Bitter Incel Rage

[WowwGirl]

Bitter Incel Rage

Incels Today

The Incels exist today primarily as an online subculture. They are full of Bitter Incel Rage, espousing male supremacy and committing acts of violence and hate against people who seem to have an easier time finding love and acceptance then they do, mainly from women.

They are bitter, cranky, violent virgin's, that blame vaginas or (lack of vagina) for all their life problems. Gross!

Elliot Rodger

In 2014, Elliot Rodger killed seven people and injured 14 others in Isla Vista, California, striking back at those who would not permit him into their social circles. In a series of videos and a 141-page manifesto,

Elliot Rodger blamed popular young women for "his loneliness and the fact that he was still a virgin. Omg, are you kidding me?🤣🤣🤣nothing to do with him being a loser or having poor me syndrome.

In his writing, Rodger described himself as “the supreme gentleman” and fantasized about his retribution for the perceived wrongs that he suffered at the hands of popular and beautiful people.

He wanted revenge also from all the women he had been rejected by or felt rejected by, throughout his life.

Incel Slang

This a perfect example of an Incel Mr. Rodger's is as a whole. He is an example of one to the point that his names is now used by Incel culture, as some slang word to promote some kinda Sideways Weirdo Incel Power. A Chad is anouther weird slang word used by Incels.

( What the ✓uck is A Chad??? )

Today actually Elliot Rodger is not simply the name of a notorious mass murderer; No, No, No in the language of freak Incels, it is also a verb, as in “the guy went Elliot Rodger” or “Pulled a E.R on somebody".

So, basically he went bitter, bat shit, vagina hating, virgin crazy on somebody. If the Incels had a leader or a founder it would probably have been Elliot Rodger.

Beware The Angry Losers

​Recently designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The first instances of Incel-inspired violence date back nearly three decades, today’s Incel community has become more extremist and violent through cross-population with other online hate groups.

Dorky or Dangerous

Left unchecked, angry isolated Incels will remain in the margins of mainstream society, smoldering with resentment against those who have denied them the affection and satisfaction they feel they deserve.

Conclusion

Look out for the Weirdo Incel hate group people, crawling around online. We all know that Incels are among us all the time. They are alone /lonely, untouched/horny, and pissed off/bitchy. Look out for or should I say Beware their Bitter Incel Rage...

Thanks for reading everyone,,,,and please remember that,,,,,

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[btbc92]

To tell you the truth, I felt sorry for Roger as I have seen what such women do to men and some guys who do the same to me. I feel that people really need to stop bullying others and hurting them for being different. It just sounds like to me by him being a sensitive person he snapped and gone mentally ill. I believe he said that the girls mocked him, and that drove him to do what he did. I don't believe anybody owes anybody sex, etc. But people chose premarital sex instead of doing it God's way. Women sleep with whoever they want, many whom are unfaithful. The trash guys who don't believe in that, and then it breaks down into two types of guys like girls:

1. The ones who learn that it's not their fault all the time about how they are treated.
2. The one who becomes like him and goes on a rage of revenge.

One thing I can agree with some of them is the hypocrite of people. I have seen it, and it's disgusting. The society is to blame I'm afraid. Not always them. Nobody asked to be born. Nobody asked to be asking for love, nobody asked to be without family, friends, parents. Nobody asked to be bullied, raped, abused, etc. Nobody. And yet we do. I will not say what they do is right. A crime is a crime. But the biggest crime is those who take pleasure in hurting others who didn't ask to be hurt. The world tells you we need sex, porn, etc. We do it. Those who can't are seen as the scourge of society. That's why I trust the Bible more than I trust people. And here is my message to both sexes about such people, as I got crapped on all my life equally. Just thank God I didn't snap like they did:

Ladies: Be NICE to men. You don't have to have sex with them. You don't have to date them. You don't have to even be friends if you're not comfortable. But it gives you no RIGHT to mock them. Bully them, Harrass them, or play games. You can't do anything if they just lash out at you. But remember, somebody, hurt them before you did. But don't be a hypocrite. If they feel entitled to sex, can you blame them if you're having premarital sex also? To pick who you want sex with, but then judge them for not getting any? It's wrong either way. But be in their shoes, before it happens to you maybe.

Gentlemen: Be NICE to women! The same rule applies to you as well. Don't mock and shame women for being single and not having anybody if you don't really KNOW THEM. You don't know their pain, their wants, and desires either. If you keep playing games, you will be at fault for the breakdown of their minds. You can't do anything about 'crazy', but remember they are human too.

