I'M NOT A NICE GUY! Why We Need to Stop Labeling Average Men "Nice Guys"

[awesometjgreen]

I'M NOT A NICE GUY! I get it Ladies, I'm not attractive to you because I'm not an athletic superstar or a good singer. I get it ladies, you don't like me because I'm not wearing the most expensive Jordans or yeezys. I get it ladies, you don't like me because I'm not driving a truck or a nice flashy car. I get it ladies, you need a strong man with big arms and a big wallet to protect and provide for you. BUT STOP CALLING ME A NICE GUY! and a creep, and a weirdo, and a nerd, and a loser, and all the other insults and labels you give average men. I'M NOT NICE TO YOU BECAUSE I'M A DOORMAT THAT WANTS SOMETHING FROM YOU! I'M NICE BECAUSE THATS HOW I WAS RAISED, TO TREAT OTHERS! THE WAY I WANT TO BE TREATED! I can't help it if I'm actually sensitive and care about doing the right thing. I Can't help it if I like to read and collect action figures. I understand ladies, those are all boring and uncool things. But please, if you can do anything, STOP LABELING AVERAGE MEN NICE GUYS! I'm not a creep, I'm not a weirdo, I'm not a nerd or a loser. I am just an average man that wants to be treated with respect and that's the only reason I'm writing this. Your probably thinking that I'm just another, "nice guy" on an angry rant. I don't care! I just hope you'll think about my words. Have a nice day!

[YourFutureEx]

Unfortunately, we are living in a generation where being called nice is actually an insult.

To be honest, if you really don't want to be called a nice guy, you gotta first stop caring about what they say about you. It's just the first step, but it'll be the biggest change.

If you like collecting action figures and it makes you happy, why do you even care what people will label you after they find out about your hobby? People will always bark no matter what. They even criticise the people who give charities. They call them "show-off". They'll always find and highlight the bad in you. The best you can do is to keep doing what you do, considering it is good and progressive, and let the good in you rule your life ans dominate the world.

[goaded]

The late, lamented, Terry Pratchett had something to say about this. I can't find the exact quote but it ran along the lines of "why is it normal for a child to decorate their room with pictures of football players, but not of science fiction heros?"

People are stupid.

[YourFutureEx]

@goaded good quote.

[goaded]

I wish it was a proper quote, I'm sure he put it better. I miss him. :(

[YourFutureEx]

@goaded well, at least you got to experience his idea in its true form and managed to engrave it into your philosophy :)

[Unit1]

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Try older women! Less baggage and less drama overall. And they know what they want most of the times. And often they are in their sex crazed stages. Go for it boy!

And stop pitying yourself like that. It's even more unattractive than being broke. Or else you'll get 0 pussy.

[awesometjgreen]

I know, I'm just sick and tired of normal guys being labeled for not being rich or super attractive. I feel like men get so much shit for no reason

[Unit1]

"Little girls", who are in high school are like that in my experience. College was not too different.

Hence associate yourself with the older folks and older women. They'll give you what you're after. Well, not the money or anything but directions and advises. Just make sure, that you listen to the right people, not some religious fanatics or manipulators.

The older folks have usually no time for drama and games. I've been like that myself in the past. Here I still am.

[Truthandlove2584]

I dunno why guys are soo weak nowadays? there is nothing wrong with being a nice/kind guy!! women love that! and not just for women.. but why would you want to meet your creator having spent your whole life being a jerk?
you never regret being kind!! I love a respectful kind guy!! no woman worth her weight in salt would ever give any attention or love to a jerk. Women who do... are pathetic and will soon realize their fault!
never change who you are or think its "uncool" to be nice. Takes a lot of strnegth/courage to be kind! especiall in the face of an unkind cruel world

[InsertCoolName]

It's because some men who aren't actually nice call themselves nice. This causes some men to think that being called nice (as in, legitamately nice) is an insult, when it's actually a compliment.

[awesometjgreen]

I understand and I totally agree and it's not so much about being called a nice guy it's the stereotype behind it. That men labelled as one are creeps and pedos and I'm tired of it. It's frustrating

[RaijuRainBird]

Well calling the guy weak is actually quite rude. So you should try and be more respectful.

