Girls: Don’t Show Skin If You Don’t Want Guys Looking

[ManOnFire]

It’s been said billions of times for decades, and it probably won’t ever stop being said. Why? Because these chicks want to have their cake and eat it too yet get upset about the results.

I was in a public place today running some errands, and a young girl walked in wearing a skimpy white, sleeveless top and her back is showing, but she was wearing long loose black pants. It’s getting nice and warm now so of course the girls want to run around showing skin. Keep this in mind that I am just another Joe in this place with no interest in this young thing, even if she was cute, she was just too young and too thin for me, and out of instinct I just happen to look up to see who’s coming in.

So the few of us in there - all men until a second woman came in later - are sitting down and I’m laughing to myself because the young girl is just standing up with her phone, trying to make a show that she’s really focused on that, and she just looks so awkward and ridiculous being the only person standing when there was plenty of room for her to sit down somewhere. Instead, she’s giving off all those unnecessary vibes that she’s scared some guy is going to look at her or try to talk to her. And guess what? Some of the guys did look at her, but said nothing. It’s a non-issue.

At some point I think the girl caught me giggling at her and shaking my head because she finally decided to sit down after sooooooo long, but still trying realllllly hard to send that message that her phone is her focus and she's not trying to talk to anyone. Just ridiculous.

Let me say this for the billionth time whether you young girls - and women too for that matter - like it or want to hear it or not: if you don’t want guys looking at you and are going to feel awkward about it, then don’t go out in public showing your skin and body. It really is simple. If you don’t mind dudes looking and you know they will, and you want to wear your booty shorts, tank tops, or whatever else because you like to or even want the attention, then carry on, this message is not for you.

Don’t walk out in public showing your skin and body if you’re going to be self-conscious and carry yourself awkwardly because you worry about male eyes. If I had a daughter I would tell her the same thing. Men are going to look at women and their bodies, they are going to look at your breasts, legs, butt, skin, everything. Even when you use the bullshit explanation that you dress loosely for yourselves, expect that men are still going to look. You're dressing to be seen and you know it. It is male nature and it’s not going to change, and doesn’t even necessarily have to. It's not always right - or done right, but it's not always wrong either.

And you can use tired arguments like “Yeah, but you don’t have to be so obvious about it,” you will still be unhappy even when men are discreetly looking - which most do look discreetly. You’re upset just because you know they are even if they aren’t openly making it known or even talking to you, you will still hate it. You can’t get everything you want in life and you can’t control people down to a tee like you want either. Dress more modestly if it’s going to bother you.

Short rant over.

[alice55]

Men look even when we're fully clothed even women stare at my face for long minutes or my hair. people look no matter what you wear if you look attractive what are we supposed to do hide our face in a trash bad xD

But to be fair I personally don't care if people look or touch me, it happen so often I just ignore it.

[ManOnFire]

Thank you

[Red_Arrow]

Looking is normal. I do not understand why someone would feel okay to touch you or that you would be okay with that.

[alice55]

@Red_Arrow Latin culture is different from Anglo Saxon culture, we're more open, more touchy, we even kiss on the kiss stranger to say hello so

[alice55]

You're welcome

[Anonymous]

I’m pretty sure women won’t get upset if they are being checked out by a guy they find attractive. Women are by every means but visual

[Opinion Owner]

They are * visual. Women hate average guys

[ManOnFire]

Yep, and they have approved of it many times by guys they think are attractive. Women are way more visual than men and care much more about looks than we do.

[Opinion Owner]

Plus they only want guys that make slot of $

[MisterWack]

OR men can keep it in their pants.

Like you are telling me that women should cover up because men are ‘justified’ to look.

There is the difference between staring and looking, be polite and considerate perhaps. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If it is a hot as frick day, I’m sure women are allowed to wear less bulky clothing to stay cool just as men are.
Just a thought of compassion, empathy, seeing things from their perspective.

I always hear on this platform “women wear gym clothes for attention”, “women should cover up not to get stared at like a piece of meat”, then I hear “women dress so bad”. I believe men like these have insecurities of some kind or want to feel validated because it seems to be the same kind of people that refuse to be open to how women view the situation. How come this isn’t a man issue, it is a woman issue? We should ask ourselves that before being so quick to be judgmental.

Summary: Men and women can & will wear whatever they want, doesn’t hurt anyone just wear what you like and don’t worry about people that get so mad over nothing.