The point of the message people is we can't blame everyone who are incel if we don't look at our lifestyle choices and how we treat others also. If we want to prevent more incel or rapes, etc. we have to change what we want to promote. And if that means getting rid of porn, etc. So be it. It needs to happen anyway. There is a good reason why in ancient times they didn't HAVE all of this going on. Those who were caught raping women were charged and killed. Those who had premarital sex was stoned to death. Sadly spousal rape and abuse went on to where it did. But you had fewer people single. Now we have an all-time high. Something is wrong here. They need understanding. Not judgment. Or were the ones fueling their hate.

[cth96190]

Pornography is a masturbation aid.
It is the only form of sexual release that lonely men have.
If you take that away, you can expect a lot of angry men who have blue balls and a lot more hostility toward women.

[btbc92]

@cth96190 Porn is why so many are angry and why the OP made the point about what they do. That's why Roger ended up the way he ended up. Blue balls are the cause of a lack of proper control. Most men don't have it if they never masturbated. It is a simple matter of not treating females like sex objects. And think sex is everything or the end of the world if they don't have it. I am by myself and never have I ever gone crazy over it. And I am certain me not being a man makes no difference. I know men who don't masturbate, alone, etc, or was alone once, and don't have that issue either.

[btbc92]

The point is, not everybody is meant to be in sexual relationships and not everybody is called to it. People are being taught wrong about love, sex, marriage, relationships, etc, and are primarily sex-driven. Those same guys who masturbate to porn end up destroying themselves and sex lives. Most women hate it. That's we tell you to stop, but you keep doing it. And then want to know why we don't want sex or leave you for another guy or want a divorce. A man has to learn to form relationships with women no different than how it was when we were children. People have forgotten the importance of it and this is why it got worse. This is why many women have 0 respect for men, and now us innocent people are either victims or caught in the middle. Many can survive without sexual exposure. And it's a lie to assume they can't. He was conditioned as all of us were, and that's why it's a big problem.

[btbc92]

The ones who had complained about constant blue balls are men who are already sexually active and are frustrated because they never had it in a while and those who are porn addicted or masturbating like mad. If one is having blue balls more than 20x a month as opposed to 2-3 naturally without porn, masturbating, lusting, or even being sexually active: aka a virgin, one would know why that is. And it wouldn't be as harassing as others make it. It's their choice to be hostile. I don't tolerate that behavior or use it as an excuse.

[WowwGirl]

I agree with the porn drives them crazy

[UncleJessieRabbit]

Can you still honestly blame people for not wanting to wait until marriage to have sex?

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@btcb92 I think making men feel guilty about masturbation or telling them it's sinful and that they are treating women as "sex objects" is also judgmental.

[btbc92]

@UncleJessieRabbit It is a sin. PEOPLE has a choice to get married or not. This is why people go into that rage because we allowed things without boundaries, then when it gets too ugly then we put boundaries only when it convenience us as long as we get to do the same sins. That's hypocrisy. There is a reason why a good amount isn't called to sexual relations because they will abuse it, except doing what it's true purpose is: Worshiping God. Not ourselves.

[btbc92]

"I think making men feel guilty about masturbation or telling them it's sinful and that they are treating women as "sex objects" is also judgmental." Sin already makes us feel guilty because we have knowledge of right and wrong, Good and evil. That is not judgmental for the sake of being judgmental. But the judgment in truth. No different than women who do the same as men, the same as your brothers, sisters, parents, etc. It is wrong. We are all called to make the right judgment calls. There is no excuse for these things. You find a person who equally desires the same, get married, have kids if able or want and called to, and live your life TOGETHER with that 1 person. Not having 10+ partners, 20 maybes, 5 kids scattered like the wind, and still don't have yourselves together.

Everybody needs to have self-control, otherwise, they are consequences and somebody will get hurt.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

In that other post you seemed to only talk about the "excuse" of women disrespecting men but not the reverse.

And as much as I agree that porn and other sexual things may have bad effects for some level of society, repressing outlets or potential outlets of sexuality from these guys will only make them more angry and resentful toward females.

[btbc92]

If women are allowed for sexual use, then men cannot blame females for other provisions as well. The same rules apply, and therefore hence why you have no sexual authority over the other and who they wish to sleep with either. You can't bind one and then refuse to bind yourself. A woman have greater respect for men who love her and all of her. Not for er body just because she presents a body, but gets upset if her body is not sexually presented. A woman is not drawn to that. Otherwise, there's always prostitution, but then you don't want that either. Again, can't have it both ways. That brings confusion to a woman and this is why so many are no going their own way also which is wrong. Because without the headship of a man, and if he is not in order, everybody and everything falls into chaos. Rodgers case is that of sexual conditioning that if he doesn't have sex he is ruined. And then getting shamed for it, even more, is worse. The cure is not him having sex and doing it outside of marriage. The cure is others who refuse to treat him with decency even when rejected. And if he couldn't accept the decency, then he is the problem that became a product of porn and a sex-addicted society. Pleasure based philosophy of sex leads to no fulfillment. Especially for women. And the one who suffers because of it is the men. Why? Because no woman is giving what he wants when she is not given what she needs.

