People in general don't express themselves bc just people act like they can't handle it
This site is FULL of all sexes talking to strangers instead of the person they should be taking to. It's everyone who can't handle themselves. Not guys. Just not fully formed adults. Of any age.
I have NO idea what being " strong" has to fob with being an emotional cripple and alienating people you supposedly care about. and I'm SURE no one finds that attractive.
People use other peoples supposed intolerance as an excuse to not do things they supposedly would otherwise do.
But all the guys saying it's society as if they themselves are not part of societies and as if their actions fknt contribute to social convention , are full of it.
If you can recognize done behavior enough to say in I do this bc... ThN you can recognize it enough to stop doing it
If you do it you believe in doing it and everything rose is an excuse
in my opinion a lot if people play hard to get bc they think if makes them desirable.. That's all not being genujne is. Playing hard to get. And any gender does it.
When Guys do it , it's glorified" Society made me I have to be a 'man' "
When women do it and they are " passive aggressive" . When it's just a game.
And if your love if your life is going to be turned off bc you're human, then move on. It's irrational to stay. Entering a relationship planning to play games bc that's the only way to make it work. It's not working if you can't be human.
If your friends are babies and can't handle reality then dump them.
These excuses are just like sucking your thumb.
When people are afraid to express thrmselves that's fear and it's emotional. No one is afraid bc they are being rational
Expressing or not expressed is going to involve emotion either way. you get to choose if the emotion is fear or courage.
Women certainly "don't" express themselves in relationships as much as men don't. It's not a guy thing by any stretch. It's a cultural convention.11 Reply
Asker+1 yWell that certainly was a mouthful. I agree with some things, others not so much. But thanks for your input.
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+1 yGuy don't act like they have no emotions, most have been taught from their families and society that men do not show emotion. They need to be strong, they need to carry the daily stress that life gives and to express any emotion would make them weak in the eyes of other males. It is their pride them makes them believe this. Now I understand that this sounds like I am heading towards some serious man bashing but I promise you that is not the case.
The worst thing a woman can do is hurt a mans pride; belittling him in public or in front of his friends, telling him he is always wrong etc ( the ways are numerous) they get enough of this from other males they encounter through out the day. If you want a man to truly open up to you on an emotional level you must first prove to him that you will not hurt his pride, prove to him that you understand his pride is the most important thing he as a man will ever posses. Once he knows he can trust you with that ( because you have proven it) he will slowly start to let you in emotionally little by little and this is only if you are very important to him ( should it be best friend, girlfriend or wife) and if he knows that it will go no farther then you. And never try to force a man to talk about his emotions with you, if he trusts you and knows he has your respect and knows you will not make fun of, put down or belittle his emotions; when he is ready he will come to you.12 Reply- +1 y
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT, as WOMAN, UNDERSTANDING!! Some of us try, but many have had 'strong' fathers, and been punished for showing 'emotions' other than anger. . .
There isn't a 12-stpe program that I know of, for 'Emotionally Repressed' guys, but maybe there should be!!
It's only through understanding, caring, loving female companions, that some of us can figure out what we should be thinking/feeling, rather than what we grew up with!!
Asker+1 yOk so I got a little offended after reading this. If you've read through the thread, I've stated that I get that that's the way they are taught to be. I'm not ignoring that fact. I know from experience that even if a man's pride is protected that he'll still allow it to get in the way. You're making it sound like it's ok for pride to outweigh everything and I don't believe that it is. At some point you have to put pride to the side. I was in a 5yr relationship that started out as a friendship where he knew for a fact that he could trust me. He would tell me all the time "my pride is gonna cause the end of us and the death of me" because he refused to open up. And I NEVER forced him. I would ask and he would say he didn't wanna talk and I left it be. But that was his answer everytime. And it caused us problems because I never knew what was really going on with him. Guess that was my fault tho right? Guess I wasn't important enough after all.
+1 yThat's because society has taught meant that it is not okay to show their feelings in public and it also leaves their ego wide open to be hurt if they express it and it isn't returned. Many have more fragile egos than women do and I think this is one of the reasons why they're so hesitant to to express their feelings. They are much more likely to admit their feelings after messing up A relationship because there's nothing to lose anymore in terms of their ego getting stepped on. The EO for men is definitely something that Is Way, Way way more sensitive and it takes them much longer to cover from a break up then a woman does-Part of it is because they have to hi there emotions from it as opposed to we women who just get together with our girlfriends and cry about it, bitch about it, etc. and we are over it for more quickly. It can be a pain to get a guy to open up but it is worth it. Just keep in mind how fragile their egos are-And also if they are in public with friends they're not going to do anything that's going to cause them to be made fun of by their friends or if you're in a group of women to women you were in. It is a pain-Hang in there!
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Asker+1 yThank you for your input! I agree with pretty much everything you said. Even knowing all that it's still frustrating. I do get it tho.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yFor some reason, men seem to be programmed to be the strong one, whatever "strong" means. They only appear to have no feelings because they are conscious of the fact that men are "supposed" to behave a certain way, i. e. tough and stoic. They are often told "boys don't cry" from a young age and this eventually becomes deeply ingrained in them. As a result, despite whatever emotions they may be experiencing, they will attempt to hide them. They are just as emotional as women, though; it's just that they are not as inclined to express their feelings in an obvious manner because emotional displays are considered a sign of weakness. (This makes women seem a lot more emotional and weak by comparison because guys almost never show emotions!) However, I wouldn't say that men in general do not care about girls' feelings. I have known men who were unbelievably caring, while their partners or other women in their lives were heartless, cruel, and unloving. It depends heavily on the individual and how their parents raised them.
By the way, it's "fazes," not "phases." :)43 Reply
Asker+1 yThank you grammar nazi lol. But yes, females come off as heartless too. It's not too often, but it does happen. But males tend to show that trait more. And sometimes it's not even that they don't care, but they can be so nonchalant! That in and of itself is frustrating.
Opinion Owner+1 yPersonally, I know more heartless women than men. It's the reason I hate interacting with them. With men, everything is so much simpler. They (generally) don't play catty games and I never have to figure out what they're thinking or trying to say. Whereas with girls, I'm always like, "Does she mean what she says? Why is she acting like that? Am I overreacting? What's this bitch's problem?"
But yes, some men can seem nonchalant, which is not so great if you're trying to pursue a romantic relationship with them. But to an extent, this can be a good thing: since women tend to be more emotional, a man who is not as emotional on the outside can help create a balance between the two, you know?
Asker+1 yMost of the heartless women that I know are that way as a result of being hurt by a guy. And it's probably the same for them. We hurt each other.
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Speaking as an older guy there are several possibilities:
Media is responsible for perpetuating social stereotypes for both genders. Men are supposed to be strong, which means that they are not supposed to show emotion like hurt or sadness or even love, beyond having sex. The thing that really makes things difficult is that different women want/expect different things from men. Some women don't want a man who expresses emotion because that's not masculine in their view. Some women do like expressive men, but having been told by role models and societal constructs that this is not acceptable they repress emotion. Growing up many men are told that real boys/men don't cry.
Relationship with Mother/Relationship between Parents:
Yup, mom is the first female experience for any male and the relationship with her through his youth and teen years in to early adult hood will be the model for how he relates to other significant women in an unconscious automatic way, which usually occurs during period of emotional and psychological stress. The same applies to his observations on his parents relationship. If they where open and communicative, then it is likely he will follow this pattern in his relationships. The revers applies also if experiences where not healthy.
Negative Personality Traits:
Some men and women are just self centered and don't think beyond themselves, this could be as a result of poor role models, passive/aggressive behaviour or more serious personality disorders like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder.
Keep talking to your partner, give them permission to open up emotionally, this is the glue that keeps relationships together. Does he feel under pressure and uncomfortable because this is a new experience? Try and be supportive and non judgmental as possible as anything otherwise will work against your goal.
In the end, this may not be something he is capable of or willing to be...23 Reply
Asker+1 yI'm always supportive and non judgmental. I don't think I'm asking for much by asking to for him to be open.
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"In the end, this may not be something he is capable of or willing to be.."
