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Culture influences us throughout time.. 80s, there was kindof an androgyny thing going on.. now men are perceived to be sensitive because of all the social justice uproar.. As soon as 'GoT' got big, men sport beards. I admit trends can be contagious but I notice men argue like women now, they gossip and do vengeful things. Maybe my idea of gender is slanted but I think women are more prone to cattiness than men but lately I feel like men are just as capable as playing mind games and social warfare as the next..
With friends, we sometimes discuss that relationships where a woman is clearly dominant, babying, mothering, scolding, treating the man like a sibling... curfews, shaming for cleaning.. overall controlling even for little things like food or movies to watch. And I am not saying its equal! Its regular that she is a dominant force overall.. I think women emasculating men don't deserve sympathy when the relationship ends and over time, I feel that it has led men to sort of fight fire with fire and mimic some cattiness that girls do actually have.. I feel like most men I have dated repeat behaviors from grade school like rating women or sex well into their late 20s or 30s...
To make a statement that most men are becoming feminine is bold but I do really feel that way. However, in the back of my mind, if its replacing 'agro', I'm kindof okay with it? But i just personally find mean girls terrifying because they will justify sabotage in really messed up ways. They can take things just as too far as an aggressive, uber-macho male and the most worrisome part is mean girls work in shadow; its indirect, so you don't even know how to safeguard yourself sometimes and next thing you know, an overshare is being used against you. Women dig in and rip guts out and men from what I know, use a lot of superficiality to dig but now I feel like its an all out battlefield.
I have met very few men in the 20-30 range and even 40 that are well past grade school behaviors, relationship games or machoness or how their relationship looks to other people. If I do meet a man like this, it is well past my age range and he's usually got a very unique outlook on life like a lone wolf.. I also want to say, I have met men in their early 20s that are extremely mature and equal parts sensitive and romantic... but I assume its because they haven't had a girl hurt them enough to turn them. Continued Pt2... I'm not meant for twitter lol..
Pt2. I don't know if its just the young love of your 20s but most of these young men that I dated, do tend to be very well balanced in maturity and sensitivity, maybe its the new generation but I have found men less concerned with being impressive, waiting forever to be direct, or how his girl looks on his arm in the younger 20s than I have in the age range I am in which is 30s... which I find is this sort of sour look on love or very pedastool perfect life and wife approach to relationships. To me that is the pinterest outlook on relationships in life which is not mature or masculine. ok done! first post on this site and pretty nervous to lay it all out there...
A male-only environment is riddled with aggression, competition, hierarchies, rigor and a lack of sensitivity. This kind of environment creates highest quality men and women in any area of work. But when women infiltrate in large enough numbers to demand sensitivity, inclusiveness, gentleness, cooperation instead of competition... It waters down the intensity of the male environment and in general become lowered to the level of women in general. This equalizes them with women destroying their sense of having the protector/leader/provider role, causing them to become passive and indifferent. In the end we get a bunch of androgynous pussies women created, but want nothing to do with.
The hottest guys you'll find today are still guys who work in rigorous male-majority jobs like construction, military, fire-department, engineering...
I don't really see many females staying at home all day playing video games, or any males going out and shopping for the latest clothes styles... That's an exaggeration but I'm sure you get my point. Those specific guys that you're talking about have simply lost confidence in the dating world... That doesn't make them feminine in any way at all... Not all men are "tough guys"... It's unrealistic to expect that from approximately half of the entire human population. But I don't agree that they're being feminine by not "manning" up to join the dating world. It's stressful and playing video games can be a great stress reliever... They're probably just taking a break and tired of trying. Hope this helps! 👍🏼
1. Video games are not feminine anyone can play them and they are awesome I don't know why you targeting video games.
2. If your so tired of guys not talking to you then talk to them not hard. I been doing it.
3. how you know they are not approaching you because they not interested? I mean maybe accept that it possible a lot of guys don't want you and you just have to accept that.
4. Its ok to be feminine and I don't see what wrong with being it man or woman so maybe instead of asking what's wrong with these men ask what wrong with you? since you are not getting any men.
For the past 60 years there has been a campaign by the global elite, through their useful idiots in Feminism and other forms of Marxist, to destroy the masculinity of Western men.
That is why we have the spectacle of the metrosexual and the male social justice warrior, both of whom I (as a man) find to be repulsive freaks.