[btbc92]

@UncleJessieRabbit Not true at all.

"And as much as I agree that porn and other sexual things may have bad effects for some level of society, repressing outlets or potential outlets of sexuality from these guys will only make them more angry and resentful toward females." Those are excuses to be saying that. There is not thing repressive being a virgin, not masturbating and porn, and I can safely tell you that as a virgin myself who never done those things. If guys act angry and resent towards females, the problem is these guys who are selfish and choose to take out their anger and resentments on a woman. That is designed to be testing men and to humble them. Humble men learn to appreciate sex. Selfish men demand sex. And that is not only sexually abusive, it is physical, emotional, spiritually, mental, and psychological abuse as well. As proof, the legal age for marriage is 18, 16 with parental consent. How many men are actually ready and prepared to be a husband at those ages? Not that many rights? Most teens have sex as young as 11, if not far earlier as 8. Fewer wait longer unless they have had 0 chances of having sex. Many men that I encountered did NOT wish to wait for marriage to have sex, nor wanted to get married at all. They wanted sex. They ran from girl to girl they could find and have for a girlfriend, sexually touch them when they shouldn't, and everything else many do in relationships for the sake of sexual exposure, pleasure, and experience. There is nothing LOVING about these relationships. It's just sex. The same with practically the majority of dating relationships. They just want a sexual hand out because stupid chicks, girls, etc are unwise and sadly, dumb enough to listen to them, do it, and then regret it or blame the guy for the very thing she equally has done.

[btbc92]

So there are no excuses. They just want something for free. So they will always be angry. Always resentful. Because it's their nature. It's their character. Not having sex or sexual release changes that. They'll just be 'rewarded' for poor and bad behavior. And scared and lonely women will quickly submit just to be said 'they were chosen'.

I can say by experience. They will do and say this regardless. Because they won't change and don't want to change. It's manipulation tactics I had learned growing up by observation, research, interviews, and studying male behavior. I have heard both sides of the coin, religious, spiritual, feminism, MGTOW, etc. And it's the same results based on these sets/groupings:

SET A
1. If a man ain't getting sex, he doesn't want to love you.
2. If a woman isn't getting sex, she thinks she's not loved

What do these two types of people have in common: They don't love themselves. Therefore they don't know how to love or give love in return. But they demand it.
Roots of the problem?: Toxic male influences, Bad sexual experiences, premarital sex, poor pick in partners, rushing to 'grow-up', "a rite of passage" belief mentality.

SET B
1. The guy never had a girlfriend, asks strangers to dates. Often get rejected. Accused of not being attractive enough. <--Also applies to women.
2. A girl never had a boyfriend, accepts strangers to dates. Often disappointed in them.

What do these two types of people have in common: They don't know what they want in a partner, need in a partner, and dates anybody who says yes or seems interesting/interested.
Root?: Unhealthy unrealistic expectations of adult members, peers, and social pressures. Rarely because of their own fantasies.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@btbc92 I can agree that it's ideal to have morals so there would be more marriages anyway and less bad stuff like rapes, STDs, etc. but unfortunately, we don't live in such a world anymore. It is now what it is. It's cruel to tell men to not have sex before marriage when the system is screwed up so much that marriage becomes less of an option anyway, lack of suitable options, etc. so they'll just have to remain virgins until they die or do "sinful" behavior. It's a Catch-22.

Oh, and I have known women that even supposed to be strongly religious that go to a church, but slept with someone and had a baby outside of wedlock twice anyway. For the second one, she did end up marrying the guy, but that is irrelevant.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

In my personal experience with the church teachings, the emphasis was more about men and their sexual sin and perversion than both men and women. So it comes off as judgmental, even though it's possible that you genuinely believe what you propose will help people.

[btbc92]

@UncleJessieRabbit What you have to understand is that this is not about religion it is about the way of life that is being destroyed and everybody born is paying the consequences for it.