You must answer this question for yourself then and go from there. Not a simple dilemma, I've had a couple relationships with the female equivalent. They are emotionally unavailable; this is who they and always will be unless they decide to change. Your next question becomes, "Am I willing to put up with this..."
Asker+1 yNope.
+1 yOk, it sounds like you are running up against the problem of : Guys Aren't Taught About Feelings, and the problem of Guys Like to Fix Things, not Talk About Feelings. Most guys don't actually process their feelings, they feel them, and then try to replicate events that feel good, and eliminate events that feel bad. (Fix.) Guy's aren't just taught not to be emotional, they aren't even taught how emotions work or what to do with them. Girls form natural support groups at early ages (clicks) and talk all the time. Guys punch each other in the gut, play sports, have sex, say what's up, i'm good, and move on. Because frequently they don't even know how to talk about their feelings and have no one they would feel comfortable doing so with. Some of us also have entirely different value systems that fall in line with this fixit mentality. Bottom line, either invest in some books about guy girl differences, and make they guy in your life read them, or, express how important something is to you, and stand your ground on it until he comes to some semblance of understanding on it. Not patient enough for that? You might be better off with a guy more in touch with his feelings.
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Asker+1 yI'm very patient however there's only so many times that one can hear "I don't wanna talk about it" before they flip out.
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Indeed. Some guys are quite stubborn. If this is becoming a serious problem (from the sounds of the comment, him not talking about his feelings/not valuing yours)...
Is he a good partner otherwise? How important are the issues at hand? Consider a "gentle" ultimatum approach. If he genuinely doesn't want to talk about his feelings, it might be best not to push on that button, but instead, again emphasizing the importance to you (But if possible not in a selfish sounding way? Please don't take that as any form of stereotyping.) tell him that the issue at hand needs a resolution, give him some time to get back to you. He may not talk to you about it, but he might confront the issue on his own and get back to you. If he is truly that avoidant, more professional or drastic measures may be called for. Pushing on resistant people rarely helps them open up, especially guys. Girls can see this as attention and a sign of interest, guys see it as accusational. Though, girls can feel the same.
Asker+1 yWe currently are not together because of this. He's a great guy but he bottles stuff up and it has a tendency to spill out in other areas of our relationship. He refuses to talk about things. I told him that he can't keep everything inside. The last argument we had (the break up) was because he had been in a bad mood for like a week but wouldn't tell me why. And it was putting a damper on everything we did. After about 8 days he was all of a sudden back to normal and I saw a comment from a female coworker thanking him for the talk and that if he ever needed to talk she was all ears. So naturally I got upset. I didn't accuse him of anything, I simply asked how come he couldn't open to me but could open up to another female. His answer: because she doesn't act like a nosey bitch all the time. We ended up having a huge argument that ended with me leaving.
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+1 yThis is taught, it's a culturally endorsed aspect of "masculinity".
It's detrimental and bad for you, by the way.95 Reply
Asker+1 yI mean I get it. Females are more emotional. Guys are taught to steer away from showing emotion because an overly emotional guy is a weak guy in the eyes of other guys. At what point does one break the habit tho? You have to show emotions at some point.
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Females are more emotional because males are explicitly forced to display less emotion, otherwise they aren't "manly" enough, or they're "wusses" or the like.
I started showing emotions because I learned how to express it somewhat and how it helps, and because eventually developed a "fuck you haters" mentality and don't give a shit what others think, if they don't like me for me then that is their problem. Since then, I do display as much emotion as it is reasonable.
Asker+1 yKudos to you! You should be able to express yourself without having others ridicule you for it.
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Even if they ridicule me, I don't really care XD
Asker+1 yGood for you!
"Or they shut down when it comes time to talk about feelings and all that."
This is the most important line in your question.
A psych professor once explained to me that since we are all girls in the womb, and boys must essentially make a gender change to become boys, it leaves our brains in a more vulnerable state. We have a -slightly- smaller Corpus Callosum, which is responsible for communicating between hemispheres to better process emotion. However, it is also still quite a bit more vulnerable. More prone to damage by emotional confusion or neglect.
She noted "It's ironic, then, that we raise our boys like they're supposed to be some sort of warrior and tell them to toughen up. And treat our girls as emotionally brittle flowers. Judging by the raw data, the it would make more sense to treat the boys as more emotionally vulnerable."
Supposedly, this dynamic is responsible for a lot of male mental health issues later in life. Anywhere from shutting down emotionally to rage and violence.
Also, men have different ways of dealing with emotions. It seems that girls are interested in not letting the issue go until it is resolved. For guys, things must remain calm. If they escalate, we need to leave until it can calm down, then discuss it again. If not, we feel backed into a corner. We begin to panic, but the girl won't let us leave. This can cause more rage-prone guys to break. It's a real treat to have someone like my dad who has the patience of a monk, and a mom who married him for that reason.12 Reply- +1 y
Another big thing, and I was surprised to hear this, is that boys hadn't been shown to benefit as much as girls from sitting and talking about feelings. They said while girls generally found it enriching, boys weren't entirely sure they got the point, and it made them restless if anything. Not sure if that's social or natural.
For me, that was one of the things I LIKED about living with girls in college. If we got into any roommate disputes, we could easily sit down and talk them out. But I did notice that if things escalated, they would barricade the door and say "quit trying to leave". I'd be less talkative then, because I'd feel trapped.
Plus, everything a guy says or does can and will be held against him. Around girls, anyway, I learned to expect that anything I said could, and likely would, be interpreted much deeper than it was intended to be. So things get short and concise.
Asker+1 yWell maybe you can inherit that patience from your dad lol. It's good that you lived with girls tho. You kind of understand.
If I may be so bold as to venture an 80th opinion... Men hide their emotions for the same root reason women hide their libidos: because the truth leaves them so profoundly vulnerable that many would rather subscribe to a lie.
Women experience sex from a position of weakness, with the result that they are capable of experiences so intense that they defy full understanding (both pleasure and pain). It takes patience and care to bring a woman to her full orgasmic potential, and the process can start a chain reaction over which it is very difficult to feel in control. In order to prevent this loss of control, many reflexively deny or inhibit this side of themselves.
The same principle applies to male emotion. When a man opens his heart to a woman, he is giving her the power to possess his soul, to penetrate and stimulate to ecstasy, agony, and everything in between... just as she gives him the power to possess her body when she opens her legs. The truth is exciting... but also frightening. Therefore, many men reflexively deny or inhibit their emotions.11 Reply
Asker+1 yVery well said. Eventually females give in. When they find someone that they can trust. Getting a guy to open up is like pulling teeth. But I get it.
+1 yI personally wasn't affected by that "brainwashing" growing up. I'm a pretty emotional guy (but not overly emotional).
But I've noticed that even entering adulthood and in the dating game, men are told they can't be open books because that's too boring. They have to be mysterious and reserved, give women bits to keep them interested and wanting more. Basically it can be a manipulation strategy that creates unhealthy relationships because they lack communication. But beyond that, men are also told they can't express too much love/desire or they appear desperate. They can't share too much of their personal problems because women could interpret that as a weakness. Being emotionally stable and optimistic are considered attractive and even a must for women so men think that showing signs of sadness/depression, worry or anger can make a woman lose interest in them. They have to be strong, resilient, unaffected and untainted with any "negative" emotions.
Whether they are right or wrong in feeling that way is another topic of discussion. But it's a reality that men are forced into this unhealthy mold. Which partly explains why the suicide rate is much higher for men. Because they keep everything bottled up since they feel they can't really be themselves.11 Reply
Asker+1 yTotally agreed. It's really sad when you think about it. It's frustrating from a female standpoint because I just want to be able to communicate and if you can't talk to me about how you feel then we're gonna have problems. It's so unhealthy to keep stuff bottled.
