I've been with many gals in my still short time on planet earth, though I've been with none of them long enough to properly let into my life... And thank fuck I didn't, for while not all of them were "Bad", many of them in their own little ways, were *BAT SHIT CRAZY*. And by crazy, I will also include;
Deeply Insecure; Narcissistic; Egotistical; Immature; Irresponsible and Downright Dangerous; Deceptively Opaque; and just generally Low Quality Humans In Character & Spirit....
Now I've always been blessed in that apparently, I'm a handsome kinda guy, I strive to be best version of me: The Best Man I Can Be. It isn't very Politically Correct to do so anymore, but I aim to synthesize the best of all archetypal forms of manhood:
Trying to do this in the modern era, where the majority of men are weak, empty, emasculated shells when compared to their ancestors, is often met with polar extremes. Guys like me are very well liked and admired in circles that understand and appreciate what it is that men like me represent, and the rest?
They can't stand it! And given that I don't deal with any of the bullshit many of you women (girls?) who throw out their bullshit to try and subdue the modern man, I become a complete HEADFUCK to you, as you fail to realise the simplicity of what it is I, and men like me, desire from a decent bell...
Sooooooooooo... I'll share a short story about a chick I was once out with, and how she highlights everything wrong with the modern woman (and man even more so!!); and hopefully some of you can learn a little from it...
Over a year ago I met this hot chick from Sweden, at a bar, and was immediately impressed; she was one of the best looking girls I'd come across, stereotypical Nordic beauty, well dressed, fashionable, but not whorish, little to no makeup, spoke multiple languages, seemed reasonably intelligent and well informed... As close a man could get to a "natural 10". Now guys like me have never struggled in picking women up, I was not thunderstruck by her, but very pleasantly surprised.
So we're chatting (us both with a couple of our friends) all night, flirting and all the good shit. She was really putting the feelers out as if it was more a long term relationship she was looking for, talking about our interests and things we wanted to do in life, music tastes and a little drop of sexual innuendo ;)
So I played it cool the first night, upon having only just met her, and her seeming like she wasn't out to just get laid - by all means we could've fucked hours before... Ya know? But after all that shit, at the end of the night, I went to take her number and she gets kinda squiffy, tells me to add on Facebook. I tell her I don't use social media (I really don't) and she was surprised by that, and I pull out the joke of being a "man of many mysteries" as it always gets a laugh. So we hugged and left on "good" terms. I got a my friend to add her, kept it all casual at first.
*Note... my friends a good kid, not a cock-blocking little beta by any stretch... If a little innocent and naive to the world haha!
I decided to play along with it, thinking it was just a shit test, and being as pleasantly surprised as I was, was certain she'd come out for a few drinks again... And she did! I'm good at reading people, and women especially...
A few weeks later (I was a busy man at that time with some shit going down, I couldn't make it sooner), we go out again... Small group of us...
And shit goes wacky as fuck!
I take her to a few bars around the town, we watched jokingly as her annoying friend got trashed, so we sent him home... Yes, *him*, one of those tag-along-cucks that not-so-secretly wanted her, and lacked just about every form of masculine virtue a "man" could possibly lack...
The term we're looking for here, is RAT.
But by now as the night progresses with this little annoyance out the way, I've got on my hands a dangerous mix of things going down...
Sitting in a beer garden, "My girl" was still poaching for more relationship type answers from me, dropping sexual innuendo, whilst increasingly getting stupid in her game playing. As we're enjoying the moment, she starts trying to make me jealous at the other guys around drooling at her, whilst irritating the girls jealous at the fact I'm with this chick and not them. And by all accounts was way more naturally attractive.
So now I've got the jealousy of drunk cry baby's that want what I've got, too pussy to challenge me head on, and too low quality to get it, especially when sober! But in the last bar before we go clubbing, this pack of 150lb slack-jaws (bearing in mind at that time I'm almost 300lbs and virtually all muscle), do their best to passive-aggressively start fights with me, challenging me in very beta ways...
Not long before we leave the beer garden, a huge spider crawls onto my friend, he screams like a little girl, bless the silly fucker 😂😂!! These slack-jaws think its me, start shouting "FUCKING PUSSY" at me/us...
I then get up to buy a new drink, they see the size of me and how I look whilst I blow kisses at them, realising it was my friend and not me screaming like a bitch (sorry bro!)...
They scarpered off... 😂😂
I've also now got jealous girls bitching at "My Girl" because their jealous of what she's got in front of her... me... and the fact that looks wise, this chicks about as close to a natural 10 as you'd get. These girls were the types that'd ordinarily glance at me, in the hopes I'd coming crawling over to them like most modern males do, with my cock in my hands (so to speak), seeking their approval... And crying when I didn't... When they had very little else to offer anyway...!
So the sexual tension and frustration between us, is building to its apex... She's now doing more shots with me (teqqqquuuiiillaaaa!!!) and kissing and hugging me, playfully teasing me with one of her makeup brush thingy, as she's touching herself up, before we get into the club.
***I'll drop a SERIOUS HINT HERE FELLAS:
AS WE'RE ABOUT TO GET IN, SHE HANDS ME HER PHONE AND FUCKING WALLET, ASKING ME TO LOOK AFTER THEM GIVEN THAT SHE HAD NO POCKETS................
*****But sadly, this is where it all goes wrong, and she fucks it all up...
As we get in, put our jackets away in the cloak room, get the first round of drinks again, I'm edging towards letting her know I was into her. She was getting annoyed and anxious about all the other ditzy bints scouring at her out of that two-way jealousy I've already mentioned. As the bartender is pouring our shit I grab her by the waist from behind, laughing, telling her it was ok, that she was way hotter than them anyhow...
She's diggin' it, and then comes...*The Tipping Point*
My friends chatting to one of these gals that was trying to weigh in on us, backing me up, deflecting her away. "My Girl" then leans into me like we're gonna smooch, then pulls off cheekily, telling me we should "get back at them and make them jealous"... I laughed and obliged, but I'm no fool, she meant "MAKE ME JEALOUS"... Or damn well try haha!
All I'm gonna say here, for the lack of room, is that the rest of the night was spent watching her and me pull up to random groups (with my good friend drunkenly trailing along... gotta respect the kid he's a good lad!), and her dancing with guys just enough for them to think they were getting it... Waiting for me to come steaming in like the bruiser that I am... Then as they get a little too confident with themselves, trying to cop a feel, she then scrams, elbowing them off, running back to me... I just laugh every time...
It was so bad and done so much, that I nearly got into several fights all in one night, the entire fucking club was following us around, the guys wanting her, the girls wanting me... Plenty of the local girls who wouldn't normally have the balls to come up to me, were doing it left and right, dancing with me, grinding me and all that shit...
The amount of fights I nearly had with the usual miserable slack-jaws that wouldn't say boo to me on the streets was incredible... One particularly bad moment was some kid who was out of his mind, kept trying to get her to drink his shit laced with what I thought was MDMA, she was many things but not a drug user, that much I knew... So I get him to fuck off... With a little force... And his friends shit themselves and get moved along. The power of sexual urges, booze and drugs eh?!
In this joint I knew a lot of the doormen from other venues, they kinda had my back where they could too, which was nice. So we move to a quieter room for a few, whilst my friend takes a piss, me and her get cozy again...
This is the SEMINAL MOMENT!
She asks if we "should go somewhere more quiet"...
By this point I'm so wound up, and agitated, that sex was the fucking last thing on my mind!!!
No woman, no woman at all, no matter how hot, is worth all that shit, not for a 30 minute bang... The audacity of her!! Mwahahaha!!! I said "nah we should dance a little more" and I could see she got upset and angry that all the antics she'd already pulled, hadn't worked, hadn't made me jealous enough to go running after her...
This is the thing about you girls isn't it... At least you insecure ones... You *HAVE* to try and manipualte men, you can't be straight down the line with what it is that you actually fucking want...
Let me tell you what it is that you *NEED*:
But here's the thing...
You, being a woman, doesn't immediately entitle you to this...
YOU ALSO NEED TO EARN IT...
BUT IT DIDN'T END THERE!
After that night ended, with neither of us getting laid, I then bumped into her about two weeks later out with a rather stereotypical modern man... The skinny jeans, the baby face, a waxed body... easy to control...
The look of terror on her face when I walk into this bar with a crew of about 15 friends and associates... LOOOOL
I'll end it here by just telling you this...
I told the entire group I was with that that was *her*... The crazy chick...
We proceeded to terrorise the guy she was with, then had our night socialising, playing a little 8Ball, as we were about to leave for another club, she then comes running out after me!!!!!