" It's cruel to tell men to not have sex before marriage when the system is screwed up so much that marriage becomes less of an option anyway, lack of suitable options, etc. so they'll just have to remain virgins until they die or do "sinful" behavior. It's a Catch-22." The system is only screwed up because we allowed it to be screwed up for the same reasons we see the riots happening with BLM. They rob stores [for the ones who are] because they want to. The same analogy applies. There are plenty of suitable girls before the age of 18. The problem is are there enough suitable men too? I would have been married years ago if that was the case. There are more benefits to being a virgin than not. It is more hellish to not be one because now you are confirmed to your sexual desires that are even harder to control because you experienced or had a 'taste' of sex, as opposed to being a virgin and having self-control with a stable libido. What men fail to release is that sex is the product of love. Love is not the product of sex. They have to learn to truly love themselves and those who they desire an intimate life with, IF intimacy is what they want, as sex and intimacy are not the same, and then is when sex is given.

[btbc92]

"Oh, and I have known women that even supposed to be strongly religious that go to a church, but slept with someone and had a baby outside of wedlock twice anyway. For the second one, she did end up marrying the guy, but that is irrelevant." You do understand that there is a major difference between a religious woman and a Godly woman right? Religious people are just that. Godly people are not religious. They follow the things of God to the entirety. If they made mistakes then they made them but they do it no more. The problem is they were just looking for something they already lacked. They aren't stable. Those are the ones you cannot take seriously. If they don't walk the walk, the same rule applies when they talk the talk. Actions speak louder than words. Many do that in hopes to 'minister' to you by a relationship. It's selfishness. It's not about a real relationship. God doesn't endorse such relationships nor practices. Just know that.

[btbc92]

"In my personal experience with the church teachings, the emphasis was more about men and their sexual sin and perversion than both men and women. So it comes off as judgmental, even though it's possible that you genuinely believe what you propose will help people."

See, you have to read the Bible and actually have that conversation with God. The church, at least most, will just tell you what they want to tell you. If you went to a man's seminar, then yes, it is for you. There are righteous judgment and unrighteous judgment. Judgment is not wrong. Done in unrighteousness is and it starts by practicing what you preach. Successful men, learn from other successful men and you must be willing to take it seriously. Men lust after women and are highly more sexually sensitive than women. That's why it's directed at men. Because God called you to be the head and to lead us. You either lead us to the things of God or eternal damnation. We can do the same, but that is usually if we have knowledge of how to damn a man. And that knowledge is through sex. That's why we can easily tempt men into bed, have children, and still make you pay for your mistakes with us, literally. So you have to really rethink how you're processing this. This is for your own good and for our good if for some reason other stubborn women don't want to comply. That's we they taught their young extremely young as 1-year-old back in ancient times. They weren't exposed to all of this junk unless grew up with pagan ideologies or religion.

[btbc92]

If a man cannot do what he is designed and called to do then he will reap what he sows equally as a woman does. I know plenty who've done what you described. They were not stable in their spiritual walk because their lust for the flesh and the desires for a sexual relationship by God's design tempt them into these things. And the guys they picked up weren't happy and neither were they. They needed a Godly relationship but can't find it in church men either. Men are men and women are women.

If a man is struggling with sexual sin, they should turn to God for help, not try to do it all by themselves, or toss caution to the wind. It is a joint effort of everybody. I do my part by not tempting me, tempting myself, dressing inappropriately, or entice things sexually in a man. I hold myself and him accountable by not engaging in lust or accept lustful remarks from him. Therefore I don't respect or reward bad behavior and he will see it by how I speak, look, and other forms of nonverbal communication. I say 'no', 'I don't like/appreciate it when', 'if you refuse to respect me..' and be firm. Less warm and accepting. I will be aggressive if I have to. Women have this power as do men, but nobody use authority anymore. Why? Because they often gave it away sexually, or by abuse. As a virgin, it is my sexual rights to enforce those boundaries to protect my sexual integrity and his. It is not my problem if he chooses to disrespect himself though. I am free to walk away. The more I enforce that, the more that men have no choice but to respect me because I don't do what others do. A woman of God like a man is also transformed. Spiritually and by extension, physically.

[btbc92]

The more you die to self [your fleshy wants], the more content you become with life because of your living in the spirit and not the flesh. The word of God has been very clear on this. If you want true sexual bliss you must be in the spirit, not the flesh. But because we are flesh, we operate in the flesh through the will of the spirit.

