
Why aren't many men chivalrous anymore?


Because women killed it. See originally women where ladylike and men where gentlmen but then women watned more, they wanted men to be chivalrous and to provide for them and do things for them BUT they watned to the respect and honors men had for all the chivalrous behavior. Basically men got respect by treating women well, by providing for his family and by fighting for his country. That was what they got for that, women wanted that but they also wanted men to continue doing these things for them so they created the modern system. Basically women can (and frequently do) do what they want be what they want and be treated as mens equals and not adhere to their traditional gender role. However men still very much have to adhere to their gender role, still treat women as special but then also treat them as equals (see the problem with that? They are mutually exclusive either you get special treatment or you get treated like everyone else.). This basically put a massive strain on men because now they where no longer getting the respect they once did for performing these tasks, they no longer had the admiration or love of their wifes, mothers, daughters instead they had even more obligations and no real reason to follow through with them. Without any postive reinforment, when women get the praise and the man gets the work he no longer has any reason to do said work. I hold the door for a woman and thats just something a man is supposte to do because women are special and I as a man I am nothing more then a servant, its no longer me being chivalrous. She is my equal but I still have to cater to her, so how is she my equal? Meanwhile being taken for granted is bad enough but then other women started complaining about the behavior, that he was being sexist for catering to her needs and wants, he was a bad person for doing what women wanted him to do. So of course men are going to stop if women hate them for being chivalrous. Then even worse are the women who tell men their sexist pigs for being chivalrous but they better not stop because women are special and also mens equals so men should do as their told. This essentially makes men decide that its not worth it. Its a catch 22 they no matter what they do cannot win so screw it. Thats why men are no longer chivalrous because women take it for granted and even punish men for doing so. In short women killed chivalry then ironically enough complain about how its dead as if its some kind of mystery why.
Mens behavior and kindness and selflessness was taken for granted and this is the result, eventually no matter how kind the person, taken for granted enough times they will stop being so selfless. I know this will be an unpopular opinion for most women but this is the truth, you cannot assume men stopped being a certain way blame them while ignoring just how much women have changed. Women began to change their behavior, mens change is only a response to that as is evident from the fact that this change only occurred when women started portraying men as the enemy, as the oppressor, that's when men stopped being chivalrous and this is not a coincedence. You want men to be chivalrous you need to give them a reason to be and that starts by being a woman deserving of chivalry, figure out what that is and you fix the problem.
i agree
@Tanairy328 Its refreshing to hear a woman say that.
It's a result of third-wave feminism and progression of a leftist society. Men are not acting chivalrous as a response to how society is progressing in the west. Men are constantly shamed for doing chivalrous things because it comes across as 'creepy' or overbearing. Women in general these days go after someone who is much more crude and selfish. Women might say they want chivalrous men but I see them all the time making fun of them. I think @puppylove94 made a take on this.
Kind of...
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a30861-chivalry-is-dead-because-of-women-not-just-men
You took more of a feminist approach. I should have made an entire section on feminism lol
What women really want is a man who is respectful to her. However, in the past I'll admit I've dated guys who are just plain jerks to me because I think they are hot. For some reason all the "chivalrous" guys were just weird and unattractive. Like one prom date opened all doors for me, paid for dinner, etc, but sneezed and then ate his expelled mucas.
As I got older, I just got tired of this. I'll note, however, I went on a date with a guy who was really hot and super chivalrous in paying and opening doors, but also showed no interest or enthusiasm when I talked about my life passions ( poverty, homelessness, working in international law).
Then I met my current boyfriend. He never let's me pay at restaurants, and holds doors open for me, opens the car door for me when I'm getting in, buys me gifts, took care of me like a child when I was hospitalized from sickness, and even makes me dinner sometimes, on top of countless other things. He also listens to my dreams, my social issue rants, and supports them. In return I'm the person he talks to about emotional stuff that makes him cry, although " guys are so unemotional and only care about sex". I buy him genuine gifts and do my best to make him feel loved and appreciated.
My point is, I don't think there are less chivalrous men. I've noticed that, whether we like it or not, when a man really loves a woman he wants to take care of her and appreciate her. And the woman wants to make her man feel loved. I think chivalry is just changing a little with modern times and feminism. Men and women are just trying to find a balance with each other.
I challenge you that men are still chivalrous at least when it comes to opening doors.