Are you still accepting opinions? What if the case was that the guy had some sort of developmental disability that made emotional understanding and intelligence something that takes longer for him to develop and learn? Being unwilling and being initially unable due to brain wiring are two different things. In my case, I am diagnosed with high functioning autism. My main struggles deal with emotional and social development issues such as: processing and understanding how my feelings relate to my thoughts, and paying attention and understanding other's non-verbal cues/feelings. It's like I feel the gaps and I guess all your feelings are somehow interrelated with your thought; but, my mind won't always grasp that picture. I think I'm like a thinking being first and who feels second instead of most others who feels first if that makes sense. That's why I really have to think about these things and have the motives behind one's feelings, needs or desires because it's not something that is a fluid process inside my head. I've been going to therapy to manage these issues, but mental developmental disabilities are something that can't be completely cured, in me opinion. I wonder if I can get the patience and understanding for my unique disposition without causing the frustration like you typed here lol
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Asker+1 yWell I understand that. You wouldn't be closed of because you just didn't want to talk, you'd be closed off because you legitimately have issues with that. So I wouldn't or couldn't fault you for that.
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They say high functioning autism (Asperger's) kind of overtly pronounces those male characteristics that you and a lot of other women find annoying/frustrating; but still, I never hold any hate over that. I just wonder if this is a issue you could approach in a slow, methodical manner where you might at times have to explicitly detail your reasoning for your feelings and needs? I've read about couples, where there was an autistic partner, who would have certain days to pick from slips with a certain feeling written on the slip. They could only choose one slip and whatever they chose, they would reflect on it and come back and talk about it later in the day. Just that one emotion, so it narrows the scope of what you want to talk about and help the autistic partner feel less overwhelmed than if you were to present them a broader question/problem.
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Could I also say can we talk about this issue sometime later in the week or next week so I can have time to write down and present my thoughts more concisely? Thought management and anxiety is also an issue for me and I need all my brain power to deal with the emotional aspects of my life. So, it could be a chance to clear out any distractions to prepare myself mentally. I guess it would be easier for me to break down emotional aspects piece by piece and, in my opinion, would help me best cope and slowly gain more understanding to get better in this regard. Would this still feel like pulling teeth or could there be slow, but steady returns from asking questions in a leading way and being overly explicit to at least start the process of opening up?
Asker+1 yWe ll like I said, I'd understand in that situation.
Asker+1 ySee you would be trying. And that would be enough for me. You are coming up with ideas to help make it better, and I would appreciate you for that.
Asker+1 yIt doesn't have to be right then and there, but if we never address what the issue is then that's a problem.
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I'm sorry for typing all that out, it must be annoying to read all that. I guess I just wanted to ask these questions to a woman whenever she presented the concerns you posted. You're right it is a problem if an issue is never addressed. I guess I might feel discouraged to open up if I feel inadequate for not initially meeting expectations as far as emotional intelligence and taking more time to ask the same questions over and over as a reminder to my head. So, there might be a small majority like you who might extend her patience and understanding to at least feel out if we can work out some routine or method (s) to address these issues if I can somewhat explain what I just detailed to you?
Asker+1 yIt's fine. I don't mind. And don't think that I get frustrated every time. I'm extremely patient. But it's only so many times that I can hear " I don't wanna talk about it" before I get agitated. If I know that you struggle mentally with it, I wouldn't be that way. I'd understand.
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+1 y1. It's a kind of mindset and if I may also add immaturity to think so
2. Communicating emotions is the most important which is why we have languages and speech don't we?
3. Upon a point of time it was considered unmanly to do so and there were reasons to it. Women being the more emotional ones meant to nurture children etc while the man was made more by nature to be a little numb in the face of external calamity which in turn was compensated by ability of brute force. Hence, women were kept bereft of a man sharing his emotions, flip side of the same was that he also couldn't communicate. Something that has changed a lot since.
4. Even in a metrosexual world however, it's an individual thing about men sharing emotions. Unfortunately most times when a man shares, it goes unaccepted thanks to fixation of thinking and resultant expectations.
5. I don't have a problem with sharing my emotions or understanding emotions of my partner or for that matter anyone. But it depends on various factors if I can do anything about it or not.06 Reply
Asker+1 yVery well put. I think that guys should realize that it's almost 2015 and that it's not a bad thing to show some emotion. I'm not saying cry, but just being comfortable enough to communicate how they feel without fear of judgment.
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It's not just society generated, young lady; it's also something that's inbuilt in us. Forms a part of the excitement by nature that keeps things going :-) Just that the thought has changed since a while.
Things will change but not to an extent of being 100% the way you hope it will be :)
Asker+1 yLol doesn't have to be a 100% but at least try is all I'm saying.
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You sure find more guys who are not emotionally stuck up now than people around your parent's age did don't you? lol Give evolution time :-)
Asker+1 yLol I guess
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:) :) :)
It's not that guys are emotionally unavailable but more like having a facade to protect one's emotions. Way too many men have had their hearts stomped by women to a point where they are not willing to commit. It's a guy's "firewall" to protect themselves from emotional harm. Women today are too bold, too demanding, too pushy, too materialistic, and way too liberal for most men. Perhaps that could be the reason for today's gay population. Too many men have been emotionally abused by women who want control and want to be in charge. Most guys don't like to lose control. Most guys want to be in charge. Most guys want to be on top. But today's women fight those ideas and that creates the atmosphere that now exists. There is a song written and sung back in the 1960's that sums up what a man wants and what will cause him to take notice & care: Dusty Springfield singing the song "Wishin' and Hopin'". I'd suggest that you should get that recording and listen to it... it will tell you more how to win their attention and heart than any words I can say.
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Asker+1 ySo women are to blame for the way men are when it comes to emotion? Because we rip out hearts and eat them right? Lol.
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+1 yIn response to "I'm not always quick to shed tears and I can be closed off, but I'll always come back and explain what was going on. Guys don't do that."
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The thing is, I want express myself in front of you but I can't always access my feelings on my own. Sharing my feelings is how I'd like to deal with them, but I don't want to look like a pathetic person that no one wants to be friends with let alone partner with.
A lot of the time I actually would prefer expressing myself to girls, rather than being closed off and coming back later. This has only happened to me like 3 times ever, but opening up to someone makes me feel bonded to them and after getting out everything bad that I'm feeling, I feel awesome. After expressing myself, being accepted and getting a hug I feel like I can deal with anything. I want that but I'm so afraid of looking pathetic. People talk constantly about confidence and all that, and being emotionally vulnerable goes in direct opposition to that.
I would argue expressing oneself is far more healthy and that I am the best human I can be when I have special people in my life that I hold nothing back from. In spite of that, the risk of opening up to someone and having them think less of me seems too great. Girls try to be nice when talking about this subject but still always give the impression that they still want a guy to appear strong, and that's all it takes to perpetuate our penchant for stoicism.05 Reply
Asker+1 yWell at least you admit to being afraid of what others may think. You said that you feel better after opening up so which is priority? Feeling better because you opened up or feeling like a man becbecause you didn't?
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What I really want to do is share. Bottling up isn't fun. What I choose to do depends on the circumstances, and I'll ease my way into it to gauge if she is actually wanting to listen to what I might have on my mind. I'll open up more and more if she appears receptive and pull out of she's not. I also have to consider what kind of person she is and how she's going to judge me. The fact is I have no one who I feel accepts me, who I feel comfortable with and I've only felt like I've been able to share my feelings a handful of times in my life. Again, why risk it? It's so much safer (albeit painful) to internalize everything. :(
To be clear, it's not that I feel like a man, I just want to look like one to others because that's apparently what people like, it's all about other people's perspective, not mine. I don't need to feel like a man in my own mind, it's just that girls seem to prefer certain kinds of behaviour and I feel that I have to act a certain way so I'm not forever alone.
Asker+1 yIt seems like you'd willingly set aside your happiness to be what you think everyone wants you to be. That's what I'm getting from your words anyway. Internalizing everything is unhealthy, I know firsthand. At some point you have to release. And if you can't do that with your S. O then that poses a problem.
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I value friendships and partners, those are some things that make me happy. I still be myself, but not going against expectations should mean more people are comfortable around me. Guys act like this to win people over, to have friends and partners, that's our happiness. But people insist on not liking an emotional man (even if it was his choice to open up, not because he's undisciplined), that's no fun. Having friends & partners that have no problem is the trick. But that can be rather hard for a guy.
I'd consider the possibility she would think less of me but I could do it with my SO, though I may hesitate for a moment. Some of the time I might bottle up because just having a SO can be emotionally satisfying enough to allow me to internalize and deal with many things healthily.
