Why Women Call You Creepy

[Idonthaveausername]

If someone called you a creep, chances are you deserved it

Women do not call guys creeps for being ugly--that is not a thing, so stop complaining about it. Girls call guys creeps if they are being creepy or otherwise making her feel uncomfortable. You may be creepy or exhibit creepy behavior without knowing it, but that doesn't make you any less a creep. If one girl calls you a creep, she may have been a one-off or the situation was sketchy, but if you've experienced a pattern of women calling you a creep, then that can only mean one thing: you're a creep

Before you go accusing women of being creeps, I will admit that is true. But women don't complain about being called creeps, so this is not targeted at them. Women who are creeps know they're creeps, and plenty of guys are into that, so they don't have to fear being rejected for it

Creepy behavior

Let's start off with some creepy behavior. In general, creepy behavior centers around unwanted sexual contact or desires. Even if you have no intentions of impressing such desires on a woman, she may still feel like the possibility of you doing so is a risk. If you don't want to be called a creep, then it is your responsibility to exhibit non-threatening behaviors

* Stalking -- Stalking is number one on the list. Stalking takes unrequited feelings to an excessive level and often ends with someone going to the hospital or jail. Ex-boyfriend stalking is not the only bad stalking. Even if you've never dated a girl, it is not okay to stalk her...This one is also illegal

Internet stalking is also creepy, especially if you're searching Instagram and Facebook for pictures to masturbate too. No wonder these girls call you a creep in real life. When you spend everynight obsessing and fantasizing about girls you have no relationship with, it ruins your ability to speak to them in person because they have not shared the same fantasies and emotions as you

Peeping Toms are creepy

* Staring -- An action that is often a key component of stalking, unwanted staring or prolonged eye contact can be considered creepy. When two people are interested in each other, eye contact is a good thing, but only if you are sure you like each other. If you are unsure whether a girl is interested in you or not, do not stare at her incessantly. Even if she is interested in you, staring at her for an hour from across the room without blinking or looking someplace else is creepy

* No means No -- I have actually had guys tell me "Sometimes no means yes" when I've told them no. So no, no always means no. Don't push it; if a girl rejects you, then drop it and leave her alone. If a girl has told you that she is not interested, then she is not interested. Oftentimes a girl will subtly tell you no using body language; if you are unsure how body language works, then you should read up on it because it's probably why you're coming off as a creep

There is more than one way to say no

Once you're in a relationship (or whatever it is people these days consider themselves to be in if they're just fooling around or afraid of commitment), you can still come off as a creep by not respecting her telling you to stop. If a girl is clear with you that she is not interested in you or something you want to do to her, and you push the issue, then you are a creep. This could refer to a girl whom you're on speaking terms with or hang in the same friend group or class with because she may be comfortable speaking to you as an acquaintance yet not want anything more than friendship. It is also creepy to push a romantic relationship onto a female friend who has told you multiple times she doesn't desire the same

* Crossing boundaries -- Similar to the one above, crossing boundaries of any kind is a huge problem. Something so much as leaning too close to a woman without giving her enough personal space (no less than 2 feet if she's a stranger) is creepy. Hugging a girl who isn't comfortable with hugging you (even in a friendly way above the shoulders) can still be creepy. If you are in a sketchy place (like a dark alley or empty parking lot at night), then give her 20-30 feet of space and never approach her car

Some girls will have more of a personal boundary than others and sometimes the situation will dictate their response. Approaching strangers in public is one of those things. Grocery stores are generally a non-risky place to meet someone, but going up to a girl at 4 AM in Walmart is not a good time. You should also gauge the situation before approaching a girl in a group with friends because they are often out to have fun, not meet people. If you are ever unsure, it is okay to approach, succinctly ask if she would potentially be interested in you, and then quickly leave if she declines. The key to any situation you're unsure of is leaving if she says no or tries to leave herself

Be careful with hugging women

* Social cues -- Probably the biggest issue with being creepy is not picking up on social cues or acting outside social expectations. This goes back to reading up on body language if you're unfamiliar with it. The most important social cue is when someone is not interested in you because many guys who are called creepy by women are also rejected as being creepy by other males who do not want to be their friends. So if you have a history of difficulty making friends with other kids your age, then you may need to study up on social cues to attract women as well. An example of missing social cues or expectations could be laughing when nobody else is or wearing pyjamas to school instead of proper clothing

This guy doesn't understand social cues and expectations

Yes the clothing you wear is an enormous factor is dating because wearing clothing that is not socially appropriate can definitely come off as creepy. For example, one time when I was at a club, this really tall old guy in a Michael Jackson white leather jacket and weird 80's haircut was there. Every girl thought he was creepy because he just didn't fit in. When the song "Thriller" came on and he started dancing like a maniac, everyone jumped out of the way. He tried to grab a girl to dance with him but nobody wanted to. This guy missed a ton of social cues...which is why he probably didn't have a friend to bring either. (He also only had one or two teeth in his mouth which wasn't creepy, but was pretty gross)

* Leagues -- Now I get that a lot of people don't agree with leagues being a thing, and many people can score a date or even marry someone outside their league, but this can be the main reason a girl calls you a creep. Your league is a compilation of your looks, intelligence, personality, financial status and ambition, culture, social awareness, and any other qualities that could make you more or less attractive. If you're hitting on a girl in the next league up, that won't be a big problem, but hitting on a pretty girl who is dressed well when you haven't showered in a month and have blood leaking through your jeans is extremely unsettling. Many guys confuse this with girls being shallow and calling guys ugly, but that's not the case. Maybe there is a better word for this one than "league," but the basic concept would be the same. Whenever a guy who is twice or three times my age hits on me, I get pretty creeped out. If you have a fear of being called a creep, test your odds at hitting on girls within your league rather than ones two or more leagues above

Some girls date below their league

Try not to be jealous of old rich guys who date hot young girls. Either they have a shallow, contractual relationship, or she has daddy issues. Just because a guy who is older or uglier than you can date a girl who is younger and hotter than a girl you think he should be dating, doesn't mean you could date the same caliber of woman. Personality is an enormous factor in dating as well as compatibility, so it doesn't matter what you look like. If you look like a troll but are otherwise a sweet, intelligent man who treats his woman well and can provide for her, you will do much better on the dating scene than an attractive man with a poor personality and no job. Since your league is a combination of all factors you, then try to go for a girl who is in a similar league with the combination of all factors her

* Bad humor -- Again, this ties in with everything else because someone who is adept at reading social cues and respects a woman's boundaries would understand not to bring up certain topics or jokes. Many guys make girls uncomfortable by suggestion, bad humor, and subject matter. Many jokes that other men would think are funny can really creep a woman out, such as joking about putting surveillance cameras in a girl's shower. Watching what you say when you're in female company can immensely help with being called creepy because just one off-beat comment early in your Freshman year can make your whole school label you a creep for 4 years

I would be creeped out by this guy

Cheesy pickup lines fit into this category. You have less than 5 seconds to make a first impression on someone, so don't waste it with something overly sexual or corny. The best way to approach a woman is to compliment her on something like her beautiful curly hair or say you think her platform boots are exciting. Simple subjects such as commenting on the weather or asking if someone knows where the molasses aisle is can be a non-threatening way to break the ice. Simply approaching a girl to talk is not creepy, so you can always start a conversation without making any implications of attraction just to gauge whether she is open to speaking with you or not

How not to be a creep

Once you understand the basics of being a creep, you can work at not being so creepy. Isn't that the point afterall? If you've been called a creep and don't want to improve, then you have nobody to blame but yourself. But once you're at the bottom, you can only go up from there

* Improve your looks -- For all of you who think you're being called a creep because you're ugly, that is a simple fix. I wrote a MyTake about that one a little while back, so you're more than welcome to start there. If looks is your main issue, then that is a simple and quick fix, and you'll have a girlfriend in no time flat

