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"men have undergone less".
Alright then I say next time there's a war let's send ONLY women to fight and die in a ditch. Sure because women are so strong and independent.
Men! Who needs them complete waste of oxygen.
As a man i will say this is a great my take whether you agree or not. It sparks debate. I happen to agree. As a modern man i want a partner who does it all with me. And in bed i want us to share in Dominant and submissiveNess too.
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Yes. Exactly right. This is why i refuse to do any housework. Its not for men. My girlfriend does 100%. But i also do all the man stuff 100% like work or fix things at the house.
Modern women are completely useless... unless they want to give me money. Seriously thats all they are good for. They aren't even that great for sex because they are busy at work all day. My girlfriend is available 24/7 for sex and is never too tired from working a long day at a stressful job.
If women can have careers and provide for there families, work for the government, be in the military, be police and firefighter, and do all those things that were considered a "man's job" all while being women, wives, mother and clean the house, then men can clean the house, take care of the kids, and cook while being men, fathers, husbands, and work. Women are breaking the standards of what women can do and proving there are no longer "man's job" except for fatherhood and being a husband. It's neutral ground and denying it won't get you anywhere.
@Wheresthebooze Smh. There are men that do all that stuff. They are single and sit home alone because women don't want them. You simultaneously want a man who is strong dominant a boss at work makes a good income fixes things at the house protects you when there is a bump in the night, yet also cooks cleans and cares for the kids. This exists only in between unicorns and leprechauns on the shelf called make believe.
Women mostly choose the masculine man. So why would any guy with a brain choose to do all that woman stuff just so women don't like him? LOL
What is so feminine about cooking and doing laundry? Everyone needs to cook and wash their clothes, regardless if you’re a man or a woman. What is so masculine about earning a living to pay rent? Everyone pays rent , regardless male or female. These are the most basic natural things you need to do in order to survive. Most men do housework and clean and cook because they have to. Most women work nowadays. Women who are 30 years old and never worked a single day of her life is looked down upon in society
People need to get out of this masculine or feminine roles. Because there is no such thing as a masculine or feminine job. These are jobs that everyone needs to do.
Cooking is The most basic ability to nourish oneself, why would you leave this to someone else? A man who doesn’t know how to cook or clean is handicapped.
A man who thinks that raising kids is a woman’s job is a sign he will be an incapable father and there’s no way I will even considering having kids with a man like that
I don’t know why anyone would think that a woman wouldn’t get kicked out by her landlord for no paying rent , just cuz she is female.
Or that a mans clothes wouldn’t stick just cus he is too manly to do laundry.
Folks who are incapable of surviving and taking care of themselves, should not be responsible for children
@nelly83 no not everyone needs to pay rent. Housewives do not pay rent. They have a husband who pays it for them. Just like men with a good girl dont cook or clean because she does it for him. I mean i dont cook or clean at all. My house is always clean and i always eat good. I rely on girls i date / hook up with / female friends to take care of me in that way. Just as i like to take them out and fix things for them and check their cars when the check engine lights on and stuff like that.
Ok so you’re saying that in order for a woman to not starve to death , she must immediately marry a random guy at 18 years old to move out of her parents house?
An 18 yr old man should also get married immediately to a random woman because he needs a woman to do his laundry for him?
I thought people were supposed to marry for love , not using each other because they are handicapped
@nelly83 it's more about a balance between a male and females natural place nobody should use each other. They should help each other
@bamesjond0069 my guys don't do housework it's demeaning. But I'm different than most
@WowwGirl I’m not marrying a man who doesn’t help out around the house. I want a responsible family man. I didn’t marry a husband to become a maid, I’m a wife.
@nelly83 each to their own🙂
@bamesjond0069 the more I read of yours.
@bamesjond0069 you deserve a damn gift.