With that out of the way, it’s because people use the term as a put down, and people pick up on these things in day to day interaction. Lots and lots of people use it as a form of bullying, and that’s got to stop.

[somewheresomeway]

You got to remember the take owner is 18. He’s meeting girls who are going through their moron bad boy chasing stages.

Sadly LEGITIMATE nice guys lose out with many women during this phase (and I’m not talking about the whiners either). What sucks even more these girls are at their most attractive around these ages too, but nice guys aren't usually cherry poppers.

Some guys (including myself) never felt the need to go around showcasing their assets. They might be smart, athletic, tough, etc. but they were taught to be humble about it. Many women sadly overlook those guys too

[Mi2mi2a]

1- If you are truly a nice person, why is it bad getting called nice?

2- the pejorative meaning behind 'nice guy' was created by some men to make themselves feel better.

3- when a girl is rejecting you and using nice guy in her 'rejection speech', it's no the nice that she rejected you for but the 'But' that comes after.

[awesometjgreen]

Google nice guy and see what I'm talking about. The post is about women who use the term to insult men and say that they are doormats/pedos/creeps because they are polite. Not every guy is like that

[WhistleForTheChoir]

I think the OP's inarticulate point is that just because a man is polite, empathetic and mild-mannered in public does NOT mean they are trying to manipulate you into sleeping with them, which is an accusation that is legitimately leveled in public.

For example, if some guy brings his girlfriend with a group of "the boys" and she seems like she is being left out, discounted or ignored, then a man trying to make her feel included and talk to her a little is NOT the same as timidly trying to get her to cheat on her boyfriend with you. But that is more often than not the assumption if her boyfriend isn't a really close friend and sometimes even if they are.

[RaijuRainBird]

It’s because people use the phrase as a put down, a form of bullying. People pick up on these things.

[levantine99]

good point. while the "nice" has gained a bad underpinning lately, its usually the weak, beta, withering and unconfident part of low social status that turns us off. nice traits might be there but usually accompanied with many antitraits and lacks.

[somewheresomeway]

@levantine99 women say they like assholes because of they are confident. Okay I get that. But an asshole also VALIDATES a woman’s low self esteem.

[somewheresomeway]

@RaijuRainBird spot on

[RaijuRainBird]

@levantine99 Well, but ‘weak,’ ‘withering’ And ‘unconfident’ have nothing to do with kindness. One can be all of those things and still be exceptionally kind.

But this guy doesn’t even necessarily want women to like him, he just wants to stop being a target for bullying. I think he’s basically right.

Men and women need to stop picking on these people for no reason.

[RaijuRainBird]

I think you might have your definition of ‘nice’ and ‘kind’ confused with something else, like maybe ‘altruism.’

Kindness is defined as: the quality of being generous, friendly and considerate.

Nice is defined as: Pleasent, agreeable and satisfactory.

Altruism is defined as: the belief in, or practice of, the disinterested selfless well being of others.

As you can see, there exists a big difference between ‘nice’ and ‘altruistic.’

I don’t think women even value men being pleasant, agreeable or satisfactory at all, and therefore they don’t even like niceness.

Altruism, on the other hand, seems to be valued. But here’s the interesting thing. Men who are naturally more selfish are more likely to be less nice, but more altruistic. The theory goes that because they are actually less considerate of others, they compensate for that by doing objectively good tasks— ie. Altruism, even though they are ultimately disinterested in the well being of others.

[coachTanthony]

It's not that they are nice guys or weirdos or nerds it's simply that they are probably boring and predictable. The so called NICE GUYS are usually not very interesting. The video below kind of explains this. Hope this helps someone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2AD8VNAJQk

[awesometjgreen]

Your not understanding the point of the mytake. Even if I'm boring and predictable, you don't have to make me feel like a monster, I'm just a human being and I have feelings too.

[coachTanthony]

Your not sensitive about doing the right thing.. your sensitive on what others think. There is a big difference. Why do you care what others think?

