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I agree with the first part. Nice guy only recently means manipulative. For the longest time nice guy meant boring doormat. No self respecting man would ever refer to himself as a nice guy.
But the title never said "Stop calling boring guys "nice guys""
Well, It's not my fault if people are currently using the word improperly.
Who ever said it's your fault?
You're missing the point. I'm agreeing that one should stop mislabeling manipulative men as nice guys. Im also pointing out what the word means and why. "Nice guys" are actually nice, but are also boring, bland, doormats. Not qualities women look for. No man wants to be called one, and no man who actually knows what it actually means would call himself one.
That first point of your is my the point of the mytake while that second is not a part of it. Sure nice guys can be boring but they really aren't. They just can be.
Nice has nothing to do with being a doormat. Source: Every dictionary ever. You can be nice and a doormat, you can be nice but not too nice, you can be nice to some mean to others, you can be nice the normal amount, etc. It's not a cookie cutter one way just because society suddenly says so. Who is more logical? Society or a dictionary?
Many dictionaries change definitions according to mob rule rather than correct the masses using a term incorrectly. Also, we're talking about the term nice guy specifically, which is different than the word nice.
That being said I do agree with what your saying, I just don't think it applies in this particular context.
But think about it, if you asked some random person what does a nice guy mean, they will most likely say what it literally means, which is male person who is friendly or kind. Same thing can be said about a nice girl. The quotations were made up specifically to vilify the word nice for something that it's not and now guys can no longer say call themselves nice as a good thing or risk them being defined wrongly. HOWEVER, oddly enough, WOMEN do not have such issue, despite women being having just enough possibility to be fake nice as men. Why is that? Why is this only a rule for men? Given it's usually talked about in articles that make bad boys, thugs, etc out to be actually ok give any excuse to date them instead, you start to wonder if the term "nice guys" is just tossed around so women have a BS excuse to date really shitty guys without being seen as stupid, even if they are obviously going to end up abusive, dangerous, and as rapists. That is why we must stand against such wrongful phrasing and demand the word be defined correctly and as the dictionary says. it's a tactic women use to screw us over. It's a tactic they use to paint men as bad and never able to meet a perfect standard whether nice or not because we are either fake nice or bad and while "hotter", possibly a threat, nothing else besides the two and it traps men into being evil no matter what we do while women get no phrasing like that at all. The more we demand to use it only by dictionary definition, the less power they have in it. Don't let women fuck us over with it. That's what they want. If I were to say this in some places on Tumblr, can you imagine how many condescending, mean, degrading comments and assumptions about me I would get just for pointing this simple fact out? Is that fair? Is that right?
bottom line is, we can't excuse women for being stupid. We can't let them be excused for bad choices. We can't let ourselves be blamed for it. THEY must take the blame. THEY must be called out. THEY must be bashed harshly for it so there is no more excuse! No more BS of women LITERALLY going to OBVIOUS rapists and dangerous people yet getting sympathy for what happens after! Time they grow up and be adults!
@errorgoodnameunfound we must be bashed harshly for having a way to describe a common occurrence?
@MlleCake Yes. Get a thesaurus and make use of it! We can easily make "nice" girl a huge "phenomena" as well. Why stop there? How about when describing shows having "good" shows? Or how about "delicious" fruit cakes? Yah, why not take every positive word ever and make it sarcastic, that way there are no good words anymore and everything is either sarcastic or negative? And js, don't bother getting all condescending and stupid towards me as women often do when I point this all out, in order to put me down and shoo me away because it's about as effective as a bug on a windshield. Just a warning.
@errorgoodnameunfound We don't have to.
We have found cultural meaning in the term and the concept. Tough luck for you and Aiko who are playing like you can't comprehend it.
@MlleCake Listen you condecending feminist fuck. Me and Aiko both know full well whats going on and why the term is used. Its ironic that you and most women claim to dislike fake men but you get offended the minute they hold a different opinion. You could say Im being blunt real and mean. But women dont like nice men according to so dont complain about it. Why do you think guys are dating less as a whole? Why do you think many guys includimg me are going bi or gay? Women aren't worth the time money drama or effort. Coming from a mainly female family, girls don't intimidate me. You dont intimidate me. Wake up. You can call me bitter. You can dismiss me. Mock me. Block me. Idgaf. I dont back down just because a majority of people or condecending feminist says to. You dont want nice. So fine. Ill be mean af. Go on. Laugh and roll your eyes, get all condecending like the immature child women like you are. My point wasn't made for only you. My point has a rising army behind it. you're predictable. I can see your next move woman but WOMEN. DO. NOT. SCARE. ME. Try me.