Asker+1 yI mean I get what you're saying. I was in a relationship for a year and a half that just ended due to... let's just call it a lack of emotional connection. He never wanted to open up with me, but he opened up to a coworker no problem.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yWhether it is nature or nurture, men and women communicate very differently. If I talk to someone about a problem, I am not looking for emotional support, I am asking for help. If a woman comes to a guy with a problem, he will try to fix her problem. When she clearly doesn't want his help, he often doesn't understand why she is still talking if she doesn't want help, so he tries to avoid the topic altogether.
You say you understand that men are taught to avoid emotions, but you don't understand the emotional toll that takes on a person. Not only do we not know how to handle our own emotions, we often don't know how to handle other peoples emotions. When I have a friend crying in front of me, what am I suppose to do? As a man I am not allowed to cry with them. If I attempt to hold them, it can be seen as sexual. We just stand there confused. I think a lot of this is culture, because it isn't as bad in other countries, but it is so ingrained in us, that it really feels like it is a part of our nature.
Women don't realize it but they are also taught that men are suppose to act a certain way, and even though most of them will deny it, expect us to act that way. Just listen to how often women will use the phrase "real man" in order to shame a man that doesn't act the way she thinks a man is suppose to act. So men eventually learn women expect us to live by our gender roles. The only women we can really open up to are women that we don't plan on having sex with, such as family members. When there is no longer any sexual tension, the guy is finally free to open up.00 Reply
+1 yWe live in a paternal society. Mostly where guys are the decision-maker, they are the only ones who can lift heavy things, work, and multitask at the same time. But we both know that it isn't true. Nowadays, we rarely fit those descriptions. A lot of women step-up in the society, ranking-out men in the social and business sides.
But, it has been a primal instinct of men to not show emotions (more so, women who are raised patriarchally). And, it's been an instinct of almost any human to try and stop emotion, because when they do show emotion it means they give a crap and they don't wanna fall for it. Most times, they just don't have damn f*cking clue of what you really are feeling.
This is just a normal guy behavior. But, there are certain people who can be completely shut-down and don't know how you're feeling but will still make you 'emotionally comfortable'. These are called sociopaths.
So, try asking yourself about the guy you're describing whether he is just stupid and moronic or really he doesn't have the faintest of it all.20 Reply
+1 yGuys are logical and simple creatures and if they say "hey i like you" its exactly what it means they don't know if it's the colour of your eyes, the way you walk, how you dress they are simply attracted to you jeezo women on the other hand pfft we are programmed differently we like to tell our bf i lovr how you look in that top or you look soblablabla i was attracted to because of this or blablabla when "hey i like you" would have been enough for a man we like all that deep emotional talk and men just dont!!! It's not how they are programmed lol
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Asker+1 yLol yes women can go a little overboard sometimes. It's not that I need an in depth article everytime I ask something, but I do need you to be able to express yourself. At least sometimes.
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Im not saying all men!!! but If you ask a guy how does my dress look you will get told it looks nice or no it doesn't if you ask a woman you get told how much it suits you and how it really shows up your eyes and i think this bag would suit or. these shoes would go best with it.
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I am, VERY LOGICAL, VERY METHODICAL, and sometimes I just really like a woman, and I don't know why!! It isn't her clothes, or jewelry, or anything simplistic, but more the 'essence of HER'! I like 'quirky' types, and 'nerdy' types with glasses. I like when she understands my humor, and jokes, or puns, and I like when she's a little 'sassy' and teases me back, when I tease and flirt with her!
There isn't any emotional 'unavailability' because we are just meeting, flirting, and seeing if there is some interest.
Not to say that eye color, or her hair, or just a smile, or look isn't attractive; it's just the first step to getting to know the 'Soft Caramel GOODNESS' of who she is!
386 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. boys from about 8 are told not to cry or be overly emotional so it's very hard for a lot of guys to break from that training. it's an issue that not many people even think about or understand.
It's not like boys have no emotions it's that most guys are "unable" to show them.
if you ever have a boy when you're ready make sure he's allowed to cry and be as emotional as any girl. :)76 Reply
Asker+1 yI will allow my son to express himself. He he's hurt (physically or emotionally) I'm not gonna say "hey son, suck it up! Crying is for sissies!" lol.
Asker+1 yYes sometimes you just need to cry it out. It doesn't make you weak or less of a man. And I wouldn't tell my son that he can't cry.
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You should tell him that he can. The primary source of these notions is peer pressure, other kids laughing at you for crying as a male.
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It's actually not a bad thing to teach a kid to "suck it up." They should be taught to be strong and do overcome difficulties. But yes, I agree, boys should be "allowed" to cry and to express their feelings like a normal human being. It's true that peer pressure is involved: after all, most boys are told that they are "not supposed to cry" or "act like a girl," and your son will naturally attempt to behave like the other boys.
Asker+1 yAgreed. It'll come naturally. No need to force them into being "manly".
I think you are with immature, or the wrong guys. It isn't about 'crying' like a lot of the responses seem to focus on, right? It's about the close, intimacy, the letting go of the self-conscious fears, trusting, knowing that he REALLY, HONESTLY ADORES you!!!
Everyone can get hurt, being too open, too honest, too trusting, but how can you find TRUE LOVE, REAL TRUST, without COMPLETE HONESTY?
What is most important, to you? Do you need a 'HOT' guy, that treats you like sht, or would you like a guy that like YOU, for YOU, and actually likes that you're a little 'soft and cuddly' when you snuggle under the blankets when it is cold outside?
I'm TOTALLY AVAILABLE with the 'soft and cuddly' kind of girl!!!07 Reply
Asker+1 yWell I'm not a shallow person. I'm not focused on how "hot" a guy is lol. Looks only go so far. But you're right, anyone can get hurt by being too open. But sometimes that's a chance worth taking.
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I never meant to imply that you were in any way 'shallow', but maybe that others that you trusted, maybe weren't good role models for what you want! We all seem to select the 'familiar', what we know, what we have seen, and what others we respect do.
Sometimes these aren't the best, and it is OK to question, and choose something different!!
I like getting to know someone, being friends, but thinking there might be more, but taking some time, getting comfortable, trusting, and knowing.
Most don't do it, that way, but I wonder why? I need to know a person before I can really feel like I want to be intimate. Isn't that what 'friendship' and 'dating' is all about?
I actually like close, cuddling, being with someone I really like, and care for, than just a casual night together. . .
Asker+1 yWell I'm the same way. I'm not one to just jump into something without taking time. I like to learn people. And I'm not really into casual dating. And I'm learning that most guys are kind of ok with opening up about little things, but when it comes to the heavy stuff they completely check out. For relationships to work successfully both parties need to be 100% willing to be open and honest. Guys have issues with that.
Asker+1 yI get it. Women have those trust issues too. I know I do. And I always tell the person that I'm seeing that. I think some men have this preconceived notion that all women do is sit around talking about their feelings. That's not the case for me. It takes a while, but when I'm in a relationship then I need to trust my partner and know that he trusts me. And that includes being able to communicate how he feels without feeling like less of a man or feeling like I'm gonna judge him or use it against him.
Asker+1 ySame here.
+1 ycould it be "a twisted culture of society" ? ? ? ? ( thanks obama! )
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could also be biological.
for men, there is a delay going over the corpus callosum into the other side of the brain.
usually, one side of the brain dominates socially, while the other dominates abstractly. THIS IS NOT ":LEFT BRAIN, RIGHT BRAIN" BULLSHIT. the sides can be flipped in some people, and some might also be completely balanced, so that no side dominates the other.
so explanation aside, a guy has a more difficult time taking social messages back and forth.
its literally a little harder for them. they are not faking it, and it's not quite socially integrated.01 Reply
Asker+1 yThey have to at least be willing to try.
+1 yHonestly, a lot of us grew up, no still grow up with the belief that it's a sign of weakness to show certain emotions. We try to maintain the image of being strong, logical, etc. That showing certain emotions makes us as men look weak, easy to push around and well... "unmanly". That we think girls don't like a guy who acts on their emotions or says specific things from the heart (plus we feel lame). Because of that we keep it to ourselves, burry those feelings deep down. It sucks but that's just how we are.