So for the next few months, notice what happens when you come to a door that needs to be opened. Do you or someone near you rush faster than others to get the door or hold the door open longer? If so, thank them.
I bet you will be surprised to realize that chivalry still lives. It does. It is called common courtesy by another name.
But as for why you fear it may be absent, it may be like others have said that women no longer appreciate it or even condemn it but I do not think that is true. I think it is still around but I do not think it is getting less and less but I think it has more to do with the fact that men are being raised without fathers and only mothers. So the things like opening a door, walking on the outside of traffic, pulling out chairs, etc. these things just aren't being taught to young men. So if there is a fall off, I would think it has more to do with that than a women being offended by it. I just don't know enough men that would be stopped from doing these things if a women was offended. (Thank God!)
We would all be in trouble if men stopped doing things because a woman got her feelings hurt. lol!
Besides porn and the feminist movement. A lot of it has to due with how they were raised and taught. A lot of them don't have father figures to teach them, some do have them around, but their fathers aren't traditional and also was macking around women too. Its really is sad. That just also adds to my list of never dating. These guys are not men, but males and cowards most of the time because of how society have drastically changed and done to the male psyche. The same is with women. Sadly the women are equally as responsible for what they are doing to men. So you will have to be ready to wait a while until you encounter somebody who knows how to treat a lady the way she needs to be treated. Also its how you carry yourself as a woman. Even some of the most trashes men I've encountered opened doors for me, I tell them thank you and they even compliment me when I don't even look for it. I also say it has to do if they sense if your a good woman or a woman who likes to just sleep around to.
@cchris987
That is still the parents duty regardless to how he has been treated. You don't pay back evil with evil. We are all still responsible for how we raise them and teach them, or else we FAILED them.
You just need to teach him what kind of women to avoid. Especially a promiscuous woman who doesn't want to stay at home or be at home with her husband. She can work, and do everything else she likes to do. But when you have a disrespectful woman who belittles you and condemns you all because of your sex, then that is a woman you pluck out of your life before she kills you or gets you killed. The same applies to a man for a woman.
@bobbyxx
I never said that men were trash, where did you get that from? By trashy men, I'm talking about those who are drunkards, especially piss drunk, do heavy drugs, use prostitutes, gluttons, don't take care of their hygiene, hang out in the streets, getting arrested, use women for sex, etc. I'm not talking about normal men!!
"Even some of the most trashes men " The key word SOME! I used to live in what you would call 'DA HOOD'. And plenty of them live in the building I used to live! Please learn to read before you call out somebody! Who I don't insult men, I respect them. Especially when they respect me and other decent people! Those kind of men that do what I listed is what I consider trashy, because they treat people and women the same way.
@bobbyxx
How is using women a good trait? Do you like using women then? How is being piss drunk a good trait? Is having a record for stealing and starting fights good traits? Men who beat up on women and using prostitutes GOOD TRIATS? Not all? Then what do you consider good or bad?
That is being trashy in my perpective. I don't like men who do all of the things I've listed. It has nothing to do with just who they are. But HOW they carry themselves. I don't like men who whore around with every women. Men who like to get drunk. Men who use prostitutes where I lived. That as I said was who I was referring too. You try living in a neighborhood where kids are getting into fights every summer and the cops do nothing to arrest them, somebody is talking about shooting someone and its right in your backyard you might as well say. And drunk men with their alcoholic breath's breathing into your face and harassing you for a cigarette or if your seeing somebody. And your not that kind of person to be around that. You don't know what I experienced or be grew up in to even state that. As I said. I respect men overall. What I said was that they are all those things, but they were KIND enough to hold the door!
@bobbyxx
Who said anything about man shaming? I'm still a virgin and I would not go around even if I wasn't. I would not be involve with something I would''t want to be a part of. As I said, I respect men overall. But it doesn't mean that I respect what they do on the down low. I don't drink either. Henceforth why I said I don't like drunkards. This goes to both men and women who do this.
Women are NOT any better. Their loud, boastful, prideful, too envious, jealous and vain. And that is for the women that are. The same applies to men. I was referring to everybody of any gender on the broad spectrum. I call it for what it is. But both men and women have to equally learn how to respect each other, and these days with the lewdness and perverse way of thinking. Its not happening.
Because feminazis. Putting an entire gender on a pedestal just because? I wouldn't want to do that for males, so why would I want others to feel obligated to do that for me.