* Improve your personality -- Personality is probably your biggest factor here if you're looking to improve yourself. Griping and moaning is a bad attitude, so stop all of that complaining and focus on improving your life. If you're a young man with no direction in your life, you can start by studying Dr. Jordan Peterson's material (he has plenty of free videos on YouTube, but I've hear his book 12 Rules of Life is excellent). He may help you find purpose in life and change your belief system. That will, in turn, drastically change your personality and the things you decide to put effort into. Women are attracted to a man with personality and ambition in life, so that should be your first step

Maybe listen to this song or develop a taste in music

* Decide what you want -- Mapping out your life to a T isn't helpful because one wrong turn will make you feel like a failure, but deciding what you want in life is a crucial part of achieving it. If you want a stay-at-home wife, 2.5 kids, and a house with a white picket fence, then find a job that will financially support you and buy the house. Once you take the first step, all the rest will fall into place, and a woman fitting the description of what you want will appear in your life. Likewise, if you want a successful career-driven woman, then maybe try an online dating site. Not only is a man who knows what he wants more attractive, but he is also more likely to get it

* Talk to some girls -- One thing I've notice from guys on this site is they just don't know how to ask a girl out because they've never had a one-on-one conversation and never ask girls out. If you refuse to talk to women or practice it seldom, you will come off as a creep because you won't understand the social cues necessary in conversation with a female. So if that's something you struggle with, then try asking a sibling or cousin if you can hang out with them and their female friends or start with female cashiers and waitresses. You don't necessarily have to ask them out, but becoming familiar with female conversation will not harm you when it comes to being creepy

Smile and be pleasant

* Respect women -- If you respect women, then you will not be called a creep. If you make an effort to make women feel safe when they're around you, then you will not be a creep. Considering that respect is the most important thing in a long-term relationship, respect is a prerequisite to not being creepy. Once you get that part down, you won't have a problem with anything else

[Kaazsz]

This is how I see it:

I picture society as if we are chimpanzees, highly
Complex ones.

95% of female chimpanzees will be in the “in” group. The highest ranking males mate with the females. Maybe that’s the top 20-50% of males.

The other 50% do not reproduce. Because they are low ranking males, females are not interested in them.

These “out group” males do not learn the social norms of the in group males.

Females judge a males attractiveness by his status, and his status is determined by his competency.

Low ranking males are not given the opportunity to become competent. Because of this, the in group females will never find them desirable (tho beta male chimps do get sneaky lays sometimes lol.)

The only option for the majority of low ranking males to reproduce is through rape. A few can get sneaky lays but rape is the only real option for most.

Females evolved a defense mechanism against rape. That defense mechanism is the creepy factor.

Women are creeped out by men who display out group behaviors. Those behaviors are exactly this:

Not aligning with accepted social protocol.

Out group males cannot align themselves with social protocol. It is not instinct it must be learned. They are denied the ability to learn.

Many men in human society are out group men. We never got to learn the social skills needed to understand and attract women.

The solution for us men who have been labeled creepy:

Just say fuck it, go out, and talk to and hit on women repeatedly until you figure it out. It’s literally our only option. Don’t accept that you’re somehow a creep by nature. You are not. You simply lack experience with females. Your ONLY option is to force yourself to get experience. It’s extremely hard but it is what it is.

[Idonthaveausername]

Yes! I'm not normally a fan of monkey analogies, but since being a creep is a primitive behavior, I approve this one. That's the point I briefly mentioned about creeps often being rejected by other males for friendship. Nice answer

[dropsofjupiter2006]

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[Kaazsz]

@dropsofjupiter2006 lime disease oh no! That sounds horrible was it from a tick?

I liked your name when I read it, so you got a good first impression going I suppose.

[dropsofjupiter2006]

what r u wearing

[Snakeyes7]

Ah. It's kinda like the logic loop of trying to go for a job that requires 10 years of experience even though you are like, 21. You need experience to get a job but the only way you can get experience is to get a job but you can't because you need experience and so on. Thankfully, there are entry level jobs but they pay less than a livable wage but they are needed in order to have a job that allows you to have a livable wage.

[Dchrls78104]

To all Incels and some men in my country: heed!

[Felinegirl]

To all the guys STILL saying women call guys creeps for being ugly: that is just so not true. As an ugly guy you might be less lucky in the dating scene. And handsome guys get away with creepy behaviour way more often. However, no man is ugly enough to be a creep by default.

A tip I'd like to add to this mytake, following the social cues-part: if you are struggling with being seen as a creep, what helps immensely is to start by making female friends. Do not try to date the girls, that is not the purpose. This approach has two benefits:
1. you build up social skills and learn how to interact more comfortably with women. You'll learn to understand them and they might teach you what you need to be more attractive.
2. Once you have female friends who see you as a nice person, your creep reputation starts to disappear. They may tell their friends what an awesome person you are, and suddenly there are more girls willing to talk to you.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

You say that handsome guys get away with creepy behaviour, but then say being ugly isn't a factor in being called a creep. Isn't that a contradiction if looks you just said looks at making a difference?

[Felinegirl]

@AllThatSweetJazz I said: ugly looks don't make you a creep. Creepy behaviour makes you a creep. BUT if a handsome and an ugly guy are both acting creepy, the ugly one gets seen as creepy slightly sooner. As long as your behaviour is good though, looks don't matter.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

"good" behaviour is relative though. It's not some objective set of rules and to exacerbate the problem, behaviour expected of men is necessarily pressed right up against the boundary of creepy and it's really a roll of the dice as to whether on a particular day with a particular woman if you're going to be well received or seen as creepy. Furthermore, when you're doing things that skirt the ever-shifting line that margin that come with being attractive could make all the difference. If he's ugly then he's more likely to stir discomfort, even if it's the mildest thing and not quite creepy, well the next thing he does is going to be even farther down that slippery slope.

[Felinegirl]

@AllThatSweetJazz well if a hot woman burps guys find it cool, if an ugly woman does it it's nasty. Goes both ways. But if you're a genuinely good guy, nobody will find you creepy, regardless of looks. If you often find yourself crossing peoples lines, stop blaming them or your looks and read the mytake we're commenting on.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Even if that's true, a burp is *nothing* compared to the social malign of "creep." There is not universal "good guy" behaviour, all interaction has risks associated with it and that's why make guys opt of it; because there's no rulebook, you're just rolling a dice, not just for the outcome but for what's at stake.

You have to take the leap at some point, make the approach, cross the touch barrier, escalate. Men shoulder practically all the risks and expectations and it's done to cater to women's comfort even with minor things where there's no problem other that she just doesn't want to do it, e. g approaching, asking a guy out. They refuse to do it, this railroads guys into doing it and dealing with the risk that comes with it.

Some of this stuff is just absurd to rea, d like "Grocery stores are generally a non-risky place" who chats someone up in a grocery store, that to me is strange and inappropriate. Or give women a 20-30 foot radius, even in particular situation. Can you even imagine being told you need to do that? Now that really is incredibly rude, so what about my comfort? But things like that make me uncomfortable. What a ludicrous thing to ask of society; that people curve around you like peasants parting for nobility. This is an example of where the damage is hers and I'm not responsible for catering to whatever exceptional demand she needs for comfort.

I've never been called a creep and I don't find myself crossing any lines, but I just assume that there's people that *feel* that I have at some point. The *only* way forward is to just accept that other people will sometimes feel this way and let them deal with their damage.

[Investigator]

Oh boy, there's A LOT to unpack in this post.

1. Stalking.

This is the only one that falls under "definitively creepy" and also is the only one that really has some kind of objective criteria to it. If a guy is tailing a girl for long stretches, even when she goes out of her way to change course, then that is creepy and potentially dangerous as well.

