Why The MGTOW Is Growing

[YvanKarma]

Boys in last 30–40 years were raised with the following words - be nice to girls, be a good person, respect women, protect them, don’t overstep your boundaries, remain healthy and one day, you’ll be in a relationship. The problem is that despite doing all that, many young men end up very unsuccessful with the opposite sex.

Most young men fail to get a girlfriend for long stretches of time, many stay virgins way past what society tells is “normal” and even after improving themselves by quite a lot, they still fail at being attractive.

They think “wait a minute, I did everything right. I’m a nice guy, I respected women, I never overstepped my boundaries, I went to the gym five times a week and I have a university degree, why do I still fail to get any attention from women?”

And then they see pictures like the one above.

They see that, in reality, your physical appearance matters and almost no amount of treating women nicely will increase your attractiveness. In fact, “nice guy” is now an insult.

They also see how almost all girls complain how their ex-boyfriend was this complete boor, this controlling, cheating, rude, mean person that maybe even abused them physically, maybe even sexually, but yet go back to them or go for the same type of guys.

“so, wait, I’m a fairly decent guy, I don’t abuse or disrespect women, I would never cheat or hit a girl, yet girls don’t want me but sleep with the guy that beats and cheats on them?”

This realization can hurt quite a lot and men usually blame the people that created that illusion and the women that rejected them.

When that happens, things can become very extreme.

It all becomes this grand conspiracy to keep decent men down while women go around screwing “Chads” as MGTOW often calls the type of sexually-attractive boors described earlier.

There are other big problems, like huge divorce rates that favor women, the fact these unattractive men are so often disrespected, mocked, and sacrificed by society. Similarly to feminism, the people who were dealt a bad hand in this arrangement are going to be angry, probably justifiably so.

Many of these men probably see other issues.

Divorce rates are quite high in today’s world, which means many of the men who make up MGTOW have to have been children of divorce. They probably saw their fathers broken. They certainly knew men that were robbed, humiliated and left alone after a nasty divorce that was just “no fault”. Meaning these men did nothing wrong, yet were chewed up and spat out. And in 70% of the cases, it’s the wife that initiates the divorce.

MGTOWs themselves probably felt loneliness, depression and sadness in the face of society’s total indifference and even outright mockery to their suffering. Maybe they had suicidal thoughts and saw that about 80% of self-killings are carried out by men, despite the media mostly portraying beautiful women killing themselves. 13 Reason Why wouldn’t have been so popular if the main theme was a pimply male nerd suicide.

All of that bottles up and leads to anger.

And the only people addressing these issues right now are MGTOW. Donald Trump isn’t talking about it, even though many of the MGTOW men supported him in 2016. In fact, he’s talking about advancing women way more. And I’m not even going to talk about the way the feminist Left-wing portrays MGTOW, but the usual theme is to compare them to school shooters, pimply nerds and losers.

So, why is MGTOW growing?

Because all of these problems are only getting worse and worse. Anyone that addresses them is labeled a misogynist, a Nazi, a right-winger, a loser and so on. And sooner or later, when you’re shoving men into the societal underground, they’ll form their own little clubhouse and they’ll say “fuck off” to everything you ask of them. The whole name means “Men Going Their Own Way”.

That’s MGTOW in a nutshell - men telling society to fuck off.

[Anonymous]

I know i'll catch flak for this but i think this actually many issues tied together. I'm going to start off blaming women (sorry ladies) but it's not entirely your fault. With the collapse of the family structure you have a lot of women that grow up without strong male figures on their life (a dad) their mom unmarried or divorced or what you sleeps with one John after the next. The whole time the daughter is witness to all of this and soaking it in like a sponge. It's no wonder she grows up to be like mom. But when she reaches womanhood she has no idea what a quality man looks like. Once again she has no strong male role model in her life. So she latches on to what she thinks is a man. Chads as you called them lol. Rather than being his one and only as he tells her. Overtime she learns she's his 1 in 50. Maybe she's smart enough to cut her losses right then and there but some are foolish enough to stick around and think she can change him ( we all know how that turns out lol) so after she finally concedes and gives up she goes looking for another man. But the problem is she may have learned little to nothing from this experience. Some women wise up fast, some women wise up slow, some women... never wide up and will repeat this pattern for their entire life
But the one thing all these women will do. Is they'll repeatedly reject one quality man after the next. Because what would be good for them just looks dull.
Yes MGTOW is getting worse because society is getting worse. Women complain about the impossible beauty standards set by models. Well that has spilled over into men. Men feel presured to look perfect too now. In addition to having a a good social standing, a good income, and having a great personality. And here's the kicker, the guy could have all that and still she could decide " oh, i'm just not into him anymore".
I'm not MGTOW in the sense that i've given up on women. I just know the odds of finding one that is NOT toxic is against me. So i've just given up on stressing about it.

