Twerking is NOT "female empowerment" and it LOWERS the standard in which men perceive you!

[Ruenella_]

Twerking isn't an act of social justice

"Don't objectify me."

"I'm not an object."

"Confidence is not consent."

Celebrities, social media influencers, and even Tiktokers consisting of underage girls quote this and believe strongly in it. The same women who want to stand for equality and have a desire to be seen as an intellectual and respectful human being also perform a degrading routine that is meant to sexualize the person doing it and entice the watchers (men).

The point of their "movement" is to empower themselves by doing away with sexual morale but is also gratifying men in the process. So, now their viewers, who this trend is specifically for, only see them as a rump shaker. Isn't this more harmful than good? This dance is meant to stimulate sexual feeling, so the person literally can not unsee and/or feel what they just witnessed of said person. Moreover images and videos like this are considered soft porn, which if you didn't know, have permanent effect on the brain, meaning those memories of dancing underage girls never go away.

Pornography literally changes the brain to desire more pornography. Repeated consumption of it, causes rewiring within itself, triggering it to pump out chemicals and form new nerve pathways that leads to profound and lasting changes. As a person watches porn, they are training their brain to respond sexually to images on a screen.

What comes to mind when anyone looks at this?

So, this "movement" totally defeats its purpose because men are hardwired to this act in a sexual way. These young women are blindly putting themselves in danger of exploitation, fetishism, humiliation and possibly worse in due time. It is merely blatant immaturity and idiotic rebellion that will lead nowhere...or to a place worse than where it was---an even more perverted world.

Refuting science due to feeling and emotion is unwise. You must research all the facts before experimenting with change.

If you wish to be taken seriously and seen as a woman worthy of title and high regard, then act like it. The same women will mock Donald Trump for inadequacy for the role of president because his behavior is childish. People also see you the same way.

Please, check your own hypocrisy.

Instead of following the crowd, stand out! Use your mind and intellect to show the world what you SHOULD be seen as because people can and will only judge what they see. So, if you're behaving like a stripper and look like one, too, believe or not, most people will conclude you are one. It's second nature for people to judge based upon looks. Even you do it yourself, but because it inconveniences you, it must change, right?

Ya can't change human nature, babe.

But you can trick them. Politicians have been doing it for centuries, hiding their messes behind expensive suits and nice smiles to win their way.

Lying politicians

It's time to put down your barbie dolls and grow up. Not everyone will bend to your unrealistic and unreasonable demands for "justice", and until that is ingrained in your head, you will never get what you want, especially when you go about it in foolish and inappropriate mannerisms.

If no one will respect the President of the number one country in the world because he has Twitter wars in the middle of the night, then no one will respect an internet-addicted teenager who shakes her rear in a barely-there bikini, saying, "Please, don't sexualize me..."

They are preaching a message in unfitted robes. Don't be them.

[RohitLakra]

Oh gosh! Finally someone makes sense. One of my female friends was like how WAP song empowers women to express their sexuality. I had no idea how to react to her, but I realized that day if I stick around her I will go nuts. I don't even know where people get such stupid ideas that there's some need to express sexuality. Moreover, the song didn't even drive that point to home. Anyway it's just an example of people are consuming music of hooker like music artists. I just wanted to rant about it because it's not been a long time since I had that conversation with my ex friend.

[Ruenella_]

Right! I'm glad you agree.

[RohitLakra]

Thank you for MHO! :)

[RohitLakra]

@LejaGoldiga No one tells me what to do except my employer and professors. I'm sorry. I can't even imagine ourselves together. I'm not good for you. You deserve someone better.

[GirlyGal20]

agree, that song has a good beat but the message behind it? ugh

[lightbulb27]

In general, turn the TV off, find people who project class, dignity, and style and values you want. Model them. you might only find them in books or your imagination.

Turn off Hollywood... it's nothing but garbage from garbage minds. I'd rather people spend time with other animals in real life than watch these deranged animals on tv selling you their vomit culture.

[Ruenella_]

Amazing advice, actually.