00 Reply1.5K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Part of it might intate, but society definitely reinforces it.
I know I'm probably going to get downvoted for this but...
For me I see emotions as weakness, like babies are weak and they give in and express their emotions. However it takes strength to be able to supresss your emotions and push them aside in order to remain in control. Showing emotions makes me feel weak while being stoic makes me feel strong and in control. I prefer to feel strong and in control rather than weak and vulnerable. It doesn't mean I won't or can't open up/express my feelings just that I would like to be very selective with who I trust with my emotions.01 Reply
Asker+1 yVery well put. I'm not asking for you to be unmasculine or trade in your strength. I understand the need to be strong and manly and all that. That's fine. All I ask is that you be able to communicate your feelings to me and that you show that you are at least paying attention and aware of mine.
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+1 yMost guys are taught that it's not manly to show your tender feelings to your partner. You have to challenge them to get them to open up when you want to talk about intimate feelings with them.
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Asker+1 yI get that. So let me ask you this: Why is it easier for a guy to exress himself after he's already ruined the relationship?
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because then it does not matter, he've allready lost the girl. There's nothing left to loose, and nothing to gain. So telling EXACTLY what you feel carry no concequense.
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Then he feels guilty about it, and guilt is a powerful motivator to unlock one's feelings!
Asker+1 yAnd guys say that girls are complicated.
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Yes, that's a real stupid stereotype, no?
Asker+1 yYup.
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If you mean "guys are taught by experience with women not to show tender feelings" then I completely agree, haha.
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Guys aren't any more or less complicated than girls are, however guys are less expressive regarding their emotional state.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI think if you look at some of the posts here on GAG you can see that girls don't have a very high opinion of quiet or introverted guys to begin with. Add on that they think of them as weak/unmanly etc.. etc.. Guys hear this! They are told they lack masculinity if they're not the smooth talking jerk. Now factor in the expectation that they express deep personal thoughts/feelings or even emotion. How do you think they will react to being prompted to express their inner feelings. We have this expectation that guys have to be totally macho and showing feelings/emotions is going to go against that expectation. I have to say I sympathize a little with the guys on this one. Maybe this is off topic but if women would take an interest in the guys in the background and even do some of the pursuing, they may get some much better results in getting guys to open up.
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Asker+1 yAll that being said, I'll keep saying what I've been saying throughout this entire thread. I understand all of that. Guys have it harder. I get it. But it's not an excuse. If you're in a relationship you should be able to communicate and express yourself.
Opinion Owner+1 yOf course, that's an expectation all of us have with partners. I don't think I'm saying one side is right and one is wrong. What I am saying is WOMEN and their attitudes about guys certainly don't help. Saying or insinuating that a guy is unmanly is insulting and this is only one example. The fear of appearing unmanly is present in a number of other situations, shy guys are told they're unmanly, quiet guys, intellectual guys and even skinny guys. All I'm saying is this is just one battlefront in a much larger war.
Asker+1 yBut where did you get unmanly from? I didn't say anything about anyone being unmanly. I just want to be able to have an adult conversation with my bf about how he feels without feeling like I'm pulling teeth. That's all.
Opinion Owner+1 yI'm sorry, your right you didn't say unmanly. I was actually referring to other posts where girls called shy/quiet guys unmanly and weak. It wasn't you. My apologies!
Asker+1 yIt's ok! I was just confused. I wouldn't attack someone for being why or introverted or anything. Definitely wouldn't call them unmanly.
1.7K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. There is a time and place for everything, there is a time to feel emotional and a time not to. Things like pain and death there is no use crying over them. As for children, they are meant to be tempered and forged like steel into men and women, grown adults, show emotion, show love, show them tenderness etc but do not baby them teach them to be strong, dependable, confident because the world is a cruel and horrible place and it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. But the world can also be a great place if you don't let it and its rules define who you are, but instead forge your own path.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yTwo reasons, the first being genetics. Male brains are wired differently than female brains and we are just not naturally inclined to think about and discuss our emotions the way females are.
Secondly, men are not "supposed to" share their emotions. Men who cry or talk about certain things are unattractive to women. You can argue otherwise until you're blue in the face but it will never change that fact. Most women, if they are honest about it (and that's a big IF) will tell you they are put off by men who are openly emotional. It's a female behavior that is unattractive on a male. And that is also a genetic thing.21 Reply
Asker+1 yI completely understand the whole "that's the way the male brain is works" thing. I'm aware that guys are taught to think differently when it comes to emotions.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yYou should read this article…
www.psychologytoday.com/.../the-crying-game
It explains it pretty well.
I also think that most guys need to really trust and feel comfortable around someone to be able to express their feelings to them. I think this is a big part of it because I am a girl and I still hate people seeing me cry cause I don't want them to think that I am weak. The only person I feel comfortable enough to cry in front of is my little brother. So, maybe he just needs some more time to feel completely close with you, then he can talk about deeper things without feeling ashamed of himself.
I do like though when a guy can open up to you because it is so rare to see, so when it does happen, it makes you feel like you are really important to him. There is a deeper level of trust and understanding.01 Reply
Asker+1 yTotally agreed. I'm the same way, which is why I keep stressing the fact that it's not about crying and the such. More about being able to communicate what you're feeling. I do get that it's a comfort thing. That goes for everyone. Thanks for the article!
For me, it's not because of an illusion of manliness, or fear of judgment, or anything of the sort.
On some level, you just have to accept that we don't deal with problems the same way you ladies do. Different chemistry, different hormones. It's been my experience in relationships that things that really bother my partner don't phase me in the same way, whether it's rude people at the store, a fight with a friend, or something else.11 Reply
Asker+1 yI do accept it. I know men and women are wired differently. 9 times out of 10 I don't press the issue. In this case, there was clearly something wrong and it was ongoing. Even still, I only asked about it once and then left it alone. It became a problem when he was able to spill his guts to a female coworker. And when confronted, he called me nosey bitch. Real nice way to treat the person you've been in a relationship with for a year and a half.
It’s not true for either sex to say “most.” Perhaps you are attracting men not emotionally available, which generally means you are putting that aura out there that you might be available as well. Dig a little deeper and ask yourself what you really and truly want in a man and stick to those things by praying and repeating it often and you will change the energy of what you are attracting.
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Asker+1 yThank you for your insight. I actually have done that ironically. I sat and thought maybe it's me. But it's a common factor. And not just in the men that I'm involved with romantically, but friends too.
+1 yI have never been able to trust a girl with my emotions because of how immature they all were with me growing up... the first girl i dated who was 27 told me she was not like that and i placed my trust in her for the first time and opened up... later for her only to tell me she didn't want to lead me on and she completely broke me. Now I find im very cold with dates and can't fall in love anymore...
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Asker+1 yWell that certainly is unfortunate, but understandable. I've been there. I AM there right now in fact.
Well most guys will show their feelings to the one who they love. But that does not come in the way a girl show it. Like a guy will not always make special cards or write how much he love you, or keep on hugging u infront of your friends etc. (I had a girl who broke up with me for lack of public desplays) so if you try to measure it in that way you will be disappointed. But a guy will let you feel. You will see and feel it on a date or anywhere that you 2 are alone.
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Asker+1 yI don't need a guy to do all that. It would be a sweet surprise if he did, but it's not necessary. He does need to be able to communicate how he feels tho.
Asker+1 yLol yea. Guys are just as confusing as girls are.
well not sure about other guys who are told to sheild their emotions from the wolrd but I have gone through the route of acepting my emotions. I feel joy happiness, passion, sorrow and loss just as any other human being. I know that I feel an emotion during a situation for a very valid reason but i will never let my emotions rule my actions or judgement of a situation if it can be helped.
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Asker+1 yWell that's good. I don't think anyone should let emotions rule them. And I think that not ever showing any is letting them rule you in the long run
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+1 yBecause showing your emotions is a weakness, especially for men. Women who claim they want this usually are not honest--with themselves!
Moreover, successful men learn to "compartmentalize", so that problems in one's personal life do not impact one's job, for example.01 Reply
Asker+1 yCompartmentalizing is not just a male thing. I do that too. And I don't need you to cry on my shoulder everyday, but I do need you to be able to communicate how youyou're feeling to me if we're in a relationship.
