It's not about teaching grown ass men who should already know not to rape, and it's not about telling rapists not to rape again. They have already proven they are scum and past being worth anyone's time. It's about teaching kids about concent. It's not letting little boys get away with pulling a girl's hair because they like them and don't know how else to express it. It's about raising kids to understand boundaries, personal space, and that when someone says no, they mean in. It's about a better sex ed system that teaches teenagers about informed, uncoerced, enthusiastic consent.
The school I went to was considered very open and progressive. We had books in our library others schools had banned. We were taught things in history class that others kids my age who'd gone to different schools were shocked to find out. We were often the first school in the city or province to offer new classes that weren't taught anywhere else. But in the four years I was there, we talked about consent in class once. You know who brought it up? My philosophy teacher. For about 1 1/2 minutes, maybe. That was it. We spent a week learning about STD's in health class, but they couldn't be bothered to touch on consent for even twenty minutes.
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Why do people think the answer to someone elses problems start off by criticizing the person?
If you want to change the world "thisperson98" you must first start by changing yourself.
If you want to give people peace of mind and true honest love, you must start off by loving and respecting yourself, so that you don't end up saying things without consideration, things that'd bug you if you were in their shoes.
IF YOU WANT TO help someone, then give them help not your own personal views on why they are wrong.
If you want to be wise, then you must first have empathy.
Women have been taught how to defend themselves from rape for the past decade. Has that solved the rape problem? No.
When addressing an issue, you need to cut it off at the root of the problem. This means teaching consent in SexEd classes, which has never really been delved into during those times. It doesn't mean teaching rapists not to rape because as many people have pointed out, bad habits die hard. It means teaching both boys and girls about rape and consent.
Additionally, for everyone who is saying that men shouldn't be viewed as potential rapists, I completely agree. However, we should not disregard the fact that studies show that the majority of men think about sex every single day - this means that they themselves should be on guard about situations where they may be tempted to attempt intercourse without consent, especially as many people (including women) get caught up in moments of lust very easily.
Of course, I'm just speaking as a woman who is close friends with a rape victim. So hey, what do I know, right? I'm just a stupid feminist.
It makes sense to teach women how to make smart decisions (as in, don't go walking alone in sketchy parts of town at night, especially when drunk) IN ADDITION to not putting all of the blame on them for deserving being raped when it occurs and they just so happened to have kind of put the target on their back by an error in judgement.
I mean.. yes, women are unfortunately always going to be the underdog when it comes to physical strength/sexual prowess. However, saying 'rape is okay' if a guy happens to find a girl in a not so smart circumstance is not okay, either. I mean, the encouragement of the latter (it's okay to force your dick inside a woman if she shows her shoulder) is why so many gang rapes occur in the middle east/India.
I think because many assume that rapists are just normal men who can be taught out of it. Sure, that might help, but many rapists are literally mentally deranged, sick people, who won't give a fuck if you tell them it's wrong. It being WRONG is the entire point for them.
You should do both. And when people talk about teaching men not to rape, it's not about telling a convicted rapist that rape is wrong. It's about teaching young boys to respect women's sexual boundaries instead of thinking it's ok to violate them just to get some.
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For the vocal members of the feminist movement, their perspective is rather egocentric and not at all egalitarian. I am not suggesting that all women who endorse any feminist ideas are self-centered; I am only saying that the women who speak the loudest on these issues appear to be rather egocentric.
This whole thing in my opinion is done because of some deep hatred for men, not because of some logically made conclusion that rapists can be thaught to rape. Sorry, I meant men, since they assume that all men are rapists.
there are tons of feminists who due suggest learning how to defend against rape or prevent rape. but also teaching people that rape is wrong is another method of dealing with the issue
it seems you presume that feminist don't advocate for learning how to avoid rape but a quick google search i did drew plenty of resultsThese campaigns from feminists and sjw's are usually about doing nothing about anything.
Rapists already know rape is wrong.