[lightbulb27]

Thank you, I turned it off years ago.

[FatherJack]

And me , over 12 years ago , I call it Tell-Lie-Vision for the amount of agenda driven BS and Cultural Marxist propaganda it spews out. Other species of animals are indeed far more of a pleasure to be around than people , give me ferrets & dogs anytime.

[Guffrus]

I dont watch tv either, not since my early 20's, not at home at least, though sometimes i am exposed to it in other peoples homes.

Its so nice to not have a mind rammed full of advertising jingles, i still remember the ones that were drilled into me as a child, that can't be a good thing.

[Hermes-Paris]

Vomit Culture... Exactly!

[lightbulb27]

And to think so many children have been force fed this stuff. Give kids books.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Twerking is simply a dance to show off a part of your body that many men love, which is booty. It's not meant to "empower" anyone, but rather to show off some sex appeal. Absolutely nothing is wrong with a woman showing off some sex appeal, just as nothing is wrong with a man showing off some sex appeal. If a man's sex appeal is based on his, for example, muscular body and big penis, then he is likely to show off his sex appeal by flexing his muscles and wearing pants that show a bulge. If men can do that without issue, then women should be able to use their booty to show off their own sex appeal without issue. Making it an issue actually degrades women because it creates a negative double standard that can be considered socially oppressive to women. When you're restricting women's freedoms, you're degrading them. Thus, the best solution to this issue is to allow women to do what they wish as long as they're not causing harm. We women do want to be taken seriously, but we ensure that happens by showing that we are capable of supporting ourselves like adults do and thinking rationally. However, at the same time, we also want to feel sexy in the process and attract the men we like, which nothing is wrong with.

Being sexy doesn't mean we shouldn't be taken seriously. Simply because a man notices a woman's sex appeal doesn't mean that she's being objectified. The truth is, just as much as we humans are social creatures, we are also sexual creatures. We're ALL hardwired to act in a sexual way, regardless of our gender. If we weren't sexual creatures, then no human population would exist. Just because you think it's "degrading" doesn't make it so for everybody else. A woman twerking does not harm anybody or society, and gratifying men's sexual desires is not a crime, just as a man gratifying a woman's sexual desires is not a crime. That's what our sex drives and genitals are literally made for. Instead of going after things like dances and porn that cause no harm, attack things that actually do harm and objectify women and girls such as rape, domestic abuse, sex trafficking, and pedophilia. Also, all that stuff about our brains "releasing chemicals" and changing our brains when watching porn isn't proven by any hard cogent evidence. Sure, some people do develop addictions to certain things, but we are never slaves to our brains. In fact, our brains give us the ability to work hard to overcome any addiction that we might have. Thus, addiction is the true villain here, not porn.

[Ruenella_]

"It's not meant to empower anyone"

"Thus, the best solution to this issue is to allow women to do what they wish as long as they're not causing harm."

That is the thing, though. They are causing harm... to themselves by all the aftereffects I listed in my take.
This is just advice to people who use this dance as a means of empowerment.

"Instead of going after things like dances and porn that cause no harm, attack things that actually do harm and objectify women and girls such as rape, domestic abuse, sex trafficking, and pedophilia."

What do you think causes stuff like that, besides domestic abuse? Porn does harm to the brain and is addictive to many people. It makes you want more and more, even going as far as raping, and trafficking to satiate the hunger of their addiction. And the cycle repeats over and over.

Tiny "innocent" videos like that can set people off, and I'm not justifying the perpetrator's actions in any way, I only want those women to realize that the world is bigger and badder and they can't change it by adding to the original problem with using more nudity. It's easier to protect yourself and prevent those tragedies from happening by not getting involved in something that is dangerous in the first place, than to tell a criminal to stop his ways.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Ruenella_
Your heart is definitely in the right place with your myTake, but I feel you're attacking the wrong thing. Addiction is the real culprit here, not twerking or porn. Something is harmful if it kills people, threatens their health, freedom, or property. Twerking simply a dance that, alone, can't do any of those things. Therefore, twerking is, by definition, harmless. Rape, sex trafficking, and pedophilia are harmful though and they're caused by some people in our world unfortunately being heartless psychopaths. Porn and twerking is not a cause of these things. These things existed long before them and even if they were to stop, they would still exist. Simply because people can become addicted to porn doesn't make it bad. As I said, it's the addiction itself that's bad. Porn doesn't cause addiction. Addiction is caused by one's own lack of discipline and willpower. By your logic, food is bad because people can become addicted to it. See, check this out:

