to get girls and arouse them. If you are morbidly obese and do not have some other redeeming quality, like a famous name or career, your chances using...

[Opinion Owner]

.. your chances using this approach are likely very, very limited. It is your job to use a holistic approach and see the objectification of women as causally necessary but not casually sufficient. There is a difference!
This is not a personal sanctioning to go out on some kind of ass-slapping free-for-all, especially on women you do not know or barely know. Likewise, if you go overboard on the objectification in particular circumstances, expect at least some (very) negative outcomes. Doing it excessively, sometimes even just moderately, in front of her friends is a no-go zone. In these sorts of cases, you are better off modulating your tone to something regularly dominating like, “I need to make a call, can you get some water?” and then working up from there to determine the appropriate limit. The same goes for her (or your) family..

[Opinion Owner]

sorts of cases, you are better off modulating your tone to something regularly dominating like, “I need to make a call, can you get some water?” and then working up from there to determine the appropriate limit. The same goes for her (or your) family. Importantly, when you overdo it, you look like you have no place doing it in the first place.
In my own life as well, I have a couple of men edge provocatively close to a sexual assault charge, one pretty much of their own making. Objectification, as you should already long know, only works when you either have attraction or can guarantee she will be attracted to you after the action you perform. Going in gung-ho and acting your way to such a result is a recipe for a lot of drama you could definitely do without.
Moreover, having the ability to objectify is not the only asset you need to have. As a relationship or fling progresses, you need both wits and emotional depth to manage a woman and her reactions.

[Opinion Owner]

A new friend of mine in Europe is hopelessly lost with girls. In trying to teach him how to speak with them, I approached random women at a beer garden. I jokingly asked one of them for her advice on him getting women. When she said “respect” as her first piece of “wisdom” and claimed that a lack of it from men was why she was single, I laughed out loud. I retorted: “If you really wanted respect, you would never be single… the world is full of nice guys.” After that, she could not say anything in reply, so she promptly changed the subject.
Like this girl at a bustling beer garden in Prague, women will say what they want to be the right answer or, sometimes even more commonly, what they think deep down is the right answer. It is almost always bullshit. It does not take a sexual Einstein to realize that almost every trend in the human world proves otherwise. If women did not respond positively to objectification based on natural inclinations, men would not engage in it.

[Opinion Owner]

And nice boys like my new, hopefully soon-to-be less clueless friend would finally have the girl they desired.

[Darkfairie17]

I like good men. The problem with your example is that this guy sounds super busy. I want a guy who is going to make time for me and our relationship. I know a guy who is a lawyer and he works long hours. Which is great for his career, but not so good for his relationship.

I think the real problem is not that women are picking these bad men for their qualities that are bad. Its' because a lot of these bad men have ways of manipulating women to get with them and stay. Like in your example, this guy would "trap" women by getting them pregnant. I've seen this all too often. A guy will get a woman pregnant to trap her. They can also trap them by marrying them or abusing them. It's all about control. I was in an abusive relationship, i know all about being controlled and manipulation.

My ex who was verbally and emotionally abusive was a great guy on the outside. He's very charismatic, he has many friends! The thing is, only a few people know about how he really is. That's because he has this charismatic side to hide it. He's incredibly likeable.

The problem is, people misrepresent themselves all the time. It's easy for people to dig their hooks into you, get you attached and then once you've invested time, they start being a crappy partner. I think this is where the problem lies.

It's not easy to leave someone, especially when you have a kid or are living together. Trust me! I'm not a mom, but I did live with my ex. It took a lot to leave safely. Most women want to be with the father of their kids. Because society still judges you much on those sorts of things. And that judgement and fear of doing it on your own is enough to make a person stay unfortunately.

It sounds simple, don't pick the bad ones. Don't stay with an abuser, don't stay if you are unhappy. But it's totally different from being in that situation and trying to dig your way out.

[myTake Owner]

Thanks for your insight.

[cth96190]

A man cannot be successful and have a lot of free time, especially when he is young and working to establish himself.
That is something that women generally do not understand.
In my field (journalism) the divorce rate among the men is close to 100 per cent.
Why?
Because the women sit at home and complain about being 'neglected', because their husband/boyfriend is working long and irregular hours. Not for a moment do they understand the reality that the house in which they are sitting and whining is made possible by those long and irregular hours.
Most women do not understand that success comes at the price of time.
Aside from a few men who have been fortunate enough to die, or commit suicide, before they have been arse raped by a divorce court, I have seen many colleagues destroyed by their 'neglected' wives who walked out and used the Family Court to steal everything.