[awesometjgreen]

... Because I want love and respect too but apparently I'm not good enough for others the way I am.

[coachTanthony]

We all want that but demanding others to treat you that way certainly isn't going to work. I am short, fat , and bald but I can tell you I worked real hard not to be boring and predictable. Everyone can better themselves socially if they want to put in the work. I know I did.. very hard to overcome being short bald and fat.. but we get the cards that are dealt and WE ourselves need to turn that hand into a royal flush not demand respect for a two pair.

[Pamina]

It's usually the guys themselves who label themselves nice guys. It's them who usually say "I'm a really nice guy, why won't women date me?". Apparently you're not one of them, I'm just saying this is what I see most.

Also, the things you said in the beginning of your myTake (provided you mean them) show where the problem begins. If you really believe most women want an "athletic superstar" who wears expensive Jordans and drives a truck or a flashy car, then your perception is clearly warped. And a warped perception is often the main problem of guys who can't find a woman. They have this really odd, over-generalized stereotype of women in their mind and won't let go of it.

Are there such women? Yes, of course. But these are a certain type of women. It's 2018. There are so many different women out there who are into different things. It's really a matter of what type of people you hang out with. I literally never encounter women (my age) who only want to date super athletic guys. Most women I know don't care about a guy being wealthy, because they're independent and earn their own money.

Anyway, to get back to your original point. What exactly is it that bothers you about being considered nice?

[Unit1]

I upvoted this. This has been my case at some point in my life. Good advise.

[thecd1979]

I can see you have much anger and resentment towards women, and as long as you do things aren't going to change. I know because there was a time I felt exactly like you did. It's a not attractive, or a turn on. I had to learn the hard way that I was the problem, and not them. I can see you're going to learn the hard way too. You're basically saying "I'm a nice guy, so go out with me you dumb bitch" If being nice was all it took to snatch up a significant other, then everyone would be with someone. I'm sorry, but being nice isn't a special gift or talent, and none of these women owe you anything just because you're nice to them. You're nice to someone because it's what a decent human being does, you treat otheres the way you would like to be treated, not because you're expecting something in return. Thats not how it works. You need to be confident and someone that she can believe in, someone that makes her laugh, will listen, and bring out the best in her. The best thing you can do at this point is to focus on yourself, your goals and the plans for your life. I wasted so much time when I was younger complaining and being angry just like you are, instead of just focusing on myself. When I started just doing me, that's when I developed confidence and the women started noticing me, and even then it wasn't that big of a deal. I finally understood those guys that got the good looking girls but really didn't make a big deal out of it. To sum it up: confidence, goals, plans and abilities are sexy and what's going to get their attention. Whining, complaining, anger and resentment is un attractive and if that's the way you're being, it should be no surprise that they want to avoid you at all costs.

[awesometjgreen]

The post isn't about me. It's about using nice guy as an insult.

[thecd1979]

I see then. Well what it all comes down to is that this whole fiasco of "nice guys, bad boys, and friend zones is all bullshit. The thing with these kinda guys is that they feel they're bound by this set of imaginary rules and regulations they have to follow to get the girls, which of course never works. They see it like, if this doesn't work, I'll try this, and X+ Y x Z = a date, or she smiled so I completed the first step! It's just a lot of over analyzing and pointless gestures.. They fail to realize that they can take off these imaginary chains they have on anytime they want and just be themselves and that they just need to stop trying so hard. It's like I said most of these nice guys are going to learn the hard way and when they finally take off those chains, and work on becoming a confident version of who they are, then that's when things will change.