"FOOD does harm to the brain and is addictive to many people. It makes you want more and more, even going as far as COMMITTING VIOLENT CRIME to satiate the hunger of their addiction. And the cycle repeats over and over."

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

When you replace the word "porn" with harmless things that people can become addicted to, it sounds silly because it highlights the fact that what a person becomes addicted to isn't always the problem. Instead, the addiction itself is the problem. There are plenty of people in the world that aren't addicted to porn and it could even be useful for some people. You also have people that aren't addicted to porn that still commit those atrocities against women.

"I only want those women to realize that the world is bigger and badder and they can't change it by adding to the original problem with using more nudity. "

I'm not convinced that twerking or porn is attempting to "change" anything. Even if some young women thought that, it still wouldn't do anything because it's not capable of it. Twerking is just simply a way of showing sex appeal and porn is simply a form of entertainment that shouldn't be taken seriously.

[ChurchOfSteel]

Great writing for a 19 year old, I gotta say, though. However, here, I would break down the specifics, instead of leaving it vague like, "Profound and lasting 'changes' ". What changes? "Permanent effects on the brain." Such as? Literally everything causes profound and lasting changes to the brain. It's a constantly evolving structure via neuroplasticity. The reader needs to know the weight of what you're talking about.

Err. Wait. So let me get this straight. Your issue is with women gratifying men?

I would also add in a defense for women whom are anti-porn or anti-twerking. This is something that gratifies men, so on some level, in attacking it, you're also attacking men's desire for women. I. e., it can come off sounding like insecurity or jealousy, rather than reason. Especially considering how prevalent this is among women: the desire to bring hotter or otherwise more desirable women down. I'd throw in a pre-emptive defense for that, if your main concern is "women should be perceived more seriously."

I appreciate your rational breakdown of the hypocrisy, but at the same time, logic is so not sexy. You know what is sexy? Twerking. I'll also point out that dance has always been a form of self-sexualization. It is, quite plainly, a demonstration of sexual prowess. Movement, seduction, balance, strength, grace, etc. It's always been about a mating dance. Twerking is simply another example of that. Bouncing on a metaphorical dick isn't much different from. One is considered an art form, because it is more subtle in its solicitation of sexual desire. That is all.

That said, I absolutely agree on the porn thing. Messed with my ability to get and stay in a certain state. We weren't meant to see HD porn videos, bouncing across such perpetual novelty. It's unnatural to the point of being a drug. And damn I loved porn. But, the spikes of dopamine and serotonin negatively impacted my life. I'm much more driven without porn.

Anyways, great writing. Keep fleshing it out, and I could see you making some cash.

[Maraneva]

Finally. A proper mature person actually making some sense. Good write-up and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you've put good amounts of thought into this.
If women are actually thinking that acting like an idiot on camera is going to earn them respect, I actually feel bad for the wasted space in their heads where the brain is supposed to be.
Here's my advice to any young woman, old woman, teen or child thinking of showing themselves off to earn respect.
1. Learn new things about the universe. Science is never ending for example. Literature can be very intriguing. Music can speak to you in unimaginable ways. Learn stuff like this.
2. Establish a satisfying career without blaming family inheritance and crap like that. I said satisfying, not something that'll make you filthy rich. Working as a waitress or even simply cleaning tables in a diner can be a satisfying job if you look at the money, pat yourself on the back and think, "I earned that shit. Beat that!"
3. Work hard for whatever you have passion for. Deep down, no girl has a passion for shaking her butt or boobs on camera. She might actually want to become a successful teacher for instance. Pursue such passions and work your ass instead of shaking it.
4. Earn your own money, pay your own bills and dues once you finish college without getting into debts and subsequent fights.
5. Engage in sports and keep yourself fit and healthy.
Do all these and that will make you what everyone calls, "A strong independent woman"
I don't need to rant more. The idiot males drool at the twerkers while people with brains find the real independent females more than attractive.
Remember twerking can only get you as far as your ass stays in shape. After that if you don't possess the intellect, you're done.

