Busting Myths About Modern (Non-Extreme) Feminism (Page 2)

[titoloco]

When I mean WAR. I mean the actual things like WWII, VIETNAM, IRAQ etc... According to the principles of SUN TZU, " the art of war" when you're at war and you invade a territory, exploiting the enemies ressources is part of the deal of an invasion. It diminushes the costs on the government and entails those on the oppressed. That's why a Strong army is a necessary evil to maintain those boundaries safe from exploitation by unwelcomed hands. I think feminist are doing the same but against MEN.

[kholland65]

"I have dealt with guys who were physically/emotionally abusive/manipulative." This is what I'm saying, you assume only men are capable of abusing and manipulating people. Treating people like crap has nothing to do with feminism or men vs women, but people like you act like it is, even though you won't admit it. It's this perpetual circle of playing the victim and acting your problems are somehow more important and worse than anyone elses. People are sh*tty, man or women, get over it.

[kholland65]

footballfan, you act like people actually think rape is OK. Nobody thinks rape is OK, they just don't think of themselves as raping someone because they were a bit aggressive in their advances or because they they guessed wrong in thinking the girl was enough of a right mind to make a judgment about her sexual activities. The ohio case is pretty clear cut, but its not always like that. Rape culture exists no more than murder culture exists. Some evils in life are just not going to go away 100%.

[kholland65]

Personally based on what I've read in the past from you, I find you to be actually a fairly extreme feminists makoto. Also if I do recall you were sexually assaulted at some point in your life or experienced some sort of sexually traumatic event, to which I'm sorry. But I find that many girls who have had such an experience see the world through darkened eyes. Everything and everyone revolves around the concept of rape. Everything about men and feminism comes back to rape.

[kholland65]

paranoia and victimization where everyone and everything is disadvantages to women.

I also feel that there is too much potential for man hating. Even those who claim they don't really do. If you read between the lines, your entire article sounds like your bashing men. It sounds like this "I don't hate men...but men do this and this and this which is bad...but I don't hate men". It's contradictory. For reasons explained before, feminism needs have a culprit and men are the only logical ones.

[kholland65]

too far in the other direction because its the only direction left to go. Feminism will tell women they are unequal no matter how equal they actually are that is a problem.

I also feel that many feminists are simply delusional. They see problems where they don't really exists (like pay inequality), or create larger ones out of things that are statistically uncommon (i.e. rape [.02% of men are convicted sex offenders].) They simply live in a world that just isn't real. They live in a world of

[kholland65]

Truthfully though, when it comes this idea of gender roles, I do feel you at least got that right. Your section about patriarchy it correct and is the one big thing I think you got right.

I don't hate women and I'm all for equal rights for both genders. However, my fear with feminism is that when women are finally equal (as realistically as anyone person can ever be) will they recognize that and stop fighting? My first problem with feminism is that I feel the scale is starting to get pushed

[kholland65]

their biological role as the primary care giver to her children and her nest. Men are not given the same freedom. Legally we both are of course, but men will be much more scrutinized for choosing not to take on his traditional role as a man. Men learn to suck it up and get a job because we are expected to, whether we like it or not. I think many men feel women should hold themselves to the same level of accountability instead of denying who they are. by the way, your #11 proves what I'm saying.

[kholland65]

That said, it really depends on the person. I know plenty of men who'd rather be spending time with their kids and taking care of the house than going to a job they hate all day to support their family. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, is all I'm saying, be careful what you wish for because you might wish you were still in the kitchen with your kids. I also think there is an element of one sided gender role standards that applies to this. Women are given the freedom to abandon

[kholland65]

yet you are trying to convince me that you don't hate men or that women are the same as men. Women can be lazy just as men can, I've met more lazy women than men to be honest, who don't want to go to school, dont' want to work very often, they just want to let their boyfriends or husbands earn all the money and do all the chores around the house. It goes both ways.

12. I have an immense amount of respect for what women do at home. It's a thankless job but an important one none the less,

[kholland65]

doesn't mean you should get special treatment. Respect is something all humans should earn, not just men. however, I think feminism is unwilling promoting this. Many women are inadvertently being told to believe that just by being a women they deserve to be treated a certain way without having to work for anything. It tends to breed self entitlement, even though I realize that's not its intention.

10. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

11. This entire paragraph is an attack upon men,

[kholland65]

8. I don't believe feminism started as a political movement and I don't think it still is. However, I believe politicians have hijacked feminism as another form of social warfare. They will exploit feminism as a means to gain support, even if it means lying to people about it. So in a sense feminist ideology has played a big role in politics as of late.

9. I don't think any man expects a girl to go to war to gain respect, however we still do expect you to earn it. Just because you are a women

[kholland65]

for rape accusations to be fake, its not surprise men grow skeptical any time they here the word rape. Looking at a variety of studies results here link we can conclude that on average of about 15-25% of rape cases are falsified. Women need to stop using this as a tool to destroy men if they want every case to get taken seriously right away. That's all I'm saying.

[kholland65]

of other abuses that are life damaging by women. Like wrongful accusal of rape, taking his kids, taking most of his money, damaging him emotionally or his reputation through social engineering. Yes women don't typically commit rape, but plenty of them do some other pretty nasty things that can really affect the lives of the men in question. Acting like rape is worse than anything a man experiences is self entitled and shows a lack of care for men. No man condones rape, but when its quite common

[kholland65]

It is assumed that men are not disadvantaged in anyway and most guys will literally get chased out of a room for even suggesting as much (its happened to me). Like in most cases with male issues, we're just told to shut up and stop complaining. Society does not show the same sympathy towards men as it does towards women. Also your undertones already show your hypocrisy since you basically act like you care, but really don't because men really aren't abused. The reality is men come under all kind

[kholland65]

birth control? Should I get a free supply of viagra or condoms just because its a guy problem? If you need the medication, then pay for it like everyone else who takes medication. Finally, many feminist talking points like equal pay have been disproven time and time again by very prominent sources like the us department of labor statistics.

7. I don't think feminism is predicated upon ignoring men, but the simply due to its existence it has caused society to not care about men.

[kholland65]

men for essentially being the ones to hold you back. In other words, it sort of hard to claim men are to blame for treating you unfairly (since obviously women aren't going to treat themselves unfairly), but then also show that you don't hate men for it.

3. This is just a delusional point. Politicians like to make you believe discrimination is at the root of these decisions when it never is. It's usually financial but women are told its out of spite. Either way, who says women have a right to

[kholland65]

There is so much wrong with this where do I start.

1.That's just it, its not, as you have stated, everyone has a different opinion about it, which is why I have a hard time entirely 100% backing something that has two completely different ends to its spectrum.

2. I agree, most feminists don't outright hate men, however, I feel that feminism has a high potential for breeding such a mindset, since as you said yourself, this feeling of oppression can't help but make you feel resentment toward

[moaterboat]

And yes I do think I am smarter than you, and almost everyone else on this site. That doesn't, by default make your opinions invalid, but when someone is wrong I let them know. The fact that you think that having a degree somehow makes you smart is laughable. You obviously don't realize that college is a joke these days. But that's a whole different topic.

[moaterboat]

Considering most circumcisions happen in infancy it is a logical assumption to make that when you say "pro-choice" regarding circumcision that you are talking about infant circumcision. If you are saying that it is something that an adult should decide for themselves I completely agree, but don't claim that I failed to comprehend what you wrote, when you weren't clear.