We were told that our masculinity was 'toxic' and that all sex was rape and more. I am sure that you have heard the Feminist loons rant on about such things.
Despite this, a good degree of masculinity remains in most Western men.
The tone and content of your post, as well as your age, suggests to me that you have reached the age at which male interest in you is headed toward the bottom of the graph.
I do not know if what I am about to suggest applies to you, but it is the typical progression for a Western woman.
Ages 15 to 30, she will fuck a conga line of bad boys and sundry other sociopaths and losers, because they are 'exciting' and 'fun'.
About 30, she hits the wall and male interest drops off.
She decides that she is 'ready for a good man' . . . the type of man she has been rejecting and ridiculing since her mid teens, because they were not the exciting bad boys.
She looks around and discovers that the cupboard is bare.
Why?
Because a significant and increasing number of men are taking the decision that interaction with females carries more risks than benefits. This is not a sign of lack of masculinity. It is a conclusion reached after a rational cost/risk/benefit assessment.
Consider this:
Ask a girl out: risk of career-ending sexual harassment complaint.
Go on a date: risk of life being destroyed by a false rape complaint.
Have consensual sex: risk of life being destroyed by a false rape complaint, if she changes her mind the next day, week, year, or whenever. Or, she might be simply batshit crazy. A quarter of the adult female population are on prescription psychiatric medications. Look it up.
Form a relationship and cohabit or marry: 50 per cent risk that after the legally-qualifying time of two years she will leave and use the Family Court to steal everything that the man owns, then enslave him for life via a child-support order.
There are plenty of single men in your age range out there, but every day more of them decide that the juice is not worth the squeeze.
You are just looking at the negatives as if there are no positives
The false allegation epidemic and its effect on men.
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Gaaaah... As a young fella making his way in this world, I began reading your words and wanted to thumbs up in agreement so bad. Unfortunately as I read on, I see that you fall into the "MGTOW Trappings" as I call it.
I call it so, as with other MGTOW mouth pieces (or those that simply buy into its circular logic as the online thinktank/pseudo-movement that it is), the narrative starts off with the usual opening critique of not just feminazism as an ideological force, but of the social and cultural impacts its had on (primarily) white western civilisation - alas gynocentrism and other rhetoric such as 'rape culture' being a force for emasculation. This I all completely agree with!
However, the fundamental flaw in this movement is the very abdication of women it stands for... As fucked up as (some, maybe even most) western women are, does the MGTOW movement not realise it merely perpetuates what feminism was designed to do? To deconstruct and destory gender relations!!
I firmly believe that (as other commenters have alluded to), the destruction of masculinity in western civilisation is very much evident as it is real... Far too many men are horrendously cucked and fail to provide women the physical, social, psychological and biological stability they crave in the long run - i. e. building families and feeling like the "cave man" is providing for her. This is far more dangerous than the ideological assault on men itself, and I believe is a true test to truly separate the men from boys so to speak.. Or in this case the castrated cucks from the upright man! I'm not abdicating women of responsibility fully, mind, but I find that most of their behavioural dysfunctionality comes from the unfulfilled yearning for a masculine presence... Something which the question asker is clearly deprived of!
@MysteriousDarkness
Positives?
Aside from promised access to the vagina of a woman who becomes less attractive every day, I cannot think of any positives.
Even then, a survey of married couples found that 25 per cent did not have sex; another 25 per cent had sex about once per month; and the remaining 50 per cent had sex twice or more each week.
So. . . even if a man marries a women there is a 50 per cent probability that he will end up jerking off over porn anyway, because the frigid land whale in the bed will be off limits.
Seems like justification for human loneliness to me... I don't care how much sterile science you wish to inject into your reasoning. Find yourself a good woman, doesn't even have to be a long term relationship, but I guarantee that once the intensity of physical, sexual and/or spiritual attraction hits... You'll be fucking hooked. It's what we're built for man... How anyone could turn away sex, let good sex, let alon all other connotations... Is beyond me.
First off, let me just say using the phrase "something a man would do" is bullshit.
You don't get to define "a real man" and the like when men aren't allowed to define "a real woman" without triggering most women, in particular feminists. While you can have your preferences, don't try to paint the definitions of my gender with such a broad stroke.
Now on to your question.
The breaking of the gender role barriers through feminism has lead to the blurring of lines between what both do and how they behave. You can easily argue that 'women are becoming more masculine' with how career oriented they are and how many of today's women are more open to casual sex. I'm not saying these are bad things, but it is a natural consequence.