I want to feel like I earned those niceities. It's like when someone says I should "respect my elders". No. I was raised to respect what has earned respect. You do NOT earn respect because you happened to have been born before me. You had no power, no contribution on that occurrence. Just like females did not put work into being born a female.
Everyone seriously needs to take a prolonged step down from their high horse and stop thinking they "deserve" everything.
It means elders in YOUR family and maybe community, the people who raised you and thus do deserve respect automatically.
Perhaps other elders due to their experience and knowledge, again deserved respect and not just "born before you".
Agree with the rest and upvoted for that.
@shephardjhon I can see that. But like I said, I respect those who have earned it, and if you managed to teach me ANYTHING useful, I respect you. So of course those who raised me count by default.
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Because chivalry is benevolent sexism, and women now are closer to equal treatment than ever before.
Does Jerome fuck her good?
Because times have changed
Man wants to be head of the family?
Then: Men get respect from peers and are considered to be a real man
Now: PATRIARCHY !!
Man compliments woman
Then: They might talk privately later or something along those lines
Now: Sexual harassment !
Man holds door open for woman
Then: Woman says thanks
Now. Sexist rapist men everywhere ! Holding open doors, who do they think they are ! ?
Woman hits man
Then: Almost unheard of
Now: She didn't like your ring tone (watch below)
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=887_1478313192
etc. the list goes on. . . Times have really changed, and you gotta move with the times.
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if you don't you'll get left behind and your shit will get fucked up
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THIS^^^
@ThisDudeHere Did you watch that live leak video? It's very enlightening
Look at all them pink downvotes though, I did nothing wrong
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I know I'm right
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What live leak video? Haven't seen it.
@ThisDudeHere The link I posted near the bottom
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=887_1478313192
^ The girl more or less attacks him for no reason. The guy was just sitting down minding his own business
@ThisDudeHere That's right man, this is why we need to end violence against women (and girls)
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I'm seriously considering becoming a feminist
i will list some reasons :
1- if you give women you will rarely get them, i mean sure giving them once in a while will make them like you but if you keep giving like its a chore you lose that woman who takes you for granted, fks the other guy and makes you her friend.
2- iam usually nice to everyone especially girls , i have no problem helping a girl, but some girls just act weird, dont say anything, dont thank you or give any kind of reaction which tbh is an insult.
3- Some women simply are bitches and dont really deserve that kind of treatment from men.
4- some men only treat women they want to date like that mainly because its too much work sometimes to keep being a gentleman to every girl you meet.
Keep in midn most guys have no problem being chivalrous , i know i dont, but when you get nothing in return and you find that not caring a lot about the girl or her well being brings the same results if not better sometimes you start to wonder why you should go out of your way to be chivalrous.
I still am. But I'm very careful about how open I am with women. Because I get tired of acting like Raoul Vicomte de Chagny; only to be treated like Jeffery Dahmer in return.
Women say they want whatever the hell that guy is that Favio was always playing on the cover of all those trash novels. I've got the smoothness and treatment, but I don't tolerate BS or abuse and I have been told I look like a chinchilla. So instead of being treated like him, I get treated like America's Most Wanted.
All I can think to say to all that:
"Evil will never leave the house of one who pays back evil for good." - Proverbs 17:13.
Needless to say, I know a lot of women who wonder why their lives are so full of disaster; and why they always feel like there's some sort of cosmic conspiracy against them. And all of them at some point, repaid my treating them right with them throwing me under the bus.
And you may or may not be religious; but it sure isn't me visiting all that revenge on them. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Men and women got fucked up now. So much media and stuff messed up everyone. First the bad boy was just a character nobody did. Now everybody is doing that character. If a boy is not he's considered gay or doormat.
Now so like women. Now people tell them (feminists tell them) they've been treateth not right or not equal by men doing chivalrous. Everyone in the media is doing it unknowned. they do not even know it.
Now women and men are messed up. Women or the girls now thinking that being chivalrous is creepy. Men thinking that being chivalrous is being gay or not dominant and they do all bad things and be mysgonist to women/girls and they like it.
This is just the best example of "media messed up." Smh bad is becoming good and good is becoming bad and that switch is starting to become normal in the younger ages and being taught at younger ages is reminded and done at the older ages so. It will head over to the 30s people and older.
I litteraly don't want to experience the time when i need to tell my son to call a girl a bitch so he can get a girl. I rather be dead.
