What is wrong of taking advantage of fake nice guys aka incels? They are naturally not nice, they ACT nice. Nobody like fake people
@hi_it_is_me123 Then you are not better than they are.
@hi_it_is_me123 Because it makes you just as bad or worse.
So what? I am an assholes to assholes and kind to kind people. That is how lifes works. I have no mercy for these incels. If someone tries to hurt me, i hurt her/him 10 times worser. I am not weak and let people hurt me.
@hi_it_is_me123 Then you deserve each other.
@hi_it_is_me123 Not everybody is expecting sex. You could be taking advantage of Good People.
On_the_other_hand you dont get me. I give their own medicine. Why tf should I respect these male cunts since the are assholes to me. Wtf
@hi_it_is_me123 Why are you engaging with them at all?
They aproach in the first place and show their faces very quickly as soon as i dont agree with them at some point. One of them even threated me with suicide
@hi_it_is_me123 then you disengage when they show their face.
@hi_it_is_me123 Then those aren't Good People.
@hi_it_is_me123 threatened *you* with suicide? What, like Epstein? lol
The guy wanted to commit suicide to avoid me leaving hi. But he did not do it. So no worries
An eye for an eye would make everyone blind. Just ignore or avoid them. I don't understand why people don't agree to disagree sometimes
@hi_it_is_me123 how do you know if they are real or fake? A genuine nice guy might be just being himself. He’s nice to you but he’s also nice to everybody unless someone gives him reason not to be. But do you automatically assume he’s got an ulterior agenda? Yeah he’s being nice to you and he knows he isn’t entitled to sex. But assuming it’s justified to disrespect him because of a selfish assumption says something about you not him
Because a nice guy would not treat you like shit out of nowhere for disagreeing with him or for rejecting him
@hi_it_is_me123 I don’t do that to women. But I have gotten mean when I felt like was being disrespected. Disagreeing with someone doesn’t always mean you disrespect them. I left an anon post below about my thoughts on respect. Curious what you think of it (trying to be fair).
Oh i understand you now better
@hi_it_is_me123 thank you. Curious how you feel about my POV.
I am guilty of waiting a while to call women out. Reason being I’ve been accused of being “paranoid” in the past. Blurting our an accusation that isn’t true. This makes me look like a patsy at times in the past. I fucking hate that but I’m really thinking hard about how she’s behaving. Is she just shit testing me to see if I’ll lose it or does she not respect me period? If is the latter I will cut her off and never look back. I’ve done that to at least a half dozen women in the last few years. During lockdown I got real with two women. Felt good to cut them out. They just wanted me as an orbiter.
@hi_it_is_me123 giving them *any* form of attention (even if you're just "beating them at their own game") will ultimately come back to bite you. The best you can do is just refuse any favours from any guy who's shown his "niceness" to be a phony act. In his mind, the fact you're letting him schmooze up to you is a kind of "permission" for him to later on expect something from you. And then when you inevitably refuse once push comes to shove, then you're gonna have to deal with those suicide threats and other dark shit. If you wanna teach them a lesson, the best way to go about that is to have absolutely nothing to do with them. Just block contact and move on to guys you actually want to be around.
@bluetoblack99 To me, A Good guy is how he treats his parents. It's always a good sign they have good relationship with his parents.
God save us from alfa-a-holes like MrOracle. Nice guys are shy and often - because morons like you shout louder - introverted. I'd see your confidence in the ring mate - whenever you are ready (oh, wait, you'll die and you're bitter about the nice fellas being attractive)
This I guess.
I like it. Great opinion
Thanks for the mho!
Ima have to agree to this. Just from a personal experience.
So if you do find a genuine nice guy do you call him a “nice guy”’. Just curious.
@bluetoblack99 No. A "nice guy" is a guy who is only fake nice in the hopes of getting sex.
So whenever a woman calls me “nice” that means it’s game over? I actually know it isn’t but 90% is the equivalent of “your friendzoned!” and the other 10% of the time means she wants to have sex ASAP.