2. Social cues

Staring, "No Means No", Cross Boundaries all fall under "social cues" and also are much more subjective, given the range of variables. For example, staring. How long is too long? If you're obviously looking at someone for extended periods of time without interruption, that is staring. However, looking at someone for any length of time they don't like also falls under staring.

"No means no" is one of those difficult ones to nail down; there used to be an assumption that, when a couple are engaged in flirty banter, "no means no" actually meant "yes but first certain conditions have to be met", i. e. "the yes that hasn't come yet" or that "no" is part of the foreplay. Now, given that we live in post-#MeToo era, that is definitely not true anymore (if ever it was) or men should certainly act as if it were if they don't want to catch a case.

Social cues is weird. Women want men to approach them (I assume) and men want to approach, but we're getting to a point where it isn't clear what is and is not acceptable. One woman could find the mere act of a man being in her proximity violating and make a big fuss about it while another might not be bothered at all, yet men have to treat both situations as if there is some universal, unspoken logic about women that applies equally to both and they are at fault for "not getting it". Also, I have a problem with the picture of the guy used in the "social cues" picture: the captions say things like "Long fingers", "a peculiar smile", "bags under his eyes", etc., but then you look at his appearance as a whole and it becomes rather obvious that "unkept" is just code for "ugly". He isn't creepy because he "dresses odd", he is creepy because he is not aesthetically-pleasing. In fact, I'd wager that this guy's appearance is a lot of women's definition of creepy. No amount of fashion changes is going to make women find this guy attractive. Adding "leagues", i. e. hierarchies of attraction, wasn't necessary. It was pretty clear with the "social cues" guy where you were going and this category effectively cements that train of thought.

Honestly, you could have cut this post down to just "stalking", "social faux pas" and "attractiveness", because that's what you wrote here. If we agree that "yes, stalking is generally creepy, regardless of attraction", then we can get to the real points being addressed, which are "be socially-calibrated and hot". You can disagree with me all you want about how reductive this statement is, but trying to deny such attributes are the primary contributors to creepiness is basically gaslighting. Every guy with eyes and ears can see and hear what is plainly evident: if a woman doesn't find you attractive in the moment, you are creepy. Everything else is secondary and/or miscellaneous. It's that simple.

[MrOracle]

You are being VERY disingenuous if you don't realize that LOTS of women call guys creeps just because they aren't attracted to them.

My weekend job is being a mobile DJ, so I go to a LOT of parties, and I see a lot of male-female interaction.

A hot guy can say and do things that would get an average guy arrested and most girls will smile and laugh and follow him around. But many average guys can simply introduce himself or offer to buy her a drink and get shouted down as a creep.

Now, there are plenty of ACTUAL creeps - I see those too and they are cringe worthy, but I think if you spent a week in a guy's shoes, you would have a very different opinion than the one you started with here.

You make a lot of good points otherwise, but you can't deny that a lot of women really abuse the creep label, and often in especially cruel ways.

[Idonthaveausername]

Most of the time when those girls use the word "creep," it's because they're not intelligent enough to explain why they find that guy creepy. If it were just based on looks, those shallow bitches would just call him "ugly" and not resort to a word like "creep". You can't know for sure why a girl rejected a guy unless you're her

[FýrdracaDócincel]

A lot of the time girls are afraid to use words like "creepy" because they think the guy will try to kill them for the insult.

So they resort to "creepy."

[TonyBologna25]

"If someone called you a creep, chances are you deserved it

Women do not call guys creeps for being ugly--that is not a thing, so stop complaining about it."

___

I disagree. I tried to mentor a friend in college with girls, and I saw a side of women that was really disgusting. He's was an average looking guy with good social skills and was very intelligent. He was also pretty traditional and believed in chivalry. I got him on tinder, and got him to approach on campus. Not only was he rejected by a lot of girls on campus, but he was insulted by a lot of them as well just for attempting. He tried to display chivalry and was just overall very respectful, and it got noted off as creepy. It was kind of eye opening, because I had no issues with women and I wasn't chivalrous at all. I was an arrogant steroid using bodybuilder. A lot of younger girls these days throw around the word creepy simply when they see guys that act nice and chivalrous or if they're simply not attracted. It literally happens all the time. Your opinion on this matter doesn't really change what's actually happening. It's just your anecdotal opinion.

[Idonthaveausername]

No it is not just an anecdotal opinion. I have had plenty of men grope me or follow me home from gas stations or try to kidnap me. Men are creeps when they act a certain way. And if they act like that to me, they're acting like that to ther women as well

Your friend came off in a way that women didn't like. I don't know him, so I can't tell you what it was. But he was most likely disingenuous. Hitting on lots of girls is disingenuous. He needs to find one girl he truly cares about

[TonyBologna25]

Again, that’s your personal experience and it surely doesn’t define everyone else’s lol. My friend does have a girlfriend now and it worked out. He’s just fine. He’s just very traditional.

[Idonthaveausername]

You clearly don't know what an anecdotal experience is. That means it only happened once. I have met many more than one creep in my life and all of these situations I mentioned happened more than once. Therefore, that is a pattern and no longer an anecdotal experience

[TonyBologna25]

Anecdotal as in you’re one person with one opinion.

[Idonthaveausername]

But I'm not. I speak for many girls who have experienced the same things and come to the same conclusion

[TonyBologna25]

I'm around a lot of women too and have seen something completely different. But I'm not the one claiming that my personal experience is to be deemed as absolute truth in regards to the rest of the world. That's nonsensical.

[Idonthaveausername]

Your experience is different because you're Male. This is a female perspective. My experience is true in regards to the rest of the world because my experience is a result of the world

[TonyBologna25]

My fiance who I was with for four years would completely disagree. We have even talked about creep shaming and slut shaming before. My sister who's a little older than me would disagree with you. The girls I dated in college would call random guys that I knew creepy just because they were unattractive or were overtly nice to their standards. But again, I'm not deeming my experience as universal truth lol. That's exactly what you're doing and that's flawed thinking. Are there girls who use the word creep appropriately when it's contextually fitting? Sure. Are there girls out there who call nice guys and unattractive guys creepy just because they're nice or unattractive? Absolutely.

[Idonthaveausername]

Every girl has a reason for calling a guy a creep. If he sees a pattern of it, then he is creep. If you read MyTake, you'll see where I mentioned that. I put it at the beginning so it was easy to see

[TonyBologna25]

It’s not contextually fitting or appropriately used a lot. I’ve seen girls call a really nice guy creepy just because he’s unattractive. But I again, am not deeming that to be a universal truth as if all girls don’t use the word when it’s not warranted. I’m saying both sides exist and you’re sort of trying to tell me only your aide exists.

[Idonthaveausername]

If a guy is really nice, then a girl will not call him creepy. A girl will not call a guy creepy for being ugly because she would just call him ugly. So no, that doesn't exist

Women guys creepy because their behavior is unsettling

[TonyBologna25]

It actually does exist though and that’s my point lol. Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative, doesn’t mean it simply does not exist. This stuff happens quite often.

[Idonthaveausername]

No it doesn't. Women always have a reason for calling a guy a creep rather than just him being ugly. Either he looks like a creep or acts like a creep. If he's just plain ugly, she'll just call him ugly

[TonyBologna25]

Okay dude lol. I guess it doesn’t happen since you say it doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

It's not really just being ugly, I don't think people really say that, and it's not just making someone uncomfortable. It's being ugly and making them comfortable. That's why it's stated that handsome guys would get away with many things less attractive guys would.