If women are now occupying some of the space that men once did decades ago, then men are going to be forced into some of the space that women occupied.
I'm not even sure how 'playing video games all day' is being lumped in with a feminine activity. Men have always dumped a good amount of their spare time into hobbies since forever. Obviously those hobbies can vary and skew a certain way depending on the era. Technology being a big one today. Video games are an extremely cheap way to entertain oneself for many hours. Hours that might have been spent going out and socializing more often out of necessity decades prior.
Probably the easiest way to answer this as well is by looking at trends in youth. I don't have the numbers to back any of this up but I bet that teenage girls are favoring more feminine men, so more men are simply adjusting to what is showing to work.
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Sure but who made them that way? Single motherhood is commen, encouraged even as women are divorcing men lef and right stripping boys of masculine figures. These same women who are complaining about the effeminacy of men are the ones encouraging it in their children, if a boy acts like a boy in school what happens? He is accused of being violent or bad and is encouraged to act more like a girl even if it means drugging him up (over 85% of all children with so called "learning disabilities" are male). Its women who claim they want a nice sensitive guy then reject said men and then when the man starts getting angry and deciding he is done with that game these women then turn around and punish him yet again for acting more masculine by claiming that he is being too aggressive or he wasn't really nice etc. etc. etc. Then you have women who have not been women in decades. When was the last time a woman acted feminine? I have yet to meet one who has, one who is loving and nurturing who had maternal instincts and conducted herself like a lady. So yeah its happening but the blame lies on women who have exploited and punished and raised these men, its women who stopped acting like women wanting the best of both worlds, the respect and admiration men got and the safety and protection women got. So blame women. The moment women reverse their behavior is the moment we start seeing men acting like men again.
While I think many men yes these days have become a lot more feminime, I still can't say I agree with your reasoning. Like how or why is their confidence determined by if they approach women or not?, Personally I never been much interested in apporaching women in general, they can approach me if they want, cause as an example, I never met anyone in my life so far in my country that I ever wanted to date, so never wanted to do any approaching. Not confidence related, at least not for me.
I dont see how playing video games either is a bad thing, its a hobby, no different than reading or watching movies, im pretty sure if replace video-games with a book then suddly it would be instead that you "strengthen" your character, which no doubt is true that it can. Story telling wise, games have surpassed movies by far, quite a lot of books too. So always wisdom to be gained, always something to learn and reflect on. Which again leads to personal growth. Dont see how makes some feminine either to have a hobby like that.
Yes definitely. There are many reasons for this:
1) Feminism encouraging androgyny and believing in things like "toxic masculinity" pathologising it
2) Modern diets lead to low testosterone with high sugar, estrogen-mimicking ingredients like soy, plastic containers containing BPA, alcohol containing hops, even water containing chemicals such as female birth control
3) Sedentary lifestyles, mostly because of the technology we have these days, decreases testosterone levels - we barely have to get out of bed anymore
This is just what happens when society becomes too "safe". Masculinity becomes less valued, and kind of gets in the way. Those in power would rather us all be good passive consumers who do as we're told. This is nothing new, history repeats itself. Any society like this will turn it's men into weaklings eventually, until it collapses. It will only get worse I'm afraid. These guys think they're "free" when they stop being men, that they're different. That's obviously not the case.
If that were so, Hillary Clinton would be President.
Basically, a man is like a lazy dog. He doesn't want to do what he doesn't want to do. Men also like a high probability of success in whatever they do.
Since the advent of widescale women's lib 50+ years ago, women are free to shoot down men in ways that are not kind. It is that increased level of incivility from women that put a major damper on men being pro-active in asking women out.
At the same time, men now have other easier alternatives to dating. Masturbating takes care of orgasms and video games allow us to exercise the competitive/kill instincts. And, best of all, they are cheaper and the man doesn't feel he needs to be compared to all the other men you had sex with - and let's face it - that is what you do as evidenced by numerous female G@G questions.
So, when you get right to it, it's a cost benefit analysis.
When a woman is worth the cost and the risk of failure, a man will get involved with her, otherwise he will seek alternatives. That alternative may be another woman, but, after he does a lot of cost benefit analysis, he notices that most women aren't worth it, so he retreats into his own happy kingdom.