The things of the flesh and the spirit are vastly different. Wordly sex gives you nothing to be satisfied with. The sex you have when you are in spiritual oneness is on a higher level than the flesh. And I have friends who both were and weren't virgins, and even born again virgins when they married. They all said practically the same. Those who waited were in true marital bliss, while those who didn't but born again struggled more but was able to distinguish the difference between the sex they had out of lust vs sex they have with true love by and for their partners, and those who didn't wait but did what many did struggle, but whatever happens happened. They either dealt with it or their sins landed them in divorce. That's why 1 Corin 7 when Paul was instructed by the spirit to write this was extremely CLEAR, I cannot say how clear he was with this. If YOU cannot CONTAIN, GET MARRIED. It is not a sin. BUT you cannot divorce. If you have an unbeliever that desires to dwell with you, don't divorce them just because they aren't believers. They are covered by your love for God. If they desire to leave, allow them to leave. For they aren't believers. BUT if you decide to marry again, make SURE it's another believer this time. And unless its adultery, you are not free to marry again if you committed adultery. But if your spouse did, then you are free to marry again. Paraphrased right there.

[btbc92]

I'm sure there are plenty who have strong sex drives, don't masturbate or watch porn, and can still control themselves and not freak out on women/men. Still can wait for marriage, and actually be fulfilled. How one handles themselves outside of marriage or as a virgin is how they will carry themselves when married or worse when they aren't virgins anymore. An unstable person is the worse type of person to have sex with, I don't care who they are or what they affiliate with. Period. This is why one must have discernment.

[btbc92]

That same rule applies in a marriage as well. If a man screws something up for the woman, you can guarantee sex is off-limits if not as passionate if it ever was. She will grow distant and then you have a problem. The same outside of marriage mostly, if a man is not pleased with who he is dating, it can affect her ability to get married or date exclusively. But when he enforces or expects sex to take place in a relationship or dating when it's bad enough is compromising her sexually, then that is different. Because no relationship is worth that compromise except for those who are willing to compromise themselves because again, they see it's worth the risk. To go through such hoops just to say you done it just because is foolish and isn't without regrets and unnecessary hardships. If you do the right thing, you will always face hardships, but they're temporary. Do it wrong and it can last as one's pride leads them. And what does the word says about pride? Pride comes before the fall.

[jestergent]

I like this girls opinion.

[Lochlan]

Bravo, madame. Truly insightful points of view. The united axioms of Judeo-Christian teachings no longer integrate the broad popular culture with functional implications of procreation. A vacuum has been left with a pseudo convenience touted by the "sexual revolution" of a pill. Yet those proponents endorse scientific distortion, don't really know how to protect themselves from disease or unwanted birth, and everyone now has to sift through the results of that movement into managing the ethical fulfillment for the genders.

[Flower7]

I have encounter a lot of that behavior. That's one of the main things that makes this site so toxic. I actually never even heard of incels or MGTOW before joining G@G. But all of that seems to run rampant in this online community for some reason. I'm not sure why this site attracts so much of that, but there are a lot of them here.

[MrEiffel]

It's very popular in online communities because places such as these is where the incels reside. In online chat rooms and forums talking about how sad life is... if only they were to get up and go outside and try to socialize (Not so much during this pandemic but you get my drift)

[Flower7]

@MrEiffel Very true. Maybe spending too much time sitting at the computer is part of their problem!

[MrEiffel]

I'd argue that it's probably 90% of their issue. Locking themselves in this echo chamber and just wallowing in their sadness and situation. It's pretty easy to see how much sex other people are having when you're on the internet all day.

[Username85568]

Cry moar 🖕

[Lliam]

I don't understand the Incel, MGTOW things at all.

From my limited perspective, MGTOWs seem to suffer from lack of nurturing. They never learned how to be men. Their thing is all about bonding with men and learning how to be a manly man. Many might be closet homosexuals.

Incels just seem to be losers. A lot of sociopaths and narcissists. They expect the women they want to give them what they want even though they, themselves, have nothing to offer but pain and danger. They lust after sex but they hate women. They are so sick in the head that they don't recognize how toxic they are and, therefore, are incapable or unwilling to do the self reflection and work necessary to become healthy. Short of that, they will never be attractive to the opposite sex.

Short story: I had girlfriends from the time I was 16 but I had no intention of settling down or starting a family. I was too self-centered, too into having fun, and I knew I was too immature to raise kids, so I eventually moved on from all my relationships.

I went through a dry spell for over five years, from my late 20s through my early 30s, because a job changed my life in a way that I no longer recognized myself. I no longer fit in with the kind of people I had fit in with before and I didn't think I fit in with the kind of people I knew at my job. I gained weight. I didn't want the kind of girl who would want me for a partner.

But I didn't want to stay that way so I got it together, lost weight and got back in shape. In the meantime, I also did a lot of self reflection and inner work because, by my mid-30s, I was finally thinking about finding a life partner and settling down. Without having done that inner work, I would never have met the right woman or recognized her as the right women, and she wouldn't have been attracted to me. I've been married to her now for almost 24 years and we couldn't be happier. She's my partner for life.