If that's what women wanted then we wouldn't have fought against inequality and proven that we can pretty much do anything. If that's what we wanted then we wouldn't work. We would stay at home. But most women don't because we don't live in a man's world. We live in a people's world. You can sit here and argue your point but you've been proven many times over. You'd have to be pretty insecure to not want to do your fair share of housework and child care because you think that it's not manly. You'd also have to be a pussy. Women now do all the jobs men used to do except being president (yet) while men like you complain about cooking and doing laundry. Pussies. It's not women's job to make men be masculine and feel like men. Real men don't need women to be housewives and mothers to make them men.
@Wheresthebooze I’ve never heard of a better answer. IF women were absolutely happy staying home , we wouldn’t have fought for it. And yes , it’s not a woman’s job to make a man feel masculine. We don’t live to serve men.
@WowwGirl I agree. Its demeaning for a man to be scrubbing the kitchen, just like its demeaning for a woman to have to mow the lawn or be the one to go downstairs when there is a noise in the night.
@nelly83 what does "we wouldn't have fought for it" even mean? Did you fight someone or something? Lol. My girlfriend didn't fight for jack shit. And its a well known fact that women like you get boyfriends to wear the apron while you wear the pants but its very common for girls in relationships like that to cheat. Usually y'all still want to fuck traditional masculine men who wouldn't touch a dish.
When i was single... id say like 30% of the girls id end up hooking up with or dating ended up having boyfriends... and they were so wimpy they would be home cleaning the house while they would be cleaning my house. Im not even joking. Its just not natural and its weird to change gender norms upside down. It doesn't work and it never will. Women can say they want a man to vacuum all they want but they dont as a whole fuck men who vacuum. They USE men who vacuum. Just like men USE women with a career because they are a lazy ass who can't make a buck.
If women wanted to be housewives , we wouldn’t have fought for the right to work or the right to vote. I was referring to what the their commenter mentioned, which you obviously didn’t read.
I doubt any of your Hookups would be interested in doing your laundry or cooking for you. I’m sure you wouldn’t be interested in paying their rent either. Your ideals are simply a dram, not a reality that’s actually doable. Let’s start forcing everyone to get married at the age of 18, so they can get their laundry done and bills paid.
@bamesjond0069 “ your ideals are simply a deam*** not a reality.
@nelly83 well its a reality for me. So I don't know what you're talking about. I've always been taken care of and im 33 so definitely women are out there that like to take care of their man. And yes, those girls did do it for me. They wanted to turn me on and and im honest but a girl in my kitchen is hot hot hot. I watch my girlfriend cooking and it makes me so hard to see her taking care of me. I sometimes have come in and just bend her over and lift up her dress and give it to her. Some of the girls didn't know how to cook or clean well and thats sad but i would try to teach them as best i could, but id still have them be the girl and take my boots off and such when i come in. I don't know most girls dont mind even if they do at first after they do it awhile they really like it. You know how many "feminist" career women end up cleaning my house as part of being friends with benefits with me over the years? lol
I won't do a lot of stuff like the cars, the lawn , the trash , house repairs, driving much. Nope not happening.
We're talking about the millions of strong women since then 20s. And we couldn't have done it without men. And men agreed that we deserve rights and equality. You may not think so but you're pretty small compared to the men and women who pushed the movement.
@Wheresthebooze i dont understand. Whats this have to do with equality? Seems totally unrelated.
What's inequality is that you think that that women are supposed to do domestic work because they are women and men are supposed to work because they are men. You think that men shouldn't do there fair share of domestic work and parenting because that's not a "man's job". Well equality goes against that. Men and women work. Men and women clean. If they both can then that both of their jobs. That's equality, and putting women at a lower lever by saying they do the housework and cooking is demeaning.
@Wheresthebooze that definition of equality would be saying midgets need to be in the nba to be equal. Lmao. Men are naturally better at some things and women others. Thats equal.
@Wheresthebooze he thinks that just because she’s a woman, she’s not gonna get kicked out by the landlord.
