If a man doesn’t want to pay for dates, he doesn’t get to complain about “modern women” (Page 3)

[Twalli]

Likewise if a woman is a traditional woman, she has to take all of it. How many "traditional" women don't want to have money? Traditional women were allowed to handle what money their husband gave them, and only after she bought what he required with it. Also voting is out, you are pretty much property.

[chocolatesinpockets]

That's interesting. I'm also surprised what caught my eye to this question in the feed, was the use of that Johnny Bravo photo cartoon. Anyways, nostalgia, and your views are reflective of the modern times, what a combination. Peace.

[fonduegirl]

Exactly! If you want traditional woman, gotta do it traditionally and pay for EVERYTHING! Just like how you used to, back in good old days when feminism didn't exist!

[Jdjfjcjj]

Agreed but you could also say a "modern" woman shouldn't demand "traditional" man if she doesn't want to be "traditional" woman.

[Lizsizzie]

That is true. This views expressed in this post do not exclusively go in one direction.

[Moose304]

I spent several minutes writing a reply when I come to realize no matter what I wrote because my chromosomes don't match I will automatically be wrong. So I erased that and will just say opinion noted!

[Anonymous]

This is not so easy in practice, you pay for women, and treat them traditionally even then they will still hate you if you expect them to cook and clean solely. Modern women too want benefits for both worlds... Get paid for everything and their men still will help them with housework, not caring about her huge past or emotional drama...

[Lizsizzie]

This is due to the type of woman you’re choosing. Make a different choice and get a different result, they’re are plenty of women who would appreciate it and not react as you suppose.

[YourFavoriteFriend]

And who are these women that you're talking about? Are YOU one of them? In your post you said that you are one (virgin, traditional value, etc.) and you know at least 7 of them (which I could reject because you can NEVER be 100% sure and talk about other people). So we have a total of 8.

Even If I believe you, that's still not enough for most men that are traditional and want to pay for the date. For the record, I would pay for the date (tho not in a very expensive restaurant, I find it ideologically stupid) and I do seem to have the "traditional values" that you're talking about. So I do wonder if you and your friends would find me attractive...

So this "make a different choice" goes for you and your "traditional" friends as well!

[Lizsizzie]

@YourFavoriteFriend I never said it did not. Unlike you I don’t get triggered at the thought of being held accountable for my own choices. Nowhere in my text did I allude to myself choosing such men as I describe, because I do not. The fact that you feel the need to question my character or insinuate that I’m the type of fornicating modern women describe is a symptom of your own bitterness and bile. That is unattractive to most people, male or female, let alone women (traditional or non/traditional). But in general a kind man who takes pride in providing, who knows what a relationship is supposed to be about, and who doesn’t expect his wife to live like his roommate is what all girls want.

[homelessdisabledguy]

I’m a traditional man and my standards are for traditional women is the old days where the woman stays at home and takes care of the home and kids and takes care of the meals and the man goes out and works enough to pay the bills and takes the women out on a date but I’d gladly pay for the meals but my standards for marriage is that the woman is a stay at home wife you think you are a traditional woman try to live up to my standards as a true traditional man

[whiskeyontherocks]

Um, I’m not going to completely agree but I kinda do…
Really I just wanted you to know You complained about men complaining in your complaint. I will file that with the men complaining about women complaining in there complaints.

[Lizsizzie]

I criticized and brought attention to a certain group of men. Not all men are hypocrites and so not all men fall under the category of whom this post was speaking about.

[jshm2]

Ehhhh. That's called a "dine and dash" kiddo. It's fuck all to do with modern women and more about guys picking weak women to pay their bill's

[Anonymous]

That's it. At this point the GAG "Men" are even more complicated than women are. They are never happy and they can not be saved. Weaklings.

[MysteriousDarkness]

If you consider yourself a man and since you are on here you insulted yourself as every other guy on here.

[Opinion Owner]

@MysteriousDarkness
You don't make much of a point.
i considered changing my gender to something else. I am Still undecided about it. But it's not for that reason.