[WowwGirl]

I feel you are pretty right

[SpiritBear]

You don't really have to worry about incels tbvh. They spout their hate online because like many of people, it adds anonymity. They will rarely say it IRL. And if you ever meet one, you won't talk to him due to how socially isolated they are, and should one talk to you, you'll end up being able to tell that they're an incel a lot of the time.

[WowwGirl]

Cool thank you

[MrOracle]

The majority of men have always struggled to get laid, but the majority of those would eventually be successful. What's changed is that Boomer parents, and then Gen X parents, increasingly taught their kids that they were "special" and "deserved the best" and rarely told their kids "no" and almost never taught their kids that they had to WORK for the things they wanted. With so many divorced parents, they would often buy their kids toys or clothes or cars or video games or whatever they asked for to win their favor, and so a lot of kids grew up with a very entitled attitude and were unwilling to work or change to get what they wanted.

And many of these kids were guys who were socially awkward and/or perhaps not the best looking guys - in other words, the kinds of guys who have always struggled to get laid - but instead of working hard to overcome their negatives, many of them now just rage that they aren't being given what they want like they always have been before. Their entitlement, built over years by their parents, extended to girls and sex, and they are confused and frustrated and angry when they can't get what they want, and doubly so when they see other, more attractive/popular guys getting those girls when they can't, and soon, some of them will find their way to Incel groups and decide to adopt Incel as their "badge of honor." It's sad and ridiculous, but it's also potentially dangerous.

This is exactly why kids need to be taught to work for things, and why they need to learn sportsmanship - which includes learning how to be both a good winner and a good loser. The "participation trophy" concept is completely wrong and leads to the kind of entitlement that leads to problems like Incels.

There have always been a small number of genuine Incels - guys who are just so unfortunate, either physically or socially, that they could not attract women - but the majority of self-identified Incels today certainly have the potential to attract women, but it would require them to work to improve themselves and to make changes to make themselves more attractive - and they find that unacceptable, because they believe they are entitled to the very best, and are only interested in the hottest girls, and believe they "deserve" them. That's so twisted and wrong, but it's the logical end result of parents who have spoiled and entitled their children rather than teaching them how the real world works.

[Bluemax]

Very interesting. I suspect you're right about most of this.

Very serious question though. What do you think the odds are that they'll seek to change their ways if the only thing that's offered to them is name calling? Frankly, for a large section of GAG, that seems to be the only solution they have to offer.

[Bluemax]

Are you familiar with the concept of learned hopelessness?

[MrOracle]

While GaG could offer some valuable information and perspective to people looking to actually learn, it isn't likely to help those who are convinced that they are victims - and frankly, GaG is under no obligation to do so.

This is just one of many examples of the logical conclusions of victim culture, and in all cases, it does more harm to the "victims" and either does nothing to solve the root problem or, more often, makes it worse.

[WowwGirl]

@Bluemax yes many terms like that I'm firmiliar with.

[WowwGirl]

Have you ever heard of Classic Conditioning or Guided Reactions?
Fascinating 😉

[Bluemax]

@WowwGirl
Yes, I am familiar with them. Why do you ask?

If you're about to tell me that use of personally insulting language is generally effective to mentor people, I'm about to say horseshit and ask you for studies showing how calling people names and insulting them will condition them to better themselves.

[Bluemax]

@MrOracle

No one on GAG is obligated to do ANYTHING, including using the aforementioned language. So how one chooses to answer a question is just that... a choice. I argue that choosing to use insulting language is a choice that's mostly ineffective at best, and stupid at worst.

This is why I agree with you readily that GAG isn't the best place for incels to seek any useful advice or insight. Probably a trusted, honest mentor, or lacking that, a therapist is the best resource (though honestly I question the usefulness of most therapists, as it seems they are too willing to agree with a victim mentality)

[Bluemax]

I mention learned hopelessness because it seems to be one of the greatest common denominators in incels. It would seem most useful for them to:
A) Recognize they suffer from learned hopelessness
B) Seek out strategies specifically relating how to overcome learned hopelessness.

I have personally found that as for B, the most effective way is to actually attempt, learn how to be skillfull, and accomplish great things.

[WowwGirl]

@Bluemax it's helplessness actually. That person has no hope with doing much in life.