[BrittBratt2416]

Yes you are one of those "nice guys", you guys always project this bullshit on to women and are obsessed with thinking women are always after your money and honestly it's tiresome seeing it on this site and youtube. Yes, there are some women who use men to get to the top the same way there are men who use women for 5 mins of pleasure but you don't like us mentioning that cause when we do, the first thing you scream is "don't lump us together". Well imma tell you the same thing, stop lumping all of us women together. It's not women who are obsessed with money, its actually men who are most of the time cause look how you mention freaking air jordans and a fanzy car. I don't care if you own those things or not but apparently you do. You are definitely one of those "nice guys" who immediately assumes a woman wants an asshole or a rich guy just cause she's not into you. Should I assume a guy is player if he's not into me? No. I am so happy my boyfriend is not like men today in the west, you're paranoid, obsessed with money, anti marriage/relationships, and you blame all this shit on women as if you didn't help with the destruction of our society. Like honestly seeing you guys always speak this nonsense makes me want to go mgtow my damn self cause to be truthfully honest you guys sound like nagging women.. you really do.

[awesometjgreen]

😑... my god. The post is not about women it's about the comments they use.

[BrittBratt2416]

So in other words it's about us.

[TheJoe92]

Shut up, you women are the first one who always like to say that all men are this, all men are that... try to admit you are a bunch of hypocritical carrot sucker , or else don't complain if we react in a certain way.

[BrittBratt2416]

@TheJoe92 um kinda the same thing you guys are doing? All women women are feminist w/o want to take my balls, all women are goldigger etc.. you're just as much of a hypocrite yourself.

[BrittBratt2416]

@TheJoe92 and see or off that you didn't read what I said cause I agreed that there are women out there who use men for money. But you have selective ass reading and just want to assume women are on a man hunt when we're not.

[TheJoe92]

No, you like to say that we do, but the way I see it, women are the first one who like to complain about men but then when men do the same, oh it's always men's fault. If we have to admit our lacks etc, it will be kind if you will start doing the same, or else... if we have to act like teens, you as a class will keep saying men are this men are that? We will repay you the same way, fair enough.

[BrittBratt2416]

@TheJoe92 we don't always say it's men's fault and neither do I. I think this is just something you guys like to throw on us women cause you don't want to admit you're at fault even if you are.

[Catholicgirl22]

Nice Guy
A badge of martyrdom. Men who spend their most of their time whining about how women “just want to date jerks”. Oblivious to the fact that no one finds people who feel sorry for themselves attractive, much less people who blame others for their lack of success. Most self proclaimed “nice guys” are just as self-centered and misogynistic as the jerks they gripe about, they are just much more spineless. To stupid to figure why women don’t find them attractive, they conclude that in order to get laid they must treat a woman like shit.
They tend to befriend women with the expectation that women owe them something more than friendship, then get all pissed off when the women tells them she’s not interested. Often going after women who are already in relationships, they misrepresent their intentions and try to use emotional manipulation and the facade of friendship as an excuse to get closer to them and score with them.
The sort of man who will give my definition a thumbs down. :)
Nice Guy: Why don’t women date nice guys like me?
Honest Girl: Because, you have no self-esteem and you have to blame other’s for your problems.

Nice Guy
1. A manipulative male that forms friendships with females under the false pretense that it won't be a sexual relationship. All the while actually lusting after the female. He is then generally confused as to why the female goes after males that are open about their desires, and blames the female when it is his own fault for creating a friendship when he really wanted to date her.

2. The guy that's always there for his friends.
"Jim's such a nice guy, he tried to get into my pants after telling me he just wanted to be friends."

[Catholicgirl22]

Nice guy
A Nice Guy is nice with an ulterior motive; he believes pretending to be a decent human being entitles him to endless sex with his unfortunate female target. Instead of openly expressing interest and then moving on if rejected, the Nice Guy prefers to attach himself like a barnacle to one woman, hoping that if he pretends to care about her feelings long enough, he'll get at least an awkward handjob in the bathroom. Nice Guy is then bewildered when acting like a friend results in his getting treated like a friend. The advanced-level Nice Guy will call his lady of choice a frigid bitch while simultaneously patting himself on the back for being so nice. Nice Guy fails to understand that acting nice in hopes of getting sex is not actually the same as being nice, and as a result can be found in his natural habitat martyring himself all over the internet.
If women really only dated assholes, then "Nice Guys" would have no problems getting women.

[TayTay21]

LOL damn, giving Catholics a bad name with this.