Something else:
Once men reach a certain age, we "are on to you". We stopped thinking with our dicks and start being much more critical about women and relationships. We have learned your tricks. We know that you "talk". We know that you have baggage and issues and, if we really want to get laid, then we will go younger to avoid the baggage and issues that you have developed. This is one reason why virgins are prefered; virgins don't compare us to previous men in the sack. Anyway, once men reach that certain age, they realize that they have the alternative to not bother with women because we are happy enough without them. Freedom becomes much more important and women do not enhance freedom.
When men try to be real men, psycho feminists come out of the woodwork and accuse them of the sorts of things that only a handful of uber-masculine whack jobs would ever actually do. And the psycho feminists will Kafkha-trial real masculinity to the grave, often failing to see their own sociopathic and extreme behavior.
After senile members of the old guard have routinely thrown these men under the bus to curry favor for the psycho bitches, men have felt betrayed, and have retreated inwards.
This retreat has had devastating consequences. Namely, emotional impotence. Which ultimately hurts both men and women. Women get bored with men that can't be real men. And men are emotionally emasculated out of fear of the next witch hunt, and cannot muster the courage to be real men when a woman needs him to be one.
And most women still realize that when they actually do need a man, all that lesbian crap is a piss poor substitute. That a lot turn to in the end anyway, out of frustrated desperation.
Someone who gets it!! But the way I look at it is like this: for all those males (not men) that have buckled their sense of masculinity under this socio-cultural dogma, and for those who do not have courage to take a stand against the current grain... Then I say perhaps in a abstract, metaphysical sense, maybe this is now a true test against those of us eho refuse to down, to buckle... I for one would rather be (in feminazi eyes) a misogynistic, sexist, xenophobic, woman hating pig of a man, and die a wholesome death after a long, prosperous, although difficult life, knowing that I kept my integrity as a human and as full red blooded man... In fact... Wouldn't you?
*In tact* damn typos lol
@FreshOutaIdeas : I will take up the task when the odds of self defense are reasonable. However, if you have to fight City Hall and can't get allies in time, all that makes you is a martyr. It takes a lot of martyrs before relatives get numerous enough and angry enough to shame the old guard. And the hags are incapable of shame for their actions.
I fully understand what your saying brother! I'm not asking for martyrdom, but there is a vacuum of 'cultural leadership' that needs to be filled by us few men, and show the cucks (I really do not use that word for belittling, it really is an accurate description no?) that it is ok to engage with your own sense of being - your inbuilt, pre-wired masculinity!
I do not suggest that we have to take to soap boxes (let alone (un) sociable media), to rant and rave because that'll only inflate and conflate the inferiority complexes of the metrosexual sphere. By going against the grain I simply suggest we live our lives by the virtues of what it means to be a man... And let the castrated ones watch and wonder. It's all about getting people to think, to realise, and then see how many of them break the shackles of the PC era we are subordinated to. Indeed, this particular subject matter is merely a symptom of a much wider, overarching agenda. Another conversation though.
@Madeon929 Indeed women are in panic mode! Whilst your hardly wrong in saying laws need to change, I think what's more important is a massive secular cultural shift in males, as ultimately it is the state that has been enforcing not only feminism/emasculation of males, but all other 'ills' we might associate with this PC age.
@FreshOutaIdeas: In other words, DrainTheSwamp? Yeah, we should've done that back in LBJ's day. Long overdue.
Ha, oh yes they are! Not all of them, but many... Like others have said, there is/has been a clear agenda to subvert and warp both masculinity and feminity, part of the globalist agenda and all...
But in the more immediate sense, what massively concerns me is just how far biological males have been 'castrated', cut off from their more base, primal instinctive psycho-biological makeup. I often refer to our current state of masculinity in western civilisation as 'socially gay', if you will... The amount of males (not men) that appear to be perfectly heterosexual, but look (with their soft, estrogen infused physical features) so damned effeminate, with their (often) skinny jeans, waxed chests and PC attitudes towards the fairer sex, frankly, bemuses and disgusts me!
Even more worringly, is in this gynocentric dystopia of ours, is this culture that has been bred within the mass psychology of the cucked male masses... For the few males that do still continue to exhibit the traditional traits of masculinity, both in the phsycial (yes girls, the hairy chests, the beards or indeed the suave, clean shaven 'misogynistic 007'), as well as the psychology (doesn't take shit from nobody, adores and supports his woman but won't take unecessary shit, provides 'emotional stability' etc); the new breed of gynocentric-androgyny males spit their feline venom at us, masking their inferiority complexes with their distate at our non-conformist, non-pc ways!