@bamesjond0069 who wants a husband who doesn’t know how to do dishes or his own laundry? He’s not gonna be any help , but just another liability to me. I know of husbands who love their wives so much that he rather do all the work and let her rest. Some husbands intentionally cook amazing meals for their wives to enjoy. Obviously your girlfriend will never get to enjoy that experience
@nelly83 lmao. Wtf. My girlfriend doesn't have a landlord because im not a loser and i own my house free and clear and she is completely taken care of.
And she doesn't like me in the kitchen, she thinks its gay for men to cook and clean like a woman should.
@bamesjond0069 so all men should have their mothers following them everywhere he goes , just in case he doesn’t have a girlfriend to cook for him? I’m also sure no woman is gonna be impressed when you ask a woman to do your laundry on the first date.
yes, men, in general, are more physically stronger and faster and you don't have the issues that come with hormones so you handle the situation differently. You can also get women pregnant. Other than that, not really.
what's gay is a man who thinks that cooking and cleaning are gay. Because men who are that shallow, are usually gay and don't want to admit it. Your girlfriend can do whatever she wants but she's in her reasons for doing it. She's ignorant and just another product of what men like you think women are supposed to be like. Pity.
@wheresthebooze we are Traditionalists very simple he doesn't cook or clean and I don't service cars or do the financials. He's not wearing pink I'm not wearing work boots.
I'd be ashamed unless I was sick or something major for a man to clean up after me.
He would be ashamed to take money from a woman. We are simple people
@WowwGirl do you realize that traditional housewives are unrealistic nowadays? Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and cannot afford an additional 500 dollar bill. Houswiving should really be at the bottom of all your goals. It’s an unrealistic dream that many folks are dying to cling onto
@nelly83 I understand that and I agree it's rare but it's possible. I'm not saying I'm right I'm saying I'm this way. Big difference 🙂
I went to school so I could support myself fine if needed. I'm not stupid I'm not privileged I understand all you say.
@WowwGirl nothing wrong with housewiving. But it’s unrealistic how people imply that all women shouldn’t work as an ideal.
I was a housewife and I didn't have a prenuptial. My Traditionalists theory's will just say I haven't lost anything because of them.
@nelly83 I agree with you about the ideal. That's why I got an education you're totally right
Being a housewife should not be anyones goal in life. I agree
Well, that's your right. Women were given the right to choose to be whatever they want including a housewife. However, thinking that being a housewife and mother is a woman's natural place is wrong. And thinking that it's what women should do and it's better than having a career is wrong too. Women have proven again and again that they can do things just as good as men. Facts outweigh the past when men decided what women could and couldn't do.
@Wheresthebooze "Women were given the right to choose to be whatever they want including a housewife." And men have the right to not want to marry career women. I've noticed its the career women always barking up my tree the most. Probably because im one of the few men who out earn them. But that means i dont need a second income. I always recommend career women find broke men. Those guys always appreciate having a sugar mama.
Sorry i mean strong independent woman. Lol
Why wouldn't mothers who are mothers first be an ideal? It is ideal to be a housewife if you have kids. Mothers who put their kids in daycare are bad moms. It is not good for kids.
@bamesjond0069 so what? A bunch of kids living off of coupons, not having Enough money to pay for an education or tutoring, having a non existent dad that’s not contributing to his kids life is even worse
@nelly83 you must be a spoiled girl with rich parents if you think there is something wrong with coupons. And if you dont use coupons how can you pay for a tutor? The end of the world is near. How can people survive without hiring tutors? Id recommend you try hanging out with normal people. You have obviously been brought up very sheltered. Because SURPRISE almost nobody had tutors and we all seemed to be alive and happy and doing just fine. I used a coupon the other day and i never had a tutor and it didn't stop me from being wealthy enough to support a housewife and a family.