[awesometjgreen]

@TayTay21 I feel so sorry for you. You must be a miserable bitch. You don't even understand the point of the mytake so that's why I know your a basic bitch just like the one I described. #1: it's not about me, it's about average men being beta shamed for no reason. #2: contrary to what you might think about me I'm not a fat loser, in fact I'm 5'7, I have a girlfriend, and I'm getting ready to start college. And lastly as a word of advice, read the comments too before you waste your time ranting. Thank you!

[awesometjgreen]

Sorry taytay21 that's not meant for you it's for catholic girl

[Catholicgirl22]

Point is nobody is labelling average decent guys as "nice guys". Calling a man a "nice guy" is basically code for the descriptions i have for what "nice guy" means in 2018. If you you don't fit the description then you shouldn't be so mad. Nice guy basically means creep.

[awesometjgreen]

I agree but your still not getting the point of my post. Even if a man is creepy to you, you don't have to shame them if you reject them. The other point I was trying to make also was that from what I've heard and seen, too many guys have been wrongly labelled, "nice" for just being polite. I'm simply trying to say that never guy is manipulative if he's nice and if he turns out to be you don't have to slander his name and make the world hate him to reject him

[awesometjgreen]

*not every guy is manipulative. Sorry I put never.

[Catholicgirl22]

It's one thing rejecting a guy or just turning them down off that was just it but "Nice guys" don't accept that. They hang around, try to interfere in your relationships, spread rumours that your slut or your boyfriend is cheating, pretend to be your friend, try and get you drunk, try and slip something into soda, steal your underwear, jerk off to your Facebook pics, try to walk in when they know your changing, video you in the shower, wait until your emotionally vulnerable after a break up or bereavement to make sexual advances all while pretending to or trying to pretend to be your friend. Or they just get really aggressive and intimidating when you reject them the first time. All because you won't sleep with them.
A good decent guy accepts when you turn down his sexual advances and nice guy does not.

[awesometjgreen]

And I agree but I think we are still using the wrong label. We shouldn't call them nice guys if they do these things and still claim to be nice. We should just stick to straight up calling them creeps and pedos. On the other hand I'm still not talking about these kinds of men. I'm saying that too many shy and socially awkward males are bullied and called a nice guy and get the reputation of all the stuff you just said regardless of if a woman is involved. So you are right but we need a term to call the men you are describing so the, "good" or decent men don't get wrongly accused

[LeFae]

If you're genuinely a nice, kind person then you have nothing to worry about. Those girls will then be using the "nice guy" term wrong and you should take no notice of them.

The term "nice guy" is now used when a guy tries to woo/seduce a girl simply by being nice to her, he does a kind deed or gives her a nice compliment and he expects something from the girl in return, however when the guy is rejected he shows his true colours and turns out to not be a nice guy at all, but is actually rather vulgar and in some cases psychotic.

So the term "nice guy" is actually used in an ironic way, the men labelled this way aren't nice people and just expect to get a girl by being a normal nice person, they simply can't deal with rejection. Women don't owe anything to them because they were nice, even though their niceness is usually fake.

For more insight on this I recommend watching the r/niceguys videos on YouTube, a particularly good channel (and rather funny) is SorrowTV, there is also in fact "nice girls" too and he also has videos on them, so guys aren't the only ones who can be like that.

ALSO, there's nothing wrong with being a geek, some girls are attracted to that. My boyfriend is a huge geek and that's one of many things I love about him, we always geek out together (we both collect action figures too). Please don't let these mean girls get you down!

[rjroy3]

If you're being described as a Nice Guy, then it's because they don't really know you. What you WANT to hear is you're a "Good Guy" or even a "Sweet Guy". Because in either case you're at least being qualified in a real way. I've only heard guys being described as Nice if they were people pleasers who are afraid to get anyone upset, because they want everyone to like them.

You don't have to be a super hot guy for that to happen. My guess is that since you're so bothered by this. You're probably trying to hard as a people pleaser who wants approval too much.

