If she pretends she is on the pill when she isn't, is she evil?

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Scenario: Man does not want to be a father, woman wants to be a mother, she tells him she is on the pill so they have unprotected sex when really she is not. Is she evil?

Yes

No

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Yes. Fucking evil, and the man should not need to pay any child support if she does get pregnant.

This and poking holes in condoms should be considered similar to rape should the woman be impregnated.

The man - who under every reasonable communication would have thought the chance of having a baby was minimal - should not be held responsible if the woman tries to baby trap him.

If she insists on keeping the baby despite the fact the man will have no involvement nor financial obligation, she must provide for it on her own. This is assuming she lives in a free country with access to abortion - it may not be practical in a backwards country with illegal abortion like the USA.

It isn't fair for a raped woman to be forced to carry her rapist's child. Likewise, it is not fair for a man to unknowingly have unprotected sex with a woman misrepresenting her status on the pill or poking holes in condoms.

Poking holes in condoms should be a criminal charge, too. I've heard horror stories of crazy MILs poking holes in condoms of their own daughters in an attempt to force grandchildren on their child.

It's fucking crazy doing anything like that. Honestly it's a big reason I got sterilized. My mother's fucking insane and I'm no contact, but if she were in my life it's not beyond her to poke holes in condoms to get me pregnant (and likely kill me in childbirth, but hey, mother would think it's worth it).

[Aerissa_Jade]

I'd say its evil, even though it could be something like I have a IUD or some other method but it fails. Is it still evil when something is tried but fails?

I only say this is evil IF she is doing that for a child and then wanting to get him for child support. Just as bad as those women that go through the trash to find condoms full of stuff to get themselves pregnant and then go for child support, from someone they may have never even has sex with.

Pill or not, he could still use a condom... that is his choice.

I do find it extremely evil though to try to legally steal someone's money.

[ImJustSomeGuyLol]

Yes, this is evil and manipulative. Lying to someone about contraception being used does not allow the person to make an informed decision. It's 100% wrong for a man to take a condom off midway, or lie about a vasectomy. It's no different if a woman lies about taking the pill or having an IUD.
People have a right to know about the reproductive and health status of their sexual partners. Rape by deception is becoming a thing, and this would fall right into it, this could one day get people fined or jail time.

There are many men in this world that want kids, if this is you or someone you know, please go find someone that wants children too.

[RavVid]

Semen stealing is becoming a thing now it seems. If the woman is not going to make any claims on the man it is not so bad but is still wrong. If she does so intending to go after him for child support it is monstrously evil.

Apart from the scenario wives have gone off the pill without telling their husband. Equally evil.

In Australia as I understand it, semen is considered a free gift. So a girl emptying the contents of a used condom into herself can't be charged with property theft. Probably this would be consistent across the anglosphere. Mostly guys want to give it away to as many girls as poss.

[Reaper1985]

it's called entrapment because she's forcing him to be part of her life now in a physically and/or financially way. due to outdated laws which favor females in courts regarding relationships and/or parenthood. guys don't have the option to forsake parenthood by law like girls do when they choose to abort. guys need an option to legally sign away rights and responsibilities for raising children they didn't plan to have. which would then remove him as the legal father and cut him off from contact with the children as well. until the children turned 18 and choose to seek him out on their own.

to quote Dave Chapelle "her body her choice - his money his choice"

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[Adaeva]

I voted "No" because she is only telling a white lie to get what she wants. It is not her fault the law forces men to pay child support. Besides, any man foolish enough to believe a women will tell the truth when that keeps her from getting what she wants is only getting what he deserves.

[Prettygurl12]

I voted A.

Evil might be too strong of a word, but to lie about something like that is despicable. You're creating life. People are way too blasé about that fact. You are creating a human being. Both parties responsible for that new human should be aware of and in agreement with that plan.

Baby trapping men is disgusting. And creating a human by means of deceit is straight up just bad karma.

[anon1903]

Nope. And he breaks up with her once she's pregnant, I wouldn't blame him. He made it clear fatherhood doesn't interest him — he shouldn't be forced to pay for something he doesn't want.

PS. If I were the man, I'd put on a condom. Precaution is better than cure.

[midnightmoon05]

She is evil and selfish. She doesn’t care about anyone. The kid’s right, love is being robbed… they are the real victim. They deserve love from both loving parents.
I know some women are vicious…but this for sure is bottom of the scums, lying and cheating for her self illness.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I think I've seen this IRL way too many times. 9 times out of 10 you see the real reason the chick did it when he's kicked out and paying her rent and she's boinking every dude around that can do some pushups. I don't know if I want to call it evil but it sure is fucked up... and shame on any person, male or female, that raised a boy that has no idea women like that exist.

[mstbooblover]

Although she's obviously not honest with her lover, calling her evil seems naïve to me. There's a saying : "What a woman really wants is what God wants"... Seriously, if a woman really wants children, she most likely will have them, if not with her lover, then with someone else. Keep that in mind ;0)

[Anonymous]

It's a terrible thing to do. Trying to get pregnant by someone who doesn't want a child through deciet. And it will either force them to become a parent which they dont want to be. As well as many other things such as having to pay for a child. This is not good for the guy nor the child.