Hate to sound like a doomsayer, but I fear the millenial generation has a lot of failed 'test subjects' for men, and you women know it! That's why, I think, that there is so much divorce, and general discontent in many women, which helps give rise to the unnaceptable behaviour a lot of you gals get away with... 'Cos you can most times... Right?
Men are becoming what women have bitched and moaned for us to become for the last 40-50 years... but like typical females, they only what to bitch and moan about something and they actually don't want men to be the way the said they do, which is why they always go for the asshole while complaining about assholes.
Ironically, female happiness has been on the steady decline for the last 40 years as women get more and more of what they have been bitching and moaning about.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969
The reason men don't approach women is because if a guy approaches a female and she has even the slightest bit of distaste for him, she will play victim and claim sexual harassment or assault. Women have torn a rift between men and themselves by wanting it both ways and expecting males to simply adhere and read minds.
Sitting around the house playing video games is a shit ton easier than going out into a society that has been programmed to hate us simply for existing as males and having to dodge bullshit social justice garbage and rape monster shaming.
If women want men to be men... then stop feminism from ruining male female relationships with it's bullshit lies and anti-male propaganda.
This is perhaps the greatest answer that I've read thus far on this site. Well said.
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I agree. But to be perfectly honest, I think women are partially responsible for this. We have a lot of unrealistic expectations... feminists (in some ways, not all) have emasculated men. They complain if men are too dominating, and misconstrue everything as sexism. It's not fair to expect men to be both ways. Personally, I am more attracted to those strong, masculine attributes in a guy; wanting a man with feminine characteristics defeats the purpose of being with a man.
Do I agree with your statement? Yes. But I also believe that a good portion of this issue stems from tying their hands... taking offense when they are overbearingly masculine, and then acting disappointed when they aren't masculine enough. Something's gotta give.
Good answer 👍
I don't think those are feminine traits either. In any case you could say some men (and women too) have a hard time becoming adults and developing their personalities and capabilities, but I think that doesn't have to do with the gender, but with the society we live in.
You are insulting your own gender by categorizing those traits as "feminine".
Maybe they are "insecure" or "lacking of ambition", but "feminine" is not the right word here.
Besides, why is it such a bad thing that women actually have to lift a finger for the first time in millennia?
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You sir are a prodigy. I would give you two thumbs up if I could.
Have you ever considered that they simply don't want to approach women and enjoy video games and anime? I. e. MGTOW. We ingrain into women that their happiness derives from everything NOT involving a man, family, friends, hobbies, children, pets, careers etc while simultaneously judging a man by how many women he's chasing.
I think you're conflating two issues into one, sure some men are pretty effeminate nowadays... but that has nothing to do with them being unsuccessful with women or even wanting to be with women in the first place. Being a single male with money in the bank, in the modern western world is probably the sweetest joy in all of human history (sorry ladies, you wouldn't understand). Let the little scamps be!
So you're saying all the dateless wonders on GAG should chill the **** out and play video games?
Playing video games is their choice and has fuck all to do with their confidence or "strengthening their character", whatever that means. Maybe in-game, they strengthen their character.
Men are men. It's the young boys that are becoming spoilt daisies and can't do trivial tasks such as win some bread and pay the bills.
You associate entertainment with weakness, an inaccurate observation. I like to take time out once a year and disappear in the world of video games, yet I have no trouble with socialising, approaching women or taking care of my responsibilities.
If you are saying that is feminine, then what do you consider yourself?
I'd say we enjoy playing video games and don't care enough to go out and get a girlfriend (at least I currently don't). It's a choice. It's not "too feminine".
Are men in general too soft at my age? Yes but sadly women are more and more like men now. The genders are just meeting in the middle with neither side happy thinking that's what the other one wants.
You can be different and equals at the same time. Once my generation realise that they'll stop trying to play up to the crap the Media has been feeding us.
Like playing video games is a waste of time... speak for yourself, the decisions i made in real life were influenced by video games and i can't complain about my own personal life being bad, i made right decisions rather than act on some "friend's" sugestions that were stupid and totally off the rails, men today are what women are today because society focuses more on the "laid back" kind of life, men used to hunt, fight and die with honor not sit in an office, drive home and watch tv... like saying a lion born in a zoo is the same with one born in the wild:))
I think there's less pressure to be stereotypically "manly" and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think being strong or being able to change a tire makes you a "man". I think your commitment family, friends and your significant other makes you a man. Your willingness to stand up for whats right. Your desire to create the best life for yourself self and those around you. Those are the kind of things that make you a man.