@errorgoodnameunfound Not trying to scare you. Just show all the gaps in your claims.
I'm not finding it the least bit difficult to have incredible, good men in my life. I am sorry you're finding it so difficult to have a loving supportive relationship.
@MlleCake Dont lie to me woman. You have acted on multiple occasions with huge babytalk condescending BS immaturity, subtle sly remarks, and hands cupped over your ears to me Aiko and likely many men like us. We know your game. We see through you. Perhaps you are so defendent about the nice guy term BS cause YOU YOURSELF are a "nice girl"? Thats what Im seeing. You avoid direct insult s and being mean uaually and try to keep it subtle. you're FAKE. A bitch. Narcisstic. Egotistical. Hell wouldn't be suprised if you are a GOLD DIGGER in one way or another. You're getting called out hun. Game over. You can continue to act childish and be a cakesniffing catalina or woMAN up and have a real INTELLIGENT conversation where ALL sides mine aikos yours whoever is acknowledged. Or you can continue to reflect badly on women by being all subtle or condescending sarcastic etc. Your move girly.
@errorgoodnameunfound I'm not always very pleasant about what I say. I don't deny that.
But the rest of this is just your cooked up story that makes you feel better.
The side of anti-feminists is not a side anyone who believes in creating a just society should consider.
Aiko's narrative is full of holes and contradictions. It just is.
You don't appear capable of engaging in an intelligent discussion since you essentially resort to name calling from the word go.
@MlleCake And ironically that's what you've been doing.
Yeah what you claim as a feminist then we explained what feminism do with facts, statistics and empirical data, then you say you're not a feminist while claiming the label but still continues to act like them saying things like accusing me of being full of holes and contradictions. That's so ironic and contradictory.
Agreed! And fuck, I actually back some aspects of feminism but seriously! Women are fucking it up SO bad! How are they ever gonna become "equal" if they can't even use simple intellect or engage in a meaningful conversation for more than 5 minutes without getting condescending and nasty just over an opinion that's even 1% different from theirs?
@errorgoodnameunfound I'm not talking about women. I'm talking about feminists. Big difference.
@MlleCake
I'm not always very pleasant about what I say. I don't deny that. (You were the first one ALWAYS to get condescending and snarky when people just want normal conversation. If you can't handle other opinions, GTFO the internet girly!"
"But the rest of this is just your cooked up story that makes you feel better." (I could say the same about you. WHAT is the point about that statement? It doesn't scare me. It doesn't bring anything new. There's no value in it to the conversation and lacks proof. It makes ZERO points. It only makes you seem stupider)
"The side of anti-feminists is not a side anyone who believes in creating a just society should consider." (who ever said I was anti feminist? Perhaps Aiko is, I don't know, but just because me and him agree on many things doesn't mean we both belong to fascist cult of exact copy robots)
"Aiko's narrative is full of holes and contradictions. It just is." (Really? Proof? No? Ok then. I can take one look at your profile pic and declare "you're an old hag that nobody loves. You just are." That's suddenly true because it was said?)
"You don't appear capable of engaging in an intelligent discussion since you essentially resort to name calling from the word go."
WOMAN!
YOU HAVE LITERALLY BEEN EGOTISTICAL, RUDE AND CONDESCENDING FROM THE START!
Your hypocrisy is way past over-flooding and it literally ENGULFING the room!
If you are as rude and snarky as you are, no DUH we are going to be mean back! It's called LIFE. You can't go around doing what you want and expect people not to fight back because you think you're special! You aren't! You're a human being that poops, vomits, pees, and is full of bio hazards all over you on a daily basis! You're FLESH. You're BONES! You're just another fuckin human like anyone else! Cry and river and gtf over it! Geez no wonder you aren't even in a stable relationship at age 46. Let me guess, twice divorced with three kids you sued for child support over? "but he was hawt" right?