She drags this simp along who had no clue what the hell had just hit him, still playing that sorry old game, or trying to anyhow...
The rest I leave up to you to decide what happens next...
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People wonder where the whole "Men are pigs" trope comes from. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you've got these cock burglers whom are pretty attractive coming to certain men in droves throwing their vag's out like cock vacuums and these same girls aren't really worth bringing home to mom or dad. These poor guys are just taking advantage of a commodity without a charge and these respectable ladies go on without the slightest distaste thrown at them. Ofcoarse slut shaming is a thing now..
These betas, which I've got some beta in me too by the way, they seem to think theyre on the girls side when theyre not.. First, girls dont want them. Second, the consequence of chasing girls who are trash is incentivising girls to be trash and disincentivising girls from being decent people. Like women retain sex from men in order to demand better character out of them, which in turns yeilds higher resources they can take. Men let women be flat gross and as a result it's always men paying out of pocket.
I think we need to slut shame guys if neccessary. Its not that slut shaming is bad for men but we gotta get that bar raised for what we tolerate from women.
Thanks for sharing!
I can certainly go along with what you say, as I've said elsewhere it is the weakness of men (betas scoring pussy points) that greatly exacerbates the degeneracy of the modern woman.
If by slut shaming, you mean beta males then certainly! They need to be weeded out the gene pool before we can ever even begin to clean up the acts of women. I believe that chastisement and even physical punishment for their cowardice would soon stop these cling-along-cucks in their tracks.
Ya, I've gotten to the point where I don't even hold chicks accountable anymore. Doesn't matter what you tell them to do because the cling-along-cucks are giving them every reason to be that way. That goes with the so called alpha males with nothing but meat for a brain. You know, the same ones postulating the size of their labido "MY DICKS HUUGE". In my opinion, those guys are just cucks in sheeps clothing. They aren't helping either.
But really, there's not much resistance going on. Guys complain about 90% women going after the top 10% of guys, well shit, it's because those 10% actually act like men. There's such a minority of guys that are willing to point out womens bullshit. The rest of them cow tow to every little plea girls make. They can't be bothered to stick to principle. Girls dont really like that either, girls know how simple their tricks are. They look at those guys as little pawns, sure they fuckable, but they got owned by a silly little girl. That's not very prestigous.
On top of that you got women as a whole collaberating to push their own psycholical warfare subordinating men, and you got cucks fighting against their own self interests. At this point we got a few brave and strong vs the throngs of simpletons. Our bulwark holding back the invasion is surviving on the few men remotely scattered through the world.
So, if need be. We need to get oven-y with these cucks. Its getting to that point.
Man... Your speaking on the same sort of page that I do!
I think that we should hold women accountable for their actions though, but in the wider context of what we're speaking of here, I do agree. These beta males (or faux alphas) are a disgusting mix of arrogance, ignorance, stupidity and fall prey, like cattle, to what is the rather simple "mind-fuckery" that degenerate "women" play upon.
I've got a great example of the kind of beta male "fuckboi" simps we're talking about... On GAG itself; some time back I see a troll question some anon put up about "is my dick big... it's like 12 inches?"...
So I'm scrolling the nonsense and come across some American guy who felt he needed to impress all of our virtual selves by posting pictures of "muh massive dick bitchezz". So called him out on it, got into a nebulous argument of bullshit with him, for the fact I called him a cuck... I'll get to the point here lol...
As I'm making this guy feel increasingly insecure about himself, he went on a rampage, posting pictures of all these cum guzzling "sloots" (I kid you not, this guy was trying to impress me with his gym bruh lingo) that he fucked, of his waxed and 'roided body, of his small arsenal of firearms, and his Interceptor Armor vest to prove he'd been in the army for a short period, and was now joining the police (that didn't stack up anyway, as he also said he'd only left college/university a short while ago)...
He then went onto this homoerotic rampage of trying to goad me into posting pics of my dick for comparison, of the scars I'd accumulated from being fights myself, and other such nonsense. This was ofc what I told him, that I also lifted, was into boxing, came from tough parts, was also university educated, and never struggled in picking up chicks.
He failed to realise though that the pussy he was getting was low-tier, whorish, as he was easily manipulated by them, whereas I stand firm to my principles, and don't sell myself (or my cock) out for approval.
In other words he was indicitve of these modern faggots that try to build their masculine identities (or lack thereof) around a vacuuous image of what modern masculinity *looks like* on a purely superficial level ("bang sloots, hit gym with the bruh's, and bank that cashz for the bitchezz")... He was a caricature fresh off the bodybuilding forums.
He had no understanding at all of what masculinity was truly rooted in; that being the virtues and moral/spiritual guidance that a man roots himself in and stands firm on. He never changes for nobody, least not for 30 mins of sexual validation from a cheap whore.
It hurt him even more when I insisted that "fuckbois" like him are easily manipulated clowns, which actually hold no respect nor authority over women. As you said yourself they're just walking fleshy dildos for the "modern woman" when she feels the need to have her hole filled in. Man and woman are a symbiotic thing, ying-yang, if one is weak and degenerate, so becomes the other.
As for the stat around all women going for that top "10%"... I'll hand you a valuable piece of learned experience; all them women that are attracted to real men (they all are), when they get into the presence of a real man, the quickly crumble and fade away! They realise that they might be physically attractive to the same level as the guy, but they haven't the self-worth or quality of character to hold up to his existence.
This goes for one night stands too, let alone relationships!
Dude, the faq G@G. I almost never had the chance to see your reply. It's been like... A week maybe? I don't know, I thought I lost you in thie heap of garbage that is anything else in my message tab. Shit, I thought it was over, that I had the last word...
Well, I'm not to sure what to say exactly. You know, only one idea ever gets to emerge from the rest in a talk. I felt strongly about the fleshy dildo though. But the last bit of advice and how to eliminate the cucks, and the spiritual nature of masculinity deserves mentioning too.
Not sure how I'd organize those thoughts though. Anyways... I think the fleshy dildo takes presidence simply because of it's simplistic nature and it's more transferable to the next part.
But before I say anything else, just to let you know. I'm pretty decent at reading so feel free to elaborate to your hearts content. You seem to be able to pass on an idea without it losing it's cohesion through the advancement of your speech.
The flippin fleshy dildo! That is exactly whom I was refering to and I can bet 100 % that everything you told that guy was absolutely agreeable. I can see it in my head. But I actually felt bad having to read your story because dudes like that are exactly the result of a lack of masculinity. It's guys who have to create a dramatised masculine self image to separate themselves from being called women. And it's caused by an over exposure to women, particularily in response to humiliation from women. It's a mechanism to fight off the feeling of immasculation and it becomes the source of pride that otherwise would leave an absence of feeling secure about oneself.
It's sad AF. Like, the person is living a type of delusion. The reality is that they are compensating for a lack of feeling masculated. It's a desperate attempt to counterfeit it. When in actuallity, if masculinity can be said to be among a few things, it's a healthy sense of identity. It's the appreciation of your intribsic values and the capitolizing of your inherent abilities. Like, guys don't have a reason to feel immasculated if they know how to feel pride in themselves for being themselves. Those flesh cucks, theyre an obviously pale comparison of a man. Girls see it, we see it, everyone sees it but them and their flesh cuck boyfriends. The reason why it happens in the first place is because real masculine energy isn't around. It's also mostly because men are drowned in hyper feminine energy, which is highly volatile and oppressive if not left under check.
So I feel for em because ultimately they are victims living out a lie to protect themselves. I feel for em because, well... They've falken down and they can't get back up. They've created this enormously inflated alter ego that just can't be torn down because it holds up every bit of self worth they have. Underneath this crippled foundation is this broken hearted immasculation... Womens fault by the way, lol
But ya, they have almost no ability to discern anything outsight the fiction they live out. Women pray on these guys because theyre easy AF. Women don't respect them, they respect them like an ATM. These guys just follow any other trick laid out infront of them that reinforces their own manhood. While in the real world, these women are ruthless towards them.
Thesevother cucks are in a simular boat, except they got cucked into thinking that if they act masculine they are guilty of a hate crime! The psychology of these cucks is indifferent than a piddling dog terrified and obedient to it's master. It's not that they know masculinity is bad, it's that they are, so inwardly destroyed the idea of being their genuine self comes at the cost of ruining their life and it is supported on.
So, even though these cucks bark like mutts. Theyre dogs, I dont hate dogs. lol. I actually like dogs! I just feel sorry for the misbehaving ones. Which then brings me to my next point. These guys, as miserable and barking as they are, depriving them of masculinity further is actually just going to worsen the issue. As much as they are like a cancer, it's not best to deform them just yet by eliminating them all together. And the cure, well... It lays in the most humble of places.