But on that note, I didn't see anything about interpretation. Many things women call creepy can just as easily be her issue. That's the thing about social cues and all that stuff, it's subjective and fluid, but we only give priority to women's interpretation of events: If he made her feel comfortable then he *must* be in the wrong for some reason -- as if you're entitled to go through life completely immune to any discomfort.

Sorry but I can't take you seriously when I don't see you having any understand of alternative interpretations and being on the other side of that. It's not even like the advice is completely wrong it's just sort of ignorant, close-minded and rude. I also have a problem with people speaking with any kind of authority of the social realm, when really it's something fluid and messy, you don't actually get to know what other people are thinking or feeling, so making assumptions about the specific nature of things inherently subjective just irks me.

[Thatsamazing]

While I think there's a lot of good content in here, especially about respect and feelings of safety, I disagree with your underlying premise of why females call males "creepy"-- they usually use the word creepy because it makes them feel powerful and they like looking down on guys that they aren't attracted to, because it makes THEM feel more attractive. I believe that is a powerful factor not being considered here. That is what I have seen in conversations I hear amongst girls I know personally.

[Idonthaveausername]

The power factor is different than what you think it is. Since men are bigger and more muscular than women, we are at a disadvantage if a creep follows us to our car at night. It's that power dynamic that makes us call a guy a creep

[Thatsamazing]

Okay... sure, that would be a logical thing to be concerned about, sure. But again, I have seen online hundreds of times, and even in person dozens of times, girls don't just refer to guys that way in that context, or even for remotely aimed at that reason. A lot of the time they just refer to guys as creeps or creepy basically just to do it, because they think it's funny or something or makes them feel superior. It's no different than when a guy (or another girl) calls a girl a slut when he has no evidence even remotely that she is, or may be, a slut-- he/she does it in order to feel superior and powerful. When I said "it makes them feel powerful," what I perhaps should have said instead is "it makes them feel superior," because that's what I really meant.

[Anonymous]

You know what I found out? Some guys chat online (in real time) with girls and while we're innocently chatting with the guy, they masturbate. I thought guys did that to porn (as one needs at least one hand to type with 😄 ) but I guess they use the "hunt and peck" method while typing and use the other hand for masturbating. 😝

They start out being complementary (the usual practice for seducing a woman) and we think: "Oh, this is a nice boy/man." They often portray themselves as vulnerable/innocent:
"I'm lonely"
"It's so hard to find a nice girl like you"
"I'm a virgin", etc. to further "reel us in".
And then when the online conversation starts, so does the masturbating. (I've been told this method applies to telephone chats as well.)

[bailey11]

It's because of the interaction with a real live living person. The next best thing to being with an actual person. Porn, even videos, are a poor substitute for a real person.

[Anonymous]

The most important factor from this list is looks (that's more important for girls but also equally important for guys) and money (most important for guys) .
Studies have shown that good-looking people are treated better than ugly people because of the halo effect. Good-looking people can get away with a lot of behavior that are socially unacceptable for unattractive/average people

Being shy/quiet is one of them
If you're pretty, you're cute, sweet and a good person. If you're ugly, you're a weirdo, awkward, boring person and with no life and possibly, even crazy.

That's really unfair so I try to treat all people equal

[Mir95]

Why anon?

[i1T2daty]

Though I wouldn’t disagree with most of your list, you seem to have neglected -or it’s discounted as unimportant- the cultivation of an inner life that includes wisdom, an understanding of historical, cultural, perspective that has too little space for humility, ecstasy, or compassion. Without a grasp of those along with other similar traits of a cultivated inner life, you are left with the equivalent of Barbie & Ken dolls.

[Idonthaveausername]

If I included all of that, I would've ran out of characters lol. But I do agree that's important as well

[Mir95]

A lot of women don't want anything to do with men they think undesirable and sometimes creepy is another way of saying undesirable. The thing is some shallow women don't even want to spend a second talking with or dealing with an undesirable guy, even if he's just trying to ask for directions.

[Idonthaveausername]

Yup. And that's where the confusion comes in. They don't use the right word, so guys misconstrue what they're trying to imply

[BeMuse]

I didn’t read that but I’ll just assume it’s bullshit based on the title and that distance image. For example I’ve touched a women on the shoulder from behind that I’ve never met and said something funny and they giggled and were flirty and we had a good conversation. I don’t think everyone can get away with that nor do I think I can get away with it with every women. People react differently to different people. There is definitely a lot of prejudice in first impressions and a lot of a first impression is based on physical appearance. If you think think someone is scary or repulsive you might feel uncomfortable if they are walking on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street just zoned out stairing into the distance while they walk home from work or something. Creepy is all in your head, based on your own judgments.

[Idonthaveausername]

I didn't read your comment but I'll assume it's bullshit based on your rudeness and myopic mind

[BeMuse]

I don’t care. You’re trash anyway.

[Anonymous]

"If someone called you a creep, chances are you deserved it"

I didn't read beyond that ^^ first statement because it s so overwhelmingly false. Guys are the ones who have to approach girls if they ever want to get a date, and in today's climate most girls will call any guy who approaches them who they find unattractive a "creep". It is the most overused term in the dating world today, and "creep shaming" is a huge problem.

And it has literally NOTHING to do with respecting women. I think the problem here has a lot more to do with women disrespecting men and having no compassion or empathy for the position women put men in.

[Opinion Owner]

Yep, I read it. It's a giant load of cringe worthy bullshit.

The very next statement is "Women do not call guys creeps for being ugly--that is not a thing, so stop complaining about it.", which is 100% crap, like the rest of it. It's all dishonest, disingenuous, self-important female crap, spewed by a girl who claims to be 23 but sounds like she's 15.

Grow up.

[Opinion Owner]

As I said, I read it and you are wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

As I've already said, I did read it. And as many others have pointed out, your MyTake is a load of gynocentric, self-centered crap. Grow the fuck up.

[Opinion Owner]

It took me a minute or so to stop laughing after reading your latest reply before I could type anything. I'm not going to spend any more time on you since you are clearly delusional but I will say that you are indeed very gynocentric and self-centered, and very dishonest. You're in fact too dishonest to recognize it in yourself. One need read no further than the very first two sentences of your BS MyTake to see that. But sadly women like you don't change, and so are not worth the time of day.

Cheers.

[Robertcw]

Isn’t this all just a long way of saying non-conformists make you uncomfortable?

I think creep should be translated into the phrase ‘made me uncomfortable.’

So, ‘he made me feel uncomfortable.’

Although I do find it mildly funny how even the slightest bit of discomfort can set off alarm bells. It’s like, okay, you can’t handle being uncomfortable? (That’s what I’m thinking anyway).

But yeah, whatever.

I have long since suspected that being a non-conformist sabatoges opportunities with women. I find it ridiculous that dressing differently disqualifies people.

[Idonthaveausername]

No. My boyfriend is a non-comformist and I'm fine with that. But he makes every effort for me to feel safe and secure, therefore he's not creepy

The definition of a creep is "Someone who causes a feeling of fear or unease". So yes, making a girl feel uncomfortable is creeping her out, by definition

You can think it's ridiculous or the greatest thing since sliced bread, but your opinion on it won't change what does or doesn't qualify as creepy. If you're fine with being called a creep, then I guess you wouldn't have a problem. What I'm pointing out here is that guys who complain about being called a creep need to understand why they're being called such

[Robertcw]

Well that makes sense. But don’t you think you should grow up a little and learn that not everyone is going to make you feel comfortable?

Yeah so someone offended you, okay, fuck them. No need to flip out and lose your marbles about mild discomfort. I think women should learn how to move on rather than get so worked up on this concept.

But that’s good to know that being non-conformist Isn’t an immediate death sentence.

