Why do feminists think we should teach men not to rape people, but not how to defend against rape?

[Thisperson98]

[notallthere98]

It's not about teaching grown ass men who should already know not to rape, and it's not about telling rapists not to rape again. They have already proven they are scum and past being worth anyone's time. It's about teaching kids about concent. It's not letting little boys get away with pulling a girl's hair because they like them and don't know how else to express it. It's about raising kids to understand boundaries, personal space, and that when someone says no, they mean in. It's about a better sex ed system that teaches teenagers about informed, uncoerced, enthusiastic consent.
The school I went to was considered very open and progressive. We had books in our library others schools had banned. We were taught things in history class that others kids my age who'd gone to different schools were shocked to find out. We were often the first school in the city or province to offer new classes that weren't taught anywhere else. But in the four years I was there, we talked about consent in class once. You know who brought it up? My philosophy teacher. For about 1 1/2 minutes, maybe. That was it. We spent a week learning about STD's in health class, but they couldn't be bothered to touch on consent for even twenty minutes.

[AmanoYin]

Why do people think the answer to someone elses problems start off by criticizing the person?
If you want to change the world "thisperson98" you must first start by changing yourself.
If you want to give people peace of mind and true honest love, you must start off by loving and respecting yourself, so that you don't end up saying things without consideration, things that'd bug you if you were in their shoes.

IF YOU WANT TO help someone, then give them help not your own personal views on why they are wrong.

If you want to be wise, then you must first have empathy.

[Anonymous]

Women have been taught how to defend themselves from rape for the past decade. Has that solved the rape problem? No.
When addressing an issue, you need to cut it off at the root of the problem. This means teaching consent in SexEd classes, which has never really been delved into during those times. It doesn't mean teaching rapists not to rape because as many people have pointed out, bad habits die hard. It means teaching both boys and girls about rape and consent.
Additionally, for everyone who is saying that men shouldn't be viewed as potential rapists, I completely agree. However, we should not disregard the fact that studies show that the majority of men think about sex every single day - this means that they themselves should be on guard about situations where they may be tempted to attempt intercourse without consent, especially as many people (including women) get caught up in moments of lust very easily.
Of course, I'm just speaking as a woman who is close friends with a rape victim. So hey, what do I know, right? I'm just a stupid feminist.

[Ruthless1]

spot on.👌🏾 except refer to her as a rape survivor, your friend that is. but the truth you tell. (in my Yoda voice)😉

[Astoriana]

Past decade? I think it's closer to "all of recorded history, and probably before then also."

[Opinion Owner]

@Astoriana tru that

[Opinion Owner]

@Ruthless1 Ah my bad! That does sound a lot better than 'victim', doesn't it. She definitely is a survivor.

[Ruthless1]

that's she is. 👌🏾

[kaylaS91]

It makes sense to teach women how to make smart decisions (as in, don't go walking alone in sketchy parts of town at night, especially when drunk) IN ADDITION to not putting all of the blame on them for deserving being raped when it occurs and they just so happened to have kind of put the target on their back by an error in judgement.

I mean.. yes, women are unfortunately always going to be the underdog when it comes to physical strength/sexual prowess. However, saying 'rape is okay' if a guy happens to find a girl in a not so smart circumstance is not okay, either. I mean, the encouragement of the latter (it's okay to force your dick inside a woman if she shows her shoulder) is why so many gang rapes occur in the middle east/India.

[backdoorman]

Where do you see that "encouragement of the latter" happening? I haven't seen it so I'm just curious.

[backdoorman]

Never mind, I missed the "middle east/India" at the end of your last sentence. Sorry 'bout that. I agree with you.

[RJGraveyTrain]

I think because many assume that rapists are just normal men who can be taught out of it. Sure, that might help, but many rapists are literally mentally deranged, sick people, who won't give a fuck if you tell them it's wrong. It being WRONG is the entire point for them.

[AshrafWest]

Good point. But if we teach everyone self defense, it will cancel out, because they will know to fight too. Because we have to acknowledge the facts that all rapists were once innocent young boys.

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest I can teach people self defense that can only be used as a defense.

[AshrafWest]

I don't believe you. Self defense includes attack. If every citizen learns self defense , so will the criminals. Moreover they are professional because the fight and Jill and rape for a living. The best way is to do what you can and involve the police

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest not always, there is many self defense techniques that can only be used as a defense.

[AshrafWest]

But will not be as effective. Moreover, I am pretty sure that the law enforcement are much more capable of controling such situations, of course if they are in time ( usually late )

[AshrafWest]

For the record, I have a black belt in karate

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest lmao, a lot of the time law enforcement in the US is terribly trained on hand to hand combat. More and more departments get trained correctly, but still a lot of them aren't.
I know plenty of self defense techniques that really can be used in self defense that are very effective.