[Mac-One]

When I was young and dating it was traditional for the guy to pay for dates. However, times and conditions are totally different today so possibly the expense could be shared.

[dantheman1118]

Jesus. I didn't read past your title. But that's like saying "If the women can't bleed the brake lines and change the brake pads they don't get to complain about equal pay."!

[fembotnpc777]

They say that want traditional virgins, but they want traditional hoes. Men don't know what they want.

[Rania05]

Even a child knows how to make choices between A and B, apparently some lose the ability at some point and starts being greedy

[USLegionary]

It's modern women who are demanding it both way. Traditionalism when it suits them. How many women go on dates just for s free meal.

[TroyDT2]

False. It is precisely the behavior of certain women that leads to the unwillingness to waste resources on those women.

[Lizsizzie]

What part is false then? Because nothing of what you said contradicts my take or really addresses it in anyway actually. Men who don’t want certain women should not date certain women, but the reason they date certain women is because they are not willing to put in the increased effort it would take to be with someone of increased quality. If you don’t want to pay for dates or have a cheap date then you are going to get a modern woman who believes in such things and will act accordingly. If one wants a traditional woman, one will be expected to and should be willing to pay for dates. What part of that is false?

[TroyDT2]

"If a man doesn’t want to pay for dates, he doesn’t get to complain about 'Modern women'”

As I showed above, the thesis itself is faulty, as the "cause" for the reluctance could easily be traced back to the actions of these women. Perhaps it should have been written, "If the man refuses to ever pay for dates under any circumstance, he should not complain about 'modern women'."

[Lizsizzie]

No the title and the premise are literally synonymous with what you’ve written yourself. If you happened to interpret "If a man doesn’t want to pay for dates, he doesn’t get to complain about 'Modern women'”, as “if a man who goes on dates with modern women and is turned off by said modern women than he shouldn’t complain about modern women” then that is your own fault. Per your own argument, if the behavior of said women is the cause for the lack of attraction then simply do not go out with those women, but as detailed in the original text men continue to go out with said women because of the benefits and because they aren’t willing to put in more effort to get a better date. In such a case, if you are only willing to go after certain women and reap the benefits of such, you are not justified in making a complaint.

[Lizsizzie]

Nothing about the original phrasing or title would imply or make room for an exception to those men that are genuinely attracted to traditional women (perhaps in addition to modern women) and are willing to pay for dates in certain circumstances.

[TroyDT2]

I should add, when a thesis title is faulty I do not read the following arguments, just as my professors would reject it without reading the arguments. Have a nice day.

[Lizsizzie]

There is nothing faulty about the title and I can see that you’re embarrassed by your own wrong presumption and are trying to back out of explaining now, don’t know why you think you’re the professor in this scenario (though I have to say that even as a professor his is a bad policy). Reading is fundamental, work on that to avoid embarrassment in the future. Good day.

[PainusNdeeAnus]

Mgtow is proof that

[Lizsizzie]

I’m just going to say again, because there are so many men like you in the comments, and in general I’ve seen that you do this often on this site (make smart Alec comments and then get your butt handed to you, because your not half as smart as you try to be): it will never not be funny how a man like yourself will attempt to make an intelligent critique of something he literally has not even read. Nothing could be more arrogant or ignorant than that paradoxically.

[Jamie05rhs]

You are so naive.
Modern women are FULLY COMPATIBLE with men paying for dates!!
The man pays for the date; the woman gives him sex.
How is that so difficult to understand?

[Lizsizzie]

About as difficult for you to understand that you’ve stated the e exact content of my message back to me. It is traditional women, the same women those men will complain they want/miss, that are incompatible with those values/practices.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Lizsizzie Exactly.
Except your point was the opposite! #FAIL 😆

[HighValue]

The men that want a more traditional woman/relationship are NOT the same ones that g o around having casual sex.

[Hypermotard1916]

I said it long back, it is both fault of western men and women who ruined the dynamic of relationships. Dating is a SCAM, Arranged marriage must be the norm

[Spiritofn]

Modern is a fictitious word, present day women however is always in, or you could say "me" cause I'm sure your not speaking for every woman on the planet 😂