[Anonymous]

I suggest to those girls below to shut up, how hypocritcal are you? You are the first ones who always complain about men. Most of you are very good at claiming you want a nice guy , who treats you well etc... but if you get him, you end up walking away, often treating him like a stupid looser , and you end up sucking those savage morons who offer you cocktails at party just because they want to plug your holes (the kind all of you always claim you would keep at distance ). But then instead of admitting you are a bunch of hypocritical cows, you find new excuses , like "most nice guys are not really nice, since they want one thing too". Hahahahahaha and what is a problem? That a nice guy likes to have sex too? Shut up, you only deserve to be banged by those cocky guys who really only want to put something inside you and nothing more.

[Intuitiongirl]

The men who are seen as creeps and pedofiles and sociopaths being called "nice guys"? Really?

I think this is literally only a thing in west... maybe.
I don't know first time do I hear this. I'm from Europe.

This is some counterintuitive BS.
Very weird.

Words shall be used for what they mean.

This is bot even sarcasm. This is some twisted shit, ... if it's true... which I have hard time believing in.

[awesometjgreen]

Google nice guys and see what I mean

[Intuitiongirl]

I did and literally the only result is a movie called "Nice guys" advertisment poster / dvd image. Nothing bad about that - thats just a movie named that way.
This was the case both in web search and in image search.

[awesometjgreen]

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php

[WhistleForTheChoir]

It's more an English-country speaking thing as far as I can tell.

[RaijuRainBird]

This guy is not a rapist for God’s sake. Just a person whose suffered bullying from the general public.

The term ‘creep’ needs to stop being used because it’s really a form of bullying used to people down, legitimately kind and honest people at that, who are just trying to live their lives. I’m getting tired of watching people like this guy get bullied.

[JDavid25]

Nice take.. I'mma nice guy.. A genuine nice guy.. Basically a gentlemen.. I'm sure not all girls see it that way or use "nice guy" as an insult.. But you are absolutely right in many aspects.. Unfortunately that's what nice guy was been reduced to.. A pun for guys are just wanna get in girls pants, or a weaklin..

[awesometjgreen]

Finally someone that understands! People keep thinking I'm angry. The post is just written from the perspective of men who feel this way.

[JDavid25]

Yes of course exactly!..

[StrappingYoung]

It's fine bro, don't worry about it. My tip to you would be to not invest too much of your feelings into a person until you know how they feel about you. That way if they hit you with "nice guy" you won't be as upset. Don't change who you are though, stay a nice guy.

[awesometjgreen]

The post isn't about me but you are definitely right. Thank you

[Anonymous]

I've always hated being called nice. My response is always "i try to be". Knowing i can't be all the time. Anything i did for any random person that they would have called nice, i always walked away remembering it like it was a week ago. I happened to be there, did what i could and moved on.

When people use "nice guy" as an insult, it's for guys that use niceness as an act to get what they want. To keep score. If you are a nice person, you do what you do and not think twice about it. people can definitely notice the difference.

The moment i recognize this, was when i was working in the parking lot pushing carts, someone cut me off and 20 minutes later, another guy came up to me and said "that was fuck up what that guy did to you" my legitimate response was "that happen today? I only half remember it." Thats when i brainstormed this distinctions between niceness and the "nice guy".

[Opinion Owner]

You liked my stand, but under my own definition of "nice" I question your stance by making this MYtake. You seem to be hurt by your efforts in life and seem to be keeping score. Again people will see thid differance.

[levantine99]

humans are animals. you are not a saint either. you wouldn't marry a woman looking like a troll for her "golden heart". likewise, most secular and even christian women want certain traits in men. they are biologically wired to do so. him being an alpha, standing strong on his feet, not getting triggered, being cool under pressure, socially savvy and with good social circle. if you achieve those you will be called cool, not nerdy or weak anymore. its your character lacks that doesn't make women wet not your hobbies. bet you are a nice guy truly in some aspects. but what life taught me, is that in the jungle you can't play with the rules of heaven. you need to toughen up. and to socialize up.

[levantine99]

the wise man takes this criticism with gladness and adapts. the beta man gets triggered and downvotes, and then proceeds labeling himself nice. dont shoot the messenger. the truth is just what it is. watch a youtube channel like the fearless man or real social dynamics. to learn a bit more on how to up your social and eventually your dating game.

