GAG Update for MHO's

[BeeNee]

What is a Superb Opinion?

You may see Superb opinions among the MHOs in a separate section. They are picks (based on an algorithm) from among the opinions selected. Only one is selected. A Superb Opinion pick can be from among the MHOs selected, but not necessarily. If the Asker picks the same pick as the algorithmic pick for the Super Opinion, he/she will earn 8 extra Xper. The user whose opinion was selected as a Superb Opinion will also be rewarded 8 Xper.

How many MHO's can I select now?

In the old system, users were allowed to select up to 4 MHO's, 2 per gender. Now you may select a max of 2 MHO's meaning either 2 of the same gender, or one per each gender.

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[CallMeDave]

I still don't really understand the Superb Opinion and how the criteria for choosing it differ from the criteria for choosing MHOs. I also don't understand how an opinion can be a Superb Opinion but not be an MHO. Not being MHO seems like it would mean that there were other better opinions. Can the Superb Opinion be different than the MHO even if the system picks MHOs or only if the asker does and the system disagrees?

Maybe I'll understand better once I start seeing some picked.

Regarding the number of MHOs, I was thinking the same thing that @Femdomina said - ideally the number of MHOs should depend on the number of opinions. If there's only a few opinions, one MHO total should be enough, but I've had several questions that got more than 60 opinions and there were usually several really good ones so for those it would be good to be able to choose several MHOs. So I like the idea of the number of MHOs being based on the number of opinions. Also it might be good to have an option for the asker to indicate that none of the opinions were helpful and then have the algorithm not choose one. I've seen some questions like that with no useful responses at all but some were still chosen as Most Helpful meaning that someone got rewarded for an unhelpful opinion.

I don't like the 3 day limit before the system-generated MHO selections. With that, the window between when we're able to choose MHO and when the system does is too small, plus there are sometimes still good opinions coming in at the 3 day mark. I liked a week. Even 5 days would probably be OK, but I think three is not enough.

[CallMeDave]

Is the Superb Opinion thing working yet? I haven't seen any yet on any of the questions I've looked at.

[Anonymous]

The idea of anyone except the Asker selecting the MHO is dumb and I will never support it. I already hate the fact that MHOs are automatically selected by GAG and adding a "Superb Opinion" selected by an algorithm is even dumber. It cheapens the entire concept of an MHO in the first place.

Well done, GAG! MHOs are now completely meaningless.

[BeeNee]

We do make the distinction in our MHO tags whether or not the user selected the MHO's or it was system selected. We do want to give anybody who answers your questions/mytakes the opportunity to gain xPER points whether they are from users, the system, or both.

[CarpetDenim]

If the system didn’t pick MHOs after a certain amount of time, most questions on here wouldn’t have MHOs selected at all, because a lot of askers forget to pick or can’t be bothered doing so. Knowing you aren’t going to get MHO regardless of how good your opinion is can completely take away any incentive to post an opinion at all for a lot of users, so the system MHO selection is just in place to ensure that users are rewarded for their helpful opinions in case the asker isn’t able to pick MHOs themselves.

Personally, I think the time should be extended to give the asker at least a week or two to select MHOs on their questions, but I don’t agree with removing the automatic selection altogether.

[Opinion Owner]

@BeeNee Where does it show whether the MHO was selected by the Asker or by GAG? I don't see it, I've never noticed it, and I doubt anyone else has either. But regardless, the entire concept of MHO becomes pointless when a computer selects it. If you want users to have the opportunity to get xPER points, in my opinion there are lots of better ways to do that which wouldn't compromise the integrity of MHO. Just having a lottery that assigns xPER points to 4 users in every question would be a much better solution than destroying MHO just for that purpose.

In the past I always made a point of reading MHOs because it was likely a good answer and it told me a lot about what the Asker was looking for and about their beliefs and values. But since the whole auto MHO thing started I just ignore them because they mean absolutely nothing. MHOs are useless now.