Murders know already rape is wrong
Thieves know already theft is wrong
Peadophilles already know paedophilia is wrong... i could go on all day. Point is people that committ terrible crimes know it's wrong they just don't care at least they dont careif they think they can escape justice and education and awareness campaign will never change that. Imagine a woman coming to your school to teach you not to rape. (Read in the voice of Peter Griffin) " Rape is wrong... i never knew that"Feminists would have you convinced all men are potential rapists. It's just deluded fantasies that hate breeds. Normal men hate rapists as well. Rapists and child molestors get tortured and murdered in jail and in the streets in a lot of places by other men. 99.9999% of men don't prey on women, they're either indifferent or they protect them. Feminism is a whispering campaign to incite hate and division between men and women who need each other to perpetuate our species. So, in essence, they're anti-life and should be told to fuck off
Well I'm no "modern feminist or "3th wave femenist"
And I think the socity should first teach man not to rape and then teach weak people how to defend themselves,
I think that the femists want to be actual courses in high school or college about why rape is wrong but 99% of people already know that from "what I don't want to be done to me I shouldn't do to others" principal
In westren country's everybody know rape is wrong incloding the rapist themselfs who just don't care
So In my opinion in sexual health
Lesson in school they should in 15 minutes explain why it wrong for the wierdos who didn't knew it and after that focus in teaching self defenseFirst of all, using memes as an actual topic point for an argument is lame and nonintellectual.
But anyway, whilst I don't agree with everything modern feminists say (particularly rad fems) in this case there's a good reason. While it needs to be stressed that men are not animals and that rape (in most countries) a fringe violent crime, therefore only a tiny slice of men actually do it.
But they teach men not to rape rather than teach women to defend (although they teach both in some ways, at least from where I'm from) because we should live in a society that has decency and respect for everyone, rape is barbarous and animalistic by definition. Also, seeming that men are naturally physically stronger than women, unless that woman knows more martial arts, SAS, stronger than her attacker, she more often than not will not be able to defend herself.Because those so called "feminist" think that all men rape when in fact fucked up men do that kinda shit.
And thats the thing you can teach women how to protect them soles but thats not going to save them either. Most women freeze up when the rape occurs. And then people ask "well why didn't you fight back?" Because they couldn't.Lack of agency on their part. Its YOUR responsibility to make sure she doesn't stumble out of a bar shit faced drunk and into traffic. Simple as that. No agency = no responsibilty = no blame. Its literally 3rd wave feminism in a nutshell.
Teach women not to drown their kids in the bathtub because husband *MIGHT* be cheating.You can't teach anyone not to rape, rob, kill, lie etc. There are always going to be bad people in the world so you as an individual have to take responsibility of your own safety. I agree we can't always protect ourselves, but we have to try and limit the risk we sometimes put ourselves in. I'm a guy and I don't go out and get blackout drunk or even walk the streets at night because I don't want anything happen to me. So feminist can go f off with that nonsense.
great meme, basically Feminists like to scapegoat everything to being men's collective fault so they expect us to sort it out, kinda counterintuitive to them wanting equality really
Because feminists are stupid, hell they created the myth of rape culture in the US. And they basically they say hey rape me, when they walk around shirtless/bra-less or straight naked.
In all honesty, you can't teach men not to rape because you shouldn't have to be told. You just know it's wrong. You just don't do it.
Being a rapist is a mental disorder. You can't just tell men to not rape because it doesn't work like that. Famous men who could fuck anyone they want to still rape so it's not about a big lack of pussy in a mans life.
The same thinking suggests that because people know stealing is wrong, you can walk through the ghetto waving a wad of cash of your head.
Why blame the victims instead of the perpetrators? "Oh, you say you were raped? You must have wanted it, because you didn't fight them off properly." --> what you are saying, essentially.
Yeah, it's about as dumb as teaching people not to murder and expecting that to solve the problem.
Feminists are not about protecting women from threats. They are about political and social power, nothing more.Both would come in handy but I mean people shouldn't have to be worried ab that in the first place
I think both should be taught, though to both genders. Because men also get raped, not just women.
As if men aren't already taught manners and to not touch women (people in general) without permission. Don't break your head over this, you can't fucking reason with a feminist.
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