I wouldn't say it's evil but it's a very wrong thing tkdo. And should be a punishable offense. As I see it both parties consented to protected sex where there are some risks or pregnancy. There wasn't the consent to unprotected sex. I don't know how best to classify it.

[Anonymous]

A baby should always be a mutual decision. It’s a big step in life. So yeah, that would be evil and selfish. I don’t know why anyone would want to do it that way. Before I was on birth control, I always let the guy know before we did anything so he could put on a condom or pull out.

[bamesjond0069]

Yes. If a woman does this the only good outcome is to cease all contact and abandon the child. There is zero chance this can work out.

Its no different than if a woman was beaten and raped in an alley and then decides welp we had sex guess we are going to marry and raise this child. Zero chance that will work out too.

[bones_20]

It’s an incredibly nasty thing to do. Knowing how he feels about it and trying to trick him into it is just is not ok. It’s not something to take lightly.

[sage2021]

Best thing to do would be for you to wear protection when you are having sex with her.
Saying she is on the pill when she isn't shows you she is not trustworthy. Use protection!

[Whatever2929292]

Lying is wrong. But at the same time if you would not be sleeping with her you would not have to worry about it. If you are married then yes she is wrong

[Jessica405]

Yes. She may end up with a kid, but no guy. The kid may never get to know its father.

Ya can't trap a guy by getting pregnant!

[PatriceONeal]

Sure you can. It's just pure evil especially for the child forced into life without parents who love eachother

[Mcmickeys]

They are both evil. They are fornicating. They are having sex and not married. Sex without commitment leads to heartache and headaches.

[purplepoppy]

I was told by a doctor that 90% of cases of contraception pill failure are bullshit and its the women pulling a stunt and not actually taking them

[PatriceONeal]

Happens more than people would believe. Happened to my brother and he doesn't get to see his kids. Women are pure evil in American society. Spoiled Rotten.

[ChiTown33]

90%! Seriously! Hold on a sec though. The doctor can't know it was DELIBERATE SABOTAGE. I hope for everybody affected's sake. This is not true. Guys really don't need you giving us more reason to distrust women. lol

[Daniela1982]

She is at least an idiot, and it might just bite her in the ass.

[leighbee]

I think I saw a post recently about this. It is there descion tbh and all we can do is offer advice as again it is not our choice 🤷‍♀️

[LazerBean]

I think that's an awful thing to do, but that's also the risk you take when you sleep around.

[PatriceONeal]

So I can poke holes in condoms to secure a trophy wife? All good?

[LazerBean]

It's certainly not my problem. Like I said, both scenarios are whore problems.

[PatriceONeal]

You say that like only a whore would do. something like that. We're talking about female nature not whore nature. Could be a girlfriend that lies about plan b. Whore is not viable.

[LazerBean]

If you aren't married and you're having sex, you're a whore regardless of gender. So yes, it is in fact a whore problem.

[PatriceONeal]

I plan to sleep with a woman before marriage and I respect most of the Christian values. As with most.

[PatriceONeal]

Sleeping with someone your are dating isn't being a whore. Although if you're a girl that has had many relationships that statement no longer applies.

[LazerBean]

So the statement only applies to girls, and only once they've been in a number of relationships that you personally have picked? 😂 Ok. I guess you're just going to have to take those risks then 💁🏽‍♀️

[PatriceONeal]

No you have a serious understanding problem. Try reading again. We aren't talking about whore or women who sleep around. We're talking about women trapping men and you being okay with it. I asked if the converse is ok.. i. e. a man poking holes Ina condom. A simple yes or no is all you had to say.

[LazerBean]

Yes. I'm as okay with men doing it just as much as I am women doing it. Because they are both whore problems. Like I already said. Do you understand now? Are my sentences short enough?

[PatriceONeal]

You could try making sense since you're such a strong woman. These aren't whore problems.. do you think only whores trap men? Really? 🤣

[LazerBean]

Doesn't make sense to you because you are not acknowledging the fact that your standard for what makes a whore is much lower than mine.

[Agagagagaga]

@LazerBean You think fornication is the same thing as prostitution? One is a sexual act prior to marriage the other is a sexual act performed for payment.

Am I really being a whore when I fuck my friends with benefits? Not really. No money is being exchanged. In fact there is no payment of any kind though I do sometimes make us dinner. Then I fuck her brains out. What exactly is whore-like about that? The sex? Because it can’t be the money. 🤷‍♂️ Maybe you think that fornication is immoral. Okay. I can understand that and even kind of agree to some extent. But let’s not bring whores into this discussion because it’s not relevant.

[LazerBean]

Whore:
A prostitute.

A person considered sexually promiscuous.

A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

In short, yes, you are a whore.

[PatriceONeal]

Sorry but nobody in the entire world takes you seriously saying anyone having sex before marriage is a whore. You sir or ma'am are mentally handicapped.

[LazerBean]

At least two people on this site and two whole different religions do, but whatever you say whore.

[PatriceONeal]

All 3 of you should start a cult and drink kool-aid in South africa.

[Anonymous]

This is why I wrap it regardless. Yes riding in bareback is another dimension when it comes to pleasure. I’ve only done it after I’ve know the girl for quite a while (and I am sure he’s on the pill or IUD). But plenty of women do have ulterior motives. In fact this is how my brother became a daddy unexpectedly.