The cure is us. We've been granted the uneasing task of having to be the champions of a once forgotten history. We, are not only men espousing an idea, we are the ghosts in which haunt broken men of their past. We are the gate keepers and bridges to communing with the broken vestiges of their own long forgotten self... Wait a sec...
The lion king! Flippin great movie! We are basically Mufasa, the cuck is Simba and the negative energy of femininity is Scar! We gotta get that baboon out to Simba!
Okay, Ill pause on anything else and let the catch up occur.
I'll finish by adding that there's also the importance it plays towards women. Because women are fucked without real men. Thats why they melt infront of them. Its also a ghost from the past. Women need men for many reasons but Ill leave it as they need that contrast in their identity that reminds them of what they are... Hell, look. up stephan molyneax's episode on fight club. Its great shit.
that episode though covers so much of what we could talk about. I insist you look. at it.
Hey man, had a busy couple days, I'll reply to this in a bit!
Right... Here goes lol.
I had a feeling everything you've said so far was inspired by the sentiments revealed in the film Fight Club - and I must say, its one of my all time favourites too, it almost perfectly describes the current state of modern masculinity, and how it has reduced man to nothing but a consumerist sheep. A Slave.
I need not reiterate all that you've already expanded upon, with regards to how to the modern woman has no respect for the fleshy dildo cucks, and how they are truly devoid of any real masculine virtues. But I will build upon some of the mechanisms within which modern man has reached this emasculated state, and therefore how the modern woman has equally become devoid of all femininity.
Therefore on the back of this, I must recommend you to read up on Friedrich Nietzsche and more so, his take on "Master & Slave Morailty"; as far as I'm aware he held many Pagan ideals within his thinking, he elaborates greatly on how organised religion had reduced the barbarian man from being truly "Noble" (not in the Christian-aristocratic sense of the word), in that he was upright, unable to be controlled by anyone, his and his people's destiny's were their own, all the way down to a literal and spiritual slave of YHWH (God). This, for 2,000 years, has paved way for the gradual suppression (if not outright destruction) of the rudimentary, explicitly fundamental point of spiritual manhood; the ability to think and act for himself, on the basis of a synthesis of logic *AND* base instinct.
Our ancestors were not only deracinated from their roots by an alien desert religion, but with the advent of modern economics (ala feudal agriculturalism, the industrial revolution, and our present modern, high tech and "automated" civilisation), the role of man has gradually been supplanted. Not only have we been outright serfs and waged-labour slaves, but presently AI is now seeking to be used to take us out of this already synthetic "job market".
So in essence, as Nietzsche had concluded, through the desctruction of our spirituality, our cultures, we have degenerated from being Noble and Free Barbarians (Ubermensch), to becoming Spiritual Slaves (Untermensch). I understand these terms are deemed controversial due to how the National Socialists adopted them, but I simply speak from Nietzsche's point of view here.
This takes me onto Jack Donovan's "The Way Of Men" (as well as other work he's put out more recently); he builds on much of what Nietzsche has already said with regards to what man is now, vs what he once was, but also greatly elaborates on *HOW* modern global capitalism and communism (two sides of the same coin) has mechanistically kept us whimpering sheep for men in our waged-labour chains of comfort and consumerism. Much of the basis of this was also illuminated by Fight Club itself.
If you don't want to buy either then you can definitely get a free PDF copy. In effect Donovan elucidates to us how tribal manhood (barbarism) has been tainted by the propaganda of civilisation, and how man (and woman) is at his most apt, and sound of mind, when his natural bioligical role is allowed to flourish without the remits of modern law and order, of Emperors, Monarchs, Dictators, Presidents and Parliamentarians... And so on...
He goes on to explaining how the mechanisms of the dumbing down of man ("the global empire of nothing") has not only banned man from being tribal, but has actively eviscerated all natural forms of identifiable tribalism. Most cultures throughout the world inherit names from their forefathers, who were members of X clan, who were famous for something (usually building, trade or warfare), and the sons and daughters would continue on this legacy, identifying with both the trade their clan (family tree) was responsible for, but also building brotherhoods with neighbouring families of similar stock.
But through the destruction of tribal systems, having been replaced via organised religions, birth of nations and nation-states, with formal geo-political boundaries (Nietzsche); but even more so in the present day, where the only "solid" basis for "manhood" is "getting a job, paying for a mortgage which still doesn't give you land ownership, but merely a 99/101 year lease, all in an effort at 'supporting' you family, when you have to slave at a 9-5 in a job you hate, for worthless paper currency"...
Modern man has no solid identity, nothing to identify with, no brotherhood to stake a claim to, very few of us now get to represent the very surnames we inherited... Donovan describes this in his research as "The Bonobo Masturbation Society". He draws a great parallel between how in Bonobo society, in times of plenty of food and reproductive rights (plentiful in women), the males become weak and lazy, the women often take charge in confrontational situations, and a higher spike in homosexual activities occur. Both the men and women masturbate each others own genders.
This then, in terms of tribal psychology, creates a weakenned image of other competitors in the area, they see this cultural effeminacy as weak, and tend to invade the sloth-like group of bonobos for the resources the have. The effeminate males either then snap back into action and defend the tribe, or get overrun, and destroyed.
Does this not sound like modern civilisation?
Tyler Durden describes the same thing, how a great many potentially strong and Noble Men, who *SHOULD BE* the natural leaders, are reduced to being waiters and bartenders... and the like...
The Fight Club itself was not about mindless violence, as the civilised man would have you believe, but was an expression (or rather, outlet) of the intrinsic and rudimentary aspects of masculinity that have been repressed...
This no doubt is why mental health problems are rife with the modern man (and woman...).
Do we also see the reflections of this repressed masculinity in the take I've written here, describing how the beta males wanted to, in their own little fucked up ways, play out the "alpha male dream" and take my woman from me, because they wanted her, but lacked even the most rudimentary values of manhood to even carry that out in the first place?
To finish my part here (there's so much you'll have to read up on to fully grasp what I'm angling at, if you haven't already), I blame ourselves, men, as much as I do the civilisation that wishes to repress us.
On the one hand I sympathise with those who have suffered from depression, without every understanding why it is they feel so. But on the other, I *DESPISE* the spawns of shit for "men" who've been born (whored) out of this comfortable, high tech civilisation of comfort, ease and "law and order"...
We now have a race of men who are spineless, weak, degenerated cowards... But here's the kicker... Many of them know that they are, and this makes them EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Weak men who know so, and choose to stay so, only ever wish to tear apart all that is good and virtuous, they parasite and metastasize off the efforts of the stronger ones, and ruin them in the process, out of jealousy, malice and spite.
This again, translates into much of the little memory I spilled out on this take.
Where in the world is the pity for us? Oh, woe, woe, woe... Sadly, any attempt to escape this slavery you speak of is a futile attempt thst just leads us into another prison. Whatever true freedom may exist out there, we may never know. The sad part though, is that as you have just made an excellent response, in this world we must suffer to be dimmed into the humble brutes you may have depicted either of us through our immediate presentation of ourselves. Whereas just to speak among the general crowd our language is censored and subjugated into a submissive imitation of our truest beliefs. In a way, these same flesh dildos seeking the alpha male dream are not so much different than you and I in that we too have been robbed of expression by that I would call the popular crowd.
You are intelligent and I like that. You speak like you are well educated, I like that. I really wish it were the case that people were allowed to express themselves in such the way you do, as I would in sone manner, but ofcoarse, we are all living in this slavery you mentioned.
Anyways, I wanted to point out that there are plently of little contentions that go along with everything you said, one may be the supposed freedom of barbarians, however these contentions are fruitless as none the less I understood the principles you were bringing up. Then there were a few other things to breifly mention.
I haven't read those books or really heard of them. Im slightly learnt of Neitzche as he is a popular household name after Jordan Peterson hit his popularity. I wanted to say I'm happy you said those two books were free pdfs, lol. Im a sucker for free stuff. Also, I wanted to laugh at when you said Neitzche "greatly elaborates" because I find it to be an understatement as from the few pages I read of the guy he is the king of run on sentences and one enormous paragraph is just to detail one specific idea.
Anyways, I think what I would like to concentrate on that you interestingly bring up is this idea of the lost identity, the false identity, and perhaps how they relate to themes of justice. I hope, those are acceptable summarizations. I say themes of justice because at the same time there is a pity for these cucks, there's also an animosity. Which is where the focus of our inspirations really come from, where we derive the goal of our visions, and perhaps find the path to our objective.