[Darkfairie17]

@cth96190 I realize that work takes time. But you can't neglect your family. Maybe instead of buying a humongous house, live more modestly. That would give you less to have to pay for and more time with your family.

Now I know not everyone likes to live a modest life. But I've chosen a modest life for myself. I plan on buying a small home and growing my own vegetables and making a lot of my own things. That maybe sounds eccentric or crazy to some people. But I get joy from working on projects.

I feel like too many people get caught up with having things that they lose sight of what is really important now a days. Plus I work full-time too. I don't expect a guy to see me 24/7. But if a guy only has enough time to see me once every 3 months, then what's the point?

[cth96190]

When you do the numbers for even a modest home, you will find that one 'ordinary' income is not enough.
Here in Australia, a modest home begins at $350,000. An average home is in the $400,000 to $500,000 range.
That requires a deposit of $50,000 plus another $30,000 for taxes and legals.
At the current interest rate, the $500,000 home would require a weekly payment of $800, but interest rates are at historic lows, so it would be foolish in the extreme to budget for anything less than $1,000 per week.
On bank lending criteria, that would require the single, or couple, to have a weekly income of $3,000.

[IceCubedude]

i have noticed some women tend to do this as well, iam not generalising here but it seems like an American thing, it happens everyhwere thats for sure but in america its like a super big issue that needs to be fixed.

me personally when i was really nice and super friendly i would get no attention and i had women hurt me, then i changed i grew up and becamse hotter, grew a beard, got an edgy and cool hairtcut, changed my entire wardrobe and got a couple tattoes (not to impess girls i just like to have tattooes) and what do you know i get attention left and right , iam not as nice as before but still friendly and respectful , much more confidet and i dont give second chances or chase girls or seek their approval, if she hurts me she can go fk herself (no offense).

i look like an edgy guy who is dangerous and can do some shit even though iam not edgy at all and i follow the law and actualyl studying to get a degree, but they look at me and they like what they see, point is you are right, women go for manly men and usually such men are losers, but other times they are actually good men who happen to act in a manly matter.

[TheFlak38]

Because women are naive and weak personalities by nature. They fear social exculsion more than death and would do anything to avoid it, even staying with losers like the ones you mention. They can't help it. It is in their nature to do so. They always follow the mainstream and do what is considered trendy, cool and socially acceptable. In Cologne last January, after the major sexual assaults by Afroasians, they staretd an action and gave flowers to their own rapists.
I too know a girl who dates someone who may be succesful in life, but she constantly complains how she cannot imagine a life with him. Yet she stays with him because she's afraid of a single life. That guy by the way has mental problems since he was a child because his father (guess what) murdered his mother in law and (guess what) his wife (the guy's mother) stood with him and supported him in court. The murderer of course is an Arab muslim. And all this was just fine for his woman. The girl doesn't know anything of this and I bet even if she finds out, she will be terrified but stay with her boyfriend and her criminal father in law anyway.

[Anonymous]

I don't like "losers," in your terms described so far. Nothing fascinating about them at all. I don't like trouble makers. I'd break up with them as soon as possible, but I've never dated one before.

This is a good question, though.

These types of scoundrel guys who dated respectable women may have lured them into a relationship using charms at first such as acting very gracious and friendly. And once you have rose-tinted glasses, it's easy to overlook your partner's flaws, even when they begin to grow exponentially.

The women themselves might have been more "rough and tumble" at the time of dating these guys, then later cleaned up their act. I see this all the time.

Or maybe they found these types of guys attractive? I can't see the appeal at all, but I can't read other women's minds.

These men may have just been more easy to get into a relationship with. The women might be respectable, but have low self-worth.

As for your lawyer friend? Well, I can see this as going two ways. People tend to date in their own age/profession/interests bracket. Is he trying to date other women who are in a similar walk of life as him? Also, dating takes work from both sides. He may be putting so much energy into his job that he doesn't have enough time to date. Or it may not be that at all. It could be that he just hasn't found the right person yet. It happens to a lot of people. Being a well-dressed lawyer doesn't mean he's for everyone.

Hm, the video you provided was not a convincing bit of info for me since this man was flirting with two drunk women at a club and used it as evidence. Also, he seemed angry, so there was probably bias. Plus, I don't know why some women do the things they do. Some ladies are dumb, in my opinion.

