Do women know the difference between RAPE and REGRET?

[BlackParade]

Do they?

[Anonymous]

I can't believe you are asking this question.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like you're bitter.

[MissMillionDollarMan]

no often we think that rape is regret. I can't tell you how many people have asked "they had sex with me when I told them to stop is that rape?" and various instances where they clearly were saying no e. i. kicking, biting, screaming.

I realize where this is coming from but a lot women will blame themselves for rape and that's not right.
I'm not saying that every rape accusation is correct there's this thing where the victim will blame someone else rather than the perpetrator because it's someone close to them or someone they're afraid of etc. This is why rape cases are treated usually very carefully because it can be very easy to lead someone in a vulnerable state especially if they are afraid of naming the actual person.

[Anonymous]

It seems fewer do every day.
Honestly, I don't see how I could look myself in the mirror if I decided to legitimately ruin someone's life in order to cope with the fact that I don't want to take responsibility for my own actions. I mean what kind of person makes a false rape claim because they regretted it the next morning?

[Lucious22]

When you are someone and realize it’s jailtime soon so you go out being a total dick, mate many women know and men does also know the word NO, it’s simple just because someone do it doesn’t mean it’s all women, and just because some men rape doesn’t mean that’s all either,

[MlleCake]

Of course we do. Do you know how to obtain enthusiastic consent?

[WillyD]

If that were possible there wouldn't be rape. I'm not condoning rape just FYI.

[MlleCake]

It is possible.

[WillyD]

i think we need clarification in this post. A guy digs a girl. He does everything to win her over. she likes the attention so she goes along with it. finally it reaches a point where it's getting physical he's really into it at this point and maybe she feels ok i've got the attention i was seeking now i'm done. "NO" she says. he thinks this is just another roadblock and continues. and he rapes her.
Once again not condoning what he did. But no amount of "trying to obtain enthusiastic consent" was going to make her consent. And let's be clear I'm not saying she was obligated an any way. but i don't think it's right for her to encourage him then all of a sudden say "NO". once again rape is never ok, but it was only a matter of time before a woman who acts like that eventually runs into a guy who doesn't take no for an answer. you get what i'm saying.

[andreasderjuengere]

''Enthusiastic consent'' - I like your word.

[MlleCake]

WillyD, if you don't have enthusiastic consent, don't proceed. It's really pretty simple. The cause of rape is rapists. The victim is not responsible for a person who doesn't get consent.

[WillyD]

Mllecake i know rape is wrong. it's ridiculous that that even needs to be said. you said "do you know how to obtain enthusiastic consent". as though that is always possible. and all i'm saying is not every woman is having it. That doesn't stop them women from essentially baiting guys. This is why if a woman is hot/cold with me in anyway i just tell her to play her games with somebody else. And walk away. They're the same type that might pull some janky S*** with you. Better safe than sorry no lay is worth that.

[MlleCake]

Right. If you're getting mixed signals, the answer is no. If you're getting anything less than enthusiastic consent, the answer is no.

The reason so many guys think women confuse rape and regret is that so many guys really do not make sure the woman really desires sex with them, and they are used to just going for it, and don't realize how coercive they have been. If a woman allows sex just so she won't have to get in a fight with the guy that isn't really very consensual.

(Not that women don't do shitty things to men too, but you asked specifically about a problem between the way men think vs. women think.)

[WillyD]

I'm glad you added that last part. Because Men are conditioned to be "aggressive" to win a woman over. The fact that man are supposed to wait for a woman to be "enthusiatic" as you say is contrary to what women teach them. some times a half dozen "No's" = a No but sometimes a half dozen "No's" can = a yes. And the woman says " i didn't like him at first but he was persistent and won me over"

[MlleCake]

Well, it's for women to work it out if they find they can't get themselves to say yes when they do want the sex. We are shamed in all sorts of ways about acknowledging and acting on our own sexual desire. It would help if people weren't so quick to apply the labels slut, whore and thot to women who admit to liking sex and wanting it. (Or, to really any woman for any reason, because they have become generic insults anytime someone doesn't like how a woman acted.) We have a lot of cultural pressure to deny our own needs and desires.

[WillyD]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Men wouldn't apply those labels if women were more consistent in their actions. A lot of the women you describe as "acknowledging and accepting" their own sexual desire are the same one's that keep one guy on the sideline for a month leading him on (because she likes the attention even though she's knows it's never going to go anywhere), while going on a date with another guy that she met a half hr. ago and deciding to sleep with him because she got a case of the "feels". Then after he's hits it and quits it she feels shamed as you put it (I can't imagine why). FYI i try not to use those labels i just say they are "not quality women" because quality women do not act like that.
And when i say what's good for the goose is good for the gander what i mean is women have a problem with guys that are out just to get laid. it's just a male version of the woman i just described. guessing you have a problem with that version though.