[WowwGirl]

I don't want to be nobody's mentor I don't want anything from anyone

[cth96190]

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
With the exception of a very few individuals, incels are not violent.
I can think of only four who have done harm to anyone else, out of millions of incels.
The person who an incel is most likely to kill is themselves.
I have read of incels who have had themselves castrated, to remove the longing for women. They saw it as the only way to stop the pain, short of suicide.
Elliot Roger killed six people (three of whom were his male flatmates), not seven.
As a mass killer, he was incredibly incompetent.
Incels do not set out to hate women. On the contrary, they want so much to give love to a woman that their failure to do so destroys them mentally.
What you have written, WowGirlRocks, is the standard lie that Feminists have put about for the past five years (roughly).
The lie has been repeated so often that people have begun to believe it, even though the evidence (for example the body count) says otherwise.
Of course incels become angry and bitter when they see women choose men who are what Elliot Roger described as 'brutes'.
Until I was 30, I was a borderline incel.
The two relationships that I had were with girls who tore my heart out in ways that could be used for soap opera scripts.
I was so lonely and heartbroken that I wanted to die, especially when I saw a female whom I desired in the company of a male who was my intellectual, economic and aesthetic inferior.
I could accept losing to a better man, but not to a knuckle dragging borderline retard.
The demonstrated female group preference for such 'brutes' cannot help but give lonely men an unflattering opinion of the female cognitive process.
This is not a 'fault' of women, it is simply how women have been wired. Women are hard wired to be attracted sexually to something that I was not. It was a simple as that. About age 30, I accepted that I was not what was wanted and walked away. It was like trying to sell coffee when the customer base wanted tea. The project was not going to be successful.
As for the Southern Poverty Law Centre declaring incels to be terrorists, the SPLC was created by and remains a nest of Communist Jews who are dedicated to the destruction of the USA and the extermination of white people. The SPLC could be described as Antifa with law degrees.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

When you say women are attracted sexually to "brutes", what kind of actions and things would you describe a "brute" does? Because I don't necessarily have a qualm about being kind of a bad person myself.

[cth96190]

@UncleJessieRabbit
That was the word that Elliot Roger used.
What I have observed is a demonstrated female preference for low IQ sociopaths who look as though they are homeless.
Watch a few episodes of Jerry Springer, Mauri Povich and Steve Wilkos.
Dirtbags who treat women like shit and have no prospects past minimum wage, or welfare and a prison cell, are what what make a lot of women wet.
What you see on those shows is not confined to the USA.
Here in Australia, all that you have to do is change the accents.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I don't care. All these "incels" are just men who were unfortunate enough to think women were honest when they gave them dating advice or told them what they wanted. They were deprived of a masculine perspective that would have informed them that women do not want these things, that they are lying and that would have saved them years of trying to find some one to love them only to get rejected again and again specifically because they were trying to be everything women told them they wanted them to be rather then what women actually wanted.

This is why no man should ever put pussy on a pedestal, women are fickle and emotional and they are never honest. This is why you bitch and moan about these kinds of men but turn around and bitch and moan about men who don't buy into your bullshit at the same time, you want a masculine man but you also want a man who is going to put your pussy on a pedestal and you simply can't have both. Any man who would pander to a woman in the hopes of convincing her to love him isn't a man, he is a bitch, period.

[AndrewMG]

I'm going to repeat an answer I gave previously because I think it's relevant to this question/take.

Anyone that thinks the world owes them anything that is within there capabilities then I consider them weak
No one owes anyone a living
No one owes anyone a relationship
No one owes anyone a profession

If something is within your capabilities that you don't achieve you need to look inwards
If something is outside your capabilities that you don't achieve you need to look outwards

Conclusion being I take responsibility for who I am... both the good points and the flaws.

I'm who I am because of my personal actions... whether that's truthful/untrustworthy strong/weak positive/negative it's a true reflection of who I am.

[OlderAndWiser]

Sometimes, I can understand the thinking that leads people astray in various wrong directions, but this is something I just can't comprehend.

With the MGTOW movement, it is so obvious that they are the fox complaining about sour grapes. With this group, nothing is obvious except hate.

[DonCachondo]

Better sour grapes than burn the whole tree to the ground

[startingfitness]

I find it bizarre that the solution to this problem , from women seems to be, to make fun of them? This refelcts very poor on your problem-solving skills.
problems dont go away by making fun of them. This is something that everyone should have learned in kindergarten.

People like elliot are the exceptìon, that is true. But that doesn't mean that other incels can't be dangerous to women. And there are many other mwn who aren't mwn who hold similar dislike for women. Maybe you should start looking at why. And consider that incels are mostly a western problem.

[startingfitness]

* many other men who aren't incels

[Fairyluna]

I didn't know about Elliot Rodger... that is scary af. I feel like incels exist because they are so mentally isolated from the real world that they forget there might be women just like them who can't get laid or maybe who feel bad about themselves too. Like, we are all humans, creating these invisible walls and socials contructs does nothing for them or mankind.