Third wave feminism is to blame really. And men are usually shamed for doing such acts. I've heard and seen it. So it can be quite disheartening. Why should anyone make a effort when they get shut downed and blamed and accused of shitty things. I Sure wouldn't.
I think the question is "Why aren't many individuals chivalrous nowadays?"
I hear this word more often associated to just towards men, as If they are the only sex to show acts of kindness and respect towards a woman. Such as, holding a door, opening the passenger side door for her or even paying for dinner reservations. I think its the society of today's people that lead men and women in the opposite directions. Nowadays, more women aren't loyal or grateful to those men who act "chivalrous or respectful" and categorize them as boring. Or women who have an attractiveness towards "bad boys" who shows the least courtesy. This goes the same for men who seek girls who are shallow-minded and only care about themselves.
Its like me and my crush, we talk to each other and yet he's much of a gentlemen to me. Not because I "expect" him to be that way, its because I have good manners and I show respect of being a decent human being for him to treat me the same way.
That's not chivalry, actual real chivalry actually has very little to do with women out of the entire code only one line/sentence if even that has to do with the treatment of women the rest has to do with etiquette on and off the battlefield has well as how you should act in general.
what you are referring to is being a gentleman please do your research and get the two right ^^.
But to answer your question women did it to themselves with the introduction of 2nd and 3rd wave feminism.
Though fear not some of us are still gentleman.
A world cannot have both chivalrous men and equality between the sexes.
Pick your side.
Chivalry is traditionally defined as a man being nice to a woman purely because he is a man and she is a woman. That's also sexist. Placing women above men. And in a world striving for equality... the two can't exist together.
They definitely can in my country... thank God.
What side are you on?
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Nice! Someone with a brain
Cuz women killed it.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a145-chivalry-is-dead-and-women-killed-it
If Dave would talk this talk now in 2k16. He would be lynched by everyone.
Everybody is confused now. Nobody knows what they want now.
The answer can be found in my take
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a27581-5-reasons-why-fewer-men-want-to-take-girls-out-on-dates-these-days
The overall reason is chivalry does not score you any points in getting relationship with a girl. Women care about 3 things 1) Money 2) Looks 3) Social status. A combination of these 3 things is all they care about and a guy who has these 3 things in high amount can literally treat women like dog shit and most women would stay with him.
While an average guy could be chivalrous and kind guy in world and this wouldn't score him much points with younger woman. Older woman might appreciate it because less people are being nice to them and might get them relationships but younger girls will not especially seeing a lot of girls these days tend to be very gold diggerish.
Pics for reference how 1. Money 2. Looks and status means yo can do whatever the fuck you want to women and they will be ok with it.
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Today's society wants more equal treatment, which means chivalry has taken a few steps back. Which means no more holding doors open just because you're a woman, no more only men paying the bills.
What I find amusing is that when equality is gained, which feminists demanded, suddenly they start complaining about how men avoid marriage, some men avoid relationships, holding doors open and even stop paying all the dinner bills.
That is what equality is all about. No one gets treated differently, regardless of sex.
Total equality means no special treatment for either sex.
on point
Why aren't women ladylike enough to warrant chivalry anymore?
I mean, I know HOW they aren't ladylike. Fat, rude, loud, fat, sarcastic, demeaning to the men in their lives, narcissistic, so very VERY fat, entitled... I could go on, but I don't feel like writing a series of novels.
But WHY?
Hint: I know why, and I don't care. I'm just here to point out that my chicken came well before your egg, and men took a LOT of shit to get to where they are now with how they regard women, and aren't a damn sight anywhere near as bad as we could be because A) we're just that nice, or in my case B) if we treated women 10% as poorly as they deserve for what's become commonly acccepted behavior from them, we'd be arrested or shot on the spot by police.
Depends on where you are looking... you aren't looking in the right place. I'm one... in NJ;-)
Society has push a lot of guys to the point that they don't see a reason to act like that. Most girls never even say thank you... when you hold a door, pull out a seat, help them with something heavy.
Everywhere a guy looks all he sees is the world/girls saying that they don't need men, etc. If girls appreciated it... more men would be. The fact is most girls fall/like bad boys/jerks which aren't nice/chivalrous guys. Women are the reason we are a dying breed.
Plenty are.
But a lot of girls are actually rude to guys who wanna be chivalrous to them. Crazy to me lol.
Some even assault men for being kind & chivalrous... see my post !!
Probably because they are sick of women snapping at them for no reason or being accused of trying to get into her knickers.