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest I have multiple black belts. 😒

[Thisperson98]

Can only be used in self defense*

[AshrafWest]

I wasn't trying to say I am better than you, I was trying to say I understand how self defense works

[AshrafWest]

at least give me an example

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest the attacker grabs the victim's right hand with the attacker's right hand. It of course works if the attacker uses their left to grab the other person's left.
Step 1: rotate your wrist until you can grab the attackers wrist.
Step 2: step to side if needed.
Step 3: you put your hand on the back of the elbow, this will put the attacker into an arm bar.
It is hard to explain, let me see if I can find a video or something.

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest www.hapkido-defense-system.com/...20Hand%20Vic.gif

[RJGraveyTrain]

Hey ladies, wanna take the cock fight elsewhere? 😂

[Thisperson98]

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[AshrafWest]

First of all I know this move. We use it to disarm knives and guns. But martial arts don't only teach safe moves. They teach dirty and brutal moves like strikes to eyes, nose, groin, knees , ribs and many more. You cannot deny that fact. What I am saying is if you reach your sister or daughter how to defend herself it's effective. But if everyone learns it, some might use it for worse. Moreover criminals are experts as they do it for a living, so it won't help the ordinary citizen at all.

[AshrafWest]

@RJGraveyTrain that was transphobic

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest tell me how you can use the techniques I showed as an attack?

[AshrafWest]

You purposefully grab someone's hand and apply pressure on their elbow till it snaps. And I repeat I didn't not say this move I said other moves which we learn during practice, and we cannot deny are dangerous

[Thisperson98]

@AshrafWest and who said you must teach the other techniques? There is many of techniques like the one I showed that can't be used for attacking. So why not teach those?

[raspberry0416]

You should do both. And when people talk about teaching men not to rape, it's not about telling a convicted rapist that rape is wrong. It's about teaching young boys to respect women's sexual boundaries instead of thinking it's ok to violate them just to get some.

[OlderAndWiser]

For the vocal members of the feminist movement, their perspective is rather egocentric and not at all egalitarian. I am not suggesting that all women who endorse any feminist ideas are self-centered; I am only saying that the women who speak the loudest on these issues appear to be rather egocentric.

[ThisDudeHere]

This whole thing in my opinion is done because of some deep hatred for men, not because of some logically made conclusion that rapists can be thaught to rape. Sorry, I meant men, since they assume that all men are rapists.

[madhatters4]

there are tons of feminists who due suggest learning how to defend against rape or prevent rape. but also teaching people that rape is wrong is another method of dealing with the issue

it seems you presume that feminist don't advocate for learning how to avoid rape but a quick google search i did drew plenty of results

[DonkeyRick69]

When did you discover rape was wrong?

[madhatters4]

@DonkeyRick69 what is your point in asking this question dude?

[DonkeyRick69]

These campaigns from feminists and sjw's are usually about doing nothing about anything.
Rapists already know rape is wrong.
Murders know already rape is wrong
Thieves know already theft is wrong
Peadophilles already know paedophilia is wrong... i could go on all day. Point is people that committ terrible crimes know it's wrong they just don't care at least they dont careif they think they can escape justice and education and awareness campaign will never change that. Imagine a woman coming to your school to teach you not to rape. (Read in the voice of Peter Griffin) " Rape is wrong... i never knew that"

[Dale1982]

Feminists would have you convinced all men are potential rapists. It's just deluded fantasies that hate breeds. Normal men hate rapists as well. Rapists and child molestors get tortured and murdered in jail and in the streets in a lot of places by other men. 99.9999% of men don't prey on women, they're either indifferent or they protect them. Feminism is a whispering campaign to incite hate and division between men and women who need each other to perpetuate our species. So, in essence, they're anti-life and should be told to fuck off

[Silber48]

Well I'm no "modern feminist or "3th wave femenist"

And I think the socity should first teach man not to rape and then teach weak people how to defend themselves,

I think that the femists want to be actual courses in high school or college about why rape is wrong but 99% of people already know that from "what I don't want to be done to me I shouldn't do to others" principal

In westren country's everybody know rape is wrong incloding the rapist themselfs who just don't care

So In my opinion in sexual health
Lesson in school they should in 15 minutes explain why it wrong for the wierdos who didn't knew it and after that focus in teaching self defense

[davidshaw]

First of all, using memes as an actual topic point for an argument is lame and nonintellectual.