Personally I think those make you a good or bad human, there are differences in men and women, physically, spiritually, mentally. Not acknowledging this would be appreciating the idea of men and woman thinking the same, having the same reaction to scenarios, being the same... You yourself would have to share the responsibility of confronting a criminal in your house with your man, you would actually have to walk in front without it being strange. You would have to let him bend over at times for a sexual encounter with you and a strap on dildo. You chosen would not have a dad and a mom, they would have parents that has no gender And no ambitioun to be feminine or manly, only the same in everything. Which would also pressure you personally into being a handy man, installing appliances, appreciating his makeup ability, accepting him when he decides it's dress day for him. Etc.
@Foseumate
From who?
Men are becoming somewhat more feminine/emasculated due to the feminist law system which is enforced by a small group of powerful men for their own benefit, the rest of the male population is subdued and women are pushed into being more like men which creates this situation which is not sustainable.
So mainly it is the womens fault for wanting equality when it is not possible due to male biological superiority, but also the fault of the group of men in power who exploit this to get the votes of the female population.
Sure... and females are being way too masculine nowadays: they're demanding equal pay and actually speaking for themselves!!! How BLASPHEMOUS!! The world is falling APART!!!
Your question is sexist to women (because you equate a "femininity" with someone who "[doesn't] do anything to strengthen their character") and men (because you're saying we have to act like some macho, bring-home-the-bacon man). Basically, men should stick to our traditional gender role? As long as we're happy and respectful to others and society, I don't see a problem.
The only feminine part to me is skinny jeans. I mean some guys can pull it off but for the most part, I hate when guys wear skinny jeans...
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Whatever happened to regular bootcut jeans lol
I agree, this is something that I have come to notice also. And dont forget men who have sounding voices and high pitch. Thats very annoying. I like a guy who has a deep manly voice. But again thats just my preference. Even in music and the style of dress that a lot of guys wear, they wear clothing that is more catered to females. Guys clothing have gotten more fitted over the years. The skinny jeans and fitted puffer coats seems to be the norm look in my area that I stay in. I dont like it at all. Im not saying a guy has to dress in baggy clothing, but there is nothing wrong with bootcut jeans. They still look nice.
I don't like how you connect femininity with not having any self-confidence and not approaching other people. Maybe that's true for you but in that case, speak for yourself and don't drag women or "femininity" into it. I would call it being a "loner", not being "feminine".
Some guys are like that, some aren't. What they want to do in their spare time is their choice. Idgaf if some guy decides to sit inside all day and play video games if that's what he wants to do. It's his right and it has nothing to do with me or my existence, so I don't see why I should get my panties in a bunch for it.
Nah I think you're overthinking it. Guys can sometimes like more stereotypically feminine things (I. e. Clothes, hair etc) but that doesn't make them more feminine and less masculine. And even if it did, what's the problem with that? It doesn't affect you? Just pay attention to the men who you deem to be 'masculine' as oppose to 'feminine'.
I don't personally think strength of character has anything to do with being a man specifically - kind of a gender neutral but desirable trait all of its own. I think that guys are less confident these days but it's due to lack of socialization, not "femininity."
Do you think maybe they are so turned off by comments like these that they have a good reason for not approaching us. I'm not sure if it's a lack of confidence or they're just sick of being insulted the way this questioner and some of respondents insulted them here.
@Jennifer88 I think that has a lot to to with it my friend.
I know guys that play video games, improve themselves, do strength training, have plenty of confidence BUT they do not approach women because they know it's a waste of time.
It seems you are just annoyed that men would rather play video games than approach women or give you the time of day.
This will only increase in the future.
Yes both genders due to hormones in the environment are becoming more androgynous. Also media is slowly making androgyny popular.
The femininity and masculinity are lost somewhere.
The video games are fake accomplishments and escapism from reality.
Yes, you can't really put roles on genders.
My husband plays a ton of video games.
He also didn't approach me first.
But he is a "man" in that he provides for his family financially and he spends time with his kids when he can. He also fixes the house/car when his wife tells him to.