In the bible, (please excuse my lack of sophistication in this area), there is this idea that god demands the fear of god. Elsewhere the bible describes what this fear of god means (from my sources anyway). This fear of god is the hatred of evil things, roughly speaking. At the same time its expected that we love one another etc. I've got the idea that in doing both is neccessary, in that the source of "the fear of god" is also the "the love of God". Which may not mean a whole lot but it may just be pointing out the justification of for the double sided embrace of these sentiments. But more importantly to note because to strive towards the ideal of this noble barbarian type, we need to see the contrast between the ideals. This is to say that in consequence, to love something is to also hate something. What these things are often give distinction to one another. That and to act justly, is to fight injustices, but to fight injustice requires action. Thats where the role of identity, false identity falls into place and where we may find a path from the darkness.
I think you and I have already provided a lot of these contrasts. In the negative side you have leshy dildos are seeking a psuedo identity, beta males are clueless as to an identity, and generally there is the secret hand, the government, our culture, our psychology, etc all condemning us to one form of servitude and repression of ourselves in some manner or another.
On the postive side you have the ultimately free person, unrestricted from anything they may accomplish. Which in itself just seems like chaos.
Identifying the order, is actually rather easy, theyre cucks. In searching for the chaos, you find an infinity of nothingness. So, where does this this idea of being a man fit in? As consequentially a man is doomed to one slavery or another.
I think toaists were really underappreciated in our understanding as they tackled this idea long ago and came up with the tao. "One who says they know the tao, cannot know what the tao is" or something like that. Generally, they saw absolute order as troublesome and absolute chaos one in the same thing. They generally adopted a passivity to change. Never to remain stagnant and always shattering their old selfs which they saw as being "the righteous man" or "the man maturing out of his childhood" The problem that we face is we are either with our feet either in order or in chaos. Even these men that have chosen to be flesh cucks are just another form of the same disingenuous person.
Which I wanto to go back a second and say something about the flesh cucks. There's this seemingly naturally occuring resentment to self attack in the form of attacking others, known as psychological projection. When it comes to these flesh cucks, I can feel pity for them in that although they have become the monsters they were consumed by, or zombies, it's not so much the zombies that are neccessariy to destroy. If your familiar with the old dracula, head vampire myth that you only need to kill off the main vampire to reverse them all, I find inspiration in my sympathy from its relationship with these troubles we face... I think this scene from the goonies really frames what these flesh cucks really are.
Anywho, I want to let you go from there and see what you think so far. Especially towards what you think the justice is that we seek.
Well first, let me just say that it makes a change to have someone at this level of engagement on a site like this man!
Well I think the best way to begin here is by stating first and foremost; that what is so fundamental to both our understandings of what the epochal transition from pagan-tribal culture vs modern, institutionally religious geopolitical nation-states, as well as what it has come to represent, is this:
When guys like me start espousing such "radical" ideas (at least by modern, civilised standards) like "freedom", it is not an inducement of complete anarchy, for anarchy is best described as you say, *chaos*. But freedom is not to be conflated with chaos, nor is chaos to be conflated with freedom. Some might ask what I mean by this?
Man has always regulated his own behaviour, as an individual and as a member of his tribe, we used to live by tribal laws and most importantly of all: *Honour Codes*. It was through these ideas and customs that 100,000's of years of human culture was to flourish and man was to live in accordance to nature, and not against it, as modern Abrahamic civilisation has sought to do. This raises the dichotomy of "Natural Law" vs "Constitutional Law and Order" - whether this be Christian morals, Sharia law, liberal democracy, communist dictatorships and so on...
Paganism was centered around living within nature, respecting and revering it, and by nature I do not mean just the soil that both gives and takes life, but of our fellow man. Our ancestors did not need pieces of paper to tell us how to act, nor did they abide by strict legal definitions and employ judges that were hired merely to subjectively interpret such procedures, against abstract human conflict.
There was a degree of *structure* to pagan culture, but not *hierarchy* as we come to subscribe to now (ala socioeconomic classes, bankers, politicians and so on)...
Our ancestors were "freemen", free to act within the confines of valiant and *honourable* conditions, of which the druids/seers/maji etc etc. would provide spiritual (philosophical) council for any contentions and conflicts of interest that did occur among individuals and tribes
Barbarians, contradictory to the propaganda of high civilisation, did not seek to exploit nor destroy fellow man (or earth) for personal gain - to whatever means - but when provoked into self defence, would very much induce within his own being, his primal, base instinct to *destroy* or ***be destroyed***.
This, ironically, is why they lost, they were feared for their abilities at warfare by high civilisation, but high civilisation (be it the Romans, or Capitalist/Communist countries of the present day), but high civilisation and empire building need to relentlessly and pathologically ***destroy*** those who stood in the way of their economic "progress".
But with the history lesson aside, I hope you can gleam from this that what we have lost from times of old, in terms of *true* freedom, in that man was naturally self-sufficient (socially, politically, economically, culturally and spiritually) and did not need nor seek the hierarchical "superiority" of artificial, synthetic modes of human discourse controlled by the "State".
This should hopefully give some meat on the bone as to your question as to what freedom is, and whether or not freedom is ever going to be ahcieved, and how to distinguish freedom from "anarchy". Moreover I hope you can also see where Fight Club was aiming at in terms of what rudimentary masculinity really is, it *is* violent, it *is* bloody, it *is* death... But it is also *honest* and *honourable* - as nature is both cruel and kind, beautiful and frightening. This also goes some way to describing why it is I loathe the flesh cucks and how spiritually doomed they really are, they have not an ounce of anything I've described...
Not only that, but the modern man also actively rejects such notions, as much as we can pin the blame on social engineering and the (((hidden hand))) guiding us into this degeneracy, it is our close (er) ancestors who chose to send us down this path, and the people of the present who choose to wallow in, if not enjoy, the spiritual and cultural degeneracy that this void has created.
Prior to our domestication we would have sought to rid ourselves of such a chains, but now we have weakened to such a point in that we would rather slave in our 9-5's for the comfort of our modern homes and mostly useless appliances. We also hide behind the power of constitutional law, which, unlike natural law, doesn't uphold natural (righteous) justice, but empowers and rewards (more often than not) the weak and vile.
Not too long ago law was there to protect the Lords who presided over the land, reaping wealth like parasites from the peasants who actually worked the land. I could go on and on within this aspect...
But to reaffirm where I believe the answer lies, is in this: Man just needs to say enough is enough, this, frankly, can either be done by violent insurrection against our rulers (bankers and politicians) or by slowly opting out of this system - by not becoming wage slaves, by not getting up to go to work everyday, for it is *we* who keep the cogs of this death machine running, yet paradoxically, it is the cucked masses that moan about the state of their lives and what the economy has done to their livelihoods...
As for the flesh cucks and cheap whores, if civilisation was to collapse tomorrow, they would not exist, and all I'd have to say to that is "GOOD RIDDANCE"!
You tell me me what is more masculine:
On top of this, and in relation to your points on the Bible and Taoism, I'd also suggest reading up on Wilhelm Reich's "The Mass Psychology of Fascism".
It is a critique not so much of what the National Socialists did or did not stand for (to this day there is much conjecture between mainstream and "revisionist" historians, like myself, as to what NatSoc was, and what really happened in WWII, but that is not to be our distraction here); the book was seminal and silenced by the Communists, as well as the liberal governments of the West, he was exposing the existence of a natural life force that exists in *all matter*, everything within this universal consciousness...
He was able to develop technologies that, in conjunction with Nicola Tesla, would dwarf what any government of the day was able to produce. But with that aside also, you may ask what the hell I mean by all this?
He called this natural life force the Orgone Field, and the opening gambit to his research was that "Love, work and knowledge are the wellsprings of life..."; he came to understand, like I have illuminated between the contrast of pagan vs civilised people's, that we have it within us to live free of all forms of coercive, institutionalized "governance", for they are a completely unnatural and inhuman thing.
We have been suppressing and warping our Orgone Fields by subjecting ourselves to such systems of control, and therefore increasing pathological dependencies upon "higher beings" to do things for us, that our ancestors could do for ourselves. This has come in the form of God, Constitutional Governance... *MONEY*...
And here's the really, *REALLY* interesting part:
Within the lines and verse of organised religion, it's code of command, lies within it this *VERY SAME KNOWLEDGE*, for it is not new, but actually very, very ancient.
I've said a lot already, I'll let this sink in, but to summarise; in order to achieve manhood, we must be the makers of our own destinies!