But anyway, whilst I don't agree with everything modern feminists say (particularly rad fems) in this case there's a good reason. While it needs to be stressed that men are not animals and that rape (in most countries) a fringe violent crime, therefore only a tiny slice of men actually do it.

But they teach men not to rape rather than teach women to defend (although they teach both in some ways, at least from where I'm from) because we should live in a society that has decency and respect for everyone, rape is barbarous and animalistic by definition. Also, seeming that men are naturally physically stronger than women, unless that woman knows more martial arts, SAS, stronger than her attacker, she more often than not will not be able to defend herself.

[akadatank44]

Because those so called "feminist" think that all men rape when in fact fucked up men do that kinda shit.
And thats the thing you can teach women how to protect them soles but thats not going to save them either. Most women freeze up when the rape occurs. And then people ask "well why didn't you fight back?" Because they couldn't.

[demonics]

Lack of agency on their part. Its YOUR responsibility to make sure she doesn't stumble out of a bar shit faced drunk and into traffic. Simple as that. No agency = no responsibilty = no blame. Its literally 3rd wave feminism in a nutshell.

Teach women not to drown their kids in the bathtub because husband *MIGHT* be cheating.

[Dale1982]

Never thought I'd see the day common sense had to be broken down and explained. Our new wave liberals love picking everything apart

[Anonymous]

You can't teach anyone not to rape, rob, kill, lie etc. There are always going to be bad people in the world so you as an individual have to take responsibility of your own safety. I agree we can't always protect ourselves, but we have to try and limit the risk we sometimes put ourselves in. I'm a guy and I don't go out and get blackout drunk or even walk the streets at night because I don't want anything happen to me. So feminist can go f off with that nonsense.

[williamsa1997]

great meme, basically Feminists like to scapegoat everything to being men's collective fault so they expect us to sort it out, kinda counterintuitive to them wanting equality really

[Phoenix98]

Because feminists are stupid, hell they created the myth of rape culture in the US. And they basically they say hey rape me, when they walk around shirtless/bra-less or straight naked.

[ManOnFire]

In all honesty, you can't teach men not to rape because you shouldn't have to be told. You just know it's wrong. You just don't do it.

[DanielKaluuya]

Being a rapist is a mental disorder. You can't just tell men to not rape because it doesn't work like that. Famous men who could fuck anyone they want to still rape so it's not about a big lack of pussy in a mans life.

[meatballs21]

The same thinking suggests that because people know stealing is wrong, you can walk through the ghetto waving a wad of cash of your head.

[meatballs21]

*over

[Astoriana]

Why blame the victims instead of the perpetrators? "Oh, you say you were raped? You must have wanted it, because you didn't fight them off properly." --> what you are saying, essentially.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, it's about as dumb as teaching people not to murder and expecting that to solve the problem.

Feminists are not about protecting women from threats. They are about political and social power, nothing more.

[Dale1982]

Like everybody else in powerful positions. The pr story is always it's for the sale of the masses, in reality it's using the masses to gain power, position a wealth. Ie it's all selfish motivations nothing more

[Opinion Owner]

@Dale1982 Exactly right brother. Too bad more people are not smart / savvy enough to recognize that.

[Dale1982]

Everybody out to save their own skin mate. The only human trait more powerful than love is survival. It underpins everything. Too bad it makes us so selfish and ruthless. The very essence of a person is evil

[Opinion Owner]

@Dale1982 But the majority can work together to defeat the evil of the few. We all benefit for organized opposition to bullshit like feminism.

[Dale1982]

You control the information though you control the people. Every channel of information they've ever invented from the press to the radio to the net they've regulated and sold off to private interests. Look at America, 6 corporations control all the public's information flow. They agree on a narrative and use bias to indoctrinate folk into their way of thinking. Usually it benefits some rich group wanting to go to war for natural resources who have enough officials in their pockets to force it through. There's a steady rise in media tools and a steady decline in education funding. Smart people ask too many questions you see. Three quarters of numbnuts have never read a book. They got men wearing make up and wanting to be female coz the tv told them to. They're like rats to the pied piper, totally docile and controlled. Feminism is the latest one. It plays on all women's insecurities real or inherited. Most of its outright lies as well. Rape culture? Patriarchy? Load of wank

[Dale1982]

The real agenda is to turn men and women against each other to stop us breeding. Women want to be free and independent yet they try and copy the very thing they're fighting against inside the very sandbox men created for themselves. They just know hate these feminists and a hatefilled person is a blind and deaf person. They can't even see they're slaves to themselves. Too stupid

[deraz24]

Both would come in handy but I mean people shouldn't have to be worried ab that in the first place

[AzureGirl]

I think both should be taught, though to both genders. Because men also get raped, not just women.

