I have one opinion women are badass they are strong they are independent they are confident they are teachers they are guides they are homemakers they can do any 9 to 5 job that they set their mind to they are taken for granted they are unappreciated and the only thing that I've ever seen didn't ask for is when they're chasing the kid down the hallway in the foods burning get off your ass and turn the stove off or something common sense like tackle that kid well I turn the stove off because if you can't do that all it takes is one woman to say enough is enough I want a label call me Miss feminism give me guy wants to bitch about that sorry bro you can't bitch about nothing you should have been up cooking dinner you should have been giving the kids a bath you should have been paying the bills you should have been cleaning the house you should have been saying thank you and can I help you or just do it. So insane All the Above my one opinion will be I don't know how long it's going to take but I know it will get there women will rule the world but that's only if mothers and fathers set an example and who they should be same goes for their sons what you have kids it's not about you to anymore it's about your kids make them better than you are
It always depends on the topic and the scenario of it.
I'll address the examples you used though:
In terms of childbirth, I don't believe men should have a say at all. It's the woman's body. If the guy wants kids, he should talk to his partner about it and if they agree then by all means. If it comes to things like having a C-section or what you should or shouldn't eat, then I think the guy only cares about you and the baby and should have some input on that matter although the final decision is again the girl's.
On contraception, men shouldn't be able to tell the female what type they should use and vice-versa. If they cannot agree to the method of contraception each is using, then sex shouldn't even be taking place.
And in terms of appearance, partners should be able to say what they find attractive at most. They should not tell their partner what to wear. That decision is the individual's alone. If you don't like the way they dressed in the first place, then don't date them. You should never date someone with the goal of trying to change them.
Opinion yes, but they should not control women's body or their life. My uterus, my choice and i decide wtf happens in my uterus. Dont fucking cum in her, if you dont want abortion. You also dont care wtf happens to your sperm, when she swallows. I decide what happens to my body aka to my uterus. If i have no right to control male body and make decisions about male genitalia or organs, why should men have any right to control my body? Would any man let any woman control their male body and in return he can control hers body? Lol
While they should be taken with a grain of salt and not as gospel, I think it is unwise to discount or ignore somebody, or an entire gender, just because they are not of that group.
Men have told me, on here, that I cannot speak about men, how they think or feel, because I am not one. Give me a f'ing break. Those guys are idiots. And I don't represent or defend idiots anyway.
The question you really meant to ask was "should men have a say in abortion?". Yes, men's thoughts are valid when they are trying to protect an innocent life. Women who preach "my body my choice" are hypocrites because they are taking the choice away from the baby after the woman made the choice to have sex or put herself in a compromising situation by not being aware of her surroundings. IF an issue will truly only affect the woman then nobody should say anything. For example, if a woman wants a tattoo or piercings, that choice only affects her body, nobody else's so there is no valid reason for someone to tell her what they think about her choice to get a tattoo/piercings. When it comes to abortion, that is different because another life (one that cannot speak for itself yet feels pain) is involved besides the woman. As for contraceptives, the point of those is to prevent conception. That is not murder so it really does only affect the woman's body. To sum up my answer, a man's opinion DOES matter if the woman's choice will affect another life outside of her own, but does not matter if her choice only affects her.
If men say they don't care about those issues, they are accused of being insensitive and irresponsible. If men say that they do have an opinion about those issues, they are told that their opinions don't matter because only women are entitled to have such opinions.
Women, please decide what you want from men and then act consistently.
If men's opinions on women's issues (that also will affect men and future men) are irrelevant, then women's opinions on everything else in society are irrelevant. Especially if they're a feminist, who believes we live in a "patriarchy" and all. Can't feel like a oppressed victim while also voicing your opinions and being given a platform to do it on, after all.
But yeah, anyone who believes you can't have an opinion on something unless you are that something (The Experience Fallacy) is an idiot not worth wasting my time on. As stated, by that logic, all women should stay in the kitchen and keep their mouths shut since "men run the world" and all.
On the surface, I can see why you're tempted to conclude that men's opinions on women's issues are irrelevant. I would suggest 2 things. 1. That's an emotional reaction that requires much deeper consideration. 2. The topic is much more complicated than you've presented it. On the surface, I agree as a guy, it's not my place to tell women what to do. The problem is the issue is not that simple. It's not my place to tell 1 woman what to do with her body, but the problem stupid people try to drag the government into the conversation, and try to make it a policy issue. The moment, people try to make these issues some "policy" it all breaks down. It's not a man's place to have an opinion on a woman's body, but it is a man's place to have an opinion on public policy, and worse yet how government tax dollars get spent. If people would stop trying to mandate morality through government policy or spending tax dollars, then we wouldn't have a problem.