[MisterWack]

Again: Men and women can wear whatever they want and will wear whatever they want and it won’t hurt a single person.
Just learn not to get so enraged over a piece of cloth.

[Purpleronnie]

I honestly think that men will look at women regardless of what they wear. I can’t help but notice an attractive women but also , my eyes may stop on a woman just because of her bright pink hair or because she Is wearing a provocative picture or slogan on a top. A woman can even catch my eye because she is wearing clothes that don’t fit with the environment in my opinion - wearing shorts when it’s raining.


To your point though about revealing clothes and the choice in wearing them to perhaps attract attention , I don’t disagree. But to the ladies , I would be interested if there was a universal understanding of looking “creepily” ? I have eyes and they see things , if your slouched over a table with a belt pretending to be a skirt , or a halter-neck top with your side-breast in full show with no bra then every red blooded man is gonna look and probably a lot of women besides.


Constantly staring or gawking is just rude I agree but looking …. I will never apologize for what’s been put in front of my eyes.

[ManOnFire]

@Purpleronnie You make a great point. Eyes are going to see things. Creepy is just what they want to call it.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ur fucking disgusting. looking at young girls and then making excuses like ”oh but its natural” js stfu and turn urself in

[Purpleronnie]

@ManOnFire , you might be right on the creepy part. I think it would be fair that it’s generally thought that any look ‘they’ don’t ‘want’ is creepy which seems strange if they were deliberately dressing provocatively Looks or stares don’t necessarily mean anything negative. Personally if I see a female wearing so little fabric that there is little left for anyone’s imagination I feel embarrassed for them and disappointed that they have so little respect for themselves. It’s not sexy to have that on display in my opinion

[blueonblack22]

“Even when you use the bullshit explanation that you dress loosely for yourselves, expect that men are still going to look.”

💯💯💯on that one bro. I am so fed up with women using that bullshit excuse that they dress provocatively because it’s “for them”. No it isn’t.

They want to be noticed but only by the right people and the right time. And everybody else is magically supposed be able to read their minds and not look at all.

It’s a patently insane and ridículos expectation. It’s like swinging the front door open to your house and yelling at the entire neighborhood then later getting pissed and crying victim when the “wrong” neighbor comes over.

Now this absolutely doesn’t not give any guy an excuse to be blatantly rude and creepy. Definitely not okay with cat calling (although some women hypocritically do this to attractive men). Not okay with men staring longer than 30+ seconds.

But men are literally hard wired to notice. It happens literally by reflex and instinct. And I usually look away the exact second I realize I’m looking. I refrain from letting my mind wander off. But instinctually that usually takes around 3-10 seconds. And unfortunately that’s plenty of time for a woman to notice I’m noticing.

But if she doesn’t like that I noticed then she can go cry a river. I didn’t do anything wrong.

[chocolatetwopointo]

no we dont. in the summer, it gets warm, we’re gonna wear lighter clothes. nobody will yell at u for a quick glance, yk that damn well. u can control ur eyes stop being a fucking creep.

[blueonblack22]

@chocolatetwopointo I explicitly said I am not okay with guys being blatant creeps. Starting for 30+ seconds more, cat calling, making inappropriate comments is NOT okay.

But it’s how you some women get all pissed off when a guy you find physically unattractive reflexively notices you. That is he glances for a moment then looks away. And we both know that women have very strong intuition for that. They literally have eyes on the back of their heads.

There have also even been incidents where the guys gets labeled a “creep” for just being in the vicinity of the provocatively dressed young woman despite the fact he just minding his own f’ing business. Some women feel completely justified to fear monger and creep shame that guy (despite the fact he did nothing wrong) is what needs to STOP.

Below is an example of what I am talking about.

https://youtu.be/lZ7FOb6St9o?si=g1Aj0bDSQjQL_zNQ

[blueonblack22]

*staring for 30 seconds or more

[blueonblack22]

And also @chocolatetwopointo I am a very athletic guy and when I was younger there have been a few incidents where I was stared at, cat called and approached by aggressive woman (often unattractive) women. It didn’t happen often but it did happen. Generally women are better at controlling their instincts with this compared to men but not always.

Now I am was very uncomfortable with the unattractive woman who crossed the line (cat calling, aggressively approaching me). But as for the unattractive women who just glanced and smiled I have NOTHING against them. Nothing. They didn’t do anything wrong. They are human and they so happened to find me physically attractive at the time.