If I was being benevolent to a guy and he accused me of seducing him, I would be like. Get yersel tae fuck, that's the last time I ever help you.
Men are chivalrous, boys are not. Most boys now do not want to hear anything from older Men on how they should proceed with life. This isn't me sounded like a "old guy" it's just facts. Boys have no respect or manners in this day and age. On the other hand before I got married almost every woman I dated hated that I held the door for them, waited for them to be seated at a table and did common things a mad should do. They felt "lesser" because I did such things. They felt that i was looking at them as if they needed help or some type of special privilege. This could be farther from the truth.
When feminists burned their bras and decided in the 60's and 70's that men were being sexist when they were pulling out chairs and opening doors, men stopped. "A real woman can open her own doors", etc. Men learned quickly that since they don't know what a woman wants, they needed to not take the risk of offending women by doing the chivalrous things. It was safer not to. Now woman complain that men don't do these things and just blame the man. You have those leftist PC women (idiots?) to blame, not men who got tired of being called something they were not. Maybe the non PC women can bring it back?
I feel like people are just generally more selfish than ever now a days. I'm not saying it's just men. Chivalry is basically in my mind a sign of respect. Both genders can hold doors open for people or make sure their friends and family get home safe. But so many people refuse to do anything genuinely nice anymore. Older people still do because they were raised that way.
But younger people it seems are more selfish and only do things if they are going to get something in return. Unfortunately some people see chivalry as a way to get sex and if that is not what they get in return you get anger.
Other people don't see why they should be polite at all since it's easier to
be selfish.
There are still some good people out there. But you just have to be careful.
I believe women have done an equally good job of getting in the way. We also have an array of options yet we settle too often for something that is too easy. Our digital age has transformed how we date, in general. I don't think men lack the ability to be as such, we just have to allow the right platform to accept it and be thankful.
Some are. Others have been scared out of it by feminism and some just were never raised right. But chivalrous men do exist. I got one😊
I can't say if it's true for every guy but, from what I've seen, I think it's because most guys see no reason to act that way if they're not getting anything in return. Which is just a terrible mindset if you think about it. I like opening doors for women (and elderly people), I like offering to help carry something. I really don't care if they can do it or not. It makes me feel happy because usually when I do it, I see them smile.
I'm starting to think that one's willingness to be chivalrous and keep to that admittedly antiquated sense of etiquette is based on how selfless/selfish they are. Obviously, I'm not saying that anyone and everyone who doesn't exhibit 'chivalrous' behaviour is selfish. I'm just saying, they're reasoning behind it says a lot about what they're generally looking for in life. If that makes sense... I get the feeling I've explained that poorly. If I have, sorry.
I kind of agree with you. People in general now a days are more selfish than ever. Instead of doing things out of respect or courtesy, we always expect something in return. Chivalry shouldn't be done in order to get something (ie. sex). It should be done because the person wants to and they are a decent person.
All I ask for in return is a smile or a thank you. At least acknowledge my existence
Why would you want them to be?
Many of the things considered chivalrous are old fashioned, unnecessary and create distance between the genders, in my opinion.
They're small gestures and Im not going to be the feminazi who cares if they do act that way, but I don't expect guys to give me their coat when we're both cold, or pay for my drinks, or to take the first step in everything.
I'd like everyone to be polite of course, but holding doors open for people shouldn't be a gender-dependent thing.
Because they've been beaten down and brainwashed by a handful of feminazis.
In the 20th century the sad truth is that every guy will eventually learn the hard way that you can't be too nice to girls sometimes not even a little most will jump on any opportunity and take advantage of your kindness. That's why some times I have to act like an asshole to some girls just to get the message across. But chivalry is given to the right person and shouldn't even handed out to just anybody.
As a lot of others have said,
1. Equal rights/women's lib made it a sexist thing
2. Younger generations of guys are mostly mush
3. Those that aren't mush haven't been taught chivalry
4. It isn't necessary to woo women anymore since they give sex out for free anyway
5. For those few guys who genuinely like to woo women, chivalry is now the fast track to the friend zone
Hah. Chilvalry is dead. I would say I act like a traditional gentlemen but no women I've met are interested in it at all. All they want are f***boys. Could be the area I live in, but it's all but killed my chivalry.
Plus with todays' feminists it'd probably come off as misogynistic and disrespectful.
If you are a true gentleman, you set standards for your own conduct and you do not change those standards in response to criticisms from hostile feminists. No, you just keep doing what you believe is right and honorable.