[Anonymous]

I’m MGTOW cause I’m done with society telling me I’m toxic just for being male and the media going along and encouraging shaming and spreading anti male propaganda

[nerms123]

I totally support mgtow and I think there should be wgtows too. Obviously the old systems weren’t working or they wouldn’t have broken down so catastrophically. However loads of people are still doing the traditional thing so I guess it works for them but people should at least have options on how they want to live their lives.

[YvanKarma]

there always have been a wgtows. before mgtow. its called the "im a strong independent woman that dont need no man" :) lol

[nerms123]

😂😂😂 yeah I guess as long as they are happy with that but it seems like a lot of those are just sour grapes cases

[YvanKarma]

yeah it seems like it

[sotaforlife]

true

[Stardread]

Hmm. Not sure if mgtow to wgtow translates well. Men have a legitimate reason for this. Women not so much. The old systems aren't working anymore because women wanted to go to work and become "strong and independent". Let's not get into all the issues that arose from this, however. The systems broke down because our morals have dropped to almost nothing and our bonds together are weaker than ever. But there is hope. MGTOW exists for us gents because of all the crap we must deal with. I mean really, how can the issues of women compare? This notion of wgtow will get you laughed at by men. I'd say the same is true in reverse, but as I said the differences are legitimate. While everyone has the literal god given right to make our own choices the consequences are still there. I believe that as men we have indeed failed in one particular area that has fed all this stupidity that we are dealing with today. Men refused to let women suffer for their own actions. Thus half our race has been going through life thinking consequences are trivial and goes away because of "how I feel about it".

[DizzyDesii]

Its sad and scary. I hope they find a girl who appreciates them and doesn't make them feel belittled to the point where they join this shit

[YvanKarma]

It is sad, and scary. Because society does need men. Women that say "who needs men anyways"well, i can tell you that you do need men. Maybe not for sex, or relationship or whatever, but sooner or later they are will realize.

[DizzyDesii]

I used to like a “challenge” and wanna take an mgtow and show em some love to make em change but I've given up on the challenges these days. And yea I don't know if i need a guy but i do “want” one. I just say i dont “need” one because i can survive without one. I just dont prefer to want to be without one. Men make life entertaining for me and they love like no other. I’d never be with a woman. Its either be with a man or be by my dang self

[YvanKarma]

Yeah, everything is so messed up right now lol

[DWD1994]

I'm mgtow. i still date, but there's no way in hell I'm ever marrying

[Insomnia72]

@YvanKarma
Did you leave me a comment response? I don't see it.

[sejla]

I don't think much has changed when it comes to attractiveness winning out since the 70s when I was a teenager and young adult. It was the same for men and women. The beautiful/handsome people could pick and choose and usually like physical attractiveness stayed together. Average looking people just had less opportunities. I was one of the average women.

Post Note: With age the average woman can look quite attractive when some of the beautiful women start not looking as great.

The divorce rate is higher because we don't have the stigma any more. I used to see a lot of very angry middle aged adults sticking it out in sexless bitter marriages because it was the right thing to do according to their religion. One of my friends' parents literally scared me they would like a powder keg and you didn't know exactly when they were going to blow. They did this low intense verbal thing that scared more than if they screamed. Setting a cooler in the kitchen after a day at the beach could start one of those horrific anger things.

On the divorce court thing I don't know. I split everything down the middle in the house and packed all his stuff nicely because he had to work. I was trying to be decent. I was planning on a separation not a divorce. Year and a half later I filed for the divorce paid for his side and my side of the divorce because he said he didn't have the money. Didn't file for alimony and cut him a deal on child support and didn't make him pay for any of our daughter's medical expenses. If I had filed for alimony he'd been living in a tin can.