@bluetoblack99 What I mean by "nice guys" in quotations the ones who call themselves nice, but really aren't, and are exactly what I'm talking about; fake nice in order to get in a girl's pants. I honestly can't tell you what to think if a girl calls you nice other than to take it at face value. It's too vague to have any deeper meaning unless you ask the girl.
I never call myself a nice guy publicly. It’s too negative of a connotation. I call myself a gentlemen I cringe when other men or women call me that. I totally get the whole “fake” nice guy thing. I was once that guy when I was much younger. I regret it. But let’s be honest. Genuine nice guys get screwed over as well. It’s not an issue of being entitled to sex but respect. Nobody is teaching young boys to fight back at girls that disrespect them.
*or more accurately “teach young boys to CALL OUT girls who disrespect them.” That doesn’t mean losing your temper or getting violent. But it means calling out her disrespect. Just because she has a vagina it doesn’t give her a free pass to do that bs.
@bluetoblack99 That is unfortunately true.
@bluetoblack99 And yes, I agree, their disrespect should be called out and they should be held accountable.
I do that now. But I had an upbringing that lead me to a major disadvantage. The worst is when I like a girl, she knows it and then complains/asks about other guys as a shitty way of “putting me in my place”. Unless he blatantly disrespected you don’t do that girls. Don’t ever f*cking do that. Extremely insulting. I don’t think I’ve ever done that to a girl in my life when the roles were reversed. And yes I’ve been in positions before were I liked the girl but wasn’t interested. I speak up out of respect though. Not play dumb.
@bluetoblack99 Yes, that's very inconsiderate of them.
It’s been done to me. More than once
thanks for hearing me out. My advice is to be cognizant about how you turn down guys. Totally fine to say you are not interested. But do it in a way how you would want someone to treat you. Also tell your girlfriends to always start with respect. If the guy is a dbag about it then it’s fine to be nasty. But tactful honesty is respect. Unannounced friendzone is the exact opposite of that (yes it DOES exist). Anyway best of luck.
@bluetoblack99 I'm sorry you've been treated that way, and yes, I totally agree!
Yas girl I totally understand you!! Guys just try to be nice to get into your pants... Like wtf dude be honest no one wants to play any games here
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Yeah I’m definitely more of a type 2. And type 2 is often gets just disparaged just as bad as type 1 by females. They “say”’ they know the difference but at a emotional level they don’t. If they did there would be fewer problems in this world. But the asker is looking for an answer that she wants to hear, not what she NEEDS to hear.
Outstanding insight with “We will display intransigence which does not fit the nature (weakness) perceived from our civility and it is interpreted as being mean or rude because she is not getting her way.”It’s so true, so sad and so incredibly disgusting. My own mother treated me this way and I hated her for it.” This is a feminine quirk either women cannot comprehend or are unwilling to. You and I should write an entire take on this.
@chapawapa I really want your feedback on what I said above. Most people jump to quick conclusions on all this “nice guy” bs but please read my angle on this.
I definitely think that if someone doesn't like you in that way they should tell the person. I dont have much to say other than yea people should tell people when they are not interested
I do not you have a fair and honest assessment of this problem. I get you recently had a bad experience with a manipulative guy (that’s not a nice guy). That’s not right. But I reallyBut you are not open minded to the possibility that women do
*Published above too soonI just wish you gave more details on what happened. I also believe that GENUINE nice guys still get screwed over. I can give you a few examples if you have time for it. But I can tell right now I have to be on my guard at all times. It really sucks.
Well nothing happened to me at the time I posted this meme. I thought it was hilarious because so many women experience this.Although a male I was talking was very disappointed that I had gained weight and accused me of not being "totally " honest... I ended it right there and said my goodbyes him nothing. Didn't need to get in a back and forth.