[chocolatetwopointo]

nobody gets mad bc of glances stop being so dramatic. womp womp. dont stare. not that hard. keep ur eyes to urself.
and u think any of that fkn shit is real? all of those videos r set up with actors. stop being so naive.
okay? ur point is? yeah now u know how women have always felt. the same way men js look away when a womans being harrassed. you wouldn't do anything if u saw a woman getting harrassed and yk that damn well.

[msc545]

Well said and exactly right.

[blueonblack22]

@chocolatetwopointo those videos are VERY real. Now I know most women wouldn’t go to that extreme. They are a minority but they are a GROWING minority and that’s the problem. But at least those women got the negative backlash they well deserved.

But maybe I’m wasting my time here. You obviously could care less about how this makes guys feel. Obviously real dismissive and self righteous. But I get it. You live in a society where you are being told that your feelings justify everything.

[chocolatetwopointo]

no they’re not. stop believing everything u see online. the same way y'all ignore the women who get harrassed in gyms etc bc ur egos r too high, but they never have to face any concequences do they?
tbh yes i dont really care. stand up, do smth. ah the ”men are always the victim” guy. we live in a patriarchy. in what world does my feelings justify everything?

[blueonblack22]

@chocolatetwopointo “we live in a patriarchy”. Bingo. That sums up everything I needed to know about you. Everything.

Have a nice day and I wish you the best.

[chocolatetwopointo]

lmao u seriously believe that we dont? man these retards r really stupid nowadays💀🤦‍♀️

[blueonblack22]

@chocolatetwopointo oh yeah you throwing and labels and insults thinking that will somehow make me agree with you also confirms exactly type of person I thought you were. So predictable. But I get it I get it. There is one simple word to sum that all up: PROJECTION.

But anyway I wish you the best of luck on your endeavors. I’m sure you are very happy and fulfilled with your wonderful life.

[chocolatetwopointo]

projecting what exactly? lmao can't even answer and he thinks we dont live in a patriarchy💀

[blueonblack22]

@chocolatetwopointo you are in for a long miserable life. You know that?

[chocolatetwopointo]

why would i?

[HawkPerception]

Brother 100% on this take. Tired of these girls going out in next to nothing expecting to not get checked out. We know 100% they're wearing that to get attention. They can say it's to get a tan at a beach, but if you want a tan and don't want to get checked out, they can go in their backyard or places more private. At the beach they're specifically looking for attention.

And girls talking about yoga pants being super comfortable are full of it. They're wearing it because of how it makes their butt look. If they're talking about equality, if they wear the same kind of shorts, track pants, or sweat pants that men do, they'd get less attention because it wouldn't be tight on their asses.

If you show cleavage, it's because you think it looks good and like getting it checked out. Otherwise, it's not that hard to find a top that covers it. And you don't need to be as extreme as wearing a burka (as mentioned by another user) to dress a little conservatively.

They're gonna complain that they can't show all their skin, when dressing conservatively has been a thing for thousands of years? Oh wow. It must have been so hard and oppressive for our ancestors to cover up a little.

It's not a crime to look. The day it becomes a crime, society would have fallen to such a low point, I wouldn't mind a nuclear war to wipe humanity out.

[Anonymous]

The last part of your "mini" rant is fairly sensible but the rest of the seems to contradicts it just at much in my read of it. "If you don't want guys look, don't show skin" but then "guys will look regardless of what you wear" (both paraphrased) ? It just sounds like a massive L take to make ogling acceptable.

I think everyone should wear whatever they want under the awareness of human psyche - as in, most free who have some sort of sex drive towards your gender and provided you are at least somewhat attractive, will look. The less scrupulous of them overwhelmingly male will be less covert about it.
Showing skin could be a catalyst to that. There may be innocent reasons for it or there may not, but it makes no difference to those who cannot maintain simple decorum and politeness.

However, staring is inappropriate across the board. Not just for this specifically but for anyone and anything. It is rude, no matter the "reasons" for it.

In either case, you are responsible for your actions, not others' actions. Who are you to police what others wear for themselves? What is the point in caring when it shouldn't affect your outward behaviour to other people?

[RavVid]

I swear to god I have a hot girl scanner running 24 x 7 in my reptilian brain just above my brain stem. The reptilian brain contains the basic instincts we need - flight, fight and sex.

It not only gives hot girl alerts but bearings as well. Hot girl incoming 9 c'clock. It usually sees them first unless I am consciously scanning for something beautiful.

Not only that but my reptilian has a proto hot girl hard wired it pattern matches too.