[Ozanne]

While I don't get twerking, I'm not going to tell someone what to do. If twerking causes her no harm, fine. If she ends up getting attention, even unwanted attention, well, then we'll talk. Until that happens, it's just young people with good bodies and the ability to do it having fun.

I came from a generation where us girls wore skin-tight jeans and leather halter tops, and that's if we chose not to wear our bras as it's own outer garment. Back then, THAT was an issue. ;)

Twerking is one of those things where I think being classy and a bit of a mystery is entirely removed and you can't get it back when you do something like this. But in the moment when a young girl wants to advertise, she doesn't know that. She just wants to show off and be seen as a sexual being. Nothing wrong with that, but women forget that some men like their girls to be a mystery and when you give it all away, the fun goes away pretty fast.

But hey, on the other side, you're only young once, and if it's something you can look back on your twerking days, and one day tell the grandchildren "Grammy used to be able to twerk" and they see a video of it and scream laughing: "THAT'S NOT GRANDPA!", then hey, it may actually provide a lot of fun in fifty years. Who knows? ;)

[Tiger288]

I agree with the mystery theory not give away

[TheorionMage]

Every human being is like a Sentience 'equestrian' atop an engendered primate lifeform which shares 98.9% THE SAME evolutionary DNA as the Bonobo chimpanzee... the RANDIEST of ALL primates. LOOK IT UP!

NOW... there are but TWO paradoxical choices... Puritanically-grounded 'Pollyanna's wallow in failed neutered Feminist idealistic cognizant dissonance that by sheer 'enlightenment' those equestrian 'Souls' can CONSTANTLY 'over-rule' the innate natural appetites of that primate animal which they ride, trying to break its reproductively driven inclinations, turning it to some kid's docile birthday party pony. Cloistered convents and monasteries are full of repentant 'sinners' of concupiscence. OR...

WISE female Sentience's, CAN elect to EXPLOIT the natural fact, that those human primate lifeforms are EVERY BIT as 'in the moment' appetite-driven as someone riding parallel to another, and proffering that OTHER horse a carrot or sugar cube in affect, providing a conundrum of WHOM to be obedient to. 'Seduction' of the Other's 'mount's natural appetites has LONG been the MORE 'pragmatic' tactic. THIS is the underpinnings of human rationalization and "The devil made me DO it."

BOTH the ENTIRE COUNTRIES of Egypt and Troy have gone to war over the allure of ONE singular Feminist.

[art_hoe]

bitch look.
idgaf what people will think what people think about me if i twerk. honestly its my butt and i can do wtf i want. it is not an invitation. all i know is that it makes me confident as shit in what i have.
let women do whatever they want with their body. or anyone for that matter. no matter the gender, unless it is not endangering anyone's safety or consent, it is valid and okay. so what fi someone dances to WAP? oh nooo, its sExUaL, aw come on, like, it does empower women to feel sexual, why not. if it doe snot empower you as a woman, that's okay, find something that does empower you. if you're a guy, you might just be saying this out of hypocrisy and your own insecurities or some shit, just make sure you don't project it on others and ffs don't post it on a website.
why would you want to stop someone from expressing their sexuality? it has nothing to do with consent nor being a "hooker" and the fact you think that makes you the exact problem of this whole thing. YOU are the one who portrays this as if it is something bad and oh no sLuTtY just stfu and let people feel demselves, if it gives them confidence let it be, it's amazing to see people feel good about themselves and you do not have a saying in anyone's happiness unless it is harming you personally which i cannot understand how someone throwing it back could possibly anyhow harm you.