[Idonthaveausername]

I am mature enough to different between making someone comfortable and making someone uneasy. Fear and unease are independent of comfort. From my standpoint, it is the guys who get worked up about it, not women. We don't call you creeps to offend you; we call you creeps because something about you or your body language makes us fearful or uneasy

So yes, making someone uncomfortable can be creepy, but not always. I can make you uncomfortable by bringing up a crush you have, but that isn't necessarily creepy. Kind of like how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square; creeping a girl out makes her feel uncomfortable, but making a girl feel uncomfortable isn't creepy

[Robertcw]

I see. Fear or unease is slightly more serious and dramatic than discomfort.

[hellacray]

I wasn't called a creep, but I was given a wtf stare when I asked a girl out.

And I would consider myself to be weirdly fun. Cause hey I want to be myself.

But it's because women seem to get creeped out easily that I usually refrain from asking them out. Unless I think she's really cute.

[bailey11]

Well that's a given. The problem with a lot of guys is: they only ask cute girls out. If girls you ask out aren't considered cute, they may wonder why you're asking them out because maybe they don't get asked out a lot.
If more guys asked out a women whether she was cute or not, it might not be so foreign to the girl and you wouldn't get a wtf stare. Just sayin'.

[hellacray]

Are you stupid? You do realize I'm talking about strangers right?

Why would I ask a girl out that I don't find attractive?

I mean if I have no standards I might as well ask out every girl I see.

That totally won't be creepy at all.

[PeterB1517]

Hellacray, why such a fucking offensive reply. "Are you stupid?" Check yourself man

[Randomawkwardness]

I do take looks into account when it comes to whether I find someone creepy or not. Over texting, sending really weird pictures and finding my profile on other social media within a day of talking is what I consider to be creepy.

[Anonymous]

Eh? I’m sorry but this to me sounds like you’re vilifying men and trying to put women above men by assuming all men are creepy by default. We are not some uncivilized savages you know. And besides there are plenty of creepy women out there.

But don’t feel bad, scapegoating men seems to be the modus operandi for a lot of you millennial women. Yet you wonder why many men are starting to distance themselves from women. www.google.com/.../

Look, if you think every guy is a potential creep, then I’m afraid you are better off dating women. No disrespect intended. Also, correct me if I’m wrong weren’t you the one who called men the “uglier sex” in a different post?

[Idonthaveausername]

Every man does have the potential to be a creep. Those who respect women and our boundaries choose not to be one

It is a scientific fact that women are more attractive than men

[Opinion Owner]

@Idonthaveausername Those are your opinions not facts. What you are saying is nothing more than pseudoscience promoted by feminist biased sources.

First of all, if all men were “potential creeps” then men and women wouldn’t be allowed to freely mingle unless they are in the same family. With your logic, all women are potential gold diggers.

Secondly, to say that it is a “scientifically proven fact that women are more attractive than men” is a delusion. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that indicates that women are more attractive than men. And yes I know you are going to pull up some feminist article to try “prove” your claims but in reality men are the more attractive sex. Think about it. men don’t need make up, men can develop stronger looking bodies and men age better. Here’s a picture of Scarlett Johansson without makeup.

[Dchrls78104]

@OpinionOwner women are and will always be more attractive to men. At least to me! 😂 If I ever find men more attractive than women, something serious is definitely wrong with me!

[Opinion Owner]

@Dchrls78104 That’s because you and I are straight, it’s normal for us straight men to find women to be more attractive than men. It doesn’t make sense for “straight” women to find other women to be better looking than men though. If a straight woman claims that women are better looking, then that means she’s not as straight as she claims to be.

[Idonthaveausername]

Women are more attractive than men. Attractive couples are more likely to give birth to girls and ugly couples are more likely to give birth to boys, therefore more women inherit attractive genes than men. There's no opinion there. That is a scientific fact

And it is also a fact that I'm not a Feminist, not even remotely close. I'm a registered Republican who voted for Trump

[Opinion Owner]

Again there is no study that indicates that women are more attractive than men, let alone with that kind of correlation.

[Opinion Owner]

If women truly were the more attractive sex then most women would be lesbians.

[Idonthaveausername]

Yes there is. I have read the study myself. Denying it foolishly won't change anything

Because women don't care about looks. We're not attracted to men solely on what they look like. We're attracted to them based on what they can do for us and how they make you feel. If women cared more about looks, then we would all be lesbians

[Opinion Owner]

@Idonthaveausername And how do you know one study is definite proof? How do you know this study is actually credible?

Also, how do you know how every other woman thinks, you think that just because you don’t care about looks, that other women are just like you? Are you really that egotistical that you feel that you can speak for the millions of women in the world?

“If women cared about looks than we would all be lesbians” yeah, no straight woman would actually say that. If you need a refresher just read my first reply again where I linked a picture of Scarlett Johansson.

By the way, there have been numerous of studies that contradict your claims that women don’t care about Looks. www.google.com/.../...r-more-than-personality.html

[Idonthaveausername]

There have been numerous studies that men care more about looks far more than women. Even women who claim to be as visual as men have been proven to not be as visual as men scientifically. That is a fact. There is no ego in facts

Yes women would be lesbians if we cared more about looks. There's no reason to date men if you only sleep with someone based on looks. Women are more attractive and hygienic than men. Men have created that by dating and sleeping with and marrying the women they view to be most attractive. Men will not marry women they find unattractive, but women will marry men they find unattractive

Yes I am more qualified to speak on behalf of women than you. You have zero qualifications

[Opinion Owner]

Name these “numerous studies” you speak of. Because as I’ve said, there are numerous studies that also contradict your claims.

“Women are more hygienic and attractive than men.” You are merely expressing opinions not facts. Are you familiar with the just because fallacy, because your whole reply is such a fallacy.

You are exhibiting signs of something known as “demisexuality” by claiming that looks don’t mean much to you. And I don’t mean that to be offensive, I’m just making an observation.

[Idonthaveausername]

www.psychologytoday.com/.../women-are-more-beautiful-men

This article has links to two studies that show women are more attractive than men because attractive couple have more girls and unattractive couples have more boys

www.sciencedaily.com/.../040316072953.htm

"The fMRI scans revealed significantly higher levels of activation in the amygdala, which controls emotion and motivation, in the brains of the male subjects compared to the females, despite the fact that both males and females expressed similar subjective assessments of their levels of arousal after viewing the images."

Therefore women who self-report that they're equally aroused by visual stimulus as men scientifically aren't

www.theguardian.com/.../...encequestions.evolution

"Personality had a much greater effect on women's perception of good looks than men. "It's quite remarkable how little women are influenced by physical looks. All men should pay attention to this. It's much more important to be a valuable social partner than worry about your physical looks," says Wilson."

Therefore a woman will find you more attractive if she likes your personality despite you being ugly or average. And the woman who negatively rates an average looking guy based on him being a jerk is exactly my point of this MyTake that your personality and the way you treat a woman is much more important than your objective attractiveness

[Opinion Owner]

I hate to break it to you but those studies are outdated and have been contradicted by newer studies. One of which I’ve already linked in a previous reply.

I knew you were going to link that article from psychology today a website that has questionable reliability. You claim that women are more attractive than men but you are only speaking on averages.

Try some newer studies
1.) https://www. google. com/amp/s/www. lehmiller. com/blog/2013/9/13/sex-question-friday-are-men-more-visually-aroused-than-women%3fformat=amp

2.) www.womenshealthmag.com/.../

If a woman only cares about personality then why they date men if they aren’t aroused by their bodies. I surely would never date a woman that only likes my personality.