Oh I meant to say that despite the propaganda we see around barbarian culture, and how violent they were, they lost because of they did not have it within them to want to relentlessly destroy and exploit their enemies... Unlike civilised empires.
Be it the Roman's or modern bankers and politicians, they will not stop until they get what they want. Ironically it's due to those honour codes that the pagans of old sought to live peacefully against the waves of civilised tyranny.
Hey, So I've read what youve posted. Had a good laugh at the second photo link. I wanted to lrt you know ill get back to you soon in the near future. Just had something turn up that just chokeslammed my confidence and put me into a little bit of a stupor so Ill get back to ya when I can and in that way itll hopefully be worth it.
No problem man, I understand. Feel free to reply whenever.
Well, I might get to it now, but id need to refresh. Just kinda killing time RN until I regretfully get too drunk to speak any sense.
Haha by all means man!
I had to go over, back and forth a few times with the whole chat. I didn't want to feel like I either didn't have any input to say or that I was wondering off the deep end, which in some part of my last part I did feel like I was a bit incoherent. Regardless, you seem to provide a terrific replay despite my side being skewed a bit. Also, it's hard to really find the right thing to say since you were very agreeable with everything you said.
I also want to try to be more brief myself as I think my paragraphs are too long.
I wanted to quickly note my adiramtion for your style of writing. It was very concise and very comprehendable. I felt like at just looking at the body of words together I could get the idea without having to sort through the sentences making the paragraph.
I haven't even graduated past grade 10 so my writing skills are definitely lacking and not as good as yours.
ill continue below
You did a great job in describing the nature of the issue, and stating a solution. It was very well said in being accurate with what I had asked.
As I'd put it, this problem is the loss of sonething, sonething not only valuable but something that is an inherited right from nature itself. This something is something that has been stolen, in which ever shapeless form we can find it. As men once had the freedom to be men, now we do not have that same right, as you very skillfully elaborated too. Now we have the issue of a fake manliness or worse to live by.
Now, I think you and I relatively understand the issue and are free from it in a way. We aren't like those that have refutiated it in the service of the secret hand, sort of speak. But, I still roughly feel for these cucks in their losses, even though they can be assumed to be self inflicted. In a way, the have had this inherent right stolen from them. So I wonder, what do we do in restoring this loss? Or are we to even bother?
I think you did a fabulous job in describing the issues we've discussed. I tend to think that answers we do not yet know tend to reveal themselves through simple adventure of dialogue. So, I also wonder what you would think are the focus points of determining what these cucks are. I don't mean to circle back to reiterating our earliest talk either. Its more that if you had anything to further to add.
Oh, and sorry to make this even more extended for you but I wanted to draw a connection back towards your original story about the floosy. Because I think that women are also sufferers of a lack of true masculinity. You see how they act like vile cunts due to the excess of filfthy consumerism from the flesh dildo cucks. So, I was wondering how you feel they fit in to whatever we are talking about.
Thanks for the kind words, going through the education system, for what its worth (not a lot lol) I have had a lot of practice; currently waiting to begin a Masters thesis next year!
Nah man there's not a lot wrong with your own writing style, your ideas are what count, and they aren't simple minded, your perfectly competent in conveying what it is your thinking, in a conversationalist tone. This is GAG anyway, not an academic forum ;)
As for where you left off:
That is exactly what it is, in light of what I've already suggested, we as men collectively have lost *something*; and that something is our ability to think and act for ourselves! Rich or poor, handsome or ugly, intelligent or stupid, muscular or skinny, being able to "bang sloots" or not... All of us men who are trapped in the confines of civilisation are nothing but slaves - some men just have more privileges than others (slightly better off slaves).
We are all dependent on money, and for as long as we are dependent on money, or any other synthetic system that merely controls us, we will never truly be in charge of our own destinies. And for 2,000 years now (I use the Roman invasions and later Christianisation period as the landmark) man has therefore relented his status as Ubermensch, and gradually been relegated to Untermenschen.
It has been a steady downfall, were men more masculine 200 years ago when compared to our generation? Fuck yes. But were they anywhere near as masculine as those from 300, or 10,000 years before them? Fuck no.
This has therefore placated mans mental health, for the more subordinated we and our primitive drives have become (especially with the boom of high tech civilisation), the more mentally and physically handicapped we have become. What we might have now in say, our abilities to engineer supercomputers, has been replaced by our ability to protect and procreate efficiently with our women (as a myopic example ofc).
As for the "flesh cuck" guy I mentioned I had encountered on here, he and guys like him, in my view, are far too down the rabbit hole of that spiritual void of emasculation. If, for the sake of argument, I had my way and civilisation collapsed tomorrow, and we reverted back to the ways of our ancestors, I would not even wager that guys like him would even survive a day... Nor would I want them to.
I could imagine taking the modern emasculated gym donkeys like him, putting him back 3,000 years, flexing his waxed body and talking of banging "sloots" to his tribesmen antagonistically, and then getting his head crushed... And for good reason, our ancestors would have thrown guys like this in the bog becuase not only are they fundamentally weak and effeminate, but they also enjoy being so; to have someone like this integrated into a powerful tribe would relegate them and their image, as well as their culture and spirituality...
So sadly, in raw terms, our present day generation/s have within them a lot of garbage, which I attribute to entropic levels of growth in the human population over the last 100 years alone (we've spiked from 1 billion to over 7 in a century...)... I believe in quality over quantity.
And this takes me onto your final question about the women. Again your 100% right, the emasculation of men has been lethal for women too. I believe also within the confines of modern civilisation, where men's roles have been neutered, so has our ability to love and protect our women - for that is what they want.
Women have been led astray by the toxicity of feminism and older Christian antagonisms against their sexuality, and they have not had the strong guiding hand of *men* to prevent them from falling into this trap.
This is also why modern relationships are relatively so dysfunctional...
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Fuuuuck... Is there an undo button? I just hid the second latest post! Fuuuuck!
I got to the part about mens mental health swayning away and then as I was scrolling I hit sonething I shouldn't have. FFFuuuck.
Oh, but I love your ability to easily express your ideas. Like, In saying how I am fine with communicating etc, I would find it a bit challenging to find the same terms and sense of language that you so easily find. I think it's not only admirable but commendable because I feel the larger portion of society today has such a difficulty in coordinating their language, to. the point where they just stop talking or thinking. So, good on you because I see you as a type of revivalist of that type of thing.
oh, you can copy n paste that second part right?
We men have allowed our women to be conditioned to become narcisitic whores, and at a primitive level women have come to resent us for our weaknesses, for being so inept at keeping them in their place/s. Neither gender can seem to fully articulate such a primitive phenomenon, but it's there, and again, as I outlined in this take, this girl I was with was testing how much of a man I was, how much I really wanted her, how much I could *protect* her...
But here's the most viciously tragic part about girls like her: They have been conditioned to believe that acting like a whore, whilst demanding the presence of a *big, strong man*, is not only warranted, but rightfully hers to demand. As I said at the end of the take, men like me know how girls work, and why they do what they do, but they lack the qualities themselves to *qualify* for a big, strong man.
This alienation is amplified, compounded and exacerbated by the sorry fact that due to there being so few *true men* anymore, many women are unable to cope with that very masculine energy that they desire... it flakes them out, as much as they *flake out*!
The (((powers that be))) have smashed the natural symbiosis of gender relations, men do not fill in the masculine roles anymore, women then try to pick up the slack, whilst also trying to be pretty and feminine... And it creates aboninations like the girl I encountered.
I use such a term to describe girls like her, because for as much as I like to party and live like a rock n' roller, these kinds of girls should be at the top of the pecking order, which I thought she was, but acts so very Untermensch that it kills men like me to think... "What a waste"...
I'll pm you man
Oh dude that was a home run that last part. You perfectly condensced it by including your previous take and were spot on. You took short and sweet to a whole new level there. Bravo!
I still am pretty weak and beta a lot of the time, kinda raised up that way but I always felt ashamed to fail to live up to the greater standards I felt I needed to because I find everytime I fail to take charge, even as painful it seems at first glance, people get hurt, mostly women. And I see that what you've been saying, like girls have this bullshit entitled attitude like overgrown children and like children they push their limits and its not good. They end up stinking away with men they feel they can control but that otherwise can't look after them. So they get bitter and resentful then older faster and its a tragedy.
I think men gotta do their part in putting women in their place, it sounds mean but it's totally neccessary. Like, these girls are otherwise left with the task of being men and dealing with their own sense of vulnerabilities and women just are vulnerable creatures. I think these cucks, while they pretend to white knight, they don't love women at all, their afraid of them.