+1 yAs males we are programmed differently from women, is it culturally or do our differences in hormones determine this.
Not forgetting on average Women are in general better communicators then Men. We do have feelings and are emotionally available but Women show more empathy than Men.
It is not deemed Manly to voice your everyday feelings, we are taught to get on with it and only Women moan.010 Reply
Asker+1 yWell I personally don't moan about anything unless it's an orgasm. And you don't need to voice your feelings, but if I ask you something you did need to be able to express yourself.
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By the very same reasoning why are women so over the top with their feeling? Not disagreeing with you but can you see what I mean?
Asker+1 yWell that could be for the same reason every guy has answered this question with the whole "that's the way our brains are wired" thing. It really depends what your definition of "over the top" is.
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OK If I'm totally honest its a blend of culturally being told thats not a manly thing to do. You must admit that is evident in a lot of cultures. A fear of being vulnerable, to be honest and open up is to be truly open. However that is not to say women analyse more, for example if I have a disagreement in work I might mention it when I come home I might not however If my wife has we will be reliving the moment step by step, bless her.
Asker+1 yWell that's how most women are. We'd rather tell you that we're in a bitchy mood bc of something that happened at work instead of having you play a guessing game as to why we're in a bad mood.
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I like your way of thinking however sometimes women have a policy that us emotionally backward men should know what your thinking, with these so called subtly hints. I for one am rubbish at reading them. To be honest I would be more upset if my football team lost than anything that happens at work, sounds real cavemanish but is it really if most men think the same? Anyway you have a good out look on I have a question I have asked and am a little confused again I am not good at reading signs.
Asker+1 yA little confused as to what you're saying at the end. Are you asking if you can ask me a question? If so then sure you can.
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If you don't mind I have posted a question about my best mate who is a girl. If you go on my profile page it is asked on there. Thank you
Asker+1 yDone
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Thank you
+1 yI think it requires time that they feel ready to share feelings with you. They are not unavailable , they are just more sensitive. Growing up as a girl, we learnt how to share quickly. But they experience how to share. That is more painful in my opinion.
It does not happen often; but it does happen.04 Reply
Asker+1 yI understand and agree but if we're in a relationship I feel like constantly telling your S. O that you don't want to talk is a problem.
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Yeah it really is. If he never tries, i can imagine; it bothers you. I guess it is more related with individual. There is no more gender issue. That person is not open to share and it is not really related with being a man anymore. It does take time to open up generally. ıf it never happens. you need to tell that it does not work for you.
Asker+1 yIt's not just him tho. I watch and listen and see how my guy friends are too. I get why it's easy for them to be that way. It still doesn't make it ok.
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It is about him; not being a man. Have you ever talked to him about it? What he says?
Some guys do show emotion in different ways a touch a smile may not seem much to you but it is for them some tease or are really playful show there love (or if they are really mean about it they just don't liKe u)
Men may convert emotions into other emotions example vulnerability sadness into anger01 Reply
Asker+1 yLol I'm not mean. I just want the guy I'm in a relationship with to be able to express himself and communicate his feelings to me.
It's not that I as a man am emotionally unavailable, it's just that my emotional availability is prorated. Not every one is going to get the priveledges that come with my emotional availability. It's worth more than gold, so I am sure to only allocate resources in good markets.
You might think of it as practicing good emotional economics and frugality. Sort of like being on an emotional budget.01 Reply
Asker+1 yLol I mean that makes sense.
emotions yes we have them and we stuff them so that we do not look weak to others so that every thing looks under contol and were kings of our pride. its pride that makes us do this and its destructive. all guys do it some of us just learn to look past the lie we keep telling our selves
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Asker+1 yI'm glad someone finally mentioned pride because it's a huge factor in all of this.
It get girls frustrated. It makes them want guys to not be like that, and so the girls think they can tame guys by getting in a relationship with them. So guys learn to be unavailable so girls will want them. IF guys are exactly what girls want without being in a relationship, the girl thinks its ok to just stay friends.
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Asker+1 yWell I meant after they're already in the relationship. And I don't go into relationships wanting to tame a guy. Or change him. But I do want him to be able to communicate how he feels and be aware of my feelings as well.
+1 yControversial to the popular belief, we guys are just as complicated as girls! However, I find that the average guy is only 'emotionally available' to people he is comfortable with. I personally wouldn't share my deeper feeling and thoughts with a person I wasn't connected to. If you want a guy to open up to you, then get to know him. Take him out, hang out with him, share your thoughts. Don't be a stalker, though. Be a genuine friend.
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Asker+1 yWell I would like to think that if we're in a relationship that he's comfortable. I was in a relationship that lasted for 5 years and he had issues with expressing himself and his feelings so...
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Perhaps he just isn't interested in sharing his feelings. If that is the case, I would try to make him interested. Like I said, share your feelings. Ask him questions, and engage him in conversation. Hopefully, he'll become interested and open up to you. I wish you the best of luck!
Asker+1 yThank you for that!
I'm a hyper-sensitive overgrown baby with delicate feather like feelings. It's in my nature, born a pacifist with a soft tofu heart.
But being natured in this world, I actually turned violent after 21 years and lost my tenderness, my true nature. It's so sad, but I lost myself and turn into something else that society wants me to be, a "manly man with a masculine and tough disposition".03 Reply
Asker+1 yLol well hopefully you can gain some of it back.
I dont think only guys do this. a lot of woman do it too. I mean think about it. Guys have feelings aswell, guys get hurt to, guys put up walls also, just like girls Have you ever been hurt? and met a new guy and havnt shown your feelings the same way? well i know ihave. Everytime a guy hurts me i build my walls higher and i show less and less emotions, because i think showing 100% emotions when things aren't so serious yet ends up with heartbreak, its easier not to get hurt.
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Asker+1 yI'm talking about when they are serious. If you can't express yourself to me and we are in a serious relationship then that's a problem. I don't feel like I'm wrong for feeling that way.
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+1 yBecause when they do "open up" emotionally, the girl runs away.
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Asker+1 yGirls run away. Women don't. At least I don't.
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nice response QA!
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Exactly.. I'm drawn toward a man who is not only confident with a slight of arrogance but when in the right setting can express emotion. Feelings are huge with me. There is a difference between a person acting emotionally babyish and expressively strong.
Asker+1 yExactly. Nobody is saying that you have to walk around with your heart on your sleeve, but you need to be able to express yourself with me. And there is definitely a difference.
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I can definitely understand running away from emotional crybabies, but the thing is, that's what guys now think of when they hear "emotional" nowadays and they steer far away from that image. Anything that seems like he'll be viewed that way ends up being "that guy" who meets a girl and just pours out all these tears and all that. There's plenty of legitimate situations where a guy is genuinely down and now cannot express anything to the girl because he knows she'll be unable to handle the burden. He'd rather keep her and let it slide and understand she's not able to handle it and get a therapist instead of risk losing her. Guys just accept these kinds of things.
Asker+1 yBut how does he know if she can handle it or not if he doesn't even give her a chance? He just assumes.
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He doesn't really know if she can handle it, but he assume she can't because why risk it? There's so much talk about confidence that it seems natural to not want to compromise our confidence act. Even though girls like to say it's ok to show negative emotions they still admit to not liking a wuss, so how are we supposed to know where that line is? We don't know and that's why we don't risk it. You say it's ok to show sadness but when you talk about not liking a wuss then we feel like we aren't entitled to being sad, really sad. I get that getting super whiny is bad, but I think we all give women so much more leeway when is comes to crying and feeling sad and helpless.
Does that make sense? @Asker
Asker+1 yIt makes sense but not every girl is the same. I feel like if you're hurt to the point that you might crythen you should. I don't think that's being a wuss. I'm not saying you have to cry it out everytime. Or even cry in front of me. But be able to express to me why you were so upset. Society does give a lot of leeway to women but contrary to popular belief, not all women are blubbering idiots. I'm not always quick to shed tears and I can be closed off, but I'll always come back and explain what was going on. Guys don't do that.
+1 yI'd wager most guys approach their first ever crushes in quite the opposite way, with their emotions plainly on the surface. But it will almost always lead to rejection and pain so they start to hide them. Most emotionally distant guys you meet will have been conditioned to be like that because they think it's what women want.