[Tdieseler]

ain't gonna lie... you speak the general truth... if not the absolute truth... i haven't tested it yet.
Theory:
I have dated a girl who had a great personality and to top it off... an ass that was moulded in hell to tempt men... but the face? meh... no, not so good... and well when push came to shove... she got friend zoned.
So you speak some wise words... but you miss his point... he's talking about choosy ass females. and you are talking about choosy ass males lol... kinda funny... you are both on the same page

[xctmnt]

It's still a hell of a lot easier for women. Stay relatively fit and healthy, dress tolerably, maybe add a touch of makeup, and don't be a pain in the ass: done. Men have to literally have everything together as well as always being mindful of raising their social status.

[erichrmz]

"in the jungle you can't play with the rules of heaven"
u know i'm not religious, but i prefer play with the rules of heaven in the jungle... and die a virgin... and die alone...
rather than being another animal in the jungle and get laid for 1 hour pleasure...

[TayTay21]

Look, dude, women label men just like men label women. Why? Because women are no better, despite what your mom told you. Most women are sniveling, jealous little manipulative cunts. They will stab you in the back and they cry to their daddies if you call them out. That's human nature. So stop worrying about "women" and worry about "woman," as in the one woman out there who is a match for you and actually worth your time.

[StrappingYoung]

Man you have nice teeth, do you brush those with sunlight?

[TayTay21]

@StrappingYoung Thanks! I get them pro whitened every six months. They would look terrible if I didn't because I drink coffee all the time :)

[Bandit74]

lol, its kinda humorous to me how "nice guy" has become such a negative and controversial term now. It seems like women are pissed off more by "nice guys" who never really did anything to them aside from maybe complaining about how they are always rejected or calling her a slut than they are by players who actually cheat on them or lie to use them for sex.

Sure, maybe the guy who claims he's "nice" isn't actually that nice, but it just seems silly for girls to get so mad when most of the self proclaimed nice guys never do anything beyond complaining or acting bitter.

[Anonymous]

If you label yourself as a "nice guy," women give you shit about it. The reality is that on a deep level, they are attracted to assholes because it is associated with strength and confidence. The reality is that most women aren't "nice" to begin with. Many are self-absorbed, narcissistic bitches who think they are owed something from guys. If they detect weakness, they will tear you apart and use you for their own purposes... while they fuck someone else. Guys who grasp this have far more women in their lives. It's just a cold, hard fact...

[somewheresomeway]

Women also go to assholes because these guys validate their low self esteem. Very few will admit that but I recently got in a conversation with s long time galpal (who I’m not attracted to) about how she kept going back to her physically abusive boyfriend. This guy reminded her of her father.

[Opinion Owner]

@somewheresomeway Yes, that is very, very common.

[somewheresomeway]

I just wish more women would fess up to it. This “well because the asshole is confident” is a bullshit excuse women say to make themselves better for their own backward decisions.

There are “nice” guys out there who don’t complain, whine or act like a pussy but still get passed up because they don’t feel a need to brag.

[Opinion Owner]

@somewheresomeway Exactly right!!!

[anniisa]

Men are the ones who labelled themselves as 'Nice guys' not women.

[awesometjgreen]

But women twisted it and turned into an insult.

[anniisa]

It was never an insult. But men labelled themselves as nice guys to deal with the fact that women want 'Assholes' and how the 'Nice guys finish last'. This whole terminology wasn't invented by women.

It doesn't make sense that women would even label men as that. All the other terms you used do make sense but it Nice guys. Firstly no woman would never label a guy she doesn't want as a nice guy. Nice is good, we like nice people.

It's the guys who get less attention, and were never considered popular named themselves 'Nice guys' to feel better about themselves.