I believe that gentlemanly behavior has waned as a result of laziness and lowered expectations; hostile feminism has provided a convenient excuse for the change in behavior.
Because women are not feminine or traditional anymore. If you want men to abide by traditional gender roles, then make it worth our while by abiding by yours.
Because of society or more accurately feminism. Like if or when I hold a door open for some girl they don't say thank you. Don't even look at me. Like they're so use to getting doors held open for them or they must think I'm only looking for a number. 😒 why even bother now days
Why yes we exist today. 😉. There are many problems however. 😤. Wait you ask why huh? First Ladies really hate us. 😫. You assume we are crazy wacko creeps. 😔. Second everyone nowadays calls us nice guys. 😯. That upsets many guys silly. 😏. What if you women received similar treatment? You did get really mad. 😛. Third feminism ruined our kind. 😈. Well you women would want their cake first instead. β οΈ. Then keep it for yourself. 💩. That is why we are disappearing okay? Many guys quickly became tired. 😟. Yes guys indeed hate that. βΊοΈ.
Vicious, vile, selfish, arrogant women (basically feminists) ruined it when they began attacking men for it.
Women (or rather nutty feminists who spoke on behalf of all women, and women let them) said they were grossly offended by it.
And us men, being very simple creatures, listened and said "ok".
You wanted equality, you got it. It's not a buffet, where you can go "Equal pay? We're having that. Paying for dinner? No, you can keep that."
i think it has to do with women being more independent and not wanting to come across as helpless which is why some women feel offended by guys being like that. and while i will help a girl if needed im weary of what girl i help because i dont want to offend her.
Because they don't want to be. Too lazy.
Though, I know a lot of guys who are chivalrous. The guys in my area are. I never had an issue with a guy opening a door for me, giving me their jacket when I'm cold, paying for meals... honestly, I didn't even know women had encountered this until I joined G@G. I've never dated a guy who didn't pay for me or open doors for me or stuff like that. They always did it (willingly) without me asking.
6 downvotes 5 of them guys, Where's the left wing cuck squad of this site.
I hope you inspire someone.
It is argued that feminism brought the demise of chivalry.
But it depends on the man. Scott does things like holding doors for me, holding my coat, etc. While I'm as feminist as any woman I can still appreciate those courtesies. He does those things because he's a gentleman & we love each other!
I don't know about you but all my guy friends are and especially my boyfriend. My boyfriend holds doors open for me, carries my bags and opens the car door. Maybe it's just the aura that's given out, in addition to your stature. I'm really small, people are just naturally inclined to help me, I'm also really friendly and thank people for all they do.
For me it was because I was made fun of for it. When I would do something for a woman. I was teased and so was she. After I helped her she did not look happy that I helped her out cause we were being teased. After 4 years of being made fun of for being chivalrous it is really had to get back to being so. That is something that I have worked on recently. Still most women don't like it when you try to do things for them unless your dating them.
When will women realize that the whole chivalry thing was a code for nobility that applied mostly to conduct in warfare and royal court, and there was VERY little that had to do with how to treat a woman? And what little there was only applied to noble Ladies, not to commoner wenches.
Maybe they should come up with another word for things like holding doors, or paying, or otherwise treating her better than you simply because she's female. Wait, there's already a word for that: simping.
Hey, women want equality, that means no more chivalry. I still open my car door for my girlfriend and let her in the house first and all stuff, but why would some young guys do that when they see on the news that they are potential rapists whose male problems don't matter?
it's this younger generation and all their new age mentality. luckily I just missed the cut & since I go for older guys most of the men I date got the chivalry. but that's one reason I don't date younger men. im glad I'm not a 90s baby..
I agree. Same here, i date younger men either.
Just the times we live in now I think. Some guys still are. I think maybe it started to become somewhat "lame" over the years as women seemed to want the "bad boys" more and more. I think it also possibly became "expected" at one point and less appreciated by women?
easy, feminism and women having/given way too much power they dont deserve.
women aren't women anymore and social media is issuing validations way too easily. women are assholes with a lot of misinformation because no one corrects them cause men want to sleep with them
men dont want to be suckers and women do not offer the same benefits
hey, you asked
Men are how they always were - some are polite and some aren't. I see young guys doing plenty of kind things and have older relatives who are total dogs. It's all individual.