Eh, I gotta disagree with ya there dude. It's undeniable that most women have benefited to some degree from feminism even if they hate it with all their heart. Just like men have undeniably benefited from the back breaking building of things and the lives risked for wars and stuff, which I guess you could say is masculinity. Without the feminist movement, women wouldn't be able to vote, divorce, own property, disagree with a man, walk out of a kitchen, not make a sammich for me at this very moment (lol jk), work, etc. etc. While men have historically been in the front lines for anything be it philosophy, politics, war, and innovation, women fought hard to even say a peep in those sort of matters, so really, it's hard to separate the two. From what I saw in some videos you posted too, be careful of your sources. For example, the daily caller and daily mail. While they may have a few articles seemingly in support of males, these are the same people that demand men get married and are against women working, which then in return, brings about the gold digger problem. Other sources may seem like they ALWAYS back cliche feminism talking points, but look a bit harder and you'll find men that agree with what we are saying without an ulterior motive to keep marrying, baby making and gold diggers a trend. Stay independent bud. Free think! I saw you didn't like MGTOW, but you don't have to go along with cult or idiots that drag it down to get the ideas it's should stand for. If it means true to the definition, then it values basically values freedom, independence and free thinking, exactly what we need. MGTOWers are often awful, but some say and think just like us so don't be scared away from the few bad apples.
Men Going Their Own Way by definition means men that make their own path and walk down it, regardless of what others say. How is that not badass?
@errorgoodnameunfound Well, if they actually went, and stopped clogging up the internet with whining and butthurt, that might be badass.
I know tons of confirmed bachelors who created their own great lives. They're awesome.
Pissbabies and snowflakes are far from badass. You're all mostly stupid as fuck.
@MlleCake Blind. I'm not even too much of a fan of MGTOW or any of it honestly as they can be so goddam culty and hypocritcal too. Own way should mean own way and the bachelors you met likely define the true definition of it without trying. Don't group me in with them because they really fuck up what it should be about 70% of the time so it's hard to like em much at all. Too many infiltrators.
For what it's worth it'd definitely help if those wankers stopped calling themselves 'nice guys'. I'm all for using more straightforward terms but you can't blame the girls for that phrase becoming the well-used one ey.
You didn't get my point. Calling them nice guy can misinterpret a lot of people when they demonstrate being creeps. They call themselves nice guys but that doesn't mean we go with the flow. I that not to hurt their feelings that's why we just call them nice guys? Cool. It's ok to hurt nice guy's feelings but not the creeps that's why they go with the flow.
I got your point but think it's a bit idealistic to expect others to change their language when that's what the people are calling themselves. Best of luck though, can suck to see people being decent get caught in the crossfire when terms aren't straightforward.
The point of this mytake is to bring awareness. Look at those guys I selected MHO. They're relatable to lots of guys. So why is it ok to be like that but when I say "stop calling manipulative guys "nice guys"" not ok?
It's fine to say 'stop calling manipulative guys nice guys', but saying "specially feminists destroying the ideology of a nice guy" in the intro? Mate, if anyone's wrecked the term 'nice guy' it's the wankers that've called themselves that while being wankers. I agree that it'd certainly be good to see people using more accurate terms, just straight up calling them dickheads or any of the terms you brought up, but try not to blame it all on the 'feminists' if you want people to take the appeal seriously.
It's actually those haters like feminists who are stupid enough to call them by their label instead of their action. This is common question from a missandrist. "Why is it that just because you're nice to me, I'll give you my body?" And I can say "Why is it that you think just because you're nice to me, you'll give me your body?" Feminists are misandrists making lots of excuse to hate men and I've done researches about open forums and articles which people get to rate, response and see. If they don't hate men then they don't have to call themselves feminists because you can't claim for equality if you're focusing on one gender denying men's issues. They say "feminism is about equality" but the demonstrate hatred against men. When the real meaning of feminism is the advocacy of women's rights. Not for both rights which is not equal to being an egalitarian.
Sorry mate but that's a bit of a yikes from me. Some feminists are misandrists sure, but saying they all are is the same as people saying anyone who stands up for guy's rights is a misogynist. I'm all for egalitarianism as well, but there's ways to go about it that bring people onto your side and ways that push others who could be sympathetic away.
Best of luck on the quest to regain the term.
I agree with what this guy said. I'm not a moron who's gonna say just because his video has high votes means all he said is right. That's not what I'm saying but before you say no one's gonna agree with me, look at the view count and votes ratio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THuA82rSn58
That's the open forum I'm taking about. I don't base things on forums or articles we try hard to look without anyone being in a discussion. If you're gonna say that this is an invalid source, I guess what common people has to say is invalid. And see? A lot of feminists don't wanna be called missandrists just like a lot of nice guys who don't want manipulative guys to be called nice guys. This is like clock work really.
When also I can give the real meaning of nice. Not manipulative. While the real meaning of feminism is the advocacy of women's rights not missandry, it's because feminism was used to be equal with men during the early patriarchal world and they still think we live in a patriarchal world as if men are still the aggressors never the victims even tho majority of homicides, suicides, homelessness, death and etc happens to men.