[Tiger288]

U should be in school instead stupid twerk u got lot to learn sweetheart

[TraceyByrd]

Gtfo lame rag

[Andres77]

i think your name all we need to know

[Anonymous]

i feel like what we need to do as a society is change the way we see women. men aren't animals, they are human being capable to making responsible decisions. personally, im ace. twerking and other such things don't make me feel particularly impowered, but wearing makeup does. while originally created to be worn for the male gaze, i wear it because it makes me feel strong, it makes me feel empowered. when i wear makeup, it's like i could take on the world, and no one can stand in my way. for some people, twerking does just that. minorities are taking back the things that used to be used to oppress them, and welding them as weapons against their oppressors. if we only fight the patriarchy in the long skirts and high necked shirts they tell are proper, and let them tell us what to wear and how to act in order to not be abused, i feel that we are still bending to their will. it doesn't matter what i wear, or how i act, men have no right to my body. again, men are not animals. they have self control, and i expect them to use it, no matter how turned on they are.

[gamergoddess98]

Interesting... twerking is a form of dance, along with many other forms of dancing that can be perceived as sexual. I think you're overthinking it. I don't think the comparison between these two, "If no one will respect the President of the number one country in the world because he has Twitter wars in the middle of the night, then no one will respect an internet-addicted teenager who shakes her rear in a barely-there bikini, saying, "Please, don't sexualize me..."" makes any sense at all, but I'll humor it for a second. I don't really follow teenagers who twerk in "barely-there bikinis" who also state that they "don't want to be sexualized" BUT I am a sex worker, with a college degree, so I guess I can provide some accurate input from real life experience. When you're young, like.. teenager young, you don't know better. You don't know that people will actually pay to see that twerking. It's unfortunate that attractive women are taught that men should do all these things; pay for dinner, buy you things, "treat you right" you could say, in exchange for attention/sexual favors, but when a woman wants to get compensated for it, it becomes something that shunned upon. And to that I say, F*CK the patriarchy! OWN YOUR BODY. If you got it, monetize it.

[TraceyByrd]

stfu rag whore 🚮😂

[NickAdy9405]

Honestly all this new social media trend where girls show off their body in my opinion is a big bullshit. Nothing is natural anymore, everywhere I go on the internet I see some girl showing off her body from the best angles or whatever.

Girls we man understand you are beautiful, good looking but I honestly am so fucking tired of seeing everyday the same boring shit where a girl shows her ass.
Is not sexy, not interesting and not fun anymore when most of you do the same thing.

Was thinking yesterday about something that is going on in my mind.
This world became so cruel that in my opinion is almost impossible to meet a girl wich respect the relationship as it should, and doesn't get bored if she doesn't show her ass or talk to another 15 guys when I work or when I'm busy.

These days women especially in my country believe that being beautiful, fit and dressing nice is all that matters. Those same girls are the one crying that their boyfriend cheat on them, or they never experienced an orgasm, or they are ignored.
People do not appreciate anymore, those people who have a normal job, who buy a flower, who care, who appreciate them, every fucking girl now care of being in a rich place or a rich car or somewhere where she can share a photo.
Nobody fucking care of living the moment anymore, all that matters is what other people see


We are a fucking sad generation that always smile in photos.

Twerking is something sluts do in my opinion.

[Stoner710]

Yea I would say that’s accurate, If women don’t want to be sexualized and seen as objects then cover up, If you want guys to respect you want treat you like an angle then stop going around acting like a slut or someone we just want to have she’s with, Marriage is the true female empowerment if you get divorced that you take half the guys stuff, Not encouraging divorce but aleast you haven’t lost your self respect by trying to be in a committed relationship. This sexual liberation is more beneficial to men then it is to women, we get our dick wet leave and you have just become the object of our sexual desires and a place to deposit our sperm. Where if you hold out for marriage you get a guy trying to make it work and spend his life with you rather then just be a one night stand, And guys get there dick wet with there wife, It’s a win win for both men and women.

