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I was once reading a full book about 'real men'.
Each chapter dealt with a specific 'male' feature or interest and explained in detail what a real man is supposed to do, feel or think.
The last chapter was very short. It said something like ''... REAL men - under no circumstances will ever accept to be TOLD what to do, feel or think :D
YOUR expectations are reasonable and could be accepted, except for ONE thing:
if I personally will EVER be forced to wear a necktie, ... I'll prefer to be an unreal man.
I don't like men in suits & ties (I prefer guys who wear casual clothes).
and I can protect myself (I practice martial arts).
Auto work is not that important (We can always call auto mechanic to repair the car).
I work and make my own money, I don't need a provider (I'm not a gold digger).
The only thing we both agree on is - I like men who are monogamous.
If only society could keep it's mind made up on masculinity, what it means to be a man, and what it wants from men (where he can, so to speak, earn his reward of a wife, 2.5 kids, a white picket fence and a dog). But alas, we have multiple, entire generations of men and boys now who do not/will not fit these 5 components of a male gender role. In the postmodern developed world, not only is this gender role you've displayed here outdated, it's now unrealistic and could even be considered misandric, depending on what you consider misogynistic.
its*
I heard women say they wanted to live their lives while they were young, meaning that some of them just fucked around. #monogamy
**...(where he can [apply what he knows about manhood to] so to speak earn his reward of a wife, 2.5 kids, a white picket fence and a dog)**
@scooogy Yes many women do that, whether it's through cheating or serial dating. I would say being monogamous is the easiest and most basic thing you can do to be lovable in whatever you gender role or sexual philosophy you find yourself having. But so many women and men find that too hard.
@Lightning8 last night I had a female co-worker tell me (she was drunk) that she didn't call me by my first name because her same-named ex-boyfriend was a bastard. Funny thing here is that not only that she admitted that they didn't even have "proper sex" like she said, but it even took her 3-4 attempts to recall the guys she slept with.
Unrealistic for a guy to work and change a tire👍 if I couldn't do all those things I might be able to take you guys more serious in the complaining
@scooogy what I will say is that, for women, when all they need to do is dress "sexy" and take a seat in a public or private setting, and they'll usually have about half of the opposite sex in the room instantly want to talk with her as if she were a celebrity. Having a luxury like that can make it incredibly easy to act when she inevitably feels bored of a monogamous relationship that she may be in, instead of working through it with the partner she already has.
@Lightning8 thus I think that, as portrayed in "Two and a half men", women seem to easily burst out like "I have a right for happiness", just because seemingly their hormones make it hard for them to bear with what we all have to face in our lives.
@Wowgirl30q Using tools and devices, women can do a lot of things men can. A man or woman could just youtube how to fix virtually anything if need be. With that said, it intuitively becomes arbitrary the more we pick and choose which activity is masculine or feminine. Though paradixically and to your point, in the most egalitarian countries the gender gap between professions dominated by women and those dominated by men are the widest gaps in the world.
@Wowgirl30q but my point in case you missed it was that men and boys aren't raised to learn and value what you consider masculine, because the society their raised in has no cohesive structure for manhood nor a cohesive idea of what it means to be a man.
[many] men and boys
@scoogy It can be complicated for women. To your point, something as simple and common as birth control can drastically shift her hormones to the point that she experiences a change in who she is even attracted to.
I can do all and am all of those things except for being a provider.
unless you're talking about providing love.
cause I don't have money, but I got a huge heart
Haha I'm I fell short o 1 too
Anyone can cut wood or bus a table including me. Love is important as well but it doesn't pay bills
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This is YOUR idea of real men of today, real men of the past may have had some of these characteristics. But I feel like people are all about hooking up and fucking each other with no attachment whatsoever. Why talk about marriage and kids when many people of today don't even want to get married or have kids. Yes, a guy should be assertive, yes he should know how to work around things in life. I'm not good at cars just basic stuff but that doesn't make me any less of a man. That's like saying, if a girl I date can't cook she's not really a girl who has good womanly traits, that's ludicrous then.
Well that's a pretty low bar set, cuz I cover all of the above... But in contrast, what exactly do you think are the basics a woman should provide or be able to do in order to be considered a "Real Woman?"
Or would you suggest that women shouldn't be put in such a position to have some basic stereotypical traits because it's sexist?
Right I can do all of those too
*Amused*
I think you hit a nerve with the one for monogamy for a good number of the guys on here.