[Djaaay]

So your suggesting I can learn self defense and wup the shit out of a woman who try's to rape me ?

[AzureGirl]

Sure, why not?

[Djaaay]

Could you elaborate a little on this please ?

[Whysosirius7]

How do you teach a rapist not to rape?

[AzureGirl]

Well i think the importance of consent should be taught as part as sex Ed in school since I believe it's not really talked about. But then you always have those sickos who can't seem to accept that answer so in that case the self defense should also be taught in the event someone tries to rape another person

[Djaaay]

@Whysosirius7. Show him or her what happens to the one before them. You can't fix stupid.

[Djaaay]

Agree , although , many men also know exclusive arts themselfs. Now what do you do in a case such as that?

[fromfontana]

@Whysosirius7 You're missing the point here. It's not teaching a rapist how to rape. It's educating men not to rape. Men as a whole. Men who have the potential to be caught in a sticky situation where they may be tempted to do something. The same applies for women, however when looking at statistics, men are more likely to be rapist, as I think you may already very well know.

[TrollGxD]

As if men aren't already taught manners and to not touch women (people in general) without permission. Don't break your head over this, you can't fucking reason with a feminist.

[the-mad-german]

Feminists are just idiots... thats all. Dont take them serious xD

[Anonymous]

From a young age I had images and things drilled into my brain about rape, got called rapists, murderer, psychopath. Because this is the only things that would be drilled into by the opposite sex. Does this mean I am within my rights to eventually blow up and punish this abuser or do I take it out on myself?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Because they're too dumb to know how to defend themselves

[RolandCuthbert]

You do realize, that some people would rather just live in a society where violence wasn't normal.

[Whysosirius7]

That society isn't realistic though, rapists are rapists because they want sex and don't care what the victim wants, so you can't teach them not to

[RolandCuthbert]

@Whysosirius7 Those societies exist all over the planet. If you like living in a violent society, that is your choice. A lot of people like to live in places where they do not have to carry a gun to survive.

Another 19 year old kid with these concrete ideals.

You guys are going to need to stop just basing assertions on politics. You are going to have to embrace facts and research.

http://www.nationmaster.com/blog/?p=74

[Whysosirius7]

In response to the article I have a few points to make. That's talking about convicted crimes, and only 5.7% of alleged rapists are convicted. "You are going to have to embrace facts and research" too, it seems.

Another point, I'm from the UK, where I don't carry a gun, in fact only one person I know has a gun license and she has never used it outside of her property to my knowledge. Self defence doesn't just mean guns.

Third and finally, "stop just basing assertions on politics" - I never mentioned politics, unless you count mentioning rape and teaching and politics, in which case this whole conversation is about politics.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Whysosirius7 What do those stats have to do with what we are talking about? You are saying that women should carry a gun in a violent society. And if you are saying they should only have it at home, what good is that doing her?

I am from America. I am quite sure this is not a political issue in the UK. But here in America it certainly is. And the NRA says if you don't like crime, carry a gun. It is like the stupidest argument I have ever heard of. But it seems to be working for now.

[Whysosirius7]

Can you not read or do you choose not to? The question states "self defence" not "carry a gun". Of course Americans may find it hard to distinguish a difference so I'll let you off, but for future, a gun isn't necessary, self defence is

[RolandCuthbert]

@Whysosirius7 Young one, I have never seen anyone argue against taking common sense precautions to prevent rape. But the cartoon above says, "what does rape culture look like?" and the first entry is about carrying a gun.

I don't think you can go back and edit your post now.

[Whysosirius7]

That's an example of self defence. Self defence and gun carrying are not synonyms

[RolandCuthbert]

@Whysosirius7 I am sure young one.

Yawn. . . .

[Whysosirius7]

You're sure of what? Or are you, by saying "yawn" and not making any sense, claiming you're too sleepy/tired to understand and therefore offhandedly admitting defeat

[anoddtod]

women that have no idea what they do/did during a blackout use rape as an excuse.
that is the "rape culture" that needs addressing on the other side of the fence.

[RealDarkeyes]

Not being sexist or anything but men aren't the only rapists, although they are the majority women rape men too
Also just dont rape people

[Olivia12345]

Meme that tells a story. And funny.

[Blitzkrieger]

Feminist theory doesn't stop rape, whats new?

[ladsin]

I don't have evidence that that's the case.

[lizziepooh03]

Cuz they are idiots.

[Eugene]

Best comic ever.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

I can't tell if you are trolling or serious.

[Lumberman53]

Because fuck logic

[MisterSir]

cause they stupid