I can see what some of the others responding meant about salt. Try not to let yourself get too worked up mate, fighting fire with fire all the time and coming out the gate aggressive has to be tiring. As said earlier, retiring or using a more (strictly) accurate term would be cool, don't think it'll happen because of the insistence of the dodgy people using it themselves and you can't entirely blame the 'feminists' for it. Best of luck getting people to shift their use of the term though.
Yeah you're just gonna call common people responding to salt. This isn't fire with fire because I don't hate women like MGTOWs. I don't have women issues but I have moron issues.
There are some good points in your take but some of them are not right. However overall, I would say it is a good take.
You know that can mislead lots of people if people use "nice guys" ironically normally giving those mislead people the idea of guys who are actually nice as manipulative only acting nice.
Most guys that are labeled "nice guys" by their women and only nice guys to them. They are usually considered assholes by most other people they know. The nice guy is often just a role they play to keep the woman happy. It is not that the niceness is fake but more of a case of being very selective how they use it.
Then that is not a reason to call someone nice. Didn't you read the part when i said that there is a difference between being and acting nice? He's acting nice so he is fake and not really a nice guy. Simple as that. The ideology is just ruined.
I completely agree. It’s a bummer that some people don’t get that not all guys are out to manipulate.
Nice guy is code for creep because the nice guy routine is usually 90% of the time of a creep.
Then you can call them creep. What do you call guys who are actually nice and what about nice girls? They're creeps too ok.
That code name just really destroys the real meaning of nice. Would you go for the actions or words? You know action speaks louder than words. If he's acting nice then he's not nice. If he's being nice then he's nice. Simple as that and as if guys aren't exactly nice.
No it doesn't. Not at all.
And, I am pretty sure you knew that.
@MlleCake in 2019 it does
@MlleCake And hope you're happy with your women's issues only world.
Oh, if you ever talk to me much, you'll know that's not the least bit true.
Women's issues are certainly not the only thing going on. There's all kinds of systemic unfairness in this world.
But it's ok for us to discuss women's issues.
@Littlewife it certainly does not destroy the word "nice". That's taking it a bit too far.
@MlleCake I can back up my claims anytime you want me to. And yeah if you're talking about "unfairness" then count that code name of yours as injustice.
@MlleCake overtime words and phrases come to mean other things. 46 years ago when you said he's a gay man it meant he's a happy man, now it means he's a homosexual man. Nice guy meaning creep is no different.
Oh sure, absolutely call it injustice, call it pig vomit if you want.
Do you really think you can back-up the claim that it is somehow robbing the normal use of nice of it's definition?
@Littlewife Except nice guys is pointing to men specifically when that's an adjective use to describe anything. Ok lets just say if the teacher tells kids to be nice to eachother, does that mean they should be creeps to eachother? No because because they're kids. Why is men any difference? We're still human.
@MlleCake Sure you get my point and glad you know you are.
www.google.com/search I live in a real world.
www.google.com/search And this exists as well. Last I check, the dictionary never gave a homonym of nice.
You may not like it but it's 2019 and nice guy means creep.
Also are you saying men can't be nice because if they are, they aren't?
No that's not what it means. The dictionary still remains truthful and it's not made specifically for men only.
And if you're gonna say no body's gonna agree with me, check out the upvotes of this mytake.
Even if it's officially the meaning of nice guys, Lots of us still want the real ideology and willing to fight for it. And if you claim that that's officially, can you share me a 2019 dictionary that has nice guys in it? Oh and nice guys are 2 words that can be separated. So the teachers have been teaching kids in 2019 to be creeps all along is that?
I mean you can be talking about urban dictionary which twists people's mind. But can you search for them meaning of nice and guys separately?
urban dictionary reflects what people say in everyday life
"nice to meet you" that would be offensive these days now would it? I don't see people getting offended by that.
isn't there a whole thing about feminists claiming a guy saying hello is sexual harrassment?
Yeah there is and are we just gonna stand there and let it be? The whole point of this mytake is to stop the world from being delusional.
Language changes over time as does the world
Just because? And yes words change to a different word slightly relevant word. Evil is the opposite of nice. Not relevant.
And if you believe that the term nice really changed, Everybody would be offended by saying "nice to meet you" "nice work" "Be nice to each other"
The word isn't changing like that. No one would be confused about any of those unless someone were clearly saying it ironically.