@CarpetDenim I disagree with your argument. I don't think most users post opinions just for the purpose of getting MHO. I don't care about getting MHO, and based on the types of comments most people leave, I don't think they care either. And I certainly don't think anyone would be any less inclined to leave a comment just because they think the user might forget to assign an MHO. Based on comments I've seen from ather users about this issue, I think it's far more important to most users that the MHOs actually meant something.

[BeeNee]

Thanks for your feedback. Underneath the MHO, there is a purple box that indicates whether it was asker selected or auto selected.

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks but I still don't see it. I just opened up several older questions where MHOs have been selected and looked for the purple box and cannot find it.

[Opinion Owner]

I am still hoping you can show me the purple box that indicates whether it was asker selected or auto selected. I have been looking for it ever since you mentioned it and still am not able to find it.

[Femdomina]

I have a suggestion, the number of MHO's should depend on the number of answers to each question, from minimum one, to maximum two.
For example: Less than 10 answers altogether (girls and guys combined) - 1 MHO per gender.
Up to 10 answers by girls and 10 answers by guys: 2 MHO's per gender (one of those can be Superb opinion).
More than 10 answers by girls & more than 10 answers by guys: 3 MHO's per gender (Gold Opinion, Silver Opinion and Bronze Opinion).
Feel free to use the idea or modify it as you like.

[Femdomina]

Thank you for MHO

[CarpetDenim]

May I ask what motivated the admin team to make the decision that an asker (or the system) can select two opinions from one gender, as opposed to the original system where askers had to pick one of each gender? That seems a little strange to me.

[BeeNee]

You can still pick an MHO, up to 1 per each gender, or you can select 2 of one gender if you so desire. If you only like the opinions of one gender in your responses, or like both, the choice is yours.

[CarpetDenim]

I understand that, but why even allow people to only pick MHOs for just one gender at all?

[BeeNee]

Why not?

[Jamie05rhs]

I actually don't disagree with this part. Because sometimes the answers are lopsided and all the best ones might just happen to be from the same gender. However, having only 2 instead of 4 is what I so strongly disagree with. What's wrong with having 4? Even Narnia had 4 monarchs.

[ShadowofRegret]

I know you guys mean well with the whole "MHO" thing, and I mean no offense when I say this, but honestly, I think most people generally don't care about MHO anymore, the whole thing about it being automated in such a way kind of takes away the value of it, and it only makes it about Xper points, which really don't seem to have any real value aside from increasing one's Xper level, it just makes the whole thing seem kind of pointless...

[coachTanthony]

Bravo!

[Unit1]

Ditto. Absolutely!

[ShadowofRegret]

Heh, thanks!😊

[Political_dude]

+1 . This needs MHO

[YourFutureEx]

1. Creeps and feminists will only select Girls as MHO now.
2. It will further complicate the things for the new users. Should have kept it simple.
3. Instead of giving us more time to select the MHO, you kept on decreasing it again and again to the point where no one bothers selecting MHOs anymore.
Consequently, opinions are selected only based on the algorithm instead of the opinions that really helped the asker.
(This is coming from a user whose 90% of the opinions are selected as MHO by the algorithm)

MHOs have become totally irrelevant now, except being a way to farm Xper.

I don't have only negative things to say. I liked that you have reduced the number of MHOs per thread as having 4 MHOs on a single question is very superfluous.

[Political_dude]

+1 I don't remember selecting mhos for most of my questions or takes. Tbh algorithm sucks.

[YourFutureEx]

@Political_dude algorithm only works for the rich class (hight Xper lv & opinions with the volume of encyclopedia)

[Unit1]

Useless

The system auto-picks MHO 72 hours after asking a question. This leaves no time for the author to check for opinions.
Therefore I stopped bothering with MHO's altogether.

@GirlsAskGuys

[coachTanthony]

Me too! I don't even select them anymore! Sorry guys!