So it is not in any my conscious minds fault at all. Just instincts. If a scantily clad hot girl is offended she can take it up with my reptilian brain. My conscious mind doesn't care much either to tell you the truth.

[ManOnFire]

"Not only that but my reptilian has a proto hot girl hard wired it pattern matches too."

Bro that is just like me lol

[RavVid]

Yeah. Back in the reptile age even lizards needed to react to cute female tail. So all this stuff has got to be back there..

[DishLady]

You have a good point — and I’ve said the same thing for years — but also women at the beach or sporting events may also just be taking that time to catch some sun. They’re not there looking to be ogled.


In the workplace or in the city, though, I’d say there is such thing as proper decorum.

[ManOnFire]

Beach is totally understandable. Everyone is half naked there anyway.

[Beachbummama84]

Eeeh guys are gonna be guys. If I’m in a bikini top I know guys are going to stare at my boobs I’m not there to be ogled but I’m in something skimpy and guys are guys.

[DishLady]

You reap what you sow.

[Sirenboobzilla]

Being stared at is an unfortunate consequence of existing as a woman REGARDLESS of what we wear. The fact that nuns, women in uniform, women in hijabs, etc., are all sexualized is telling enough that we can dress as conservatively as possible and still be oogled

[ManOnFire]

What we are talking about is when women are dressing revealing ON PURPOSE. Not a nun, or a Muslim. Don't dodge the point.

[Sirenboobzilla]

There's hardly a point when we get looked at regardless of whether or not we flaunt by desire or out of comfort. However, I will say this, which might be more what you're looking for: those who do dress provocatively on purpose and proceed to complain about getting gawked at are a different breed of annoying. I'll dress showing cleavage to feel cute, but I understand that I'll get looked at as a result. I can't fault people for looking when I decide to dress.

[ManOnFire]

@Sirenboobzilla This was the fucking point I made from the beginning! All you had to do was understand it the first time.

[Sirenboobzilla]

Let me be aggravated in peace dammit! 😆

[Red_Arrow]

There are places where it is normal to be more exposed than other places, such as beaches and boardwalks. And people will look. People will wear shorts. Guys will often go without shirts. Gals will have lower necklines and looser clothing. People will look, but they should keep comments to themselves. No cat calling.

[ManOnFire]

Most guys don't even catcall women. Especially in today's world if a dude is scared to even talk to one at work they're even less likely to catcall. Catcalling is just a feminist argument to try to make all guys look bad.

[RxR0954]

Oh no look who’s suddenly defensive after making a young girl uncomfortable. Be responsible with knowing what and when to look or not to look. Regardless of what women wear they will get looked at. Half naked? Covering up everything? Guess what? Men like you will fucking look no matter what. Bad intentions? Not always. But is it making people uncomfortable? Yea. Instead of blaming your gaze on what women wear how about you reading the room for once? Not saying you can’t look. You absolutely can. Just know you will also make people uncomfortable and people have the right to be uncomfortable. And they have all the rights to point that out and tell you off.

[ManOnFire]

Oh no. Look who is clearly guilty of exactly what I said.

[RxR0954]

Someone’s projecting

[Anonymous]

Well, this is a dumb take, cause men will be looking regardless of what we wear.
If I'm wearing shorts, I know people will be looking at my legs, it's what people do, women included. That's something you accept when you put on certain clothes.
Looking isn't the issue though. It's the dumb catcalling and unnecessary stalking that comes as a result, because a lot of guys don't have any self control in that regard.
People look all the time, for whatever reason. Just don't try to justify predatory behavior by blaming someone else for your lack of control.

[ManOnFire]

Nah not justifying predatory behavior, I'm calling out women for wanting to look a certain way and then expecting not to be looked at. Simple.

[Kiaros21]

Exactly! The cat calling is irritating. I understand the point but why men have to be such a pervert about it? Women may do it for men but if i see a dress or skit i geniunely like whats wrong with that?

[Agape93]

How about monitor your own sides fucking behavior and stop trying to make us cover up as if we are the problem here.

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Wtf? Talk about victim blaming. I bet he's the type that calls out the women for what they were wearing if she were raped even if she is underage.

[Agape93]

No doubt. I'd be genuinely surprised if he didn't and wouldn't. Pos

[ManOnFire]

Incoming angry white-feminists lol

[Salaciousrouge]

Agreed! Until these women realize that men's brains don't work like women's brains, and that you cannot apply the thought processes attitudes and desires of a woman to (most) men, then these gals will continue to be offended by their very own actions. It is literally in our DNA to look and therefore unnatural if not painful to do otherwise. Men are pretty simple.