Just don’t oversimplify this conundrum. There are many factors at stake. What @Dargil wrote below is the best insight I have ever read about this issue. It describe me to a pinpoint: “They (we) are tempered by our politeness and civility and initially come across and as being weak and easily manipulated. But when efforts at control start, we will display intransigence which does not fit the nature (weakness) perceived from our civility and it is interpreted as being mean or rude because she is not getting her way.“Just remember that type 2 nice guys have a BREAKING POINT. But they are cursed with having too much patience and a long fuse. However it’s a fuse. That’s not to let us off the hook. We got to speak up and be faster on our feet. We need to be ready to walk and never look back (I struggled with this when I was younger). We are peacemakers but that doesn’t mean we stick around for abuse. I called out a woman (year older) who was trying to keep me around as an orbiter. We briefly dated years ago and had gotten sexual. Complicated but we started talking again and I didn’t make a move. Reason being I ended up dating someone else around the time we first met. She knew all about it thanks to social media. So when we got back together again I was “testing the waters”. I wanted to see where she stood.
Turns out I was 110% unannounced friendzoned. Given her age I thought she would be more mature about it but she wasn’t. I was just going to ignore her but she did something very insulting (in front of my family). She was very subtle about it but I definitely noticed. I stopped talking to her after that but she kept liking all my FB and Instagram posts. She was doing this to keep me as an “orbiter”. A f*cking resource for her own ends. Finally during lockdown I messaged her and said I wanted to chat. She was overseas for almost 2 years since the incident occurred. I really wanted to give her a chance to own up to herself. If she did it would show she respected me. It’s complicated. But she didn’t. I calmly but very directly told her I didn’t appreciate she did and best of luck. She tried to gaslight (that confirms the disrespect issue) and I had none of it. But I cut her off and she knows where I stand. I’m fine never seeing her again for the rest of my life.
You can still be nice even though you've been wrong. everyone has the right to be mad for being wronged, but it doesn't justify bad behavior. I can absolutely assume that the male I was referring to thinks I've lied to him played games when in fact, I haven't. Do I care about any of that perception? sort of not really. not enough to try to explain myself. I feel like I shouldn't have to when he's out there accusing me of something that wasn't intentional from my part. I really think people need to stop accusing people. I don't understand why people can't sit down and have a conversation and be vulnerable. I only knew him for two weeks, so I'm not going to give him much effort, unfortunately. And the main reason I'm not giving that much effort into sitting down and talking with them it's because one he really just rejected me and called me a liar and I wasn't too comfortable sitting down talking communicating and being open and vulnerable with someone who just did that to me. And throughout our to experience he would make sexual statememts or comments that he wants to see my body. just made me uncomfortable because that's not how I connect with people. However, I can understand that some people connect physically first before building an emotional connection I am just not that way. Anyway I don't really feel like talking about my experiences. Everything is complicated no point in trying to explain any of it to strangers on the internetHave a good one
Alright sorry that happened to you. Him being a liar and making comments about your weight was inexcusable. He’s not a nice guy. In fact that whole incident has nothing to do with the problem people assumed it was. He just a dbag. He could of handle that better. by the way I’ve been on dates were I felt catfished (girl was much heavier in person). I still treated her well. Still hung out. But afterwards when she followed up I was honest I wasn’t interested. But if I invited her to meet up then I will follow through with my word. Now is there being a “fake” nice guy or genuine? You tell me. As for GAG and talking with strangers online. Tbh it’s reverse for me about details with personal experiences. As a man I lose face if I talk publicly about being taken advantage of for being “too nice”. The anonymity on here let’s me safely ventilate. But best of luck to you too.
Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed reading your response 👍
"... people who handle rejection like assholes often are assholes in other aspects of their lives."BluemaxLove this. Can I create it as a quote?
@el_Te_de_la_Rosa Certainly you may. Be sure not to drop the word "often"
I am sorry but you are not nice, if you act nice till you get what you want. These fake nice guys are incels and you are generalizing. I also hear guys like you saying bad things about women. But i dont think all women are bad. And nobody only care about personality. Of course looks matter. That is not something new. We are not blind
@hi_it_is_me123 who ever you are. I neither agreed or disagreed on the topic. Don't go saying I'm not nice, and if you don't have any right to say unless you know me personally. I never said women are bad , so measure your words carefully before shouting at world.
My response is not to you.