[anniisa]

Would ever* label

But not* nice guys

[awesometjgreen]

Not true. I never said anything about feeling better about myself. I'm simply saying that women love to say, "your too nice" and all this other bullshit as a way to reject men, SOMETIMES actual average guys who actually aren't manipulative and are naturally polite. It makes them look like monsters to the stereotype of the, "nice guy" who can't get girls. I'm simply saying it needs to stop

[anniisa]

I never said I was talking about you. But you've made out like women made this 'Nice Guy' thing up. It wasn't us it was men.

If women are really saying 'You're too nice' it's a nice way of saying you're maybe too clingy, or just not attractive to them by appearance. If you really don't like the feedback women give you then look at yourself and grow as a person. Go the gym, eat healthy, seek more confidence. Whatever it takes to not start moaning that you're an average guy because in my opinion that can be fixed easily for men. Not so much for women but that's a whole different topic and we aren't going there

[awesometjgreen]

Your still not getting the point. The stereotype is that all, "nice guys" are flawed in some way. If you dont like someone tell them you don't like them but don't make it worse by calling them something they aren't.

[anniisa]

Yeah I get your point. I don't know all women so I can't say that not all women talk like that but as far as I know myself or any other woman I know wouldn't use these stupid terms in real life.

[awesometjgreen]

@RicoSuave123 seriously bro 😐

[anniisa]

@RicoSuave123 what a sad excuse of a 27 year old. No wonder you're still single

[RicoSuave123]

@anniisa

all I have to do is go out
to a get together to meet people and I'll have 3 to 4 girls trying to ride my dick
it's not hard

but like I said they are stupid so they are not worth it
bitches better prove themselves

[Riggers]

No, lol.

[RicoSuave123]

@Riggers

says the 19 year old virgin

[awesometjgreen]

@RicoSuave123 come on man. I just finished talking about insulting men. That's not nice bro, chill out please.

[Riggers]

@RicoSuave123 hahaha, Rico, look at your comment, 27 and you're going on about bending young girls over and fuckin them, get outa here you fuckin nonce 😂

[RaijuRainBird]

Wow. You're being extremely rude.

[somewheresomeway]

I can somewhat agree that the "nice guy" is boring or something and how the asshole is more confident.

But many "nice guys" were raised to be humble about their attributes. They don't feel the need to go around showcasing their talents. It's likely that they could be very smart, athletic, attractive, physically tough (although usually not verbally), creative and even funny.

But it takes effort for a woman to discover these things in a guy. Loudmouth dbags remove any need for thinking, so women will flock to those guys whether they are really successful or not (posers can do well with women).

THAT is the issue we have here. THAT is what the take owner is pissed about. Being "nice" doesn't mean we "deserve" to get laid, but we don't deserve to BE MOCKED/BULLIED either.

One other much uglier reason that assholes are attractive to women is because they VALIDATE her low self-esteem. His abuse fulfills some masochinistic twisted desire in many women.

[Pejtu]

If she keeps talking to you about bullshit u dont want to hear or ask opinions about other guys or make u do some stuff instead of her doing it herself whatever the reason is fkn block her dude if she is not your girlfriend
I can only accept a little whining from my girlfriend if she does that
Im not gonna tolerate whining bcs u dont know what to do fkn deal with it its your problem i dont care im not your boyfriend so dont use me as a shoulder to cry on fuck off :)
Yes that was brutally honest that is why im not a "nice guy"

[Pejtu]

Other thing is when u are genuine person i dont see opening door for a girl as a nice guy thing or helping with 100 pounds bag

[Juxtapose]

lol @ the female comments.

But really, your life will be sssooooooo much easier once you stop caring what other people think because most people are barely rational primates. Focus on yourself and find people who you enjoy being around and fuck the rest.

[Tdieseler]

So... average guy... got it... but it ain't changing no women.
I actually commented because i LOVE LOVE LOVE your fucking delivery, the use of caps and emphasis... You are 18... ugh... the things i can teach you... but first... first... you wanna hear yourself speak? check my profile and read my Rantisodes... then check in again lol.

Lovely article... good shit.

[awesometjgreen]

Thank you. The post is really about me though. The rant is about women using nice guy as an insult and making men out to be something they aren't. Thank though

[Tdieseler]

Did you read the rantisodes?