[kellyg83]

you know what's funny about this is that there are guys who have almost the same double standard for women. they blow off the good girl because she's "boring" and won't give him the exciting sexual experience that a "slut" would. but when he reaches his 30's or 40's, and is ready to settle down, he crawls back to the good girl as a last resort because he doesn't want a "slut" raising his kids. but he still isn't satisfied and often times ends up cheating.

as far as this thing with bad boys and betas goes, there are some girls who have the same issue as the type of men mentioned above. it's like society has flipped around and now the women are doing exactly what those kinds of men do. or some of them have self esteem issues. it depends more on the person, but it really boils down to the same double standard.

[CancerianMan81]

having double standards is a fact of living cause if you're putting in a 100% in living then why settle for less

[JustabiLulluhi]

I'm a good girl as far as loyal, don't cheat, I'm a slut when when i t Comes to my x. But he's on some shit that has fucked his head up. n my heart. Started hurting me more physical and emotional. I found a scarf in his car n nail polish. Plus he casino junkie, and looses all the $. I don't know what to do with myself. I know I can do better.

[JesseBrooks]

Having dealt with this before, its hard to be their savior down the road after they kicked you to the curb years before. Im not MGTOW, but I won't be a womens knight in shining armor after getting shit on by them over some thug life playas, or 'losers' or whatever. We were the ones getting shit on for for trying to be hard working stand up guys, getting called the losers. Some of the womens comments depict it perfectly. THANK GOD not all women are into straight up pond scum like them. Yet I've seen very few of them which is a shame :(

[This_is_my_username]

If you're attracted to bad boys you probably are a bad girl or whatever the fuck they call themselves. I think they call themselves bad bitches. They attract people of this sort. And then it's like a tug of war. And in the end when you're old you've done nothing in your life. NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THIS! women like confident men yes. Just like men like confident women. These so called girls that go for men like this aren't confident in themselves therefore going after lowlife boys. There's also this rescue trait they have. Or this taming trait. this mentality of " I CAN TAME him" because for some unknown reason you're special which by the way you aren't. Which causes this whole scenario. Do me a favor instead of ranting about women like this.. when you see em. go the other way and look for matured women who are secure within themselves. THE END!

[cth96190]

Not all women were like that, you said.
I agree with you, but I would also say that most are like that.
That statement is based on what I have experienced and observed.
My best guess is that, until they are about 30 years old, about 80 per cent of women are like that.
Then, at age 30, they hit the wall. The bad boys stop calling and paying attention to them.
The women begin to re-evaluate their lives and, for the most part, realise that they have made some extraordinarily poor decisions, in terms of their choice of male company and for whom they have spread their legs.
At that point, she begins to be interested in the good men, the sort of men who were not 'exciting' enough for her when she was 20.
I watch this behaviour with a feeling of wonder, in the way that one might watch a serious car crash in slow motion.
They actually expect that the good men hung around waiting for her to be 'ready for a good man'.
What they are finding is that an increasing number have gone MGTOW.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

All women are different and not all of us like this kind of guy.

I've heard guys like this say that all women want is money and a rich man.

I think what it is, is that when a guy gets rejected, he immediatedly assumes women dont like him because he isn't x guy. everyone gets rejected sometimes. you dont think losers ever get turned down? losers and bums get rejected by women too. i would much rather date a successful guy with his life together vs a guy who i have to take care of. but not every body makes good choices all the time.

[soffffixaz]

Personally, not drawn to "losers" but I can see the appeal, they're more likely to be spontaneous and spend more time with you then a guy who works a 9-5 and wants you to make him spaghetti every day and then go to bed because he's tired. Some women prefer the fun, exciting type rather than the boring , reliable but nice type which is fair enough, everyone has their preferences.

Also it's unfair to call the "losers" losers because some of them do not get to chose the life they have and are born into a family who deal with drugs or rely on crime for income etc and the same goes for the women. Sometimes all they see is the people around them cheating, doing drugs, committing crimes so its normal for them. You can't put someone down for being a product of their environment.