I don't think it is any worse than before just people don't communicate any more. No talking on the phone, emailing, texting everyone so when real conversations and conflicts come up people don't know how to deal with it. People feel disconnected so bitterness settles in. It isn't rocket science that as we disconnect from each other in communities people are going to start to have a rejected feeling and an us versus them mentality.

It takes a lot not to get sucked into the negativity and thinking that the opposite sex isn't that great. Personally I think men bring a lot to the table and I'm not going to change my thinking because of angry, bitter men or women.

[sejla]

It's the under the breath or subtle sniping from men that's so irritating. I hear it but what am I supposed to do with those comments? It's like being a bit of a punching bag for their underlying bitterness.

[sejla]

I meant SOME men not all men.

[Robertcw]

I wonder if it isn't marriage that's the real lie. I mean, think about this. Marriage is nothing but a legal formalization which imposes court sanctioned bindings. That's really bizarre.

Why do any of the legal restrictions? I'm all for 'marrying' and celebrating the ceremony of two people vowing to each other -- but leave the government out of it. I don't need my personal life regulated by courts.

In my opinion, not getting married in the legal way would prevent all the issues of marriage. I would prefer to have a wedding ceremony that does not satisfy the legal requirements of marriage so that we are not officially married according to the state. But we are 'married' according to I guess ourselves, and friends and family members. That way if there is ever a split up, okay. We can settle it.

But here's the thing. Some would argue that court enforced laws are important, but it is these very laws which are biased against men. And that's a big problem.

Alimony doesn't really make sense anymore today when women under 29 make more than men under 29. And women are graduating college faster than men. Chances are the mom will make more money than the dad and so the people should simply pay their bills. If someone needs to pay for kids, then pay for them -- whichever parent that is doesn't matter if they're both single parents.

[Robertcw]

Probably a good reason to only have kids with reasonable people. Honestly, the only way a court would help anything related to a breakup with children is an unreasonable person.

But if you're making vows I think it's he really dumb to bot make sure they are reasonable people. But I guess it just depends on the person. Maybe someone is unreasonable themselves and they need someone who can relate to them I don't know.

[Sleevy]

Mgtow is growing due to lack in trust. For the last 30 + years men and boys have witnessed the way fathers are treated (ever take a girl to the hospital from injury? Well the nurses treat you like an asshole, then doctors show up and assume you are beating her, then the police show up and your Duluthed and questioned repeatedly to establish you violent nature. Or were told to move on flights if you happen to be seated next to a kid, since all men are predators and pedos. And throughout you years you see friends an coworker get financially destoyed by divorce rape, lose thier kids because the female attorney tells your x to file an assault so you now have a history of violence. By By Kids and since the law doesn’t enforce the visitations you do have but she won’t let you. But miss child support since your broke and off to jail you go. I could go on and on. But the all boiled down to women are to great a risk, it’s just not worth it. Now I know ladies that you will say “not all women are like that. The problem is in that no man goes into a relationship or Marriage with knowledge that in 7 years you wife is going to destroy you. They all say “she’s different she would never do that. Unfortunately 50% + will be wrong and destroying men. There is nothing sadder then a 40+ year old man living in Barracks or back in with Dad since your broke and what money you do have goes to support. Then.. we’ll I would keep going but frankly there is just to much out there destroying men then I could write. MGTOW, well that’s just smart. And it is only going to get worse. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

[MzAsh]

The main problem I see that you’ve illustrated yet failed to mention is the entitlement that a man accumulates when he thinks he’s done everything right. There are never any guarantees in life other than that you will die someday. If a man thinks that because he did everything right then it will promise him a woman then his ability to truly connect with one goes completely out the window.

[confusedrepeatedly]

That's true but any women who does everything right and many who mess up still get a man still lose their virginity before 25 while I'm not saying your entitled to things its definitely a statistically abnormal situation no?

[MzAsh]

Sure but it shouldn’t be a competition.