I want to know this myself. I have guys let doors close in my face and they don't give up seats on public transportation, etc. The reason I was initially attracted to my guy friend was because he knew chivalry. It's still attractive
" I have guys let doors close in my face " ... I've been assaulted for holding a door open by a young , very nasty , woman !! Maybe they experienced similar to me !!
Well if iv had a tough day i may well need that seat more than you do.
Also if i want to get some more work done i can't get my laptop out and work standing up.
Because women will scream that they are coming on to them.
Men and women want to be equal. If a girl doesn't have to hold doors, why does a guy have to?
Because us women don't give them anything to respect these days. If we don't respect ourselves they won't respect us or be chivalrous anymore.
some women made it clear that they don't like it and ruined it for everyone
If a guy tries to be chivalrous, either he is considered to be a "nice guy" or have the motive of getting into a girls pants. Now, some girls are nice about it. So there are chivalrous guys. Personally, i always hold the door open for a girl/lady and have the "ladies first" rule etc etc, because thats what I'm like as a person. Now some of my female friends, and other women I've met are great about it and they are the smallest group (seriously, if a guy holds a door, just smile, that ALL he need), some are rude the largest group (saying thanks takes nothing) and some are bitches (the whole feminism rant). Thats why heaps of my mates stopped their chivalry. I still do it, but essentially because we are taken for granted, guys stopped.
Because we've realized that most girls don't want a guy thats chivalrous (some may say it, but very few actually want it)
Cause what you see in men is what media is promoting.. Y'know songs about pussy, ass, calling girls bitches.. There aren't many songs or movies that show girls are to be respected.. Guys are all about SWAG, YOLO, fashion and whatever the fuck it is.. Today its all about who fucked the most
There are chivalrous men out there. If somebody told me the amount of chivalrous men out there had declined I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of girls don't appreciate it anymore. Also, girls these days make it easy for guys to have sex with them that they don't need to be chivalrous. Hook ups and fwbs throw chivalry out of the window.
Because women started labeling such men as masculine chauvinist
Just the other day I met this girl who believes that all men are inferior and think them below the dirt on her feet. Oh and by the way she is a real jerk as she is also a vocal feminist
Now, what would I be doing about such a person is just forget anything like chivalry and tell them to go to hell and as for the others I would say they don't deserve anything as well
I am very pleasantly surprised at the large number of women here supporting the view that this is infact third wave feminism's fault.
I would like to ask men to stop grouping all women as the reason and making sexist remarks when we might reach a truce in this stupid gender war and end both extreme feminism and extreme MRA.
I am an MRA and I want an end to this war.
@TiffyPuff I can assure you I'm a women and i think third wave feminism is shit.
@TiffyPuff still it is hope to end the gender war.
The best War on Terror movie I have seen is Tere Bin Ladin (Without You Bin Ladin or Your Bin Ladin) and it ends with a fake Bin Ladin passed off as real Bush and ending the war.
So if a man dressed as Big Red and a woman dressed as Milo Yanopolis can end the war, I am all for it.
Meant real to Bush. The guy is a chicken farmer who looks like Bin Ladin and is tricked into making a fake Bin Ladin video and eventually passes off as him to talk to Bush to end the war.
Because not as many women as before respond positively to a man being chivalrous. Men are pretty practical creatures. If something works, we'll stick with it. If it doesn't work or if it stops working, we'll abandon it and try something else. I could be that currently chivalry isn't working as well as it did in the past and is therefore being abandoned. But these things go in cycles, so it should come back eventually.
Having been barged past , snarled at then KICKED out of pure spite by a nasty young woman , my " crime " , holding open a door like a gentleman !! Isn't behaviour like that enough to put a lot of men off !! A lot of women do treat men with contempt , but I believe this is due to " media " / feminist brainwashing.
I am sorry to hear that. And yeah you're right many women are brainwashed by modern feminism.
The reward for chivalry is almost non existent. People do behaviors for reward. If the reward doesn't exist the behavior ceases. Women don't even say thank you anymore.
Yes I agree many women don't It's just sad it's almost non existent if a man was chivalrous I would be appreciative.
Choose what the fuck you want. Do you want to be equal or put on a pedestal? You can't have both.
lol exactly!!
This.
Because "It is a man's job to respect a woman... but it is a woman's job to give him something to respect" - Bernie Mac (1st of all)
2nd of all : chivalrous men still exist, but when they see women around them they believe that NONE of these women deserve it
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