What are your thoughts on the MGTOW lifestyle?

[Anonymous]

I'm actually intrigued by this lifestyle. It provides some home for men who are unwanted by women, that they can find other ways of being content, and don't need a woman to be happy in their lives. I don't see anything wrong with that. Yeah, there are some bad apples among MGTOW, but they're just giving a bad name to this lifestyle.

What should a man do if he has a lot of love within him, but women think that his love is not worthy of reciprocating? It is MUCH more difficult for men to find a woman, than the other way round because women are way too passive and men need to put in all the efforts to 'earn' the love and affection of a woman. And in spite of their best efforts, they are still rejected for whatever reasons.

The basic human need to love and be loved, has now become satisfiable only for a privileged few. And when men aren't part of this privileged club, it does make sense for them to be a part of MGTOW rather than waste their life trying over and over again to win a woman's love, and be left disappointed anyway.

You may believe that men who can't get a woman have some fault within themselves, but it's not always true. There are a lot of men who are reasonably good looking, have a good sense of humor, pleasing personality, and also decent education and job, yet women never consider these men ad potential dating material. And MGTOW gives a ray of hope for such man to lead happy lives, without depending on a woman's presence in their lives.

So what are your views about this? Both men and women can answer.

[TheTruthExposed]

The social shaming of MGTOW here, particularly by other men, is typical. As MGTOW represents an existential threat to women - I can see why they use the shaming language. But the men... what up? Why the shaming of men that don't kiss women's butts - by other men? Are you really men or women masquerading as men?

MGTOW is mostly about not getting married and not allowing women to have and level of psychological, emotional financial, legal, physical or social power in your life. Why? Over the past several decades, tens upon tens of millions of men's lives have been destroyed through alimony, child support and parental alienation. False accusations of DV are a common tactic used by women to get custody in divorce. A growing trend is to falsely accuse men of rape. Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of these men committed suicide as a result of divorce and false accusations.

Attachment = Dependency and Fear. MGTOW is about not attaching to women or allowing women to define your sense of identity and self-worth.

I've lived the MGTOW lifestyle (which is a confirmed bachelor lifestyle) for years and am loving it. I turn down offers of relationships with women because I no longer need or want a woman in my life. The last woman I turned down was shaking and had tears welling up in her eyes.

My life is far, far less complicated, way more relaxed and far more pleasurable without the drama and stress women have typically brought into my life. I no longer have to worry about someone's crazy family members, money problems, personal problems, crazy friends or deceit and betrayal. I no longer base my self-worth or value on whether or not I have a women in my life and prefer being single.

I'm very independent, am in the top 10% of income earners, own my own home, car and boat as well.

70% of men aged 20-34 are unmarried. Half of all adult men are unmarried. This is a trend that's growing globally. Many men are MGTOW and have never heard of the acronym. Nice try with the shaming.

[Asker]

Thank you! Now this is really inspirational!

[Muscularity]

These chicks just laugh at them and hence why MGTOW exist and they better buck up soon because its increasingly going to stop being worth going out of you way for females.

[Octavion]

It doesn't sound like that they are actually "going their own way." It sounds like they're bitter and are so full of themselves that they think the world will buckle over and beg them to come back because they aren't going after women. It's their take on reverse psychology. There are plenty of guys who actually do choose to live lives by themselves. These guys are usually truckers or first world fishers (like those guys who fish for lobster in storms). Also the guys who work on oil rigs and mines. Those guys make tons of money and they have it all to themselves.

[Asker]

Nope! They don't expect to be begged to come back. They just want to be able to come to terms with the fact that they're not good enough for the female gender, and need to find ways to condition their mind into believing they don't need women either.

[BellePepper]

I don't think it's healthy. It's basically taking sour grapes to an extreme. Like I want The Thing. But I cannot have The Thing! The Thing sucks and I NEVER WANT THE THING AGAIN.

Uhhhh...