It depends on how you define terms I suppose. Should one person’s opinion (a male) about the physical appearance of a another (a female) be considered relevant or shared? Depending on context no. It would be weird for a guy to go up to a girl he finds fat and tell her unrequited.
Some of the examples you gave were political questions though. About right to life/choice and extensions of that. All members of our society have a right to have an opinion on what is and is not legal regardless of their sex organs.
Well on many things yeah. Sure we were created such that women bear children but men plant the seed.
The fact that a man plants the seed means he should have a say in the faite of his child.
And the choice to suppress pregnancy also involves the man since if a woman gives birth she is bringing his son or daughter into the world and maybe he can't provide or be there for him/her it's not ok to deny him a say in becoming a father.
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Giving birth, yes, because it's a man's baby, too. Contraceptive method, yes, because a man is also involved in sex. Appearance, yes, unless you're a lesbian, because you're trying to attract a man, otherwise you wouldn't care about your appearance. (I know people say they dress up for themselves, but that's a load of crap. If you're alone in your house, you wear ratty pajamas, if anything at all. You don't dress up for yourself. You dress up to be seen. Men, too. We'd all look like garbage if we didn't want to impress people.)
For contraception yes, but only because it ends up in natural waterways and changes the sex of certain fish and amphibians, causing population declines.
In cases where 2 people are married, the guy's opinion matters for both giving birth and contraception, but not in the way of changing the women's opinion. More so it would matter for picking a woman who already has the same opinion he does.
In regards to appearance, the guy's opinion matters if he is dating the woman, but if he's dating her, chances are that it's a positive opinion.
Simply put: they're not totally without purpose. But women's issues must be addressed with women as the central interest.
i don't consider for example how being kicked in the groin full force compares to giving birth - unless science has reached a cosmic level advancement type. Or i don't support dictating women whether she's allowed to terminate her pregnancy. Or whether she's allowed to get breast reduction. as i said - women's issues should be addressed in women's interests. There's no way men deal with women's issues themselves, so they'll more than unlikely know what they're talking about when it comes to women's issues.
Opinions are relevant only inasmuch as women want to know those opinions. Facts, thoughts, and philosophical positions are ALWAYS relevant, regardless of gender. Their preferences are duly noted, but often ignored (for good reason). Their stances and beliefs about such things should be given careful thought and not dismissed because of the gender of the argument's origin.
It depends on their opinions and the knowledge they have on these issues. Sometimes they have no clue and they want to show that they're right. Or they're quick at judging women without knowing our reasons for doing or not doing something.
Yes.. Because well there are men who will be controlling these procedures.. I mean it was men who invented contraceptives and even things to help with periods.. So I don't see why we our opinions wouldn't be relevant.. Especially since a lot of women won't shut up about what "men should be doing"..
Well I mean no women are caring to hard about mens issues so I have no idea why men care so much about womens issues. It truly makes no sense. They can have a opinion and all but they gotta chill out about pushing it so hard onto women. Let everyone make choices for themselves.
That like saying you don’t need to look at the seeds you plant when there in the soil, the seed is just as important as the soil. That why women who do Invitro look for a guy who a doctor and smart. If it wasn’t important they wouldn’t care who sperm they get cause a sperm would just be a sperm
If the said man is a registered obgyn, I trust he knows what he's saying and doing. Otherwise, debatable, he may know smth he may be clueless and throw out words. Like the men who were fast to reply what's the best sex toy for a girl when they never experienced female orgasm
They are not relevant to me no, except in the case of a male medical professional or midwife who knows about childbirth etc. Men’s opinions on appearance aren’t relevant either, since I dress for me. I’m always likely to listen to people when they have experienced it for themselves.
Depends on what it is. If it's something that can and does have wide-ranging economic and moral consequences for society, influences the stability of relationships and marriages, and influences how men and women interact with each other, such as abortion and contraception, then yes.
As for appearances, it is perfectly acceptable for a man to have preferences as to the kind of woman he wants to date and marry.
Not when it comes to legislation, no. Her body, her choice. I'll qualify that by saying that women shouldn't be allowed to have serial abortions as a means of birth control.
But when it comes to appearance in particular, she's going to have to play the game if she wants to find a partner. She doesn't have a right to demand acceptance.