[Idonthaveausername]

It hasn't been contradicted. Women are more attractive than men. Choosing to believe otherwise is just silly. Men value female beauty above all else, therefore they pick beautiful partners. Men have bred women to be more beautiful than them

If you type in the words "pretty " or "beautiful " into a search engine, you will only see women. That is because women set the precedent for what is beautiful because women are the fairer sex (meaning men are the uglier sex)

Women who are attractive are also more likely to want children than less attractive women, so more of the children being born are born to attractive women. This means female beauty will increase while Male attractiveness will with stagnate or slightly increase while the female population grows at a higher rate

I'm not going to bother linking anything more since you're not interested in a real discussion anyway, and would rather believe woe-is-me incel BS

It's really annoying how you all go with "women aren't aroused by men" when a woman says that we care more about personality. We aren't blind. Wo do like being attracted to a man, but his personality is far more important to the point where we will not be attracted to their bodies if they have poor personalities. It's not an all-or-nothing thing, so stop wining about it

[Opinion Owner]

The word “pretty” is used to refer to feminine beauty while the word “handsome” is used to refer to masculine beauty. Beauty can be used to refer to both males and females

Also, I don’t think you realize just how much emphasis our society puts on female beauty. There are many cultures that valued male beauty over female beauty. Examples: the ancient Greeks, Romans and the US during the 1980s and 1990s. Just look at Arnold Schwarzenegger’s movies from those decades.

[Idonthaveausername]

The word "handsome" can also be used to refer to women. Until recently, it was commonly used for women. If you type "handsome " into a search engine, you will see results for attractive women and men

Society puts an emphasis on female beauty because women are more attractive than men. It really is that simple

[Opinion Owner]

Correction. Handsome is also used to refer to butch (masculine) women like Ruby Rose. While pretty is also used to refer to feminine men like the K pop guys.

You beat around the bush by not acknowledging that some cultures have considered men to be better looking than women. Look at some of the art from Nazi Germany, a lot of their statues are of scantly clad muscular men.

[Idonthaveausername]

No I don't. The Nazis believed men to be superior to women, not more beautiful. Displaying more skin was to display muscle (strength), not beauty. Men will never be as beautiful as women

Girls do not refer to Kpop guys as pretty. They are cute because they're young boys

[Opinion Owner]

And whoever said that physical signs of strength can’t be beautiful? I don’t know what kind of women you aren’t hanging around with but most of the women I know personally, consider men to be more pleasing to eyes than women. There’s a reason why many women say that men are a “different kind of beautiful”, it’s apples and oranges.

Why do you think many women talk about all the physical traits they like seeing on men? Examples: big forearms, strong hands, broad shoulders, broad backs, 6 packs, chiseled facial structures etc. Straight women naturally like the looks of those masculine physical features on men.

When people say that “women aren’t as visual as men” they mean that women have more control over their lustful thoughts than men, not that they can’t find men to be “hot”. The reason being that the female brain is programmed to be able to multi task, at least on average.

And yes, there are many women who call K pop stars “pretty”. Cute can be used to describe either men or women, it’s gender neutral.

[Idonthaveausername]

Physical signa of strength aren't beautiful. They are attractive due to the abilities they represent. Same with men who have strong forearms and 6pack abs. They're attractive due to the strength and ability they represent. They are not beautiful

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Men are more visual than women. Their brains are triggered more by sexual imagery than female brains. Even women who self-report they're as visual as men are proven to experience less sexual arousal than men through brain scans and genital stimulation. Men are more visual than women. Women are auditory. It is how our brains work

Women don't call boys pretty. Even Kpop stars are cute

[Opinion Owner]

A lot of women have called masculine physical traits “beautiful”. It’s just that it’s a different type of beauty that only straight women and gay men can appreciate. Why do you think many women check out men albeit subtly? Why do you think many women like it when a physically attractive man takes off his shirt? Why do you think women constantly post articles online explaining that they are visual? I’ve already linked a article in a previous reply that talks about a study that indicates that looks matter more to women than originally thought. By the way, have you ever heard the saying “men age like wine and women age like milk”?

“Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Men are more visual than women. Their brains are triggered more by sexual imagery than female brains” Again, you are only speaking for yourself, you personally may feel indifference to the male body but you can’t speak for the rest of the women that consider themselves straight. I can guarantee you that if you went on stage in front of 80,000 other straight women and said the same things you are saying, you’d get boos, food thrown at you, jeers and overall angry responses from your audience because you are generalizing an entire sex as having the same personality as you.

I’m not trying to vilify or offend you but the sociological term for how you personally perceive the male body is known as demisexuality. That means that you can be straight but you need a emotional connection before you can feel attracted to a man.

[Idonthaveausername]

Nope. There are plenty of studies that prove women are not as visual as men. Women who post online or even claim that they are as visual as men have been proven to scientifically not be as visual as men. Not sure why they make those claims, but they're false and have no scientific basis. They're simply wrong

Women check men out to survey how well of a potential match they would be. Women don't check men out the same way men check women out. Men can get boners while checking women out. Women don't get wet from checking men out. There is a huge difference

I'm not claiming women have the same personality as me. I'm explaining to you the difference in our biology. Men and women just physically are not the same. Continuing to convince yourself that women are visual is a delusion and not healthy for you

[Opinion Owner]

Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps those so called “scientific studies” are wrong? You seem to be at a loss for words when explaining why women constantly claim to be visual.

Surveying for a match is also why men check out women, but the difference is that men search for signs of fertility and nurturing capabilities in women, while women search for signs of strength and protection in men. But those are primal instincts, instead we just call it eye candy. By the way, there’s an entire Facebook page for women tilted “lady boners” that posts pictures of physically attractive men. You should see all the nsfw stuff women comment on there.

It’s ironic how you claim I’m “delusional” when you keep resorting to the appeal to authority fallacy to justify your questionable claims that women aren’t visual. The one error people make when citing “science” as a source, is not acknowledging that there’s always the possibility of there being new discoveries when it comes to the unknown.

[Idonthaveausername]

No I am not at a loss for words. Women who claim to he as visual as men are proven by legitimate scientific studies to not react as much physical to sexual imagery as men. You seem to be incapable of comprehending that. Men are more visual than women. Women who claim otherwise are either intentionally lying or unaware of the vast difference between Male and female biology

[Opinion Owner]

With that logic, men shouldn’t worry about their physical appearance.

[Idonthaveausername]

No. They shouldn't. They should care about how they present themselves

[Opinion Owner]

Why should they? If according to you, women don’t value looks.

[Idonthaveausername]

I never said women don't value looks. I don't know where you're getting that from

[Opinion Owner]

You’re joking right? This whole conversation is about you claiming that women women aren’t visual when it comes to attraction and how you adamantly say that women are hotter than men. Let me quote you.

“Because women don't care about looks. We're not attracted to men solely on what they look like. We're attracted to them based on what they can do for us and how they make you feel. If women cared more about looks, then we would all be lesbians”

[Idonthaveausername]

I am not joking. There is a difference between saying women are not turned on visually and saying women don't care about the way you present yourself. If you're going to take my words and twist them into something I didn't say, that's on you. If your brain lacks the capacity to understand, that's on you, because I've explained it to you many different ways now

[Opinion Owner]

How does presenting oneself in regards to physical appearance differ from visual attraction? It doesn’t make sense. To me it sounds like you are admitting that women actually are visual in a way.

The only reasons why you keep claiming that women aren’t visual are because you believe you can somehow speak for all women and because you don’t truly know how the male brain works. You, like many women like to think you have men all figured out but there’s so much you will never understand about men. If you truly understood how the male brain works, you would realize that when it comes to attraction, the male and female brain react in similar ways.

You probably assume that men instantly get aroused by the sight of an attractive women, well that’s a myth, most guys acknowledge a woman’s physical attractiveness but don’t automatically experience arousal.

Another thing you probably assume is that since you are incapable of finding men to be physically attractive, that all women share that same trait as you. That’s wrong on so many levels. Many women have expressed their sexual attraction towards the male body, and yes some even experienced sexual arousal from the sight of an attractive man. Have you ever heard the expressions from women “my ovaries exploded” or “lady boner”? Those are ways for a woman to express their sexual attraction towards men they consider attractive.