I responded to the anon
I also did not assume anything about anyone. I was just giving an example.
I am not saying anyone of you is one of these nice guys. It was an example
"I am sorry but you are not nice, if you act nice till you get what you want." Its true that you're not nice if you ONLY act nice till you get what you want. But what you've said is that anyone shy, anyone who is 'trying hard' and isn't simply being their confident self is 'not nice'. That's a really high bar to set, and based on it there would be few nice people in the world.The reality is there are people who are nice, but also confused, uncertain, longing to connect, and trying things they think will help.There are actually very few jerks being 'fake nice guys'. Why? it doesn't work -at all-. So guys who are actually jerks very rapidly learn being a cocky bad boy is a much more effective way to get laid. So who keeps up the fake nice guy act? Genuine nice guys who are also -sure- that being nice is a good quality and they must somehow not be nice enough so need to try harder.Do some of them become 'not nice' over time? Yeah, hurt and bitterness can turn formerly nice people into being spiteful, it happens with incels, and some other men and women who are hurt in life. Of course incels certainly aren't running a 'fake nice guy' act any more.
I dont know other women but myself i have no problem with aproaching (shy) men and leading the relationship or providing him if they are really nice, have average looks and fullfill some of my preferences.
But i really can't stand these fake nice guys and thank you for your clarification. I understand you better
Is this a message to you? Lol omg 😱
Omg that is the fucking example of a "nice guy"
@hi_it_is_me123 No it's an example of some dumb retard. No one with a good working brain would ever type that to a person, right? Or am I wrong?
This is every nice guy... Then goes online to complain so he looks like the victim lol 😆
Maybe they just have regular expectations but get smacked down on a regular basis simply because they are nice and don't want trouble.
@Hawner well, let me ask- are we talking guys who are genuinely decent, or are we talking about "Nice Guys". There's a huge difference. Genuinely nice guys don't get smacked down all the time because they know how to handle themselves and talk to girls."Nice Guys" are friend-zone chumps always trying to illicit a pity-F and have a great many repulsive qualities, one of which is mean/rude temper tantrums.Right?
@BeenThereLivedIt Incorrect.As I said to someone else, of we are talking about guys that "acct nice" on order to get something, they aren't nice in the first place. So, they don't count.If we are talking about real nice guys, they are on the majority of cases (thankfully not always) ignored romantically by women. They normally prefer more the bad-ass or cool guy type, so the nice guy is mostly forgotten. When they want something, they more times than not fail to get it because other "cooler guy" got it first despite the nice one doing a better job.
@Hawner I sympathize with the 'guy' you use as an example. I was one of them, once.Believe me when I tell you, it's a character flaw- those thoughts and feelings that you (or that nice guy) was overlooked for a myriad of reasons. You don't have to be a badass to get that promotion, or win over that girl- that's all in the head of the 'nice guy'. It's his demeanor, that he believes right down to his very soul that he deserves this prize because he's decent and that others don't deserve it because they are less decent, or not at all decent human beings.It's a fallacy. Nice guys never blame themselves. They always blame someone else. I wrote a mytake about this, I was that guy. I changed my life and now I'm a decent and genuine man, but I'm no nice guy. I get the girls and the promotions. I have for about 10 years now. I was the problem, and also I was the solution. I really do hope that you read it and ponder. Good luck
If the "nice guy" feels entitled to get the girl and that others don't deserve her (or a promotion or whatever), he is not a "nice guy".The real nice guy is hurt by losing the girl or the promotion or whatever but, unless the other one cheated to get it, he will never resent the other guy. It wouldn't be "nice". That is the key.So, you are not taking about actual nice guys, but fakes.
@Hawner So why isn't the 'true' nice guy getting the girl or the promotion?
Because the girl doesn't like him, for example? Because the company can't afford to promote him?Are you actually asking me something in hopes that I look like I know nothing to support your point? It is not helping.You want me to correctly answer those specific cases, you better give me the details so I can guess more accurately. If not, don't bring absurd questions that don't help.