@MlleCake You know I also see posts here about nice guys with no quotation mark and they describe them as evil. Why do you think that won't trigger actual nice guys here? You just go so use to guys not speaking up that you get so entitled to say whatever you want and meant what ever you meant.
Because from the context, you can tell that what we are referring to is a fake nice guy. You're not confused. No one is confused.
@MlleCake Like easily. No big deal if it comes to nice guys. That just means they're taken for granted.
@MlleCake your confusing nice guy with good guy
What do you call those guys again who are actually nice?
Good men, men with integrity, fantastic, excellent, decent, honorable, respectful - those are all phrases I use.
@LittleWife No one is claiming any greeting of hello is harassment. We are speaking of when we are approached with an aggressive sexual intent before we have even indicated we are willing to talk to the other person.
And an actual nice guy may still be called a nice guy. I really like men who are nice.
The ironic use of the term doesn't mean it doesn't also have it's original meaning.
@Littlewife 46 years ago homosexual men were already called gay.
@MlleCake yes around the time the word gay came to be code for homosexual. Queer is another word, fag too.
@MlleCake Those are the phrase you use and lets wait till those nice guys tm use those and you all still have to go with the flow.
You don't say?
Well, um... we'll call 'em as we see 'em.
@MlleCake I do say. That's why go with the real meaning of manipulative
@MlleCake Yeah you proved my point of entitlement again. Next time "Hi" means rape and no wonder why many feminists gets offended by it.
Once again, you fail to understand what people are saying about ways in which they get sexually harassed. The harassment is in the intent. The word "hi" itself is neutral.
@MlleCake Once again you fail to see that's a loud minority yet and just because it's a loud minority, that doesn't mean it don't happen.
@MlleCake Because you're all so entitled to give different meaning to whatever you want.
Yeah, everyone is entitled to come up with their own "slang".
I am not understanding what your statement about the loud minority is.
@MlleCake Happens loudly in some places. Not spreading yet. Sure you would say everyone as an excuse for women to do but I've seen any guys get demonized of mansplaining for it.
When you say everyone is entitled to make their own slang, That's still a minority.
Yeah, still not following you. Sorry.
@MlleCake Ok just be that way. I don't care. That's what people do if they're comfortable with their own knowledge.
No, I mean I am not understanding what you're saying is all. The second statement didn't make it clearer. I'm not trying to "be" any way. I just am confused by what you're referring to in both statements. I'd respond if I could figure out what you are talking about.
But it's late. I need to go to bed.
@MlleCake Sure go to bed. "When you say everyone is entitled to make their own slang, That's still a minority." Means everybody don't have their own different meanings for a word. No body means an apple is an orange or black means white. That only applies of entitled people who expects anyone to be mind readers. When you say you're fine means you're not. Ok cool I don't even have to try to debunk that. Just have to let them know that I don't mind them being straight forward and it doesn't take a genius to understand that.
Ohhh. Thank you. I see what you were saying.
You might want to look up the uses of the word bad and sick in slang.
But the other thing is, it was the not very nice guys who said they were nice who were using the word incorrectly. We are literally just quoting them. And the other thing is, you aren't actually confused by how the terminology is being used.
@MlleCake As I said I don't care about the other slangs because that has nothing to do with talking about someone else who has feelings. I don't care if you call an object or animal with different meaning. They can't comprehend anything but nice guys do.
We're not talking about nice guys - the real ones. But we've been over this. You already know. You're just repeating your feigned confusion.
And if you think you're one of the actual nice guys, you're smoking crack.
Again if you're not talking about the real nice guys then why can't you just say it as is? Why don't you just describe those creeps by how thay act? I explained to you a million times that that can offend guys who are actually nice. it doesn't offend them because they are but it offends them because they are a guy. Some guys dont care some guys do. Those guys with feelings in the fact that there are many guys agree with me here is because they just don't wanna speak up because of people like you.
And you know who is repeating as well? You with your nonsense explanation that doesn't matter.
Sorry but don't confuse good guys with nice guys.
Is being called nice an insult or a compliment? ↗ It's suppose to be a compliment.
Nice applies for girls but not for guys? I still have to say it's sexism tho even tho it exist. I know only if people don't use it sincerely it has to be a compliment but that misinterpret many people into thinking if guys are being (not acting) nice, they're creeps when we were all taught to be nice as kids.
The title nice guy means you are a creep.
No it's not official. The title nice means nice and describing guys.
Aka creeps
Aka not
Creeps are creeps
Or nice guys as they are otherwise known.
I still hear parents teaching their sons to be nice to each other. Like really I hear nice and to greet "nice to meet you" as a proper manner.