And the societal impact against masculinity is just how you've said it to be. It winders away our competence and removes from us our divine spirit, gradually and incrementally, without notice until man is just a empty shell of himself.
But I don't think that society is all that bad. Like these still enterprise in society. Even though there's losers and winners, there's always aspiration to achieve better. Even in our archaic system we can find masculinity I think, but it comes with the cost of the demand for creativity and ambition.
Aha well I consider it better practice!
I think regardless whatever you think of yourself, and whatever weaknesses you might have (which to a greater or lesser extent, we all do), the vast difference between you and me and the zombies out there, is that we are aware of this! Our abilities to reflect and then, hopefully, drive ourselves to self-improvement is what separates us from them.
My advice to you, would be to force yourself into more uncomfortable situations, situations that require you to defend and assert yourself in some way, especially when it comes to women. If man gets himself (re) acquainted with conflict (to all its varying degrees it manifests in throughout life), then he becomes more attuned to dealing with it - it never is nice, but its a valuable form of life experience that we need to pass on to our children.
And again man you correctly summarise all that we've discussed so far, this is indeed how these women end up sad and alone, either childless or with multiple bastard children. We need to teach our women that in order to be "awarded" a big strong man, they need to be able to match that degree of masculinity, in their femininity - and not adopt "mental transgenderism" like the cheap whores do.
I believe the actor Sean Connery sums up in much less words than I can here;
Just watch how he handles the woman interviewing him too, as well as what he's saying; in the full interview she mellows out and comes treat him with a little bit more of the respect that she knows he deserves. Many, though not all, women will snap back into their feminine roles once that firm grip of manhood is felt by them again... But this is difficult for one or two men here and there across entire demography's to accomplish, for in a deracinated and degenerate cultural climate like ours, rare men can be sold off as "throwbacks" and "old skool"... As much as those terms are more often complimentary...
No... In order to fully reestablish the gender-balance with women, we need to have a cultural revolution unlike ever before, men need to reestablish themselves at an entire societal level - it is essentially a culture war that we are in (and have been in for 2000 years), and men have been failing miserably; henceforth the entire cycle I've already laid out in previous posts just continues to repeat itself at the macroscopic level of people's lives...
Indeed, that is an astute observation! The flesh cucks are, frankly, cowards... They know deep down they have no control, they command no respect from women, so resort to playing into their mind games and get "rewarded" for it, like the little lapdogs that they are. This is why I maintain that they're far worse than the low-tier women themselves, they're the ones that should be putting a lid on the shit behaviour we see from women, but no, instead they aid in perpetuating it - quite the unholy alliance, right?
I've got an IRL example of how weak the modern man is just earlier on today, me and my brother were standing outside a restaurant waiting for our food, where there is a bus stop right by us, was a young couple (about our age)... Me and my bro pay them no attention, as most polite strangers do, nothing happened, but the guy this girl was with was, shall we say... More like the picture of male models, as opposed to the Celtic/Germanic tribes pictures I used earlier on...
Me and my bro were talking among ourselves about these attractive waitresses, and other sex-related topics, this girl was listening in real good, and the guy gets very insecure, he just gave me this look of desperation as if to say "PLEASE DUDE, STFU IMPRESSING MY GIRL IN FRONT OF ME"... We did not seek his or her attentions, but...
Why was it so easy (and almost inescapable) for us to make this guy insecure? Why is it that he was able to detect a degree of "interest" in us that 'his' girl had? (more)
Now this chappy seemed like a reasonably decent guy, not a gym donkey far as I could tell, but again... Weak...
And I'm not even saying that this girl was bad or cheap, or even an attention whore, but if me and my bro were able to draw such attentions from her without even aiming to do so, then just how truly *interested* in her guy and their little life was she... truly?
This is why I am beginning to voice my worldview IRL (as well online) more and more now, modern man is evidently in such a bad state, he lacks masculine virtues and the women know it, they in turn get parented by the state-driven ideologues which poison them, and they feel no control coming from their men...
Unfortunately though, this is where I beg to differ. If one's propensity towards "economic dynamism" within this civilisation was a product of the inherent worth of a mans, well, manhood, then money and material wealth afforded by this civilisation would surely be handed to those same men that we see in fight club, or the ancient barbarian ancestors of ours...
But instead the highest socioeconomic echelons of this civilisation are riddled with morally, spiritually (and politically) rotten and corrupt "men"... and "women". The richest people in the world fund unjust wars, push our subversive media outlets, incite false revolutions, build nerd-base technologies like social media... and so on...
There is no honour and virtue in this society, but just corrupt whores. I should know, I've met not only Freemasons, but politicians and CEO's and so on... I was offered the breadcrumbs of their "wealth", but at the expense of my own dignity and honour codes.
A big problem with the whole shebang with masculinity and femininity is centered on identity. Men and women have lost their identity and they don't know what identity is anymore. The flesh cucks create alternative personalities to substitute for the lack of identity in themselves. Whereas they can't confront the existence of their own fear, particularily the fear of women, so they construct psuedo selves.
The problem I find is that the issues are not cultural, they only appear that way on the surface. They instead are psychological. The psychological nature derived from our history, as it is well known about the horrible conditions women went through. But to be brief without going into the notion too far, a lot of the anti/feminine politics we see today that women are involved in, do not say intellectual authenticity, they instead paint the picture of somebody lashing out. The lashing out is probably the result of their feminity being repressed, and the people acting out the psychotic behaviours inhereted by their parents influences, their parents psychological inheretences from generational abuses.
With men and their immasculation, it's the same case. While men put on acts and camouflage identities, they are either escaping from self realization or are in absence of becoming self aware. That boy you described in your short bus story is one of these types, whom was confronting a internal conflict of identity, insecurity.
I really don't want to take too long speaking by the way, so Ill try to be as brief as possible for now.
I'll quickly assert here that I think, what women are doing with this psychotic vitriol you see is they are looking for punishment, because they were likely punished for simply existing by their parents or some other guidance/provider factor and acting out serves two purposes. One purpose is to gain attention. The other is to recieve punishment in which justifies the actions of their abusers. In facing punishment they are placing a type of association of abuser onto the people they attack, in finding punishment they also find a convuluted and distorted feeling of acceptence, as to act in defiance to the provider/parent is to retain a liberty that has such an enormous cost attached to it that it's nearly impossible to desire.
Anyways, so with what this means to you and me is that the differences between you and I with opposition to the flesh cucks is a matter of identity, although not perfect it's substantially enough to be "men". These men are in internal conflict with themselves, at this point clueless to the origin of their own essence and being. They created or adopted false identities as to provide a bandaid or cover over reality. Whereas you and I may not be "enlightened" per se, but what's important is our strive for character, which is the building of identity.
You and I differ as to why that is. You, as it appears to be, are attracted to this development towards masculinity as you feel disgust towards the the illnesses of this calamity we speak of. You in essence seem to be inspired by a greater purpose or by some sense of cultivation away from deprivation.
As for me, I'd say it's in some form as a sense of duty, as I don't really find much aspiration to achieve much myself and I instead feel plenty of pity towards what I see as ill people.
But where we intersect is that we both exult certain principles in our practice to achieve these goals. The main one may be the sense of responsibility. You and I build our own character in the development of a greater self, future and finally identity.
The problem with cucks, isn't that they can't see their own miscreant attitudes. It's that they can't feel a more noble sense of purpose. They don't develop an identity. They default to the coercion of fear and self loathing. We instead, have identiy because we strive to create it.
So where this sense of justice fits in is in restoring identity to people. Because what I think is the problem is that peoples right to genuine personality has been subjugated by social influences. The problem to me isn't in building a type of masculine order or in recreating a type of manly icon, its in reinvigorating what the fundamental essence of man is, or what woman is. As much as cultural politics plays a role, I think of it being on a micro level of importance, although I also see it as a field of battle in which these events most occur. I also think that trying to impress the fascination of the ideal man onto the public won't work as the ideal man is intrinsically a type of genuinely intellectual pursuit or spiritual matter. The matter of masculinity isn't something that is neccessarily described or illustrated as a type of charicuture, it's an essence of our being and any delination away from that I think is futile. What needs to happen in my opinion is not neccessarily a cultural movement but one where an individual may climax in their potential and spur off natural influence. They must also spur this influence in away that is directed in branching out to other people. Because although masculine elements created the institutions you speak of, they were ultimately self serving ambitions. And being a matter of justice, regardless of where we may stand in our respective positions, what is required is both refutation of the falsehoods that beset man, and the cultivation towards truthful principles.