@Hawner I'm just trying to figure out what your point is man - you talk about nice guys getting smacked down as a reason for their tantrums, but then you claim that very same guy is a gentleman and doesn't have tantrums. Maybe you aren't being clear enough or maybe I'm just not very bright, but "nice guy" has always in my circle been a reference to the friend-zone pity boy, so I was referencing that guy in my original answer to the question.
I didn't say they get tantrums for being smacked down. That was a direct reply to what you said in the same format so you could see where you were wrong, not what the original post said. I actually think that statement "nice guys are mean" contradicts itself and never bothered answering it.However, to debate that point you bring, "Nice guys" can have low moments, where they can't anymore and explode. That is actually a problem they have: they bottle everything up inside and, when they reached their limit... Not a tantrum, but for a while you can't call them "nice" anymore. I think all humans have those moments.And yes, they mostly end up friend-zoned, as you say. That is one of the things I said as well.
Wait, if nice guys are actually assholes, then if I'm an asshole, that makes me?
Good question to post
Done! :D If nice guys are actually assholes, then if I'm an asshole, that makes me? ↗
Oh no no NO. It's very logical really. It's like... ya know how up is really down? Yah. "up" is not actually up. But down. :)
Alright, I answer this one because I like long hair... This question is meant to be rhetorical. It's a question that also has sarcasm. Of course, real nice /kind guys are not mean/rude. However, there are men that will be nice until they don't hear or dont get a result they were expecting, and suddenly that woman turns into a person who leads them on. He turns himself into the victim and justifies any malice because he was wronged.In general, people who are genuinely kind /nice even when wronged will know that everyone has the right to be mad, but that doesn't justify wrong behavior.
Oh the irony, simp.
I still don't understand wtf a simp is... but I don't think anyone is "simping" here Whatever im to old
Those kinds of guys that are nice until they don't get a result obviously have an expectation and have probably been spoon-fed their whole lives. I'd say they are way overthinking it if they think the chick lead them on like that and didn't meet their expectation. Sounds like he has narcissistic traits so just be weary of that behaviour, especially if he's trying to turn himself into the victim and justify malice because in his mind he was "wronged". I'd cease communication with this person and ignore them.
I don't know what a simp is either. New generation, kid slang for something.
You're making me desperate, you really are. People don't bore me thier conversations (sometimes) do? Can you unblock. You're hurting me. If you don't wanna talk we can not. Just unblock? @anon1903 you really think you bore me? And that's why and even then I'm talking to you?
Uhh dude are you a talker? Because you sound like one @understand_bud
Assuming that is true, what is the alternative action the guy should do?
Do you seriously not know? Lol just ask her out like a normal person.
😂😂😂🤷♂️🤔😀 💡 💡 💡 Or say yes if she asks you.. Some guys Drag out friendship even when she wants to date, thinkingwell she’ll REALLY wanna date if I show I just wanna be friends. No pressure right 😁“
which episode is that? I don't remember it at all but DAMN get em' Morty! :D
@errorgoodnameunfound S3E6 - Rest and Ricklaxation
@errorgoodnameunfound watch-online.xyz/.../I'd either use Brave browser or a good firewall with that link; but it is still up on at least one of the tabs.
Nice to see Brave browser catching on. :) Had it installed like a year ago. I probably saw it already but I likely wasn't in the same mindset seeing it as I am now. Damn it reads so different now.
@errorgoodnameunfound Those all have so much replay value, lol
Aww who hurt you
Nice guys are actually not nice. They are assholes and deserve to be treated like shit. By the way it is your fault if try to impress a bitch and whine and generalize women
@hi_it_is_me123 Aww childish shaming tactics... get a better reaponse.
No i am not. Do you even know what nice guys actually mean?
@hi_it_is_me123 yes. In you definition, it’s a loser who bows to vagina to try on win pussy points in the hopes it will get a girl to like him.Generally he gets used by females because he is a simp and then he becomes angry and bitter at females in general because of their treatment of him.
No, a guy who pretends to be a nice guy and if he does not get the response he wants from a girl he shows its real face and
By the way assholes exist in both genders
So generalizing is not that a good idea