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Asker+1 yUnderstandable. But women are not the only ones that do the rejecting. That works both ways. I get what you're saying. But there's always the option to go against the grain and just be open, especially if you're in a relationship.
Guys never show emotion but deep down the feel everything. Around school I've constantly been told I had the look on my face like I wanted to kill someone, but even then I could have just hooked up with a girlfriend and been the happiest man on earth, guys are basically a book with no cover at all (well most). I never just walk around with a smile on me at all but I'm never frowning either, I'm just normal blank expression, but inside I could be depressed or I could be happy.
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+1 yMost women don't care about a guys emotions. Besides guys solve their problems by doing what need to be done to solve it, they don't talk about it with every single person they talk to regularly. Being emotionally available means that guys are your crutch. Unless you at a friend or we really like you we don't have time for all the problems
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Asker+1 yNo. Being emotionally available means that you are able to communicate your feelings when you're in a freakin relationship.
I LOVE it when a girl opens herself to me.
With me, my girl can cry as much as she wants and vents as much as she wants, I'm always available. In fact I take it as my primary responsibility to take care of her emotional health.
We show the world that we're tough, but every guy has a soft side which your guy has not opened up yet.07 Reply
Asker+1 yWhile that sounds awesome, can you allow me to do the same? Would you feel comfortable enough to let me take care of you when you're upset? Would you even tell me?
Asker+1 yI guess that makes sense. Buy even then it's still hard for them to break the habit.
Asker+1 yAnd that was the problem. There would clearly be something wrong but when I would ask he would brush me off.
Asker+1 yWell I guess he didn't because we're not together right now.
In my thoughts, men don't carry their heart on their shoulders. Many women tend to hurt guys and use them, so guys can be reserved and hold in a lot of things to avoid that. Of course there are guys who are just assholes and could care less about anyone's feelings. takes all kinds i guess, just look for the real men out there, they care.
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Asker+1 yMen hurt women. Women hurt men. It's like a never ending cycle lol.
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+1 yWhy are guys so emotionally unavailable?
Likely conditioning from patriarchal traditional gender roles where being emotional is a female flaw/hassle.
" It's so annoying and frustrating."
To you and some gals (how many is a toss up). To me it's a huge plus seeing as I find I already have a society going on and on about what guys want I don't really desire to hear guys talk about their feelings.012 Reply- +1 y
@Roycaryn
Looks that way to you. Bit curious as to what it is I'm trying to prove... o. o - +1 y
@roycaryn
Framing it in other words didn't answer the question: 'what it is I'm trying to prove'.
It seems like you were just making some snarky comment probably due to being butthurt.
It also seems like you lack reading comprehension because I didn't boil down any feelings.
The patriarchy soundbite you're likely so butthurt about is saying guys are probably seen as unemotional because of those gender roles of what is manly/masculine. Something pretty much every answer here says in a way.
Others downvoting me doesn't mean they came to the same conclusion you did. That's quite a logic leap of yours to appearingly think 'downvotes = you look like a really shitty individual'.
LMFAO @ you seemingly using sheep mentality for support. - +1 y
Alright, I think you're trying to prove to yourself of some preconception that all men mock, dismiss, and belittle women and their thoughts/feelings the first chance they get like's its a national pastime.
I know better to be butthurt about a comment like this. Given what you read above, I'm curious as to how accurate my "snarky comment" really is?
Are you suggesting what drives mens' reluctance to be upfront about their feelings is because the patriarchy teaches them that doing so attributes them 'inferior' female characteristics? How is this not oversimplifcation? Of course, society's conditioning of men to be doctors, lawyers, etc, (anything "professional" and/or high-status) plays a part, But its more complicated than that.
You do have a point with the downvote button. Ofc if I made a post with an overused MGTOW cliche, the women would likely not react so strongly. Contrast this with the fact that a typical man must face emotional rejection by society his entire life. - +1 y
@Roycaryn
How from my answer that traditional gender roles dissuade guys from being emotional and I don't really care to hear guys feelings did you get 'preconception that all men mock, dismiss, and belittle women and their thoughts/feelings the first chance they get like's its a national pastime'? o. O
Are you seriously asking me to seemingly contrast gals being so used and normalized to sexist belittling misogynistic commsnts to the 'emotional rejection by society' a guy must face 'his entire life'? If so you are aware you just showed that gals are also being emotionally rejected by society to the point it's just another thing to dismiss to them?
I think you are butthurt as it seems you have some male victimhood complex with your so-called 'fact' - +1 y
Consider it an educated and as I said it is my impression of what I thought you were trying to prove. Judging by the contents of your second paragraph, it certainly seems that way.
Getting into a debate over which gender suffers more by society's standards is pointless since pain, heartache, etc. are entirely subjective. I said that men are expected to be able to jump through an endless series of professional, social, and romantic hoops in order to function in society. This is, at heart, the main reason most men try and settle down later in life; to escape all that. I simply don't see how I've all of a sudden got some "male-victimhood complex" by pointing out that men have problems too. - +1 y
@Roycaryn
The contents of my second paragraph are pointing out the logical fallacy of your scenario that gals not reacting so strongly against MGTOW.
Do tell what judging method are you using to get 'all men mock, dismiss, and belittle women and their thoughts/feelings the first chance they get like's its a national pastime'?
You're unnecessarily pointing out men have problems. Nowhere in my answer did I state, suggest, or imply men don't have problems... because I didn't even mention it.
Yet here you are reading some off the wall projection into my answer that you felt you had to go on an on about how 'men have problems too'. ... keyword too as if I excluded guys from having problems when I wasn't even talking about gender problems in the first place. - +1 y
What I was getting at there is that most women recognize the deulsional views that MGTOW apparently have of women and that these men are a small minority, hence not worth giving a fuss over. I could still be mistaken about that.
How were you not talking about gender issues when you said that girls being belittled, normalized etc. and comparing that to what I mentioned about men?
Perhaps through the same way you concluded that I was butthurt. - +1 y
Are you trolling or deliberately obtuse? When I stated I wasn't talking about gender issues in the first place I meant I wasn't talking about gender issues in my answer.
I only just began talking about gender issues because of your contrast scenario was a gender issue.
Nowhere in my answer was any gender issues or any need for you to harp on 'men have probkems too'. - +1 y
Don't try to bs as if I've been talking about gender issues when I only made a single statement due to your gender issue scenario where you asked me to contrast.
I've had plenty to conclude you are buuthurt with a male victimhood complex.
1. I state guys seem unemotional because of traditional gender roles and I don't care to listen to guys feelings... and you get 'all men mock, dismiss, and belittle women and their thoughts/feelings the first chance they get like's its a national pastime.'... O. O
(I'm still waiting on how you got that logic leap)
2. I didn't make any gender issue statements... and you create a scenario to contrast what women go through vs what men go through.
3. I didn't state, suggest, imply, or mention men don't have problems because I wasn't even talking about any gender's problems... and you go on an on about how 'men have problems too' as if I excluded men have having problems.
any compari - +1 y
So enough of your bs (I won't be responding any more except to laugh) unless you:
1. Show me where in my answer was I trying to prove 'all men mock, dismiss, and belittle women and their thoughts/feelings the first chance they get like's its a national pastime.'
2. Show me where in my answer I exclude men from having problems
3. Show me where in my answer I talk about gender issues
+1 yThese "most guys" are likely at the lower end of the spectrum for intelligence and independent thinking. To have a stone (or one's stones :P) for a heart is the result of the ideas that are impressed upon us since early days, or more specifically, the result of accepting and abiding by those ideas. Commonly, a smarter fellow will question these notions of masculinity and emotionlessness and, seeing reason, reject them. So you see, there are guys out there comfortable in their emotions.
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Asker+1 yLol well said. I don't doubt that there are. They're just few and far between.
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So too are desert oases, but one would be foolish to just flop down in the scorching sand and be content.
Asker+1 yTouche.
2.4K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Being emotional = not being able to handle certain situations = not being dominant = not being fit to lead
Girls want a guy to lead, ergo they don't want an emotional guy. Let's face it, girls are more emotional than guys, and if a guy can't handle his own emotions then how could he handle a girl's emotions?