Late reply here! I didn't get the notification! Checked now to see you replied 3 days ago, I've been on here regularly so would've replied sooner!
Haha again man, I don't think we differ "that" much in our understanding on the issue at hand, I think we both have just highlighted many parts of what is undeniably, a multifaceted problem!
I do not disagree in itself with your point on identity and psychology vs my assertion of culture; I think perhaps like me you might come to realise that culture is for the most part, the basis of identity and therefore psychological stability. For without culture men at both the individual and collective level of consciousness will have nothing to identify with (as per what we have already spoken of in prior posts)... And if we have little to identify with, then our social cohesion with other men breaks down - as per the rampant individualism that neo-lib/neo-con ideology has brought to us - and we therefore grow up without having been taught *how* and *what* being a *MAN* truly is!
To that degree, I, like you, share more of a sympathy to us all, none of us (myself included) have really been taught the virtues of manhood by our parents! This is where the cycle of degeneration (emasculation) begins; as our links between our "tribal brothers" are lost, we have no real figures to look up to, we therefore do not grow into true men, and our women are equally as neglected by their mothers in the ways of womanhood. The women (like in our time) come to despise this weakness in their men, whilst of course not really having any true femininity to offer these men in the first place either... The state takes the place of parents and "tribe" (or in the context of civilisation, our local community) and molds us with doctrines like feminism and general cultural Marxist "PC" culture which aims to completely destroy any trace of masculinity. It truly is a horrible state of affairs... (more)
Then as you have correctly said already, these newly formed, vapid flesh cucks that are born out of the ruins of manhood, suffer from a great dissonance... They want to get laid, but they see their women prancing around with programmed slogans like "strong and independant" and other such Culturally Marxist nebula's of dissonance-based, mental (and sexual) sophistry; these guys then, lacking in any greater sense of identity beyond their clothes and brand of phone, haven't the self-esteem to question why it is these girls are running around like self-entitled "Queen o' Shiva" narcissists... They just wanna get laid right?
So they stick on those skinny jeans, wax their bodies, and go forward to "charm" these girls with their easy disposabiliity... For the women also haven't the self esteem to actually bother challenging (and encouraging) men to be *MEN*, they haven't the feminine qualities to offer a *MAN* anyhow...
So we see this same process of degeneracy just spiral (like the chick in my take) out of control till we reach mass-populace demographics. At this point I would still share the pity you also have for these fuckwits... But the catch 21 about the modern man is that he knows he's weak, he knows he's a vapid little boy who never was taught how to be a man...
But he comes to despise this weakness within himself to the point at which he then rejects all personal accountability (for that is another virtue, right?) and severs all ties with any Noble, Ubermensch endeavours that he may have had. Then when a fellow man comes along who appears to be aspiring to become a better version of himself, his internal weakness and fragility triumphs, and stirs within him an intense *LOATHING* of that better man...
This is where, from vast personal experience, I have come to *hate* them more than they do us who wish to improve ourselves. They *choose* to treat Noble Men (or those who aspire to it) with complete malice and contempt...
They wallow in the degeneracy...
And by wallowing in such degeneracy, he continues to compound, exacerbate and perpetuate it. They wish to compete with such a man on the "sexual marketplace", and even the untermensch women are likely all heavily attracted to this "Noble Man" - again my take already outlined what happens with the women, and how the degeneracy in both genders just feeds into itself.
I could sit here all night long lecturing you on the history of (((those))) who have come to inseminate such a brutal destruction of us men and women, and our native cultures, and (((how))) they have come to power in our lands. But I blame ourselves more, we all have choices to make, and many "men" and "women" must take accountability for their actions...
When the time comes of the Great Collapse (Wall Street Crash-style, but worse), these people will become highly dangerous, for their weaknesses undermine the efforts of those better than them to create a better culture and society.
I hope this helps you to understand that my point about culture, and yours about identity and psychology, are not contrary to one another, but are actually a part of the same answer.
I must stress that whatever I may personally identify with in terms of masculinity, as an image, is not what I aim to push onto every other guy. Nor do I rank men by the extent to which their projected images convey "masculine energy"; the one and only true condition of ascertaining the essence of manhood is not about where we're coming from (for this civilisation offers us nothing anyway, we are *ALL* essentially bare of any virtues from the start)... *but about whether or not we wish to enhance ourselves, and if so, just how far a man is willing to go*.
I stand firm on my point about this being a culture war (which impacts identity and psychology), and certainly do aim to promote masculine institutions, for this is the first step in gaining back some ground on said culture war.
"Institutions" in the strict, dictionary sense of the definition, you could argue are "self-serving" - within civilisation any institution is about fundamentally promoting the ideals of the nation-state, not the nation or tribe.
But when I use the term here I do not speak of such politicised institutions, but of an organic social one. And if it is catered towards (re) building a common identity among a group of men of the same tribe, then it is ultimately about the betterment of the collective in-group, rather than the individual, and therefore the furthest thing from self-serving.
It has to be a cultural movement too, for it would be utterly ridiculous and hypocritical of me, if all I aimed to do was to sit a bunch of men down in a classroom to discuss "how to be ubermensch" for a couple hours a week, within the confines of artificial and arbitrary hierarchies that, like modern civilisation and its institutions does (to repress us!) in the first place...
I think to prevent me from bloating out this reply anymore, let me supplement this with a quote from Nietzsche himself:
"All that has been done on earth against "the nobles," the "mighty," the "overlords," ... is as nothing compared to what the Jews did against them: the Jews, that priestly people who were only able to obtain satisfaction against their enemies and conquerors through a radical revaluation of the latter’s values, that is, by an act of the most spiritual revenge. ... It was the Jews who... dared to invert the aristocratic value-equation... saying "the wretched alone are the good ones, the poor, the helpless, the lowly... and you who are powerful and noble are to all eternity the evil ones."
- Beyond Good and Evil, Friedrich Nietzsche
Woe, why must it be that the blessed are cursed to be amongst the cursed and the cursed blessed to be among the blessed? (Sign) I lament that all I ever encounter is flesh cucks, sissies and imbeciles... And a fun and enlightening time is both fleeting and windowed.
Well, first I'd like to say two things.
First, I do not think I could come to disagree with you. Bruce Lee once said "If you put 1000 students in a room, they will only disagree at everything. Put 1000 masters in a room and they will agree at everything" It would suggest to me further that there is only one truth but several ways to get to it.
Second, it is quite a delight to hear and read of your words. They are in excellent form and bountiful. It's like biting into the finest of fruit, it's satisfying and nourishing.
So, I feel I was mistaken in that I degraded the aspect of culture in which you later corrected. You are correct, they are one in the same and I put too much emphasis on the callous notion of politics. Or that is what I initially had in mind. Certainly, in culture you can find the origins in psychology and the origins of psychology in culture. They alter in form but only in size to ratio to when it is observed.
Where I would like to tie some knots (I hope I am using that expression in proper context) is that we both exult things like responsibility, accountability, authenticity, we recoognize the psychological aspects, the cultural aspects, and I wanted to bring up their relationship with these plagiarized beliefs like Marxism. (I mean plagiarized because I have not studied marxism and I am sure the common summary of it is likely false and borrowed) I'd also like to attache what kind of institution, as you mention, that I would feel is neccessary.
What many of those things we bring up have in common is adherence to truth, not just honesty but truth, which is inextricable from reality. To take responsibility and accountability is to first look inward then to articulate and draw conceptuality from our own being, as well as conceptuality of the observable outer world. What people do in life is internalise stories as experiencial truths, people sum up the whole of existence through the stories we adhere to. We do so because we are very archaic. While one might think we create new faculties within our being to adapt with the world, we instead only have a limited matrix of which we build ontop of in order to suit our needs to adaptation. It is like how we will wear a glove, we are restrained to having hands and cannot grow extra limbs but we can attach new mods onto ourselves. Our minds originated in esssence to percieve concepts, notions, through our subconscious. In our imagination lies a vast landscape of infinity that we perpetually evolve and alter by substantiating more and more data into our matrix of beliefs. When things do not logically fit into our beliefs we omit them through forgetfulness. These beliefs are transparent to our conscious mind, we only chip off the segments we can in order to explain our circumstances, yet they are often skewed and distorted from what is our greater inner knowledge.
What makes great people, isn't in adapting or conforming into image of the external realm, by fitting and conforming into an idealogy, which an idealogy is just a tyranical king of which those who dissent from its rule of law are exterminated. Men become men, women women, the truth the truth, by externalising truth from the inner self. The hero isn't neccessarily a certain form like a warrior or a king, it is instead the embodiment of truth made real by embodiment through ones own self cultivation. By becoming in union with oneself, exploring the vistas of the spiritual realm and drawing concepts from the intangible unreality of the imagination and bringing the world of darkness into light. Its in a way to ritualise our being into an external presence. We make art not for the sake of art, but to take that of which impresses our mind and cycle it back into existence.