[Ruenella_]

That's basically it 😂😂 in a very explicit way.

[RolandCuthbert]

WTF?

I have never met a woman twerking who claims that a man should not see her in a sexual way. Folks at GaG are weird.

So you are supposed to be a woman poster, but you don't get that women need to be sexy?

My fiancee has never twerked, but she has gone commando. She has worn clothes and done things to be sexy. And it is important to her that I am turned on by her sexiness, which I am.

That has nothing to do with her command of logistics or her expertise when it comes to animal care and the things she does professionally.

But you are supposed to be a woman poster. . . again. . right?

You think that if you dance seductively to feel sexy and to attract male attention, people can hold that against you when it comes to your ability to be professional and to work a job?

Get the hell out of here.

[Ruenella_]

I don't understand your point. Are you talking to me?

[RolandCuthbert]

Oh, I get it. You are so dull, you don't know the person responding to your thread is talking to you.

Wow, that's why you posted such drivel.

[Ruenella_]

Okay.

[ret04]

Right? I always thought it looks like a baboon is having some kind of seizure, or trying to scratch it's butt on something that isn't there. It's the lowest common denominator of dance. It's the move that girls who can't really dance do for attention. Anyone who says that making their ass cheeks giggle around is "fun" must have never actually experienced fun in their life.

Not surprised a lot of girls respond saying "nuh-uh, ain't no man gonna tell me", but actually defending the twerk? I would think most would consider it an embarrassment to their own gender. How does it not make you cringe just to see it? It's so damn stupid they made the guys on Impractical Jokers do it. Being a woman doesn't make it less absurd.

[Ruenella_]

Facts!

[markml]

Twerking is just NOT classy...

I don't think I've ever actually been turned on by a girl twerking. It's more of a distraction than anything, because it looks so ridiculous.

Admittedly, I am more of a boob guy than a butt buy, but I can still admire when a girl has a nice butt. The girls with the nicest butts tend not to twerk, as far as I can tell.

If you've got the goods, why do you need to flaunt it?

Totally agree that it's not "female empowerment", but I also wonder how many guys who aren't drunk even find it that sexy?

Being feminine is attractive, and that involves acting graceful and sophisticated. Pretty much the opposite of twerking. Learn ballet instead.

[Ruenella_]

Too true

[Egirl28]

As a former ballerina I agree with your advice!!

[Aguysopinion4799]

I am actually so glad that I am seeing this post come from a girl.

I personally dislike seeing twerking, it has never been a thing I find attractive but the act itself is a thing that is as you said NOT empowering to women and does indeed lower the standards that men see in women, likely because it makes guys see that this is what women are now willing to do just for likes on social media and even at a young age.

I prefer seeing girls in nice clothes in photos that they post, not being grossed out by seeing someone bouncing their butt up and down.

I am all for people having freedom to do things and so on, I am not saying that we should ban it, I am simply saying that we should not categorise it as empowering and in my opinion not even categorise it as sexy, you could categorise it in OTHER because there is really no point to doing it, it serves no point whatsoever.

[Aguysopinion4799]

While the person in your profile picture is naked, it does not show any obscene parts and is photographed artistically to capture the body naked in parts but not in a way that will cause problems, art has used naked people for ages, it is not a new thing.

So I see nothing wrong with your profile picture, is it objectifying? hmm... I would say no after checking it, there isn't the intention to use this photo for that purpose at the least.

[Ruenella_]

You're sweet. Thank you.

[Aguysopinion4799]

No problem :)

[Bananaman177]

This is true, same for pole-dancing.

Anyone who tells you pole-dancing is for fitness and exercise is a lying sack of shit, and you're lying to yourself too, because there's no way ANYONE is that stupid.

The kind of guy you want to be married to isn't looking for a slut to wife up. I promise you. And if you're dating a guy who wants you to be a slut and act like a slut, you're looking for love in all the wrong places. I promise you.

[Ruenella_]

That quote is too deep.

[Bananaman177]

Another?