It seems like guys would benefit a lot more from seeing a therapist and joining a social group of some kind. It's just really sad :c

[Asker]

You may be right. But what use would it be seeing a therapist, if women just don't WANT to be with these men? I mean... men don't have telepathic of hypnotic powers to MAKE women consider them as potential partner partner material, right? They can do everything to improve themselves, but in the end the ball is always in the woman's court to say 'yes' or 'no'.

[BellePepper]

Well, I think there's a problem if a guy can't interact with more than half the population. Don't you? That has to be really difficult and get in the way of his everyday life.

So, just like any other social challenge sometimes we need an outside perspective to see what we can do to help ourselves. And a relationship is never just one person. There's always at least two. Don't write yourself out.

[Asker]

I have no problems interacting with women, but I do have a huge problem getting women to see me as partner material.

[BellePepper]

Ahh okay so that's better than I thought things were going. Woo!

So there must be some sort of challenge there! I don't know you so I honestly couldn't guess at the reason. My only suggestion is just be yourself, do things you enjoy, set yourself up for success, and treat everyone with respect. At least that way you get to have fun by yourself :)

[Asker]

Yeah I agree. I don't hate women, but if they don't find me suitable for dating or relationships in spite of my not having any apparent flaws, what can I do about it? They have made their decision, and I need to accept that. I don't want to be among those men who whine and complain about not being liked by women. I want to condition my mind to believe that I don't need women at all.

[BellePepper]

Well, I don't want to say there's anything *wrong* with you. I just think there's something not being communicated effectively. And that's okay. If it was easy everyone would be able to do it no problem!

You also need to stop thinking of women as one homogeneous mass. There are all sorts of men out there just like there are all sorts of women. We're all different.

It's your choice though. If you want to do that,,,

[Asker]

Of course it's not my 'choice', because I'm just a normal man who would definitely want female companionship and settle down with wife and kids someday. But I'm forced to choose this path because the women I have come across never considered me good enough for them. And I really don't have enough emotional energy left in me to keep trying.

I'm not part of this hookup culture and I don't sleep around with women. Maybe this makes me unattractive.

[BellePepper]

No one is making you do anything. You're giving up all on your own. If you're going to have a whole life philosophy you need to at least stand by it. You're going your own way? Own up to it then.

You have the entire world at a time when you're still starting life and you're saying you have nothing. The only one creating boxes for you is yourself. Why are you in such a rush to settle down anyway. Even if you're 29 you have like what an average of 60 years left? So take a break and do some things for yourself to improve as a human being and then come back to dating when you're ready better than you were before.

[Asker]

Not saying I'm the best, but I don't understand in what way I need to 'improve' my life. I have decent education, a job, am well respected among my peers for my professional skills. I'm also above average in terms of looks, and I have been told I have a great personality and good sense of humor as well.

On spite of this, women still feel I'm not good enough for them. Don't know what else to 'improve' about myself.

[BellePepper]

There's always something we can improve about ourselves for ourselves. It can be anything from a good hike to experience the outdoors, taking a cooking class, or just trying anything new. Then you can look back on that experience and say "YES I did that. I enjoy this. I can create these positive situations for myself." And then when not so great things happen you can go back to that feeling and brush the situation off.

Also. Stop lumping us together. If you get to say not all men, I get to say not all women ;P

[been_waiting]

Hahahaha

[Asker]

Don't you women also lump us men together, saying stuff like 'Men want only sex', 'Men always cheat' etc?

[BellePepper]

It is really hard to be encouraging when you ask silly things like that.

[BellePepper]

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[fruseng]

The sour grapes thing is true for some MGTOW. But most MGTOWs are older men who've had very toxic relationships in the past. When they tried to eject, they found themselves at the mercy of the woman state nexus which is highly biased in favour of women and can really devastate a man's life. So they've learned their lesson the hard way and are only warning the younger gen of the dangers.

Moreover why would any man want to settle for just one grape if he's going to have access to more or less and entire orchard if he's willing to put in the effort.