[confusedrepeatedly]

Correct but men feel threatened when they are told everything they are is bec they were born w a cock now ik the sounds very GOT but it's true ik I dont like it when people assume things about me bec I'm a guy the same way girls shouldn't have to deal w people expecting things bec they're a girl however the feminist movement has only been focusing on girls when it should be focusing on both feminism means equality of genders it doesn't mean female equality when men see no movements really care about them they react and not always in the most intelligent way

[Lliam]

That was a thoughtful My Take, Yvan.
The only thing I wonder about is what kind of girls are these MGTOW guys looking for? What are their standards? Are they limiting their options? Because I doubt if there is a shortage of nice girls out there who aren't looking for a "chad". Claiming that sounds like an excuse. Are these guys looking for female "chads"?

I also have a hard time blaming feminism. How is equal rights and equal opportunity for women harming men? Granted, some feminists are complete ass holes, but hey, join the club. Lots of men are also complete ass holes. Women who want equal rights aren't automatically misandrists. The majority of women like men and want a relationship. Maybe they just aren't as likely to put up with domineering douche bags who long for the pre-1960 "good ol' days" when women were supposed to act like Stepford Wives. Maybe they aren't into the fundamentalist religious notion idea that they should submit to men's dominance.

[sejla]

I think the problem is that they have nothing to compare it too. Men see women having pretty much what they have now and don't see the need for any more changes but that is the cleaned up version because back decades ago women could get fired for getting pregnant and sexual harassment was more prevalent on the job.

Going back to the good old days might not be the greatest with the racism, low wages for women and the majority of the income having to come from the husband. Now in most households both partners help but back in the 60s that wasn't true. So if some of these men think it is hard paying for a date I don't know how they could handle carrying the full weight.

[Lliam]

Right on, sejla.
I admit that I don't know what the atmosphere is like for young men these days. But from the time I was 16 years old, I never had trouble getting girlfriends. And that continued until I was 40 years old when I decided to get married. So I have trouble understanding the poor me attitude.

[chc0009]

Why not? Women have become increasingly privileged and they always want more and more. Some men aren't going to take it anymore and don't want to share their wealth with some THOT who just wants to take and not contribute.

Women always want to have their cake and eat it too. They go for the thugs and bad boys when they're young. Then when their beauty starts to fade, they go for the "nice guys" to take care of them.

Modern feminism isn't about equality anymore, it's about professional victimhood. They want the rights without the responsibilities. They want CEO pay without doing CEO work. They want it all.

Stuff like this makes me wonder why the human species has to be dimorphic. Why can't we become self-fertilizing like the plants?

[NerdInDenial]

It's a misunderstanding that MGTOW is a political movement, and it has an agenda or it's telling society to fuck off. There is no political agenda; that would be the Men's Rights Activist (MRA). There are stages of living this lifestyle. There's denial and anger because of the current relationship between men and women; but, many MGTOWs do not hate women. They just are vocal about pointing the instinctive behaviors, often negative behaviors, that women act. Because they are vocal, people, especially women, have an issue with the lifestyle. The ultimate goal is to find peace through oneself and learn to overcome the instinctive natures to want validation and the natural desires to be in a relationship.

[bigconan]

I learned a long time ago, not to give a shit about women, their feelings... in fact, I have on occasion been purposely rude and aggressive, and was more successful getting chicks... once you get that down... you're set... stop giving a shit about women... they are nothing... they are put on this planet for men... if one doesn't like you. who cares... move on to the next one... if you eat a bad strawberry, find another one... there are thousands... it's all a huge game... lie, cheat, do whatever you have to do... and I have... I've lied about my age, my profession... literally everything... and I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever... my attitude was born years ago, when girls ignored me like the plague, and I developed anger and dislike towards them... this anger actually helped me... cause once you no longer care what they think... you'll be better off.

[confusedrepeatedly]

I'm a guy if I'm sheltered I don't know wth mgtow is but I think that besides all the issues mentioned Male "privilege " is also an issue telling guys that everything you are is bec of your gender and has nothing to do w you as an individual isn't constructive

[Bananaman177]

Men rise up.

[YvanKarma]

lmao!! naniiiiiii

[Bananaman177]

[YvanKarma]

lmao!!!

[Bananaman177]

[davidj555]

Its pretty simple, Why put in more effort for a women then they would for me? In this generation everyone's insecure , cheating is prominent, and LTRs are becoming more a thing of the past. And mostly from my experience women tend to be entitled and narcissistic. They have dead personalities and filter through most dudes. At what point does it stop becoming worth it?
Just my opinion though

[DWornock]

Almost all young women chase after the hottest guys that will fuck them and reject the less attractive guys within their league that would marry them. In a recent poll, women believe 80% of the men are average and below. Therefore, since guys fuck down but don't marry down, average looking guys don't have much chance to date young women within their league.