But not nice creepy guys.
sons are guys taught to be nice. And?
Forget about that. We should stop calling the demons that latch onto men and control them good women. They are nothing more than evil entities in this world on a secret mission to keep me lonely and deprived of love so that I'll go crazy.
When did people even call them? Or maybe you should stop calling the demons if that's your idea.
No. I will not keep the truth a secret.
They ARE demons.
That fact that you're a demon caller? Cool!
Then they are demons not nice guys. And yeah women like those exist too. a lot of them but they get away that easy
When people say nice guys they mean people who just act nice and are passive aggressive manipulators. Not actual guys who are nice. Lmao
It would be clear if they actually say guys who act nice instead of just saying nice guys. Does that mean that every sentence that make sense has their own different idea now? I'm going to say it's a beautiful day today and the sky is blue. That just means the sky is a potato.
And have you ever wonder why girls always ask questions about what guys normally do that isn't even gendered? Yeah because you women have your own meanings..
It's just easier to say to someone he's a nice guy instead of explaining it. I'm not the one that created the name or term but usually people know what that actually means.
There are better terms i said in my mytake. You can call them whatever you want. How hard is it to just call them creeps, evil, manipulate, fake, pathetic or anything? Why is it so easy to say nice girls without assuming she is evil? Saying nice guys meaning manipulative just like saying actual nice guys don't really exist and as if guys aren't really nice which is indeed sexism because it is for both genders to be nice
Hey, uh. Get over it. If you really don't get when we are talking about nice guys ironically, you aren't paying attention.
Any one of us can clarify what we mean if you ask.
This isn't a mystery.
And to be honest, it's not up to you.
@MlleCake You have a real need to control what people say and think. It seems to be a sickness with you.
@MlleCake What about you get over the fact that it's sexist to give that code name?
@BigJake No, I don't really. Say whatever you want, think whatever you want.
I really don't have any illusions I could control either.
I'm just telling the truth. It's an experience we have with some guys. We aren't condemning all men, or saying that there aren't women who do the same. It's just something that rose in the collective conscience in the past few years. We came to agree on the use of the term in some form. Not like we voted, but it instantly resonated with many people and it spread.
All of you guys assumptions about it are really not looking at the facts.
Heterosexual men do not have the experience of sexism. And we're allowed to not like men who behave in this way, discuss it, and give name to it.
@MlleCake "I'm just telling the truth. It's an experience we have with some guys." And are they nice? I don't think so. What if I told you, there are women who acts nice to get what they want but society rather ignores that because "women are just nice"
@MlleCake The "fact" is that you're mislabeling an entire group of people based on behaviors in which they do not actually engage. Nice guys don't manipulate girls in Machiavellian schemes to obtain sexual favors. Manipulators--players, in essence--manipulate girls in Machiavellian schemes to obtain sexual favors. The author is just pointing out the mistake you've made and how it's led to this notion among girls that there are no guys who are genuinely nice because they were raised by decent parents in a Christian home.
Nothing to get over. Heterosexual men do not experience sexism.
@BigJake No one is mislabeling them besides them. We know what we mean and you know what we mean. They label themselves as nice guys but aren't. We're just discussing an experience we have with certain men who are false.
@MlleCake uh. Tell that to guys I know who were raped by women but ignored because they have a penis...
@errorgoodnameunfound I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I find it abhorent. No one deserves to be treated that way. This just isn't about them right at the moment.
What do you mean heterosexual men don't experience sexism? That is another point of double standards feminist have for men. Women attacking men that's not sexism? Man hating is not sexism because you still believe that patriarchal fantasy world of yours we are living in?
First of all, characterizing all of feminism as attacking men or man-hating is false, and I'm not even going to get into that.
Heterosexual men may have experiences of gender related bias, sure. But that isn't necessarily sexism.
It's disingenuous for the dominant class to claim it suffers as the non-dominant classes do.
Sure, heterosexual men do have issues they face. Tons of them. But on balance, men are still the dominant class in much of the world.
You will certainly not agree with this article, but it explains the issue I am speaking of in a simple way: www.bustle.com/.../71400-6-reasons-men-can-literally-never-be-victims-of-sexism-and-those-who-think-they
@MlleCake We have thesame reason here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THuA82rSn58
And this. Look at how many people who agree with him. I'm not saying those upvotes means everything they say are right. That just means that there are people who agrees with him before you say no body agrees with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VucylLOs0Z8
Yeah, just a bunch of anti-feminist crap based on tons of things that aren't true.