Seriously, loyalty in a relationship isn't hard if you actually love someone, if you can't keep yourself from going after others, then you're probably not really in love in the first place.
5 things a REAL WOMAN should do
1. Cook 2. Clean and do the laundry and vacuum 3. Stay loyal and faithful no branch swinging/monkey branching 4. Raise children 5. Dress without looking like a slut or like they just crawled out of bed 6. Have manners and NOT be rude or disrespectful or mean 7. Take responsibility for their actions 8. Not be big fat slobs and keep in shape 9. Quit the constant bitching and nagging 10. Quit looking for egoboosts and shoulders to cry on from emotional tampon men
Lol this one is totally true I especially agree with 3,5,6,7, and 9
I m not sure if any woman can quit on nagging and bitching honestly but i agree on the rest
Nothing wrong with men being masculine. There is some truth to what you say however it would seem there are very few women up to job... Also, this a very simplistic sexist viewpoint... it's like saying that women should stay in the kitchen and just be a baby making factory on demand... There's way more too it than that!!!
Thank god someone realises how sexist a viewpoint this is!
Luckily my man ticks all those qualities listed above. Whenever he's in his uniform (suit & tie basically) I can't help thinking how handsome he looks in them ❤️
Sounds like a great guy for a great girl...
I'm 23 and people think I am mentally challenged person when I say that I wish I was born when suits were normal everyday wear 😏 I feel 400% more confident in a suit or classy shirt than in casual clothes people wear. Class is casual for me. I was born in the wrong age and now society hates me for it 🤷♂️
How abour being able to protect himself and his loved ones from GOVERNMENT?
That would fall into protector I would think. Good point
Like protecting from taxes.
Well you had me almost agreeing. Sorry, but WTF does knowing anything about cars have to do with a relationship? esp nowadays where everything is computerized. I happen to know how to replace breaks, but not much else. That is why you pay others to do it. However, I can put a computer together from a bunch of parts if I had to. Can a car mechanic do that?
Only if the "real woman" knows her place, does what he says, and doesn't question his authority on anything. :)
If she doesn't want to do that then she shouldn't have the same old style expectations of him either. Unless she is a hypocrite, which I am certain is the case.
There are several things I don’t like about article.
1. Modern women aren’t Disney Princesses that need to be rescued! We don’t need (or want) a protector! Particularly a man who uses his fists to solve problems. A ‘real man’ (I hate this term) will keep his cool under pressure and remove himself from dangerous situations, rather than stay and fight pointless fights.
2. These things are also things, a woman should know how to do! We are no longer damsels in distress!
You would be surprised that many women want all these stuffs
Also there are times where you just have to use your fists
I find it ironic how a woman is telling a man how he should behave or what he should do to be considered a "real man". Shouldn't women be protectors too? Shouldn't we strive to provide for our families? Shouldn't we be able to change a tire? Takes like this are honestly pathetic and incredibly toxic. Let men be whatever they want, don't enforcer your archaic views on them
Aah finally you a girl said it. You can see the hypocrisy
Well, maybe.
Be a protector? Nah; buy a gun and learn to use it.
Be a provider? Nope. Get a job.
Own a suit? That's just wrong.
Auto repair? How about YOU learn about firing order, etc?
Monogamy? Not part of God's plan.
I'm for equality, period. If one can physically and mentally perform a task, gender should not enter the equation. Equal pay for all; something they haven't learned in the USA.
Equal pay isn't possible unless everyone starts on the same day, has the same education, same experience and negotiates for the same starting pay and raises. If this isn't possible (and it really, really isn't) you'll have people of both genders doing the same job making a different wage.
Real women should
1) Know how to make a sandwich, especially when you least expect it.
2) Find all your jokes hilarious
3) Not speak so much as single women do.
4) Give a man time alone or to be with his friends
5) Say what they want, instead of relying on men's non-existent psychic abilities.
Protection: I do box and used to be a black belt in karate years back. I can definitely pack a punch if there's no way out. So check.
Providing ability: Getting a pretty okay income so should be fine. Check.
Suit and tie: Check
Auto basics: Check. I used to get scolded for reeking of engine oil when I was a kid lol.
Monogamy: It's my plan all along though I haven't gotten a girl to experience it with yet
We call : Old fashioned gentlemen ... We still around, i do all what you mentioned in the list and even more. Wish you could see the satisfied look on my wife's face, but at the same time the times has changed and so does people. Many adults (men and women) can't even cook for them selves now days, seeing my self capable to take care of me and my family makes me feel good and i like it, that makes me want to do more.