Girls, What do you think of the idea that being a nice guy isn't worth it anymore?

[Anonymous]

Let me lay it out to you. So the idea is that being a nice guy isn't worth it these days because women treat nice guys either as a backup plan at best and absolute shit at worse, and when I say nice guy I mean the gentlemen. The guy who brings you flowers and chocolates. The guy that lets you walk on his jacket over a puddle so you don't get your feet wet (Which, why would you ruin your jacket like that?) That the reason women gravitate towards assholes and potentially abusive types is because it portrays an aura of dominance (Fake or otherwise)

Of course a lot of women will say this isn't true or that it's only a minority, but then you got to ask yourself this and be completely honest with yourself. Would you fuck a guy whos ONLY contribution to a relationship is that he's nice to you?

No dinners, no gifts, etc, etc. Sure you may friendzone him, keep him around as a shoulder to cry on, maybe actually date them when all other options have been exhausted. But such a guy would never be the first option on your radar unless you've just been so burned by the bad boy that you just naturally gravitate to the guy you know isn't gonna be abusive or abandon you. You may say you love him, but the reality is if you thought you could do better you would. You really don't respect the guy, you're just settling.

Now does this make most women insidious? No. However, it kind of shows that women for the most part do not respect nice guys no matter how much they may protest.

There's a reason the saying goes "Nice guys finish last" because they are the last people women will consider for a relationship after they go through everybody else. The reason why men use terms like "Sloppy Seconds" and "Leftovers" is because most men know a nice guys is almost never a woman's first choice, anybody who tells you otherwise is lying to your face.

[Anonymous]

I think the Term “Nice Guy” is so confusing. First of all. You can be an asshole no matter your looks.

Listen to what I’ll say here. And remember it for life. The BadBoys. Aren’t EVIL. They’re not r—pists or k—llers. They can help a granny cross the street and they do it all the time. They’re also great fathers. They call them this. Because these so called BadBoys, are so insanely attractive and sexually arousing to the female. That the women sexually spoil them beyond return.

Basically they become so utterly spoiled. And praised that they basically become narcissistic subconsciously. They literally become narcissists because all women are handing it to them on silver plater!!

It’s not a being a BAD GUY thing. A being an A-HOLE thing. It’s a being a DESIRABLE thing.

You becomes desirable to the female of your kind. You become the badboy. Same applies to the opposite sex. Same applies to women or men. If you’re an UNDESIRABLE, Sexually Unappealing. You will always be on the loosing end. In a relationship, the person with the best looks “AKA GENETICS”. Is always gonna have the upper hand.

Don’t ever again use terms such as bad or good. Nice or Bad. It’s so stupid. Call it Hot or Ugly. Period!!

[Opinion Owner]

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[Asker]

So women are shallow and superficial. Got it.

[Opinion Owner]

THEY ARE! THEY FREAKING 100% ARE!!
They’re the ones who create these Narcissistic BadBoys. Because we arrre!!

Read though this, this is why we are superficial
Women care about looks more than Men do. ↗

[SumomoSummer1]

Lol I read through the comments and there are some very interesting responses.


Anyway, I like nice guys. 😂😂 This one time I dated a guy who always carried a gun on him, but he would always open doors for me, offer to pay for my meal on dates, offer to take my trash out (I could go on and on). Sexiest thing ever😍. We didn’t stay together b/c we both moved away from the area, but I really liked him. I think this is the type of guys most girls want. A guy that you can feel safe with, but also loved by. That example would be my definition of the perfect bad boy. However, what would you consider that? Would u consider him a bad boy cause he’s always carrying a gun around or a nice guy cause he’s so sweet to me?


On another note. I think that most of the women that you’re describing have more underlying issues. It seems like the definition of a bad boy that you gave means that he has to be neglectful, emotionally immature, or abusive in some way (which I don’t agree with), but if a women is willing to accept those behaviors then she has other issues and a ‘bad boy’ has nothing to do with it.

[provokeesmokee]

If a man says he's "a nice guy and a gentleman" that's the biggest red flag for an incel there is.

If you're nice, you don't need to call yourself nice.

You're also describing behaviour that would be "cool" in 1950s moving pictures, not behaviour that actually makes people (nevermind women) like you.

I think it's true and worthwhile to reject self-labelled "nice guys".