I think guys will continue to be emotionally unavailable as long as the burden of leadership is pushed onto them.15 Reply
Asker+1 yI disagree. Being emotional does not mean that you're incapable of handling a situation. And you're basically saying that if you're emotional then you can't be a leader?
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I'm not saying it, society is. It's a social stigma. Look all around you. Look at all the leaders in society. How do they act? Are they blubbering little emotional men? No. They're calm, composed, stoic. They know how to handle things and nothing fazes them. Otherwise the whole world would fall to shit (more so than it already is).
Asker+1 yFuck society. I'm pretty sick of that excuse.
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So you gave a reason as to why women can be in professional powerful positions
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can't
Honestly, I dont even know what that means on the level that you are asking. I guess I am not emotionally available. But, know that i will open up after I have some drinks like half to three quarters of a bottle of wine if we then talked about things like my mom's death or other close to the heart topics. i won't be happy with myself the next day but if you handled it right I might continue to trust you and open up more. Perhaps this insight will help you, perhaps not.
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+1 ybecause we have to protect ourselfes from emotional harm caused by multiple rejections (we are the one expected to make a move and we get rejected all the time). if we didn´t do it, most guys would suffer from depression or even be suicidal. you better learn to deal with that frurstration... dealing with the pain of rejection is much worse.
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Asker+1 yI have dealt with rejection. How the depression that stems from keeping stuff bottled all the time.
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yeah so could you imagine being rejected that often, that you chose not to have feelings for guys you´d be with anymore? cause i think that´s the case for some guys.
Asker+1 yOk so if you're in a relationship you don't show emotions?
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well i never was in one XD i am not used to show emotions though. i´d have to get used to it.
Asker+1 yLol well yea, you would.
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i can understand though why one might choose not to.
Women lose respect for a vulnerable man. They say they dont but from my experiance they do.
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I partly agree with this. A lot of women want a manly man, which collectively acts a form of social construct. Making men see vulnerability as the enemy.
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@ForeverFSixteen that's why I kinda feel like if someone specifically states that they want their partner to be "manly", then I trust them less.
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@Mesonfielde I think being a man includes being able to fully accept all of your emotions. Regardless of what they may be.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yWomen only want that from guys they're married too, or in a serious relationship with. Not from the guy they're having casual sex with. From a guys point of view it's not worth it. Women don't respect that. On the same note, it's silly to think a guy that isn't emotionally open eventually will... via a long drawn relationship.
It's the female version of trying to make "a ho a house wife"... trying to make a cold, emotionally closed off dude sensitive is unrealistic.01 Reply
Asker+1 yWe were in a serious relationship...
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yMen don't necessarily have emotions the way women tend to. Their brains often don't work that way. Yes, social conditioning may enhance that aspect, but it's often fairly innate.
Some of this conditioning is done by the women they like. When they can't take a man expressing a negative emotion about himself (which is just about always), it helps reinforce a that emotions are bad. And if an emotion is felt, that it shouldn't be shared with a woman.01 Reply
Asker+1 yIt's like a neverending cycle. Too often we (men and women) let situations and circumstances with other people set the tone for every situation and circumstance in the future.
+1 yIf your boyfriend is soft and shows or tells his feelings you have a girlfriend men are there to work and put food on the table. Especially where I'm from we work oilfield and after getting a cussing or cussing at someone it's hard to be all cute and touchy when we get home. That's why whiskey was invented
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Asker+1 yOk because that's not sexist. I can work and put food on my own table. I don't NEED a man for that. I do need for the man that I'm in a serious relationship with to be able to communicate.
+1 yThey were probably taught at an early age to toughen up and man up. I think that's unfair. When my abuela (my dad's mom) passed away, my dad didn't even show his feelings at all. He just stood there acting strong and tough. Same with my brothers.
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Asker+1 yYea. It's sad. My dad did the same thing at aunt's funeral. He sat next to me like a statue. I was crying my eyes out next to him and didn't even look at me, comfort me, offer me a tissue. Nothing.
975 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Maybe because they're taught to suppress their emotions at a young age.
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Asker+1 yYea I get that. At some point that has to stop being an excuse.
Asker+1 yI get that that's how they're brought up and that's how society expects them to be. But if we're in a relationship and you can't communicate to me that you feel a certain way, then that's a problem.
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Obviously. But you have to understand that it's not like flipping a switch. They can't go from suppressing their emotions to spilling all the beans within seconds. That's not how it works. It's a very slow process, and what you need patience and understanding. Otherwise they won't be able to open up to you.
Asker+1 yI understand that. Please don't talk to me like I'm stupid. I know it's not as simple as flipping a switch. Like I said, I don't need you to cry on my shoulder and all that. But if I'm in a relationship and you can't express anything then that's a problem for me. I don't know about anyone else, but that's just me.
Asker+1 yVery frustrating.
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its all a theater. an ugly theater. society. its not only men that are nurtured this way though. we had a sensitive shy poet guy in college and most girls went like "are you gay or something"? what do you expect then from men? no its not only nurtured. its fukin gained experience dear.
Asker+1 yDoes he have to be overly sensitive? No. Does he need to cry on my shoulder every night? Nope. Does he need to be able to communicate and express himself like an adult? Yes he does.
Some guys are not even taught it it just comes naturally because as they get into more and more relationships and shit goes to hell and the guy fell in deep infatuation or love with the girl they go through so much shit and so much cold feelings from their ex then thats when they learn to tighten up and never feel again until that person who has the key comes and unlocks the gate to the hear with so many chains from over the years.
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+1 yMmmm, well I have troubles figuring out how I really feel till after something has happened, so that might be why? Unless something is either so good or so bad it completely overwhelms me I don't express it cause even I don't know it or it showing emotion isn't what's wanted, at least I don't think anyone wants to see it
00 Replyguys are considered the stronger sex. it is a weakness if people know how to get him to cry or so.
all in one it is just a self defence mechanism put up, same as for the girls who reject almost every guy cause she has built up a barrier to.. eh-em "filter the good guys from the bad guys".00 Reply
+1 ygirls almost never date the romantic, poet, sensitive, shy guy, or some do for a short amount of time. when you choose the agressive macho a-holes you get what you wished for. at least you'll have a better time for a while down there. or so, some women say...
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and you choose them for various reasons. they are go getters, they have leadership, usualy a good job, a strong panty wetting aura, and money. or if they are fortune hunters you want them for a while for their bed. but thats all you'll get from the later category. these narcissistic sociopaths aren't capable of feeling much...
Asker+1 yWell I can't speak for all women. I personally migrate more towards those types because I have more in common with them.
+1 yGuys have emotions but they don't usually show them to other people and keep it to themselves. Because that's the way society teaches them to be from a young age. Nevertheless i think guys care about their parteners feelings as much as girls but just don't show it as much and many feel it kinda awkward to have those emotional talks...
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Asker+1 yUnderstood. I just feel like after a while the whole "that's what society teaches them" thing becomes a crutch.
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I mean you can tell him anytime that you want to have a talk about feelings. Just because society tells them thats the way to behave doesn't mean they should blindly follow it...
Asker+1 yYou get it. At some point you have to make your own decisions.
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+1 yGuys aren't emotionally unavailable, but guys do not feel the same way girls do. And for a guy to open up he really has to trust you. And some guys just don't ever... they aren't mature enough or reflective enough.
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Asker+1 yHmm. I guess that's one way to look at it. I mean I get the whole trust thing. That goes for me too. It's like you said, some guys never do. No matter what a girl does. Which brings me to the question of how you can be involved with someone and not be willing to open up?
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they want companionship and perhaps sex if they are getting that... but nothing more. IT means you have to decide if that is all you want, and if not move on. That is why they say to guard your heart. Don't give it to someone that can't take it or doesn't want it.
Asker+1 yThis is true. And I don't give it away easily, which is why when I do and things like that happen, I get frustrated.
632 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I think girls are more open about their feelings, especially to other girls.
But believe me, if you'd be sitting next to me and feel bad, I would care and I would make time to listen to you. For sure!01 Reply
Asker+1 yLol well that's good to know. Thank you!
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