[CallMeDave]

I don't like the 72 hour thing either. We're not allowed to pick MHOs for something like 18-24 hours and then if we don't pick by 72 hours, the system does it. That leaves a pretty small window for users that don't come here every day. Also, sometimes opinions are still coming in on questions at the 72 hour mark so being forced to choose MHOs might mean that a really good opinion that comes in late can't be chosen.

I liked it at a week as it was before, but even 5 days would probably be fine. I think 3 days is too soon.

[Unit1]

@CallMeDave my point exactly. I think 1 week time is a real sweet spot. On top of that i think there shouldn't be any auto selected MHO's on questions with just 5 opinions.

[Being_a_good_Indian]

*"How many MHO's can I select now? In the old system, users were allowed to select up to 4 MHO's, 2 per gender. Now you may select a max of 2 MHO's meaning either 2 of the same gender, or one per each gender."*It's my suggestion that G@G should allow 2 MHO's ONLY. Each per gender. It will reduce confusion among users.

[BeeNee]

The new system only allows for 2 MHO picks. You can pick one per gender, or 2 from one gender.

[Being_a_good_Indian]

Cool.

[Jamie05rhs]

You are being a bad Indian.

[Political_dude]

You are being a bad Indian

[Lemia]

As Much I like to applude the system I think its stupid. Firstly @girlaskguys should give the user a list of users that they think has the best opioion and then select that. Secondly How put a monkey in charge of reducing the MHOs from 4 to 2.

[justcurious2019]

i agree with you 100%

[0112358]

For active users MHO is completely irrelevant since this site is not actually a useful repository of answers you can look up and learn from. In reality the site functions more like a forum and once threads die they’re dead. Xper is just a measure of age and doesn’t work like karma.

Maybe GaGs revenue is all of showing ads to lurkers who are reading stuff from years ago though.

[Political_dude]

Hello fellow Redditor. Doesn't xper work exactly like karma? Wdym

[0112358]

@Political_dude karma is much more a bet up/down and hence measure of quality. Xper is primarily a measure of activity

[madgoat]

It's nice you want to keep tweak and developing the portal but I personally don't get the point of xper or mho other than a measure of how much time I've spent here. I kinda like the labels - I think I'm Yoda at the moment. Reminds me of Elite in the 80's...

[Anonymous]

Further suggestion: get rid of that stupid captcha at log in. It is bad enough having it at sign up, but at least, it then deters spammers. At log in, it just doesn't work unless I dive into my tablet's settings and disable some of my protection.

[TadCurious]

I wish you would have explained the criteria for how the algorithm will generate what is the "Superb Opinion" for a particular question.

[BeeNee]

The algorithm takes into account things like user engagement, likes, replies, length, etc. to help determine a superb opinion.

[TadCurious]

Okay, that was helpful. thanks

[ecfresh]

So a longer reply scores better than a shorter reply?

[BeeNee]

@ecfresh the system tends to avoid short responses like eh, meh, cool and looks for opinions that users have found helpful with the level of interaction or interaction from the asker.

[ecfresh]

@BeeNee with a career in web development I would have lots more questions about the algorithms and AI that go into the new SO feature but like any new feature trust you will release as a prototype and make improvements over time. Always encouraging to know although GaG is free it’s still being improved upon.

As a user of GaG going on 2 years now this is in my opinion a good feature. Motivating people to actually take time and leave an intelligent answer as well as ask follow up questions will only serve to help more authentic users seeking advice as well as discourage silly/trollish behavior.

I had to learn for many questions my initial feedback is to ask a question or two to get to the heart of the original askers question or reason for asking it. In addition as you mentioned interaction, I typically will end my advice with a question ensuring the asker understands my answer or can seek additional details.

Just as you can see in this thread for example I enjoy the back and forth interaction so kudos for keeping that going on GaG. Cheers!

[BeeNee]

@ecfresh Thank you for your feedback.