But ya know!.. Same goes for men!

@ all dudes: Stop thinking women want to see your junk, find it hot that you show some man-cleavage via selfies in the bathroom, love big fish, or will get hot and bothered when you slyly wink, nod salaciously, or cat-call them. Albeit some may enjoy this. Women are (usually) more complex.

[Zack-Bann]

I’m not sure what you think crying about it will accomplish
This is one of those things that will never change


Girls will always wear revealing clothes, guys will always look, and girls will always pretend to dislike it or be offended by it


99% of time they’re not. As long as you don’t actually go up and bother them in some way


So just look. It’s not a crime. No one can punish you for it.
Make sure you remain respectful and not impose yourself on them just because they’re not covered up.
All will be fine


I get that it’s frustrating when a girl calls you out or gives you the side eye like you’re a creep but you need to have thicker skin than that

[purplepoppy]

So you want us to wear burkas and hide away? Ain't to happen, summers way to short not to enjoy the feeling of warm sun on my skin. I'm sure it males a few guys smile but there's no harm in that and in my experience most men are top polite to stare. Truth is if more women wore less guys would just get used to it.

[ManOnFire]

Not wear burkas, and I am completely okay with women showing SOME skin in the summer, that doesn't bother me. What I'm talking about is when they are purposely dressing for attention, trying to look as whorish as possible... and then hating it when men are looking.

And actually men in the western world ARE used to that, because we see it every year. It's women who still aren't used to men looking at them.

[juleyboo74]

Men look either way, but less clothes is sending a message you want attention... which is why I wear as little as possible on Friday and Saturday night because I luv attention! xxoo

[ManOnFire]

At least you are honest about it.

[Anonymous]

There does many tribals society exists where women are completely topless or they are almost totally naked. There also men does exist in that society. All age group of female exists there all naked. Males also all naked. Even they do follow some rules. They don't keep staring all the female around them all the time because they are showing their exist there such "instinct" doesn't exist to stare the showing skin.

So don't blame those female what's they are wearing for the stare men do.

[Opinion Owner]

Actually men do stare each and everyone looking good to them. And if they are horny they are looking each and every one including child and minors.

I think it's easier to count when men won't stare. There is problem with men not the women

[new-person]

One thing I said to a girlfriend of mine was. What ever energy you put off is what energy you are going to attract. Example

[ManOnFire]

This is so true. And then they can't stand it when that energy is coming back.

[Vampirelover_12]

We get it, you men want to be slutty whores and look at women you're unmarried to instead of saving yourselves. Slags look at women, men sit and smile.

They don't show skin, either. As gay men are easy to tempt, if you don't want another man listing after you, then cover up.

[ManOnFire]

If you had a 17 year-old daughter, would YOU be okay with her running around in public showing a lot of skin, dressed improperly? Would you tell her it's okay if she wants to even though you know there will be men much older looking at her? Or would you rather tell her she needs to cover up for that reason?

[Vampirelover_12]

I'd tell the men that them looking means that they're a pedo. And women get raped wearing whatever. Go preach that masculist shit elsewhere and learn to smile more.

[ManOnFire]

Stop dodging and answer the question. Would YOU be okay with her running around in public showing a lot of skin, dressed improperly?

[Vampirelover_12]

Would you be okay with your son dressing inappropriately? He knows women are visual creatures. I think he should cover up.

Girls and women on the other hand can show lots of skin, but the second a male does it, he's begging for attention. So yes my daughter can show a lot of skin, nobody looks at women that way. So why not?

[ManOnFire]

You MUST be playing dumb on purpose.

[Vampirelover_12]

Well I am talking to a male.

[Vampirelover_12]

They're experts in being dumb

[ManOnFire]

@Vampirelover_12 🥱 Give a real argument next time, little cretin.

[Vampirelover_12]

What. You males can't handle the truth. Ever since we have you the right to vote, you had forgotten your place is at home taking care of babies. But no, you guys want to be floozies nowadays.

You're hard to even flirt with now. Back then your grandpa's would've smiled when a woman held a door for them. I wish the good old days when men just shut up.

[Sal_Monella]

They want us to look. They just don't want us to be creeps about it. They like seeing you make that sidelong glance from behind those wraparound shades. I did that recreationally for years at the beach. Not a single scowl even when they caught me. I even got instant little body movements to help me get a better view.

[chocolatetwopointo]

no we dont. its not hard to control ur eyes.