What these plagiarized beliefs are, they are attempts to blanket the external world so that the internal world doesn't need to embrace the follies and sufferings of within. These idealogies, are not organic, they are spiteful attempts to pilfer the minds of others into helpless illusions. These idealogies then become empires, not of solid physical realms but mental prisons like hell that people willingly embrace as a means of escaping reality. Little do they realise what devils lurk in hell.
So, when it comes to institutions we find the empires of heaven vs hell, as I would put it. We find those who worship deciet and wickedness vs those who worship truth, those of which are in harmony with existence and not opposed to it. The insitutions that I would like to see are these same primevil establishments set corrected. Where manliness is synonomous with righteous man and unmanliness is synonymous with wickedness. In establishing righteousness, what I find is in order is that our censored expression and communionship with reality and the influences that pass through our essence are allowed to be restored so that our perception may be genuine and absolute, whereas the evils we see today are nothing more than self deceptions pronulgated by evil people whom have forsaken the holiness of their own existence by cow towing to the deceptions and oppressors that fill our external world.
Like I recall, the fear of god is the hatred of evil. It is this hatred towards these cucks you mention. Its the acknowledgement of evil.
That said, the route to establishing such a vision can only be through heros and messiahs. The ones whom grasp the power of imagination and can weave stories into reality.
Indeed! Bruce Lee was a very wise, and *EXTREMELY* gifted man in his physical feats - he's a great example of what man can do when he pushes himself, when he continues to self-improve all the time... That is essentially the Ubermensch Ideal!
I think the best way I can give you a synopsis of what "Cultural Marxism" is, where it comes from, and whether or not it has achieved to do what it set out do is by saying this:
Cultural Marxism was "invented" by Jewish-Zionist-Marxist revolutionaries in the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory (or its formal name was in German, the "Frankfurt Institute of Social Research"), they were at their most hegemonic before the rise of Hitler, and soon fled when the Third Reich was first established.
They aimed to synthesis Marx' work with other major anti-European thinkers from predominately within a 2-300 year time frame from their time. In as short as I could possibly explain, they set out to instigate a "Neo-Marxist" revolution in other European nations, but not by the direct spilling of blood as seen in Russia in 1917, rather by infiltrating all social, cultural, political and economic institutions within the given Gentile Nation. They would change the fabrics of the nations culture and identity, revising its history to fit a new narrative, changing its political climate (namely for accepting more immigrants from other continents), and slam the population with as much propaganda as was humanly possible, to socially reengineer the population and it's way's of thinking and, frankly, existing.
There is a great many (Jewish) names involved in this school, and many who fled from Germany in WWII went on to become the academic leaders of countries like America, Canada, Britain and so on. I'd suggest first looking up Antonio Gramsci's Prison Notes - he was arrested in Mussolini's Italy under Hitler's orders. Here's a video that should get you started:
This takes me on to the wider point here
Now that you've been given a snapshot of where I'm coming from, you now might be able to truly understand the importance of what the term "Culture War" truly means, and how it has built up a spiritual mind-matrix around men and women in the western world - of which is a disease spreading across East Asian nations now too.
You elaborate on in good detail about how man must need to reflect and "inflect" upon oneself, in order to ascertain a greater spiritual degree of consciousness. I detect a lot of Buddhist methodologies here ;) . And I think this is the absolute crux of your question; it is modern mans current inability to understand (let alone alter) his own state of internal being, for his mental and spiritual faculties have been barraged by the mind trickery of a highly sophisticated, but evil (((culture war))) that has been expounded upon him by a tribe of people with an ancient agenda against us.
Much of (((their))) abilities to confuse and confound the minds of average men and women come from their adoption of ancient and highly mystic forms of knowledge about the human condition. If you wish to better understand where this knowledge comes from, or rather, takes form in, then you should also read up on Kabbalah - what we see in both organised religion, as well as gnostic/pagan cultures, is symbolic forms of science for the life force/s that drive our existence and our abilities; be they sexual or advance cognition, they have an incredible understanding as to how to manipulate others...
For we have been switched off and deracinated from the culture and knowledge of our ancestors... (((They))) haven't...
And finally, your points what values inherent to masculinity that should be exalted can be summed up in two words: Honour Codes.
I know I've already explained on this a bit in much earlier replies, but to briefly revisit:
The reason the advent of Civilisation upon our barbarian ancestors is so seminal to understanding the plight of modern man, is that we have had imposed upon us, through foreign desert religions and their values (Judaeo-Christianity and Islam) the destruction of the Laws of Nature, with the Laws of Man.
We have replaced the ancient bond of Blood & Soil, with the "Social Contract" - man does not value honour or integrity anymore, he has no tribe, kin or soil to truly identify with anymore, now he is an emasculated coward that values only the wrath of the Courts of Law - and their foot-soldiers, the Police.
If we wish to fully restore masculinity, we must seek to restore the idea of Blood and Soil. If we are to restore Blood and Soil, we must expel the weak degenerates from our blood and start anew.
We must encourage, strength, courage, mastery and... well... honour. We must seek to root out weakness (being weak and having a weakness are two different things: being weak means you don't want to improve, having a weakness means you aim to improve), and exalt only the virtues of the Ubermensch Ideal.
This I fear, would greatly reduce the global population by billions. There are too many placid, dishonourable consumerists in todays world, who seek nothing but material comfort and pleasure, and will step on each other like *RATS* to get to it...
These people deserve no salvation...
Oh, this is a good talk. It slightly gets my blood boiling. These damned men playing with fire straight out of the depths of hell. Even if it is of good intentions, the realisation of how dangerous these acts are infuriate me.
Although, they do occupy the reigns to dictate this power, it is like the right of kings here. One can only contend for hegemony to disperse justice. Ugh... then I am disparaged in regret in not solidifying my own ambitions to counter this.
I feel like what is needed is a thourough comprehensive strategy aimed at analyzing the nature of influencial forces at play here, investigation towards all relevant influencial forces yet not come into play, a critique of the opposition... Hell we just need a lot of work...
This idea of blood and soil is essential. However as it stands it needs refinement. Because the imagery of the words themselves have in them some negative influence. The association with barbarism and brutish hyper masculine behaviours is one thing. I ofcoarse understand what it is you actually mean when you speak of this notion and do not suggest these things at all.. However, our minds already are embedded with the impression of what I've stated. Whereas we want to exploit the rudimentary essence of valor and nobility of the unadulterated man, the conveyance of such an idea must eliminate the stigmas that breach its conception. Whereas if we mention such an idea it will impress on the popular mind fearful emotion, just to calibrate such a notion for dissemination would require everything outside of it's walls to be combatted, not by means of violence, but by impression. To undo every last vestige of the savage ideal we have cast. How that is conducted in phases and methodology I am yet uncertain.
Even these words we use to convey these ideas are barraged with impression. Even the word honour is associated to negative elements that cause suspicion. In becoming popular we would have to strike the imagination of the masses in such a way that the are put into a frenzy fighting for some noble cause to eradicate the evils opposing our ideals. We would need some serious firepower in otherwords.
What the marxists have or are trying to achieve is to create a blank slate. They are removing those forces which confine our imagination and the powers within them. By eliminating our history and knowledge as to more easily insert theyre own over arching grand genesis tale. This ofcoarse is not possible to an absolute. The mind is a creature of itself. We can only hope to trick it time from time into following our direction. This is what boils my blood is that this marxism has essentially promulgated forces into our imagination that I don't think are containable. These stories of the bourgeoisie and proletariat rob humanity of so much there is too realisation. Our predeccessors, our religions were far greater in supporting our ideals. However, this is also a boon. If I am correctly suspicious, marxism could have been intentionally designed to fail. Or at least its popular coding. Because once it fails solutions like the hygelian dialectic can be applied. Masses would eat up anything after geing disillusioned from marxist plights and folklore. I think anyone has foot in that game if they know how to play the game.
One thing is for sure. We may as well take advantage of the crisis and exploit this crashing fantasy for our own uses. Id suggest that in later times you and I work our rhetoric into salvaging what remnents this old dragon has to offer. By using some old fairy tales as a platform to build on top of. Or at least in other ways coopting the folk lore that is already in effect over the popular mind.
by the way yeah buddhist origins. I practiced Zen buddhism for many years.