[JesseBrooks]

I couldn't decide if you were being serious. So I just lol'd. Your 19, too so... yeah. Your stereotype of the working man, and justification of the playas was too funny. And yet disturbingly predictable. Have fun with those playas, Im sure they'll treat you great. And Im sure you'll be just fine when they're through using you :)

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks im guessing your a working man, who hurt you? lmfao "playas"

[JesseBrooks]

Exactly the response a 19 y/o would make. "playas", "thugs", "losers" whatever you wanna call em are the type of guy your obviously into. Go ahead IDGAF what you 'think' is gonna happen, because I already know. Your in for a treat :) And who knows, when your 30 something, you might even land a "Captain save a ho" to help you pick up the pieces of your miserable life. Call me butthurt all you want. A narcissistic woman, deserves an equally narcissistic man. Enjoy

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks a. my age has nothing to do with anything b. you are so fucking rude for a "mature man", verbally assaulting a random girl online, proper manly that. c. i didn't know you knew my future :o d. i have been in a relationship before so whats ur point and e. where an when i have i implied I'm narcissistic
e. fuck off

[soffffixaz]

*never been in a relationship

[JesseBrooks]

Oh my fucking god damm sonoafabitch you are a flaming narcissist. You hang yourself when you speak. Having been single my whole has given me a VERY accute outside perspective. Obviously you need to experience this shit on your own, so by all means live it. Im through wasting time on people like you. Only reason I kept replying at all was the fact you defend pond scum like the ones described in the post. Your life, your choice. You obviously think your smart AF, so it should be easy for you then. Good luck. Adios

[myTake Owner]

OP, you mentioned:
"Sometimes all they see is the people around them cheating, doing drugs, committing crimes so its normal for them. You can't put someone down for being a product of their environment."

Only weak people stay in the mud they were raised from. A strong individual would change their situation and work towards a better life. That is what separates a loser from a winner.

You also mentioned:
"Personally, not drawn to "losers" but I can see the appeal, they're more likely to be spontaneous and spend more time with you then a guy who works a 9-5 "

All the women I have been around who fuck around with the losers... the losers are never really around. They are either in jail, fucking other women on the side, or hanging with the homies.

[JesseBrooks]

Would like to apologize for my rudeness. Getting labelled as a fucking chud because I actually tried to achieve something with my life other than chase tail isn't something I take lightly. However, people DO have the right to live their lives as they see fit. But for the love of god, when and if you come to the conclusion that youve had all your fun and decide to come looking for us "chuds" I ask that you stay the FUCK away from us. You dug your grave, now lie in it.

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks GAG user 28 year old Jesse, insecure, lonely, bullies people on girlsaskguys. com, catch this block fucking twat

[soffffixaz]

OP you need to change the people, especially ladies you surround yourself with. no girls i know are like that. also you still aren't a "loser" if you are the product of your environment. its very easy to judge others when ur privileged

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks also my comment wasn't a personal attack on you so calm down, your insecurities are really showing :'( and my one answer on girlsaskguys. com is not going to determine my entire dating future so lmfao

[myTake Owner]

LOL... I am not privileged. I grew up in a bad environment XD! However, I was able to make changes in my own life and become a better person, got an education and a career.

[soffffixaz]

well that explains your bad company then!! and well done

[JesseBrooks]

LOL I bully people huh? Getting in someones face because they defend the worst men imaginable is being a bully is it? You defend men who ACTUALLY ARE bullys. I find it funny when the people who teat you like crap, get offended when you finally treat them like crap. Too good. I know its not a personal attack, but it might as well be. Then you proceed to spout some shit about my insecurity, add the remark to the Asker as well. And BOOM you've got just yet another problem the world doesn't already have enough of. You dont like it when the quiet ones bite back do you? The response you gave to the Asker was SUPERB, bravo young lady, bravo !

[spoonfulofapricot1]

I've heard a saying, 'It's not your fault being born poor but is when you die poor'

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks no you bully because because you came for my personal life and assumed my life is gonna turn to shit because i defended some ""playas"" on girlsaskguys. com. IDM the "ones who bite back" i just think you're a waste of skin who can't nicely disagree and takes things too personally

[JesseBrooks]

No I see a perfectly good waste of a woman. Same shit my sisters did when they were your age. Thank God they weren't as bad as you, I couldn't live with myself knowing I failed them like that. I was their big brother, it was my fucking job. You can call me whatever you like, waste of skin was classy by the way ;) I honestly don't think you have any male figures in you life willing to check your shit. Ultimately it IS your life. I take it personally because I see yet another girl throwing herself to the dogz. Reminds me of what could have happened to my sisters.

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks no male figures part from my dad my brother and my cousins 😂 its so funny how you think you know how my life is going to turn out. dw i don't mind getting eaten by dogz or used and tossed and coz I'm trash :')

[myTake Owner]

@JesseBrooks You said something here that rings a bell.