Also there are many women who even consider the male body to be more pleasing to the eyes than the female body. There are many female artists who even wish they could draw the male body but it’s far more complex than the “simple” female body.

[Idonthaveausername]

And there it is! You, like all the other guys on this site, refuse to admit that the way you present yourself is the problem. Women don't care about looks. Go get a haircut, take a shower, put on a suit, and start respecting women. Be a decent human being rather than a wining, self-deprecating jerk and all your problems will be fixed

[Idonthaveausername]

As I've stated before. Womsn who claim to be visual are scientifically not turned on by visual imagery the way men are. So no matter what women (or mostly Male trolls pretending to be women online) claim, women will never be visual

As a matter of fact, I am attracted to my boyfriend and I do think he is physically attractive, but I don't get horny just by looking at him. I got to know his wonderful personality first and we discussed relationship compatible before we knew what the other looked like. So no, looks don't matter

[Opinion Owner]

“As I've stated before. Woman who claim to be visual are scientifically not turned on by visual imagery the way men are.“ There’s always new things being discovered, mainstream scientists today may think they have all the answers but 25 years from now, they’ll be considered cavemen. Not to mention that pseudoscience and biases can corrupt data.

First you said “I never said women don't value looks. I don't know where you're getting that from.”

And then you contradicted yourself by saying “Women don't care about looks. Go get a haircut, take a shower, put on a suit, and start respecting women.” Yet you expect me to take your word as a credible source?

No offense intended but to me it seems that you are using pseudo intellectualism to give the impression that you know more than you actually know. I’m not calling you stupid but I do think you should do more research before discussing Complex topics. That’s just some advice.

By the way, respect is a two way street, your sex alone does not make you entitled to respect. If you want respect from men, you’ve got to give respect in return. Men are human beings too, not a bunch of primates.

[Idonthaveausername]

Women aren't as visual as men. That's a scientific fact that has been proven several times over. There is no pseudoscience involved. Both brain scans and genital stimulation back this up. Women can even orgasm without touching themselves, but men can't

No women don't care what you look like. Your facial features don't matter. What women value is how you present yourself, how you look to the world. So yes, go shave, take a shower, get a haircut, and lose weight

I have done plenty of research on the topic, therefore I know exactly what I'm talking about. You're blatantly denying facts because you don't want to accept the biological differences between men and women

I don't expect respect from you because you can't even respect facts and science

[Opinion Owner]

Do you know what a “confirmation bias” is?

[Idonthaveausername]

Yes. I also know that brain scans show that men and women biologically have different brains

My boyfriend and I also discuss these differences between men and women. Funny that my boyfriend gets turned on just by watching me stretch when there's nothing sexual about it. I prefer romantic actions, kissing, and whispering things into my ear. That's not confirmation bias. We were like that before scientists discovered men and women get turned on differently

Why do you think the majority of men watch porn and the majority of women don't? If women were as visual as men, there would be no discrepancy there

[Opinion Owner]

Whoever said women don’t watch porn? You probably don’t but you can’t speak for every woman out there when statistics show otherwise.

[Idonthaveausername]

Women don't watch porn nearly as much as men. If you can't accept that, go read PornHub's statistics on it

[Opinion Owner]

The point is they still watch porn and the statistics that I linked show that women primarily watch “porn for women” while more women from the Philippines watch porn than women from 19 other countries.

[Idonthaveausername]

Some women watch porn and some men dont watch porn, but those numbers are few. Go ask PornHub if you're confused. The vast majority of mem watch porn while the vast majority of women don't

[Opinion Owner]

That’s the not the point. The point is that the it’s “on average” and it isn’t universal.

[Idonthaveausername]

On average, men watch porn. On average, women don't watch porn

[Opinion Owner]

The point is women still watch porn even if the number of women is lower than the number of men.

[Idonthaveausername]

By that logic, men don't watch porn, and people are decent. Clearly that logic is flawed

So no. On average women don't watch porn, but men do, therefore men watch porn, but women don't. That is the correct conclusion

[Opinion Owner]

That makes no sense at all. The point is that you can’t judge everyone as being the same. Each person has different tastes.

[Idonthaveausername]

It doesn't make sense because it's bad logic, so stop using bad logic

The vast majority of men watch porn while the vast majority of women don't. That isn't a taste thing. It boils down to biology of men being visually sexually aroused while women are not

[Opinion Owner]

Then how do you explain the few women that do watch porn? Do you think they are abominations?

[Kaneki05]

When a person calls me a creep i reply "i am not a creep i am creepy there is a difference".

Tbh i don't get how so much men can be creeps, but they are it annoys me when i get a message from a guy thinking i am girl and they have bad English most of the time and send weird comments.

[esotericstory]

Your advice rests on the premises that a man must go out of his way (literally 20 to 30 feet) to not make a woman feel uncomfortable. Instead, he should make her feel safe. I will politely decline this advice. I see no benefit in changing myself according to the terms set by women. That's being called a doormat, and that's worse than a creep if you ask me.

[Idonthaveausername]

Commenting on all of my previous MyTakes is not "politely declining" anything. Grow up

Yes you need to make women feel safe. That is your job as a male

[esotericstory]

lol no. I decide which woman will enjoy my protection! Not women.

[Idonthaveausername]

Then you deserve to be called a creep

[esotericstory]

I rather get called a creep by weak women, than think of myself as a doormat.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Wow look at that personal space. Why wouldn't it be creepy if it was vise versa? I mean girls who go near me and even touch me I can't even complain because it's "normal". And what about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSnWGs_siqw

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Notice how everyone stopped talking or glaring at that guy when he slapped her for being a "creep"?

[Idonthaveausername]

Please read MyTake before commenting. Any literate person will be able to see where I addressed that issue

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I did read but your only focusing that issue if it's women. What about vise versa?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

This is like an idea of "men can never be the victims" and women can call them creeps when ever they want. Yeah because we can get accused of incels for saying something. So there may be incels out there who are obviously creeps but whines when they get called creeps, what about women like her in the vid? Yeah that dude is an incel right for just doing what she did? I thought feminism want equality.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And I love how you just assume anyone who don't agree with you not reading your my take. And if you're wondering why some guys don't approach anymore, you can't always blame them.

[Idonthaveausername]

I don't wonder why some guys don't approach. K fully understand it's because they weak-minded and pathetic with no ambition in life topped off with crippling anxiety. They're the bottom of the barrel and no women want to date them. The rest of guys who are decent human beings and know how to talk to women still date plenty of us

I know you didn't read MyTake if you're making comments about issues I already addressed

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"Weak minded" also its not because they experienced bitches a lot being called creeps for just approaching? Women like those exists too. Your point? You can just say it's all our fault like we're creeps if we approach but weak minded if we don't without even looking at the problem of your own gender. You're almost proving the point of feminists having double standards for men. Yeah you know but for your information i did read. Only i disagreed with some of what you said so don't assume anything.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"If you get called a creep, chances are you deserve it" they're also chances with don't deserve it and?

[Idonthaveausername]

If you read MyTake, you'll see where I addressed that point. There are times when it may be a one-off, but if you experience a pattern of girls calling you creepy, then you're a creep. If you read it as you claim, you would've seen it at the very beginning. Your comments are a waste

[Aiko_E_Lara]

As your mytake being one sided, why can't I address that there are female creeps and women who just calls men creeps even if he's unaware or just simply existing without being called a waste? You think this is all about women don't you?

[Idonthaveausername]

Because I already addressed that issue

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And why can't I repeat what you "addressed" since what you addressed got blended in with your one sided drama? I just wanna make things clear. Why not?