[coachTanthony]

If your answer is 5 paragraphs of complete trash it will win every time.

[ecfresh]

@coachTanthony I only counted 4 ;). You ok bro?

[coachTanthony]

@ecfresh Ha wasn't directed toward you.. just saying in general!

[ecfresh]

Ha ha I missed the word ‘if’. Plus just woke up from a nap. Ty for explaining, we good :)

[coachTanthony]

@ecfresh Yep Yep

[mistixs]

@BeeNee yeah but what if all the "user interaction" is from people arguing with the person because their opinion is so ridiculous and nonsensical? that happens frequently

[BeeNee]

@mistixs There is a specification as to whether selections were user picked or auto picked so if you are in disagreement, other users are aware that the asker did not select that post.

[supercutebutt]

Algorithm, can you please pick this response as superb?

[supercutebutt]

[CarpetDenim]

In O Heavenly Algorithm’s name, amen.

[LatinaMami2020]

Might as well give a trophy to everyone.

A real useful Edit to this website would be to remove the downvotes on comments or make it to whoever disagrees must comment on why they disagree.

[BeeNee]

Thank you for your suggestion, however, we wouldn't want to force users to comment if they do not want to whether they upvote or downvote.

[EnglundUberAlles]

Hear, hear! Downvotes are mostly just used to abuse people you disagree with, without sticking your head about the parapet.

[EnglundUberAlles]

or above it

[LatinaMami2020]

@EnglundUberAlles yes. That’s why I say either remove it or edit it. It serves no purpose whatsoever if people aren’t willing to back up why they disagree.

[Jamie05rhs]

A lot of people deserve to be downvoted. Because they're disgusting.

[LatinaMami2020]

@Jamie05rhs Well it’s not constructive if they don’t know they’re being disgusting.

[Jamie05rhs]

@latinamami People like that probably wouldn't change even if they did know.

[LatinaMami2020]

@Jamie05rhs ye of little hope

[DeeDeeDeVour]

I prefer the time when we were allotted 30 days to pick the MHOs. If we snooze, we lose! G@G steps in and picks the MHOs. Nonetheless, thanks for the heads up anyway.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Anyway, is this "Superb Opinion" something new here on G@G?
Has anyone been given a Superb Opinion award already?

[CubsterShura]

Welp gonna leave this here

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Thanks for sharing this MyTake , Well written and explained
i wondered what this was and glad you explained it.

[BeeNee]

Thanks.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

You're Welcome ( :__' )

[Warmapplecrumble]

I agree 🙂

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@Warmapplecrumble Thank you

[Warmapplecrumble]

You are welcome 🙂

[Political_dude]

I too agree

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@Political_dude Thank You

[dthomas89]

Not only do I think this is a stupid idea

I also think they should completely remove the idea of the MHO

How can you get MHO for "what's your favorite color"?

[supercutebutt]

Stop being so cranky.

[dthomas89]

Just sayin'

[dthomas89]

1 girl even agrees with me

[supercutebutt]

Sadly, three don't :(

[dthomas89]

I'm sure I'll get more

besides, 1 agreeing with me, is always enough to outweigh the negatives

get over it. YOU LOST

[ShadowofRegret]

"How can you get MHO for 'what's your favorite color'?"

That is a good point...

[HoratioCaine]

the algorithm is bullshit. i have so many colorful words for that but nothing will change

[tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ]

A whole lot of trolls are gonna get superb, the MHO algorithms are trash.

[wankiam]

couldnt agree more... to me if the user doesn't pick mho then nothing or no one else should

[loveslongnails]

It sounds like you are trying to fix something that isn't broken, really. Limiting MHO's to a max of 2 seems restrictive to me. I liked the old way better.

[andreasderjuengere]

I don't know: to exchange opinions and points of view is not really about collecting 'merits'?

[douride2]

This has been here for a month now & I have yet to ever see a S O