"No I see a perfectly good waste of a woman. Same shit my sisters did when they were your age. "

My sister and female cousins did the same shit also -_-. They were good women, but ruined their lives with losers.

Sister was doing well... she fell for a 40 year old pizza boy, had his kid and then he left her to bang some other chicks and doesn't even visit the child.

My cousin was doing well until she started dating a gang member. Had his kid then he went to jail and told her to scram. She did the same thing 2 more times with 2 other men... and now she has 3 kids with three different men and is a single mom.

Same thing happened to my to other female cousins. Fucked the thugs, had to drop out of college to support the kid, etc.

None of my smart, educated and career driven are in a relationship. However, my bad-boy family members have women left and right.

[JesseBrooks]

Well, in the end it is your choice. I can't say how your life is gonna turn out. But after seeing literally HUNDREDS of women go down that path only a few made it out decently. Your gonna find out the hard way, or not. Keep your energetic spunky attitude, it should serve you well. Good luck :)

[be_real101]

@JesseBrooks

why are you even responding to this little girl. she got offended when you mentioned something about her which meant either she dealt with Playas before or she's dealing with one. there's no need to say anything to her because it will be justified with bullshit, you speak logically she will throw some emotional bullshit at her at you

[be_real101]

it seems someone touched a nerve, hE has an opinion to call them that but those men can turn their lIves around, the fact you are defending them which let us know either you dated them b4 or dealing with one right one. if not careful, you will end up in that circle, young girl who got pregnant at 19 years old

[soffffixaz]

@be_real101 omfg im not talking to or "dealing" with anyone right now piss off you stupid kid, you're 17 AND GIVING ME ADVICE AHAH. you and that nonce do not know ANYTHING about my life. both of you virgins can rot

[be_real101]

I've seen my older brother's friends going through that type of guy, women like that I don't feel sorry for them, you said im too young, you are 19 years old, I'm a Virgin HAHAHA I lost my virginity at the age of 15

[soffffixaz]

@be_real101 i hope both ur dicks get chopped off so u can't reproduce :) and well done big man, ur probably so proud of but you're the type that'd probably shame the girl (or guy)(or brother) you did with

[be_real101]

not shame but bring the truth to light especially when women in this country don't take responsibility for their actions

[soffffixaz]

@be_real101 im not from your country ffs 😂😂😂

[be_real101]

i meant in North America and I dont care if we aren't from the same country

[soffffixaz]

@be_real101 im not from north america this keeps getting better

[be_real101]

sure it does,

[soffffixaz]

@be_real101 i'm just gonna get back in the kitchen now bye thanks for your valuable input

[JesseBrooks]

Seen a mention so I checked it out. MISTAKE. Those "both of you virgins cand have ur dicks chopped off and rot etc" wa the closer. You are one genuinely fucked up individual. Holy shit.

[chaos1980]

every one has a conscience, the product of ones environment statement is invalid

[chaos1980]

@JesseBrooks the marxist indoctrination is evident here.

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks yes i am sir

[soffffixaz]

@chaos1980 its "invalid" when science has proven that your environment has an effect on your developmental behaviour ffs

[JesseBrooks]

here's an extreme example. Say I grew up in an environment where it was the norm to torture kill people i didn't like, i should get a pat on the back and people should say "Aww, it's okay hun, your just a product of your environment." Extreme example, but your principal is basically defending this shit.

[JesseBrooks]

Anyway, if your fucked up enough to say all virgins can rot and have their dicks chopped off, than I wouldn't put it past you to defend pedoqhiles that were themselves molested as kids. You knowz, products of their environments.

[soffffixaz]

@JesseBrooks not all virgins just you so you can't produce more people like you lol and no lol paedos are a result of their biology, you see one than one thing can affect a person :o

[SuitAndTie]

A guy who goes in and out of jail all the time spends more time with you then a guy who works 9-5 and returns home to you everyday? Really?

And what's your idea of spontaneous? Trapping you by getting you pregnant so you can't go anywhere or being whisked away for a surprise romantic getaway?

[Anonymous]

Well, not all women are "winners" themselves.

Men often make the mistake of ranking women by their sexual desirability and deciding her personality and character must then be linked in that same ranking.

Hot women can be cruel.
Hot women can be addicts.
Hot women can be dangerous.

Two of my cousins are in prison for meth-related charges. They are stereotypical "dirty white boys" to go against the pic you used above. They are good looking and they date good looking women, but these women are not the sort you wanna meet in a dark alley. One of them's "main" was recently put in jail herself.