Personally I wouldn't care if I had the sweetest grape there was (And I've had some very sweet grapes in the past). What's sweeter is the freedom from the desire of grapes itself.

[BellePepper]

@fruseng BRO. This question is so old it's not even dated anymore. So now I know you literally went through all the MGTOW posts just so you could whine. How is that NOT pathetic? How is that NOT bitter?

[burpzzzzz]

A therapist is actually pointing men to mgtow. com as a form of therapy.

[LThunder]

"It provides some home for men who are unwanted by women"

This isn't what MGTOW is, nor why it started. Many MGTOWs are divorced. MGTOW is about not getting married.

[Prettygurl12]

Frankly I think men have been going their own ways since the dawn of time. I don't really get why their movement is needed now except as an attempt to counteract the feminist movement.

All y'all penis people can go whatever way you want. Upwards, downwards, inwards, outwards, leftwards, rightwards, loop-de-loopwards...

[Asker]

They're needed because it allows a group of men who apparently aren't good enough for women, to help and support each other out, and lead a happy life without needing t depend on a woman for that.

[Longblackveil]

I don't really know much about this, but it doesn't sound like it has anything to do with feminism not does it counter the feminist movement.

It does sound silly though

[fruseng]

Confirmed bachelorhood really has been around for a long while, but only recently has the growth of the woman state nexus pushed many men willing to hve relationships towards this lifestyle. Naturally you see a lot of angry men saying mysoginistic things within the movement.

[Neko_Chan]

I don't care what label you choose to put on yourself. It's your life, live it how you choose.

[Asker]

Yeah, obviously women don't need to care because they have it so easy when it comes to dating!

[Neko_Chan]

You're entitled to your opinion.

[CommieDearest]

I don't really care as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

[Mesonfielde]

I think a bit less misogyny would be a nice addition to it, but otherwise, people actually get over their relationship dependency after a while! Great!

[Sbsbdicjf]

Love and all tjat is actually secondary according to our needs. Survival being the first. And its been proven one can survive without love, even if their existence is a vacuum.

And this is also why people won't ever care about you since you personally feel the way you do.

I'm not trying to take pot shots, just trying to help you see reality. No one is going to care about you unless you let them see you for what you are. And hopefully, what you show them is someone worth caring about.

Plain and simple really.

[BertMacklinFBI]

i seriously dont even know how guys consider that movement a "lifestyle". its just like living a normal fucking life, minus the girlfriend.

[Asker]

Except the fact that these men gradually condition themselves to believe that they can live without what they aren't capable of getting (that is, a girlfriend).

[Anonymous]

Eh... I was living the MGTOW "lifestyle" for years without knowing the label existed for it.

Last year I ended up making two separate attempts to kill myself, once by putting the barrel of a loaded shotgun in my mouth, once by shutting myself in my garage with the engine running. Nobody in my family knows.

I find no fulfillment in the life I've been leading. I was turned off of the idea of partnering for years thanks to my experiences growing up, but I've since pulled my head out of my ass and realized it's something I *do* want, but have no idea now how to attain it. I have absolutely no experience, no "game." I'm nearly thirty and have yet to so much as kiss a woman.

Still trying to learn, but recovery has been a very slow process.

[Borbo]

They way i understand MGTOW is its about self ownership. What that means is when you're out in the world or on the meat market you have your own terms and conditions. Although i could be wrong. I think MGTOW has morphed into something else. People have attached an ideology to it and turned it into something more like MSAFW (men staying away from women). Like imagine you didn't have a set of rules to live by and you just let the wind blow you around. Maybe you might end up in court for whatever reason or get sued and taken to the cleaners. If you have your own terms people, women or whoever can agree to them or not. Chances are most women would not agree to a mans terms and then could become a pushover. And if youve been paying attention to mgtow content you know you could end up being divorce raped and that the odds are not in your favour.