[Ruenella_]

True lol unfortunately

[__inkRat]

Well as an dancer I dont agree with you, by that logic a most of social dances could be thrown under the same buss. In fact depending on culture waltz can be considered hightly sexual dance.
You are free to think of twerking as you want, thought I would suggest to look at it from much wider prism, not all you know is right or wrong. There are so many cultures on earth that only very few actions are commonly regarded as positive or negative. That is to at least know more about topic, than your own feelings and thoughts.

[Bananaman177]

@__inkRat There are a lot of cultures on Earth where they feed the first-born son a soup made from the meat of his newborn little brother so that the first-born will inherit his power. Well, actually, just one culture does that, but the point is, just because somebody does something somewhere at sometime, that doesn't magically make it some great thing that everybody should do.

Vast overwhelming majority of cultures that have ever existed are objectively backwards, primitive, wrongheaded, unscientific, barbarous, vicious, and cruel. I don't know why anybody would say that something is acceptable in "some cultures" as if that was a selling point of some kind. The things "some cultures" do would make the Devil himself want to throw up.

[__inkRat]

@bananaman177 true, just because some cultures does it, doesn't mean it good. But its wise to keep that information back in mind. Dancing is fairly universal cultural norm, it has some variations. Like you would not se salsa party on street in strict arab countries, but you would see it easly in latinamerica and Spain. Im fairly shure that kizomba in america, to someone who doesn't know, basicly strong invitation to hit on. In Angol its a social dance, in Europe to. Does that mean those dances are wrong?

Well honestly I do not agree with you on a lot of subjects, but I think we can find common ground on some topics.

Ps. No culture is white and holly, some ancient cultures were far better than some current ones. There are current cultures what see your point of view as barbaric and just plain wrong. Are they wrong? Are you wrong? or its somewhere in between?

[Bananaman177]

@__inkRat Just as you say, something meaning one thing in one culture doesn't make it acceptable in all cultures. In Saudi Arabia, it's normal to throw homosexuals off of the tallest building in town and if they live, (which sometimes does happen, amazingly) they take them up there and throw them off again, as many times as it takes. That doesn't mean you can do it in San Francisco and say, "don't worry, in some cultures, this is actually celebrated."

Or look at how in France, it's normal for men to kiss each other on the cheeks as a friendly greeting. If you're IN France, okay sure, but you wouldn't walk into a rough and rowdy biker bar in Texas and go around doing that. Even if you were as French as eating snails on purpose.

When in Rome, you do as the Romans do. And around here, by which I mean. . . pretty much the whole anglosphere and many other places besides, swinging on a pole in a thong and pasties is considered to be overt sexual degradation.

Over in Russia they got strip clubs where little girls pole dance in skimpy outfits for the entertainment of fat mobsters. What do you think of THAT culture?

[Bananaman177]

Part 2: those Russian mobsters use the exact same excuse as you: "oh, it's not sexual to us, it's just exercise, we're not getting off on it or anything, we just sit around watching it all night for no reason in particular."

[19magic]

To ones who say it's exercise I say it can be, I've had a mess around on one after a few drinks and to pull yourself up, and then drop using only your thighs, like actual gymnastics takes a good physique besides most excersise classes you wear shorts and tank top the same thing you'd wear to the gym, also if you're doing it for exercise your not performing for an audience it'll be you the trainer and other people taking the class.

So while I won't say oh it's exercise, it can be exercise

[Bananaman177]

@19magic Have you ever drowned somebody in a bathtub? That is also a form of exercise.

[19magic]

That is an official class at a gym, which has instructors and a group of people doing it as well, if so then where do you live as there's a couple of people who I wish I could put under that's totally legal,

I'm just trying to say if you climbed a pole today could you hang upside down and pull yourself up using just your stomach muscles, and I'm not just on about grinding a pole with your ass (I went to a strip club with some friends and was actually looking forward to the pole dancing and that was pretty much all it consisted of, and isn't what I'd consider pole dancing).