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No, that's why I don't have an opinion on the matter given I have been and expect to continue to be perpetually single
I take a simple line in life and don't have an opinion on anything that doesn't interest or affect me so I don't have an opinion on women's matters of any kind even down to which dress is better etc.
The MeToo era has signified the end of men along with the growth in power of the brotherhood and BLM to further that endeavour Frankly, I'm glad to be single amid these final years of the human race just waiting to be loaded onto a train and taken to a farm upstate
If they are trans men, yes. For things like ob gyn care, pregnancy, birth, abortion, birth control, etc because that still effects them.
And I guess male ob gyns also have relevant opinions on that sort of thing.
But the average cis guys? They can have opinions on whatever they want, clearly. But their opinions shouldn't ever carry more weight than the opinions of people who are directly effected by pregnancy, ob gyn health, etc
Some things you do. Like feeling the need to not walk outside at night, or not accepting drinks at a party, or periods etc. you may intellectually know and understand, but that’s different from genuinely understanding. Like how I can understand how it may feel to get kicked in the nuts but I can never really grasp that pain.
No u may not be able to grasp that pain in particular but you have a understanding of pain itself so can emphasis with seeing it happen and feeling bad for them because you know it must hurt yes I will never have the fear of being spiked or being raped on the streets at night but I can understand that its wrong shouldn't happen and women shouldn't have to deal with that fear yes I won't have it happen but I can still feel that its wrong and things need to be fixed I dont feel u need to expirance somthing to emphasis with it but that may just be differing opinions
this is an area where we might disagree.. Because based on your logic, women should have zero opinion on things like circumcision, and really anything male. But I personally value opinions of the opposite sex on male things.. Denying 50% of the population an opinion on something just because of their genitals is just wrong.
That depends on your life goals. If you want a husband and father for your children then the first two things are relevant. If you want your man to find you attractive then the last one is relevant. If you are not interested in men at all then none of these things are relevant.
Other than if president of USA didn't agree with abortions kinda matters because he could try to make it harder for women to get them. goes for any kinda male leaders. But otherwise nope not really other than what your opinion on it matters to the type of women would date him.
Yes if they are doctors. And even if they aren't they can have wisdom the woman lack, so you should always listen to opinions, but in the end you always should make up your own mind. Besides if you don't make men aware of the issues, they are less likely to be fixed, since less people are aware of them and can work towards removing them.
no i dont think so women's business is there own unless asked by a woman for said opinion , men who think that have a right are just boomers or some caveman still dragging his knuckles on the ground. if its a guy who identifies as a women they dont matter seeing how there living a lie anway
Yes, because legislators aren't all just going to be female, in fact, female lawmakers are most likely going to be the minority. Whether women like it or not, men who support their cause are pivotal in securing and protecting their own rights and privileges.
And if you are going to allow men who support you, by the virtue of fairness, you also have to allow the opposing views.
Yes. It's fallacious to say the opposite sex cannot know about the other. Where do you think everything we know comes from? I've had women who are doctors telling me about my body as well as trainers that are women. They don't need to be men to know how a man's body works. They sure as hell don't need to be men to be educated on matters that affect men. And men do not have to be women to understand either.
if men can't have opinions, women should shut the fuck up about male issues. Not like you don't already brush it under the rug. This sort of thinking is immature and fucking stupid. Grow up
1. Appearance - considering the majority of the world is heterosexual, yes what men think matters. Merely a question of how much, which men, and in what context
2. Contraceptive methods - irrelevant unless you're talking about abortion aswell. Or a religious context
3. Giving birth - socially speaking, yes. Legally speaking. No. Women get to unilaterally decide to get an abortion or keep the child
I always look out for a girl's needs when in a relationship, I believe in waiting to marriage to have sex and also believe in using protection so she doesn't get pregnant and that we practice safe sex at all times... My late Mom, would always tell a girl to treat me good if she was going to date me and of course she would want me to do the same in return
One of my biggest pet peeves is the idea that guys don't have a say in women's issues when those issues ALSO directly effect them. If it involves my wallet, my time or even my behavior I certainly have a say. It seems that to many, guys simply are not able to have a preference or even an opinion on gender issues.
I believe that if I was to come into agreement to have a child with a man and he decided to not want a family with me anymore then he deserves to be put on child support. Because creating a child is a permanent decision once a baby is here it is here, I can’t undo giving birth. I think what would help is once deciding child support the woman should be able to prove evidence that having the child was originally what both agreed on. That way the men that made it clear they didn’t want kids and took their personal precautions to not get a woman pregnant would not be subjected to paying for a kid they never intended to have.