[MlleCake]

@WillyD Rarely are these labels applied with any awareness of whether the woman is just out to get laid or is genuinely looking for a relationship.

Rarely are these labels applied with any factual knowledge about the woman's sexuality.

[WillyD]

I feel like this conversation is circling. Women ( Not all but a lot) bait guys. You have a problem with guys that call women the aformentioned names but you have no qualms about how women bait guys. rape is not acceptable any way you slice it. But as i said it's hard for me to feel sorry for a woman that baits guy after guy and eventually runs into the one guy who doesn't stop. I'm not going to say she earned it. because nobody deserves that. Even a really horrible woman. but i will say she did kind of reap what she sewed.

[MlleCake]

@WillyD It's not baiting a guy to be on a date and only want to go so far. That's ridiculous.

[WillyD]

No that's not what i'm talking about and you know that. I'm talking about faking interest in a guy to get a desired response.

[MlleCake]

@WillyD Guys fake interest in women to achieve certain goals as well. Many woman has been taken in by a man who promised love but only really wanted sex. It's not good for anyone to falsely represent themselves in a relationship, but I fail to see how that is baiting. Perhaps you can describe what you mean in more detail.

[Cammy137]

Some do, some don't. Id imagine most do, its just the feminazis who struggle with the concept.

[Celtero]

No, because women are not responsible enough to have consensual sex, therefore their fathers should be the one to designate her partner.

[ciitruskiwi]

Yeah because every father is just absolutely amazing right? 🙄 Some fathers are absolute shit, some aren't even around so how the hell are they supposed to be one "designate her partner"?

[ciitruskiwi]

Be the one to*

[Celtero]

@ciitruskiwi I'm joking, though OP still has a point.

[Curmudgeon]

Increasingly they don't, and will lie about it in order to ruin you, out of spite.

[witherwing]

Of course they know the difference. It wouldn't count as lying, if they didn't.

[andreasderjuengere]

Many (or most?) do. But the loudest frogs in the pool control the sound level.

[Anonymous]

Do men understand the difference between a genuine yes and coercion?

[Anonymous]

i don't understand the question. Do guys know the difference between yes and no?

[andreasderjuengere]

PLEASE: Yes today, and no tomorrow? It's like you sold your car, changed your mind, and filed a police report for theft.

[Opinion Owner]

@andreasderjuengere oh stop being so bitter...

[andreasderjuengere]

This is not bitterness. Personally, I rather feel amused, confused and concerned about where this human society heads to.

[Opinion Owner]

@andreasderjuengere amused AND confused? Tell me more. :)

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Stop using "bitter" like it's a magic word. ^_^

[Opinion Owner]

@FýrdracaDócincel it's not magic. I just see a lot of men blaming women for their own problems

[FýrdracaDócincel]

What's our problem here? Explain.

[andreasderjuengere]

Confused: I can't quite understand how some (not all) people apparently mix up facts that have nothing to do with each other. We see many ''cases'' that are actually just seeking attention. Other ''cases'' come out of the inability to accept that one had made a mistake. And these cases are obviously exaggerated, overrated and misplaced - they harm the initial idea of seeking justice against REAL rape. Not long ago, a stranger woman had grabbed my butts. Should I now run to file a police report? It's hilarious; that's why I laugh - or feel amused. I also laugh about other village-idiot-behavior.

[Opinion Owner]

@FýrdracaDócincel there is no problem here. I just think that lots of times the blame is so very one-sided. Men get burned or get angry or get rejected or make the the wrong decision, and they they lay all of the blame on women...

[Opinion Owner]

@andreasderjuengere fair enough...

[Anonymous]

Not every woman is just looking to score victim points on social media... Actually wait. YES they are. But fortunately not every woman will take it to that level.

[Anonymous]

Democrats and other leftwing scum certainly don´t.

[NEOTUNIA2U]

You are a man. 😂

[Opinion Owner]

@NEOTUNIA2U No, sorry to disappoint you.

[NEOTUNIA2U]

Your mindset.

[Opinion Owner]

@NEOTUNIA2U My mindset is more rational than emotional, if that´s what you mean. So maybe you´re just sexist enough to be prejudiced against women, thinking they´re not capable of rational thinking.

[NEOTUNIA2U]

Nope a man hiding behind a pinkie. Lol

[NEOTUNIA2U]

You wanna lie

[NEOTUNIA2U]

I know how women feel because I am one. You dont.

[Opinion Owner]

@NEOTUNIA2U So basically, you believe all women have share one political view? That´s the very epitome of sexism.

[NEOTUNIA2U]

No, you are only here to root for your gay lover who also lain with women to fuck them up.

[BlackParade]

Marry me 😍😍I'm legal by the end of january!!!

[Anonymous]

Yes, one is real. The other is what most girls do today.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

A large percentage don't.

[newPython]

Half of them don't.

[Repa33]

Of course

[MrKinktastic]

Most do yes