[Liam_Hayden]

InCels in my experience are just whiny guys with absurd expectations. Like the one who comes on here repeatedly moaning about how he's fat and depressed and no attractive women want him. Duh. "Hi, Miss Rich Super Model, I'm 300 lbs with 40% body fat, lazy, work the graveyard shift at the Taco Bell Drive-Thru. I'm depressed and live in my mama's basement. Why don't you swoon when I walk by?" That is the attitude and they get frustrated because they live like losers and expect women who are not losers to date them.
Or they are average guys but they make no real effort, get rejected once or twice, and now complain about all women. Waaaahhhh. Toughen up Buttercup. Rejection is part of life.

[esotericstory]

You know Elliot Rodger's murders could be prevented if he received the correct diagnosis but no doctor wanted to give him one. Despite being suspected of having bi-polar disorder he received no diagnosis. He was never eligible for medication nor treatment due to lack of diagnosis. His parents were wealthy, they could afford all the medication, therapy and medical care their son needed. No diagnosis could be made due to lacking health resources for males. Elliot Rodger showed signs of mental illness since childhood, all this time doctors made no diagnosis.

[hellacray]

Did you actually take your time to research this or are you bashing them just because?

If you actually look into incels are more likely to take their own lives than to go on a shooting spree like Elliot Roger.

I know he's now like the poster child for incels, but just FYI not all of them are like that.

Same how not all Muslims are terrorist or all black people are gang bangers.

in my opinion incels are just sad... Not even the funny kind of sad like other groups.

[WowwGirl]

No I didn't say they where

[WowwGirl]

I researched I didn't know about their little club

[hellacray]

It started as a little club... And not sure if you know the person that founded the whole incel thing was a woman.

[Dchrls78104]

Say the word "Incel" and I think "false entitlement". I'm a virgin, I've never so much as dated or kissed a girl; but I don't go snapping and biting at women or men or killing people for that! The violent Incels remind me of some young men in my country; they would not get a job to earn their living, but seem to be angered by the fact that the government would not hear their cries and employ them. A few days ago some of these were heard threatening police officers here...

[WowwGirl]

Omg weirdos

[Jjpayne]

I'm not sure where I fit in 🤔 but I'm not exactly a virgin by choice... Where does that put me on the scale... I'm not sure 🤔 at least I know I'm not mean or angry about it... But I suppose I am a little bitter, after hearing the ocean of girls guy choices when I can't even go on a date with any one girl let alone a bad date. I'd like the opportunity to have one bad date over none 😞

[blondfrog]

Have met women like this too, but yeah. Hey I am a loser when it comes to finding a female partner but I can safely say I am not bitter. I don't go around and placing blame on women. You have to count your blessings in life and just go you know? Not everybody is going to even have sex in their life and you have to accept that. If you really wanna meet an influx of these type of guys just go on reddit. Most people won't find love either.

[WowwGirl]

You're not a loser at all

[blondfrog]

But I am a loser.

[Bluemax]

The incels you mention are indeed dangerous.

The thing is, I strongly suspect that the bitter, angry incels that one encounters online are the minority. Based on the incels I know personally (which include some females), the majority seem to be harmless. I suspect the angry bitter incels online are a very vocal minority.

[CasaNorba]

wow you dedicated a whole mytake to the incel community, hallelujah!

you must really admire their doing if you really took the time and energy to write a 500+ word article on them. you know is cause of people like you who again dedicate so much time and energy to them that they are getting so much popularity.

do people like you people ever learned?

[WowwGirl]

I don't read catty replys from men though 😊

[CasaNorba]

you still did though, otherwise you wouldn't of known if it was "catty" or not

[Massageman]

Originating from Chicago, a Chad, is derogatory slang for a young, urban, American man, typically single, and in his 20s or early 30s.

[WowwGirl]

Thank you for that

[Hans222]

Gosh, I'm starting to get afraid for hidden incels now :o

[WowwGirl]

Right

[Chthou95]

You know how you help incels? Stop vilifying them & making them feel like even bigger outcast. Mentally these guys are damaged & the last thing you want to do to a mentally unstable person is make them feel like these monsters to society. Society is not perfect either & it has it's fucked up issues i don't want to be a part of. Listening is all it takes ti help someone

[Anpu23]

There have always been bitter angry people who can't get laid. This is hardly a new phenomenon, but the internet has given them a voice and a platform. It's a problem, and a dangerous situation. They feed on each other and create a very closed bubble. Hmmm... Any ideas for a solution? I like sex robots... That gives them an outlet.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

I just think "incel" turned into yet another label to create more division and hatred among people, and to shut down those who are non-violent but want to talk about being rejected, and may even have some legitimate points to speak.

I just can't see most parts of this take as credible.