@MlleCake I can't see any ratings of that article you give there when the video I shown is about debunking what feminism is.
You can't debunk what feminism is to me. I know way too much more about it than you do. I see errors in your thinking all over in your posts.
The article is editorial. You may feel differently about it than I do, and that's fine. You're welcome to your own opinion. You wanted to understand the point I was making so I gave you a little background.
@MlleCake "I see errors in your thinking all over in your posts." What if I say the same thing to you? You can't just say no body is gonna agree with me when that claim i backed up has many comments agreeing with him and up votes and downvotes ratio as well. If you really want to prove feminism is about equality then make an article yourself and send it to that guy.
@MlleCake "What feminism is to me" Not for everyone but for you. You have your own notion that everyone don't while you can see people in the comment section there brainstorming about it
I don't believe there is anything I could show you or tell you that would help you understand feminism as a movement, so convinced you are of your narrative. Upvotes, downvotes and follower comments don't really prove anything.
@MlleCake Don't prove anything when they are actual people behind the screens? Full denial right there.
All it proves is you have people that agree with you. I already know you do. It doesn't prove the veracity of your statements, or of your anti-feminist narrative.
@MlleCake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj3kSyJjedg&t=332s "Stop spreading your lies please" That's what she said. Skip at 5:33 for more logic and info
I fundamentally reject the anti-feminist rhetoric. There's no point in posting videos for me. I don't claim every feminist can perfectly state their concerns or argue logically.
@MlleCake You reject but we don't sorry to say and what are you gonna do about it?
@MlleCake Those statistics and data are facts he presented not feelings.
Well Aiko, what I am going to do about it is continue to engage in feminist activism and discourse, and work for a fair and just society.
One of the things I do is help people understand women's anatomy a bit more to reduce some of the negative ideas we have. I also help educate people about contraception, and other sexual health matters.
Whether they are factual or not, the anti-feminist trope is never based on an understanding of feminism as a whole.
Anyway, I'm off to bed now.
@MlleCake Well good luck with that and make your own article about it and spread it anywhere and see if people actually like it. Just because "women's anatomy a bit more to reduce some of the negative ideas we have" that doesn't make you less privileged. Why don't you check your own before justifying that?
In this world, men are generic and women are special. Why do you still need feminism for? Feminism which has the word female in it is opposite is MGTOW which has the word men in it. So there for if you say feminism is about equality, you're saying MGTOW is injustice? (Btw I'm not an MGTOW) Where's the middle ground? Isn't egalitarianism the middle ground and the real term for equality?
@BigJake Agreed. And I actually liked a few of her mytakes I think. She's quite big on this site and I thought she seemed pretty cool and clever, but now up close and personal, definitely showing her ugly side. Many celebrities do the same thing. From far away sweet and cool to chill with, yet up close shallow and snobby. And most ironic of all, she's the one thinking she can lecture us about HONESTY and FAKENESS. lolz.
Don't worry dude, she's getting a SHIT ton of backlash right now. Don't hold back and keep up the fight. Another thing to consider is her age. She's 46 and obviously quite cocky. She grew up going to high school in the 80's and 90's, when more money was made and more jobs were available. It was a more traditional time with a few things modern we have versions of today. I highly doubt she's able to emphasize ever enough with 20-30 yr olds and especially not if they are men. She rode on the back of the feminist movement and while stile reaping in the more traditional benefits to women when she was growing up. Is it any wonder why she thinks she has the ultimate answers for men yet her relationship status is "it's complicated"? If you've ever heard of "the wall" women get around age 50... well... this is all speculation... but if ya consider all this... it may make sense...
@errorgoodnameunfound I'm not saying she's shit or anything. Don't let me be involve with your trash talks.
Calm down dude, not gonna drag you into trash talking just because. But then again, if you don't get tough with people even if it means talking really trashy, they will walk all over you and then run away, which is exactly what many on here do. I'm the type of guy that while wanting to help women where I can, hence why I'm meaner cause it shows ACTUAL care, I also want men to be united in fighting to make sure we don't all get screwed over even more in the future. I'm pro humanity, so it means I'm a bit MGTOW yet also back feminism a bit too. They both have some common goals in many places and both have bigger enemies to fight than each other, like gold diggers, cheating assholes, divorce courts, economic stuff, and "pro-life"ers.