@bamesjond0069 yes well I don’t want to feed my kids the cheapest food , tell my kid that I can’t buy them a much needed new computer, I don’t want to tell my kids that I can’t pay for a tutor If they are having problems in school. I don’t want to tell my kids that I can’t pay for summer camp , which all their other friends are going to. I also want to have money to go on vacation since in a while. I also want to have Enough money to send my child to college.
Having a housewife is the equivalent of starving your child of a life of education , nutrition , happiness and fun.
Not to mention what kid wants to Be around a mom who is constantly in a bad mood she’s worried about her bills?
@nelly83 lmao. Try living in real life. This makes no sense what you're saying. Im a millionaire. My kids won't be poor because i have a housewife. Wtf? But still most of that stuff is nonsense. A fucking tutor? Nobody needs a tutor. And why the fuck am i going to pay for some grown ass man or womans college degree? They are supposed to pay for it themselves if they want to go to college. I paid for mine. No big deal.
@bamesjond0069 now why would any decent mother want to marry someone like you? You don’t even care to provide for your own kids. Only a shitty woman who doesn’t love her kids would want you
@nelly83 why wouldn't he provided for kids I missed a lot
@WowwGirl just read his last comment
Having been a single homeowner for 8 years in my 20's I did it ALL, and actually loved it. My transition to married life in terms of division of labor, financial contribution etc was remarkably smooth. I would honestly say financially we contributed about equal, household labor I'd give myself a 60/40 win. I don't have any problem with cooking, cleaning, shopping, picking up the kids, or anything.
Would declining male testosterone levels be a sign that feminism is a bad thing? While women once complained about a lack of representation at the university level, women now account for the majority of degrees (which I think is a symptom of a dysfunctional society for the wrong reasons). What's the matter with women being homemakers? Men can't breastfeed, so there isn't quite the same parent-child bondage for stay-at-home fathers as it would be for stay-at-home mothers. It's fine if women want to work; their choice. At the same time, women can't turn around and complain about their lives later on when they're unable to become pregnant. Can't have it all (By no stretch am I speaking about specific people with this rebuttal).
It's a sign you guys should try harder
Fun fact: Statistically, women in relationships with "traditional" distribution of labour report higher sexual satisfaction and greater relational happiness on average.
And please, stop trying to get men to do what women think they want by shaming them, crying "man up". As if masculinity was defined by how much of your time you spend serving women.
LMFAO I don't know where you got your statistics from? 19% of men do household chores? Your facts aren't adding up because more than 19% of men live by themselves no shock considering the divorce rate is so high you'd think women who are clearly better than men would know how to make important complex decisions like saying yes to will you marry me? Before deciding they no longer want the marriage and who'd fault is that? Hmm well the guy didn't bail out and the guy didn't say yes or no so obviously it's the better woman's fault since she's better clearly she would know better. Anyway, nearly 60% of guys live alone you think the laundry did itself? Don't think so but yeah your right women are clearly better when the situations between life and death matter and you turn to the men and say "what do we do" you'll then realise how wrong you are and we'll tell you your clearly the better gender you tell us?
You confuse men becoming more masculine with men becoming more p*ssy-whipped which is typical feminist rhetoric these days. Truth be told, women want men to share the housework but women also want to control when, how, how often etc. They never talk about that part of it, just that "he won't clean when I decide he should!"
@WowwGirl lets switch up, you do my home jobs and i will do yours. Lets see who can do them better. Or your emplying that men dont do anything at home? Or mybe you want to earn for whole family, I will gladly take care for home and kids, hell i will even have more time for tinkering hobbies as now. Or you just dont want to see what man are doing for household?
Also this isn't your first article about bashing men, if you want my empowered position, take it, i dont care, but then provide for me.
Very nice. I had a boyfriend for about 3 years once, and as soon as he told me that I wasn't allowed to skateboard, or do parkour or video game. I immediately never spoke to him ever agian
Good girl controlling bf/gf are no good
Good, the dude sounds like an ass.