Looks don't equal character or behavior.

[Opinion Owner]

When women don't display these negative qualities themselves, often they still grew up in negative households. They may overcompensate by trying to be "perfect" but that early trauma makes them think poor behavior in your partner is the norm.

[CancerianMan81]

but not everyone is the same we don't live in a world where everybody is the exact same and that's the kind of thinking that's creating all of these problems

[SuitAndTie]

I lose respect for a girl when I find out her dating history involves the "loser" type guys that you've mentioned. It turns me right off. One of the ways I determine whether I want to date a girl or not is by looking at her past relationships. You can learn a lot about someone by looking at their life choices. Sure, some girls may make this mistake once or twice but their are many girls I've known who just keep going back to the same type of guy, the "loser". It's borderline deal breaker for me. It's like when girls get turned off or lose respect for a guy when they find out he's visited prostitutes.

[Relentless_Hippie]

I don't have any interest in the bad boy thug types. A man with knowledge, manners, values, etc that's the kind of man I want. Your friends sound dreamy. Truthfully the kind of women who go for the bad boy types are really just the female versions of them. They might come in pretty little packages but at they're core they're as rotten as the guys they're with. Quality women seek out quality men.

[mits777]

Also he is mistaking something that being successful isn't enough for a man if he is a mommy boy and not confident. First of all someone needs to be a real man, secondly successful

[Relentless_Hippie]

@mits777 I've notice a lot of people who lack in the personality department like to blame the result on others instead of seeking inwardly. I guess it's always easier to say it's everyone else's fault instead of our own.

[mits777]

@Relentless_Hippie Yup, you got it right. Being successful doesn't mean being a great person and having a good personality. Actually many successful persons think only of themselves, are busy and treat others like shit. Again, many not all. I am successful myself and still very loving and caring toward my people. I still have my best friends since 6 years old, find time to Skype anyone even that I live in another country and so on. What is inside matters

[Relentless_Hippie]

@mits777 Oh yes absolutely. And that's great! Not a lot of people have had the chance to experience life long friendships. Seeing people who have is something that's definitely admirable.

[DizzyAster]

Nice post, but it's off.
Women like men who can make a move.
Unfortunately, the lawyer guy you talked about probably didn't know how to do so.
Women are not easily woo-ed or swayed by stuff, if the guy is a knob-end.
They like to be excited.
Unfortunately, again, the bad boy with their, whatever, does that.

Also, your friend was killed by a bad man. Doesn't matter if he was a drug dealer or car dealer, bad people are bad.
I knew plenty on both sides of the spectrum who wouldn't kill their woman. Another man? most definitely, but not a woman.

[Shaft50]

I see some of this, not to the extent that you are talking about. I don't agree that the choices of a father are then embedded in the DNA of the child. Some things can be passed on, such as addictions, due to environmental and societal influences, but for a child to grow up to be a criminal, they must inevitably make the choices that will take them down that path. As for the women falling for the wrong guy, I have seen cases like this, just as I have seen cases of guys falling for the wrong girl, with both scenarios sometimes turning out well, and sometimes turning out poorly...

[LizzyLiz]

its Simple.
you can't help who you fall for and everyone in some stage of their lives have fallen for a loser or a person who just doesn't deserve all your love and affection.

eventually we ought to learn to choose better partners cos some people tend to attract losers over and over again.

[Jersey2]

The key I think is to keep away from these guys and then women won't fall for them. But who is that smart when they are young I guess.

[NyomiMcClinton]

Really enjoyed reading this article. And i feel the same way as you. I see so many women especially single mothers being so clingy when it comes to dating men. They tend to take anyone who comes there way. I have a big problem with women who play "house" to soon and then want to cry about why they are being used and taking advantage of. Women fail to realize that when you constantly give and give to a man, some men do not appreciate that.

[chigurl33]

It's the books, I swear it's the books. I read a lot and many girls fantasize about changing their local bad boy. I personally am not into the loser type but a lot of girls are, I think it's all about priority.

Personally I would like somebody who can hang out with me without talking but at least pretend to listen to me when I'm talking. I have zero personal space and can let you smell my farts but do we really need to talk or go out all the time.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I saw the title and loved the take before I even read it. I totally see where you're coming from, I've wondered the same ting. I do all the time and your conclusion was a powerful message that I think was a much needed hard hit of reality. I have never read something on this site that was this smart, well written and spot on. And you presented a point of view at the end that had really never even crossed my mind which almost never happens to me.

Well done!