@errorgoodnameunfound Welp carry on but that's not how mature arguments work.
eh, given the fact that I'm a bit older, i think I know what I'm talking about. I worked hard hard to take your side when you got attacked dude. But if you're gonna be a bitch as much as Millie, then don't expect loyalty and respect from me or anyone. Maybe you are bitter and one of those fake nice types. I have no problem suggesting that if you're so willing to bite the hand that's trying to help ya out. by the way, you're also being a HUGE hypocrite. You're telling me to argue maturely and not trash talk, yet, your sources come from pseudo news like the daily mail and daily caller, and your video evidence to try and prove yourself right was a super immature mocking of people's comments.
Who said anything about it making me less privileged? I got hella White privilege.
And all sorts of other kinds. But you don't know fuck-all about it. Nor do you care.
I think that's why they put quotes on the term. It's a sarcastic thing. I don't think anyone thinks these guys are actually nice people
I'm nice to everyone and I don't expect anything in return. I like being nice because it's right.
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR LOL
no idea what you wrote just wanted to say this
Then good for you but what people who agree with me are still not gonna change their minds of what they think of you.
I agree with you lol
This post and all of your comments are just screaming NEVER GETTING A GIRLFRIEND
That's what people who are butthurt over someone who just spoke up has to say. Like they always assume stuff like that's an argument because they why? Do you just feel the need to without even explaining? How mature.
And for your information I don't have women issues but I have moron issues.
Or bitch issues would be appropriate.
It's just semantics, that's how it's turned out to be.
Yeah that misinterprets lots of people into thinking if a guy is being nice, he's manipulative because of it being used normally.
There are also other words to describe genuine niceness: polite, helpful, empathetic to name some.
Lets wait till what they so called "nice guys" to use those terms. I'm encouraging people to call them as is by their actions not what they claim themselves to be.
See, that's the problem. You can't control mass hysteria. The word 'nice' has a negative connotation to it, depending on whom you talk to or whether you like it. Also, the term is too vague - what do you mean 'nice'?
I wouldn't (seriously and not jokingly) call anyone anything if I didn't know them. They're not part of my life, so why would I care? Why would you care? If your intent is sincere, then you have nothing to worry about, do you?
I know I can't change the world alone but it doesn't hurt to speak up
But. But... 😞 okay. I'm sorry
At least you got my point. It's all right. Don't let that brainwash you again.
Yes sir. I was very foolish
No dont attack yourself. You're still 18 after all and everyone makes mistake. At least you learned that earlier than some people. I was really clueless at that age.
I don't know what's going on.. but I need a girlfriend.. but they kinda just play with me and I want something serious..
That gay guy looking at the girls knee like yip thats carpet burn I get it all the time
Well I don't see any gay guys around here.
A true nice guy isn't being nice to receive anything in return.
I said that in there
Damn. You're pretty salty in the comments. Still loved the take though.
Am I really or are they or maybe you? Because if I were salty, I would've trash talk everyone who I disagree with and don't respect them at all instead of giving them rhetorical explanation. One more point. A person who assumes "salty" are the ones who are because if they feel the need to assume, they feel tensed and when tensed, they're mad as if they're feeling scolded over something I just let out there.
Hahaha just let it slip :P
Sure thing. Let it slip until those people will get entitled of what they say as they get used to it.
Ooor understand not only your perspective exists and put your ego aside cause you will not always be right.
You shouldn't be heating any argument if you don't like it. Saying you will not always be right, when did i say i'm always right? Nobody has to agree with me i don't really care but that doesn't really stop me from saying anything. This is called freedom of speech and if you don't like it, why bother? People can say anything but if i response next crossing the line that i really need to put my ego down?
Also saying you're not always right dismiss arguments without giving me any of your reasons doesn't really make you truthful
Oooor they can disagree and they don't have to reason out. I would still ask them to elaborate but i won't force them to. Simple as that. I respect people who is comfortable with their own ignorance as long as they don't even bother heating up something.
Huh, ok sure, judginf by your replies in most comments I am sure all I can do is say ok.
@AndreasM96 Then you judge things poorly. Be better at it next time.
Or specifically to just people's responses.
Sure, and you're the center of the world, you're the only one who's ever right, be better at it next time, I'm sure you can top that :)
@AndreasM96 That sarcastic tactic. Everything I said is based on my understandings and lots of people too except for the data I presented. Being sarcastic doesn't really make me wrong. It just means that you're just trying to get the rise out of people. If you're saying I'm wrong, I challenge you to prove it.
LOL. I'm guilty of the first.
by the way, why you bullying that Cubster Shura girl?
Stop calling guys who are nice 'manipulative'.
You're only advising guys to be assholes
Or I'm advising people to call manipulative guys assholes.