[Kylesar]

So many misconceptions and classic White Knight shaming about MGTOW

I don't always agree with MGTOW's points, but I heavily agree with the core sentiments... and this is coming from someone with a serious relationship with my girlfriend

I was heavily doubting MGTOW when I first walked into it, but as I opened my mind, they make good points, though not always when criticizing women

[Illusive_Man]

You don't have to be a MGTOW to live your life to it's fullest...
Why do you need to slap labels onto yourself to define you?

[Asker]

Because MGTOW is a group of men who have been universally loathed and considered unworthy by women, so they can help and support each other in living their lives happily without women.

[Illusive_Man]

Why do you need people to support you to live your life?

[Asker]

It is basic human tendency to long for a companionship with someone of the opposite gender (or same gender, in case of gay people), right? When that is denied to a person, he needs to find alternatives, doesn't he?

[Illusive_Man]

Only you can decide what sort of companionship do you want. If you want to surround yourself with such people then it's your choice.

[Asker]

No, I obviously want to have a 'normal' heterosexual relationship with a woman, and see myself married and with kids at some point. But when that is beyond my capability, what else am I supposed to do? I know people are gonna say that the fault is with me, I need to work on myself etc. But I don't think so. I don't have telepathic or hypnotic powers to MAKE women like me or consider me relationship material.

[Illusive_Man]

"It is way beyond your capabilities"
I think there are lots of people out there much worse than you physically or in terms of status or personality in a heterosexual relationship right now.

[Draknorthedark]

They are just people who are trying to start a new acceptable place and good environment in opposition to the poisonous environment that society has created for them and told them to accept it AND YOU can't MAKE A SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT WITH JUST ONE PERSON.

[Anonymous]

I don't support MGTOW because to me they come off as just as sad and pathetic as feminists.

I support A Voice for Men instead because it is a very intelligent and well organized political force against feminist bullshit. Check it out...

https://www.avoiceformen.com/

[Prof_Don]

All those MGTOW men would loosen up once they get some pussy.

I don't hear about old-school masculine guys, endorsing in this nonsense.

[LThunder]

Dude, many MGTOWs are divorced, or in relationships. Obviously there are going to be some frustrated dudes who aren't getting any too, but that's not what it's about. MGTOW isn't about not getting women, it's about protecting yourself against them and living a life that protects yourself first.

[WhiteSteve]

No idea what MGTOW stands for, it would be helpful to provide that information. I don't speak Internet shorthand fluently, I need full words, haha.

[shesAcylon]

Men going their own way

[shesAcylon]

I googled it lol

[WhiteSteve]

@shesAcylon ohhhh ok, I should really have just done that, haha

Well, if the cons of pursuing women outweigh the pros, then don't do it. No one has a gun to your head.

[Anonymous]

Don't worry, No woman wants me anyway. I'm a failure in this society. I'll be committing suicide in the coming months. Look for my Facebook live suicide
video from the top of Detroit's tallest jewel.

In death, I will be just as hated as I were in life.

[albundyfan]

I think some men choose that life. Sometimes it chooses them. I don't knock them for it. Doesn't affect my life in any manner.

[genessy0127]

hey can we chat? I was talking about that the other day

[jakeofalltrades]

I don't know, it sounds like a bunch of men whining when they can't get a date

[Asker]

No all of them whine. Some genuinely want to find out ways to make their lives meaningful in spite of no woman wanting to date them, and interacting with like minded men helps with that.

[jakeofalltrades]

and know it sounds gay

[apexalpha]

I dont think every man that chooses the MGTOW lifestyle is unloved by women. It could be just he doesn't stand up to crap basically but still would appreciate the love of a women!!!

[Anonymous]

Lol they can't buy a home without a woman? that's pathetic no matter what sex...

so it's a home for lazy singles? omg that's ridiculous

[burpzzzzz]

Why buy a home when the prices are inflated? Many people will lose their home after the housing bubble bursts.

[ShutUpAndSuckMe]

They have a lifestyle?