@zed-789 what bothers me more is paternity fraud, and the fact that a guy is responsible for a child even if he didn't consent to the sexual act itself.
If men's opinions on women's issues are irrelevant, so are women's opinions on men's issues.
So many will say that men should not speak about women's issues, and then will speak against men who speak about men's issues, tell them that they're wrong, and tell us (womansplain) what our real problems are.
In the end our minds are too focused on individuality and we forget the fact that we to are animals, man and woman aren't equal and neither of them are superior they are made to mutually coexist together and the biological goal of all life forms is to reproduce so yes both parties should have equal weightage in their opinions.
In some cases. Birth for example, tho the women takes on a lot, most even, without the man it would be impossible. Excluding him simply because you do more work isn’t fair because that assumes he does no work. Can’t push men away the blame them for staying away. 🤷🏾♂️
Ofc because they have to do with men too. They aren't made in a vacuum. Appearance? Well ask men what they like and do it and you will look attractive to men. Or dont and you can expect to stay single. Obviously men are the best ones to give an opinion on something like appearance.
I mean sure they can say their opinions but they shouldn’t be the ones doing the deciding and have the final say of what passes
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if they're not, can we please go back in time a few years and bitch slap all the women who feel that their opinions on MEN'S issues are relevant? Feminists need to understand, if men can't have an opinion on women, then women can't have an opinion on men, so they need to stfu and make us a sandwich.
HELL NO !!! Those hypocrites will be mad if we women tried to even suggest them anything. They'll immediately call us controlling and overbearing.
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If the issues affect men, then their opinions on them are obviously relevant.
This us-versus-them mindset that feminism has created, which women like you perpetuate, must end before men and women will become advocates for each other rather than adversaries. Please just stop.
I'm a male, a guy, but registered as a woman for fun and now can't change it. It's a bias that women's opinions are better. I understand just the same, but as a woman (fake as it is) I can say the obvious with female authority 🤷♂️
Yes the same way womens opinions are valid on issues related to men it dont mean every opinion will be helpful but it still stands lol remember just because someone gives a opinion dont mean u must now do what is said
If they're married. Otherwise, nah, just like I think women's opinions on men's issues are irrelevant and should be paid less attention without marriage.
If you're trying to attract a man then men's opinions about your appearance might be interesting. Unfortunately opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.
Also I think it's reasonable for men to take an active role in the process of contraception.
Hell yes! We’re Men! Our opinions count double! A Women’s value is only half of a Mans...
All of this feminism crap , has caused all of you to belive that you’re equal... Deep down you’ve always known the truth! Admit it! You’ll feel better !
very cute hon now welcome to reality and guess what I don't care what you think ima still give my opinion when I want to
and since when have we been judged by equality? what kind of equality? strength? sure, men are shown to be physically stronger, but that doesn't make our opinions count as less than a fucking man's if the man's such a dumbass bitch he can't even respect others and he's living in the past where women were obedient... so sad, you want every woman out there to be a stereotypical female and bow to your will... why should I give a fuck what you want? It's the real world, im surprised you're this close minded. Time to grow up now, or I'll send you back to preschool
And what should I be admitting? That men are usually physically stronger? I already knew that. I don't see anything else to admit here, though, because if you're going to judge by stereotypes, then wouldn't women be smarter than men? No gender is better in all qualities, we balance each other out. if we weren't here, there would be no more new human beings, and I'm not saying that just to feel like women have power, but if I were you, and I didn't want confident women to hate me, I would shut up, so watch your mouth.
We live in a society and if everyone have right to talk about it than it absolutely matters because everything is interconnected but if you live in women's paradise than it doesn't matter lol Because that way you dont need to face these issues
I don’t like the premise of this question. If you don’t think half of the population’s opinion matters on any topic, not just this one... then you are probably a trash person
I've heard women say they deserve half of a guys shit in a divorce cause they helped him get it, which isn't false. But it is an analogy for you thinking men have nothing at all to do with women. Lose the masculine ego
They're only relevant insofar as helping to provide the necessary resources. I think men need to have a little bit of a say just from a point of practicality. The reality is that women's issues do affect men, even if it's not directly.
No. They don’t know what it’s like being a woman, so their opinion isn’t worth anything to us. And why should their opinion be relevant when they’ve been controlling our rights and bodies for centuries?
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