What women want is a genuine guy who doesn't try to pretend to be someone he's not. Real humans aren't white knights in shining armour. Showing up as one is a warning sign of a maladjusted manchild.

[Asker]

But then you get genuine men and then start asking "Where have all the good men gone?"

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

The problem with this philosophy is that guys who do "nice things" for girls just to have a chance for dating/sex are not nice guys. It isn't meant to be transactional. We don't owe you sex or a relationship just because you bought chocolate or were a shoulder to cry on.

[Asker]

True. But then you also have no right to complain when a guy doesn't bend over backwards and embarrassed himself for your approval.

It's like some women want men to do all that gentlemanly stuff but then feel like they aren't obligated to give anything in return.

The type of guys that do act that way for nothing are what women refer to as ATM's

Honestly this is why Im actually for the legalization of sex work cause if men could actually hire a prostitute for sex, you'd probably find a lot less men trying to court women without their consent (I mean thats what you guys wanted right?)

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Nobody asked him to embarrass himself or bend over backwards. And, no, we aren't obligated to give anything in return. That's not how it works. It's gross to even think that way. I mean, would it be ok if it were the other way around and I said girls were nice to you so they are entitled to your finances?

If all you are in for is the sex, then by all means, hire a sex worker. I just wouldn't be surprised if you are left feeling hollow after.

[Asker]

No but I'll be honest with you I wouldn't be shocked in the least if some girls genuinely thought that.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

There probably are just like there are guys who think that being nice entitles them to sex. Neither are correct.

[Anonymous]

The only man I would want bringing me flowers and candy is the man I am in a committed relationship with. Not the guy trying to get with me, but the guy who already is with me.
Here’s how some of these nice guy behaviors come across: It comes across as clingy, and it tells me that you’re depending on me for your own happiness and you lack boundaries. It communicates that you’re a people pleaser, and you get upset when you don’t receive the outcome you wanted. The frustration when a woman doesn’t reciprocate makes it difficult to gauge whether the affections were genuine in the first place.

[Asker]

Then what WOULD you like the guy trying to get with you to do?

[Opinion Owner]

I would want him to relax and get to know me as a person. No need to try so hard. Let the relationship develop on its own in its own time. Chances are, he may discover we’re not incompatible after all and then he wouldn’t have to worry about buying flowers and candy anyways.

[Asker]

Basically you just dont want him to be overly pushy.

[Killsey]

What I think is that guys have this term confused. The guy who brings me flowers and chocolate, and letting me walk on your jacket over a puddle. Would you be willing to do this if we went on a date this Friday?

[Asker]

Hell naw. Honestly depending on how light you are it's easier to just carry your ass. I ain't about to ruin my 300 dollar coat for anybody.

[Killsey]

Do you think I expect you to do Any of these things?

[Asker]

You're a keeper if you don't.

[Killsey]

You'd be a keeper if you didn't do any of that stuff. The nice guys that finish last often do things we don't deserve. Boot lickers. Commonly known as The Simp. You also finish last if you let people walk over you. You don't have to be rude to let people know that you don't like something.

[Asker]

Well and here I thought women generally hated the word simp.

[Killsey]

I think it's a stupid word, but it's easier to get people to understand what I mean. I myself prefer The Boot Licker.

[Anonymous]

the 'assholes' are really nice to their gfs and stuff or else there's no reason they'd be with them. those types of guys are always nice with girls, and often not even assholes but can come accross that way to some people. besides the whole nice vs bad boy thing is just internet bs. girls like nice guys (as in being a nice person) they just dont like wusses. the nice guy stereotype on the internet is a boring wuss. being a dick will not get you girls that's something guys who spend too much time in the manosphere and dont have much experience with girls irl think

[LostandFound__x]

I think there’s a difference between being a nice guy and being a pussy boy.

[Nikki1989]

lol, sucks to be you. Enjoy the single life.

[Anonymous]

Being nice to another human being is the bare minimum. Everybody should be nice to each other. It shouldn't be a crowning achievement.

[Anonymous]

Gentleman don't have to call themselves gentleman or nice, they show it with their actions. These are the guys that are most sought after. Handsome gentlemen. Nobody wants a "bad guy" unless you're bad yourself lmao

[rachel776]

my boyfriend is a very nice guy

[Asker]

Was he your first choice?

[sheikalana]

That's a misconception.

[MissBoogus]

My boyfriend is both lmao 🤔