[Bananaman177]

@19magic I'm just saying, have you ever held somebody's head beneath shallow water with them twisting and struggling and clawing your face, it's a great full-body work-out and it really helps you build good grip strength, one of the best workouts you can get for your pecs and traps, and you'd be surprised how much it works your core, back, and legs as well. I'm not kidding, try drowning a struggling, resisting person for 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off. I'm in good shape and even I start huffing and puffing after 15 minutes of that.

[19magic]

The difference is ones legal and the other is not, what's your opinion on aeriel silk dancing, gymnastics, proper cheerleading (where there's flips and a flyer). All those have similar attire that shows off loads of skin, but are considered exercise

[__inkRat]

@bananaman177 can't argue with that.

[Anonymous]

Sorry but this is a lot of bollocks.

Firstly a person, regardless of what sort of genitals they have can be sexy and smart, either one at a time or together.

Secondly you are raging at a percieved inequality while simultaneously failing to realise that you are not acting as an equal, you are presuming to tell others what they must and must not do based on your wishes.

That isn't how equality works and evidently you are not a proponent of it.

So i suggest that if equality really is something that you care about and want to see in the world you need look no further than your own self.

[NMMan]

Boom.

[Opinion Owner]

@NMMan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ersybqjUK8A

[Anonymous]

People said anything other than a waltz was shameful and bad.
People said Elvis shaking his hips was shameful and bad.
People said swing dancing was shameful and bad.
People said women acting in plays was shameful and bad.

Judgmental people will always find a reason to judge others and make excuses for THEIR decision to see other people as less than human for stupid reasons.

Young teenagers shouldn't be dancing in skimpy clothes, you are right. But then why aren't you just as angry at Dance Mom's and the normalized dance photos of tweens in tiny leotards that creeps trade around online?

There is nothing wrong with adults doing it, an adult being proud of their body and knowing how to dance a certain way doesn't make them any less human or valuable. If a man doesn't value a woman in a bikini odds are he wouldn't even value her in a burqa anyway. You do not want those kinds of men in your life.

[AutophileAngel]

well said👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[NMMan]

This. Right. Here.

[TraceyByrd]

STFU idiots

[jshm2]

You've used a lot of words to say nothing, kiddo.

You're preaching on something you know even less about than your perceived audience.

So called "twerking" isn't something you do to gain "respect" ; any more than you smoke pot to have deep philosophical conversations with your parents.

Any person who judges another based on one solitary action isn't really a judge of much. No idea why you think twerking is purely sexualising. It's basically a right of passage based on African cultural dance and something a woman would learn growing up. In terms of Western cultures it's basically a "dance move".

Perhaps you're a closet lesbian, if you're seeing something "sexual" in it. Personally I see it as not easy to do right, unless you have the right "shape". Hence more of a "flex" to show fitness and potential.

[Ruenella_]

You did not read.

[ManaX]

"It's basically a right of passage based on African cultural dance and something a woman would learn growing up" - I am African, no it's not. Tribal dance that involves hip movement it totally different from twerking. You look stupid.

[TruthBringer]

Easily one of the best takes on GAG so far. I agree with you 100%. Twerking is nothing more than a way to objectify women and is often performed by degenerates, sluts and hoes. For many men it may be visually "appealing", but never a respectable act. And thus the person performing it is never respected. And for good reason too. If you portray yourself like a slut, then be perceived as one. People who twerk have no class and, no self-respect no dignity. And why should I respect someone who doesn't respect thesmelves? I respect women with class, who are modest, and have good values. Not some slut.

[Ruenella_]

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

I agree. I find twerking distasteful because it just goes to show that a lot of women need to use their body to "gain control" of the man they are after because they have nothing else to offer other than their jiggly bits. Women who claim that its "just a dance move" are also the most provocative women, whom use this dance move only when they are trying to sway the male counterpart in their direction. There is no such thing as modesty anymore and honestly, without modesty, I will never take you seriously.

[Ruenella_]

Thank you, OMG! Couldn't have said it better myself. They're so backwards in their ideology, it's insanity.

[Opinion Owner]

Absolutely!