[Idonthaveausername]

It's redundant and unnecessary. I mentioned that so people like you wouldn't have to bother

This is site devoted to one-sided issues and, being a girl, I only have the female's side to explain. The only thing dramatic is all these wining loser guys complaining about being ugly

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Isn't what you're talking about redundant and satire? Yes this site is devoted to one sided issues and i can do that as well. Why not? I can say whatever i want as you can see whatever you want and if it's not necessary then why don't you start thinking about your own my take being unnecessary and why can't i say anything without being called unnecessary? You're proving the double standards again. Also the only thing i am saying is those narcissistic girls who thinks every guys are creeps. What is the problem?

[Idonthaveausername]

The point is to have a discussion. Bringing up a point I addressed as a non-issue for this discussion is redundant and unnecessary. Please read MyTake before commenting

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"Bringing up a point I addressed" You know you don't have to heat anything if you think it's unnecessary right? I'm a highlight to that "point" you were talking about.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Elaborating more on the male side as you elaborated more on your female side. Again why am I unnecessary? What about your mytake? Double standards once again.

[Idonthaveausername]

It's unnecessary because it's not the subject. The subject was about men creeping out women. If you want to talk about women creeping out men, then start your own thread. This isn't the place for it and you're not going to get anywhere with ir

[Aiko_E_Lara]

This isn't a place to address that. This isn't a place to address. And really? Who do you think you are? I can see things whatever and whenever i want it's called freedom of speech. You can ignore me if you don't want it but there are always people who would still go with what i say. It is unnecessary in your subjective matter and if it's unnecessary, why are you still talking to me?

[Idonthaveausername]

Who do I think I am? I'm the girl who started this thread. I stated at the beginning that this isn't the place for that topic, therefore it is not. It is quite unnecessary. I correct people who post incorrect or rude opinions on my threads. Don't think you're special

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"It is quite unnecessary" This is like clock work really and as for the girl who started this thread. Don't think you're special because you don't like what I said.

[Idonthaveausername]

If you don't like my answer, then don't ask the quest. If you don't like my subject, don't comment on my thread

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I never said I didn't. How ever I can still response because I have the rights to speak up. More like if you don't like my response, don't respond. Just asking a question for anyone else to response and no one has to. You chose to come here tho.

[Idonthaveausername]

I'm not saying you don't have a right to respond. I'm saying your response isn't necessarily because I already mentioned why it isn't. Your response is wrong and I am correcting you

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Same with your response saying it's unnecessary and of course you don't realize how you sound.

[Idonthaveausername]

My response is necessary to encourage you to respond to topics in an appropriate manner

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And that would make my comment necessary then. You think it's inappropriate and what about your my take? Before you call someone's comment "inappropriate" why don't you start with yourself?

[Idonthaveausername]

MyTake was necessarily because many guys on this site are misguided as to why women call them creeps

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Just like many women who called creeps for no reason. Just like many women are feminists even though we don't live in a patriarchal world anymore demonizing men

[Idonthaveausername]

Women don't call guys creeps for no reason. Women call guys creeps because they are creepy

Most women are not Feminists and most Feminists don't demonize men

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If that's your notion then guys aren't creep for no reason. *shrugs* The only reason why were creeps is because you say so.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

The double standards indeed. "Women don't call men creeps for no reason" What about that vid? What about the empirical data showing women attacking men https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuRTS9oFGwc What about the ratings of this video before you say no body agrees with me?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And what about this showing girls being creeps while getting away with it? You don't wanna hear stories about them because you don't wanna believe it anyways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uccExOPMrI It's only fake if girls do it. Why? Because read this article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh right. We're creeps if we say something to a girl she didn't like and called "cat calling" can't justify if it's because of our hormones but girls often slap and touch their boyfriends or any guy and can get away with it because they're on their periods. So you don't wanna hear this because it's "unnecessary" Lol you can say you're not a feminist but action speaks louder than words. They give double standards like what you do.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"Women don't call guys creeps for no reason." So all guys who do have sex are creeps then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y1AZ1b4fNA There for guys don't accuse women of calling them creeps for no reason.

[Idonthaveausername]

Lol no. I'm not even close to being a Feminist. I'm a registered Republican and I voted for Trump. All you silly Incels just can't handle being held accountable for your actions, so you resort to calling me a Feminist. Classic mistake. Please read my views before insulting me

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And see? You're just gonna call us incels while giving us double standards the whole time. You say you're not a feminist but you demonstrate what feminists do. This is basically like asking if you like facebook but you answered no but I like twitter. And the asker complains about how irrelevant or unnecessary that was because you are because you weren't talking about twitter. Responding with a different topic that falls under the same category is a common thing people use to socialize also a conversation booster. You must be living under a rock with no friends if you're so ignorant about the situation. And second of all, just because you don't like my respond doesn't automatically make it irrelevant. So it's ok for you to make mytakes like that but when I respond, you're gonna complain about how "irrelevant" I am. That shows the double standards right there.

[Idonthaveausername]

There is no double standard because I clearly wrote in the beginning of MyTake that your response would even irrelevant. Please read MyTake before commenting

I am a registered Republican. I am not and never will be a Feminist

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh my you're still back for more? "There is no double standard" Action speaks louder than words just like feminists saying it's about equality "Please read MyTake before commenting" Yes I did read but I can also say please read my comment before responding.

[Idonthaveausername]

Back? From vacation, yes. I prefer to spend my vacation with my loved ones (my perfect boyfriend) rather than butthurt, self-loathing, ignoramus trolls on the internet. So if I'm back, that's what I'm back from

I read your comment and responded accordingly. You clearly didn't read what I wrote

Your actions are the same as Feminists'. You're going around insulting the opposite gender and trying to accuse us of thing and doing things opposite of what we are and bringing up issues that have already been drug through the mud

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Lol if I'm so "butthurt" why are you here? If you're gonna assume I'm butthurt then I can say thesame thing about you being butt hurt about my opinion. Let me summarize this. You give reason why women call us creepy. I gave reason why they call us creepy for no reason. Chances are we deserve it, chances are we don't. Simple as that. And you're just gonna dismiss argument by calling me butthurt lol. Do you realize how you sound? Because if you're gonna call me "unnecessary" then you don't have to make a mytake if you don't want opinions like this because it gets you butthurt. Simples

[Idonthaveausername]

I'm here because you need someone to correct you. Spreading misinformation and trolling is not acceptable behavior. You need to be taught a lesson

Chances are guys deserve to be called creepy because guys get called creepy for being creepy because many guys exhibit creepy behavior

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And i'm here to correct you that i am not rolling and i'm just giving my opinions. Accuse me of trolling and i can accuse you of trolling because of your might take. Also chances are girls called guys creepy for no reason. Oh it's not ok to say that because i've made a point. You're not the only one who made a point around here.

[goaded]

If your first reaction to seeing a woman is "I wonder if she'll sleep with me?", you're going to come across as creepy. They can pick it up a mile away. Concentrate on something else.

[bailey11]

But do you still feel that way?
Men wouldn't like it if a woman's first reaction to seeing a man is "I wonder how rich he is?" Women don't like to be thought of as "I wonder if she's f*ckable?" which a lot of guys do think.

[goaded]

@bailey11 I don't feel that way any more. Once you've been with a few women and got over the "putting them on a pedestal" phase, you realise that they are just people who are just as likely to disappoint you as are to disappoint them. What you're looking for is someone you can get along with without pretending to be someone you're not (even if you both have to make adjustments).

[HereIbe]

So, you're saying that licking a girl's eyeball isn't just another way to say "Hello."?

[Idonthaveausername]

ROFLMAO! Absolutely not. But you get a point because I actually just had a conversation with my boyfriend how licking eyeballs would be weird