Yes. Nice MyTake. Women are also failing to have as many children on average as they used to. Women have become too liberated now and it undermines men's views on them. It leaves a sour taste in his mouth over women.
Women aren't quite the feminine creatures they once were. many of them like to assert and dictate to men how to act. The man very rarely needs to be told by women how to act unless he is mentally unstable. Men of a sound mind show dominance and take the bull by the horns.
Men rarely need to whine. Only in extreme unfairness situations where he is being bullied ought he whine. Otherwise, he needs to stand up and be proud of his maleness. God created the men as the leaders.
"maleness" damn that's an amazing word hahaha
I'll be honest. If I could be a stay at home dad. Then, fuck yeah, not having to wake up 4 go to work at 5 get home 2 or 7, getting every other Sunday off. Stay home take the kids to school. Then do what needs to be done around the house. AND I get to be treated as someone you shouldn't hit or be aggressive towards. Hell sign me up
Dammit. I was hopeful when you wrote actual figures. Get outta here you stupid bot
Men still have a lot of privilege in being able to fall back on gendered notions.
Pfft haha no just no, I mean no disrespect but have you been living under a rock?
You're just angsty aren't you?
We both know men do all the important shit, meanwhile women sit in air conditioned offices goofing off on their phones all day. They're so "busy" with work all day they don't have kids, don't get married, come home to the company of a cat and a microwaveable meal to enjoy in front of the tv with a serving of boxed wine.
Now that us men don't have to work as hard to provide for a woman and her brats we get extra time do what we love.
Lol, I almost took you seriously. Good one
@Wheresthebooze Good, 'cause honestly I just want to piss her off by talking shit.
We are the ones who have allowed you to do less work and be less of a man. We have told you masculinity is out and femininity is in. Shame on us.. Because masculinity is not out, so save the crying for us girls.
yikes. get over yourself. and then people wonder why feminism gets a bad reputation
'Men should take all this free time they have from complaining about everything and not cleaning and instead they can think of some ways to become a more masculine man. "
I mean isn't that what your doing in this whole piece?
ur right women of the modern era are failing but its starting to change instead of being models gorgeous girls (including me if i wasn't standing strong for women and what we should be fuck all this stupid dramatic bikering be friends even love each other but let guys do what they want to you embrace getting used be a true feminist
Ignorant. Not seeing the big picture.
Here’s a simple insight:
I’m going to look a mess in the house, and then look at you and say “see that mess? I don’t care that it’s there”, and then I’m going to walk away. And that’s why women tend to do more housework.
Ignorant: taking this seriously
So you’re going to say it’s all just you trolling?
No it's about reaction to a non verbal stimuli
So then it is meant seriously?
It's about the brains occipital lobe and the frontal lobes neuro communication but into a redirected response
Right, a troll.
No just one little blonde girls opinion
Right, so it’s serious.
Are you serious?
This is a really bad MyTake frankly.
You had an opportunity to look at women critically like you did men but instead choose to just put down men again.
Women are not without fault, they are *JUST* as deserving of critism as men are.
Then a man should have written it it wouldn't have but kept threatening to write a response. I just did it first
Be better than him then.
Okay
I'm not quite sure where gender is but I feel like the proper direction is to say that we are all on a gender spectrum. I don't beileve in modern times that we all fit into a gender box that's labeled for us. Look at mad about you, the classic tv series. Heck look at Seinfeld. Even in the 90s, men's roles are different. We are not going to the mines or taking out the garbage we are wearing white collars and doing white collar jobs. Gender roles are just different today.
Speak for yourself. Many men still do manual labor in the oilfield making bank by the sweat of their brow.
@meesegoMoo I can't say all men but jobs for them have changed quite a bit in modern times though
What's wrong with being a housewife? Also if you want to have a job good for you and if it pains to clean and cook don't do it... men aren't supposed to clean and cook that's the wife's duty this is how it should be
Finally @LunaSmith