[Anonymous]

Feminism and MGTOW are just two sides of the same divisive, hate fueled, victim minded coin. The difference is that MGTOW is just a reaction to feminism, and would literally disappear if feminism went away.

Because of feminism society today is very gynocentric and gives very little attention to male needs or issues. That's why MGTOW exists. It's not the answer, but it's understandable given the circumstances.

The answer is to kill the root issue, which is feminism.

[confusedrepeatedly]

Is feminism an issue now? Please define what you call feminism bec what I suspect your referring to is something resembling what's called feminazism

[Opinion Owner]

@confusedrepeatedly There is no distinction between feminism and "feminazism". The latter is just a scapegoat used by feminists to relieve them of responsibility for the shit in their own house.

[confusedrepeatedly]

So you disagree w the definition of feminism of equality between genders?

[Opinion Owner]

@confusedrepeatedly That's not what feminism is about. The reality of feminism today bears no resemblance whatsoever to the dictionary definition. Feminism is as feminism does, and what feminism has been doing over the last decade is despicable.

[confusedrepeatedly]

What despicable things has feminism done

[DWD1994]

Im gonna stop you right there.

Feminism and MGTOW aren't 2 sides of the same coin. Not even close. Feminists regularly push for legislation that hurts men, in addition to harassing and bullying men attending events focused on mens issues, as well as sending death threats and doxing people (mainly men) that they disagree with.

MGTOW's literally just make youtube videos, that's it.

[confusedrepeatedly]

That's called feminazis are you telling me every feminist (feminist definition:someone who believes in equality between the two genders) does things like that?
You say feminazis is a scape goat? What gives credence to that idea bec again you can just say every feminist is a feminazi that's just not true
Mgtows just makes YouTube videos sure I have no idea but no one really knows about them feminazis or not at least they get their points heard

[confusedrepeatedly]

If you truly believe that every single feminist is a feminazi@opinion owner you've led an ignorant life

[Opinion Owner]

@confusedrepeatedly You seem to be repeatedly confused about what feminism actually is.

[confusedrepeatedly]

@Opinion owner you dont seem to get any distinction between feminism and feminazis do you truly believe there's no difference?

[Opinion Owner]

@confusedrepeatedly The feminiazi is just a scapegoat used by feminist so they can blame someone else for their own gynocentrism and sexism.

[confusedrepeatedly]

Ok so you essentially say anyone who identifies as feminist which literally means wants equality for all genders is a bad person /feminazi

[Opinion Owner]

@confusedrepeatedly Feminism today bears no resemblance to the dictionary definition you speak of. Certainly you are honest enough to see that, no?

[confusedrepeatedly]

Do I think the majority of people embrace a false misguided interpretation of feminism no do I think there is a huge minority who call themselves feminists who aren't being true to that definition and are trying to raise woman above man absolutely

[EduPrestes]

We men say "leave me alone and in peace" rather than "fuck off". We don''t hate the society, we still want to work, get money, be useful, travel, make sports, buy things... Some indeed still want women, but some don't. I'm 55 years old and in my case, I think modern women are a wast of tome and effort. I choose the "monk mode", or live without relationship, and without cheating, troubles, arguments, loss of money and goods (my house)... Women, specially feminists ones, are becoming more and more a problem in men"s lives, and nobody want an extra problem. Better alone.

[Insomnia72]

What kind of girls did you approach throughout your life? Were they 10s, 9s?

[YvanKarma]

this is not about me. But even average and below average girls have these unrealistic standards that want 9s and 10s

[Mrblooo]

Because it sounds good to me what they stand for but I'm not s hundred percent about MGTOW but so far so good 👍👍

[LogicBomber]

This is 100% true which is why the children will do everything to silence you.

[Bman4907]

I'm just tired of being treated like shit by someone because they got a raw deal somewhere in life.

[October808]

Sorry but that guy looks like a gay Superman.

[BluesheepOwl]

Sounds good. Good take.

[Rangers]

Girl's standards are meme worthy, that's a big one