I have met guys who don't play video games, guys who would ask me out first... but for some reason I didn't go for that. It wasn't because he wasn't manly enough or anything like that. It was for a lot of other reasons I won't go into. But the point is, there are a lot of different types of guys out there! Just don't categorize all guys into one group and then label them. That's not fair to them at all. good luck finding your man. I know it can be frustrating when you haven't found the one and it seems everyone else has.
Nowadays femininity and masculinity don't even exist because everything is gender neutral ( clothes, makeup , hobbies, etc..) and I don't get it first women say they want a guy whose more emotional and sweet and adorable and when they are we suddenly have a problem with it like WTF. Think of a "masculine woman" it's more accepted and I will admit even though I am a woman that it's sexist towards men to say they can't be feminine (gay, straight, bi, whatever) and the things you said have NOTHING to do with femininity, not all men are confident and not all women a have a low self esteem ( that what you're making it seem like you're saying) and people have different personalities. STOP ADDRESSING SOMETHING TO ONLY ONE GENDER WHEN PEOPLE can't CONTROL HOW CONFIDENT THEY ARE , THEIR EMOTIONS , OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY can't CONTROL.
Not having confidence doesn't make someone feminine. Just like having confidence doesn't make someone masculine.
And how is playing videogames bad?
And what do you suggest men do to "strengthen their character"
You seem overly harsh on men for no reason. If you don't like a guy, don't date him, or maybe he won't approach you. But :) a lot of women are very happy with the men in their lives.
What you are describing isn't femininity. I think it has more to do with lack of social skills. Video games do nothing to help the basic skills of human interaction.
I beg to differ. Video games can help social interaction for the extremely introverted by removing the physical judgement aspect of it. It's most notable in online games (assuming the people aren't toxic). I find it quite fun and relaxing to voice chat with complete strangers that I'll never meet in person.
@SarahsSummer I'm not debating whether or not it's full human interaction. I know it's not. But I completely disagree with your statement that "Video games do nothing to help basic skills of human interaction". They definitely help, but it's just not throwing them in the deep end of the social pool and telling them to survive. But I do agree with your first 2 statements.
@SarahsSummer I agree there too. However, in order to interact face to face and carry a conversation, you have to have conversation skills. Of course, on paper, all of this is easy. But we both know in reality it isn't. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many questions on how to approach people you like or how to make friends. There would also be less bitter people because people would know how to take a hint that they aren't wanted. But in that universe, there wouldn't be a need for hints because we'd be able to effectively communicate it without it. Now, I did go on a bit of a tangent, but the steps do eventually lead up to this outcome. That being said, I'm all for letting people build up the social skills they need via whatever means necessary so that they don't fail at human interaction to the point they feel like taking their own life.
@SarahsSummer I don't think what she used are examples of feminine things. Do I think men are being more feminine? More so than the past but I don't think they are too feminine. I still don't see men taking up the old gender roles that were associated with women.
Pretty arrogant to say that someone's interest in this games are not masculine. WTF. That's pretty judgmental.
Frankly a lot of guys are decent guys, but are shamed for being decent. Which is appalling. In the same way that attention seeking women slut shame good sweet girls to not be sexual at all.
Leading to a strange situation in which women act sexual around guys who are less decent and often less attractive than the original good guys who they actually like, but act innocent around.
Being nice does not mean you're not a man. What twisted logic!
Video games do not make someone feminine.
Men probably don't approach women for various reasons. One of which is because a lot of you think you're entitled to way more than you actually deserve.
You also set the ignorantly high to the point of where you're looking for something that basically doesn't exist.
Further more to that even if it did exist, the vast majority of you "females" wouldn't and couldn't match those high standards on YOUR end.
Essentially, women are the problem... period. Cry, whine, disagree all you want, call me sexist, blah blah blah. Facts!!
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The amount of guys who can afford to literally play games all day is really really low. Maybe at uni or in school but majority of people need to work and may enjoy things like video games in their free time which there is nothing wrong with. I myself play LoL all the time with my boyfriend as a hobby/free time activity. I also don't see the connection between video games and being feminine. I disagree with everything you wrote and in general men are not too feminine.
No. There's a whole movement of men dedicated to improving their lives and refusing to put up with modern entitled women and marry them. Men are gaining more self respect and have had enough of unappreciative and narcissistic chicks. Its called MGTOW. there's nothing more masculine I can think of then not giving a fuck what others think and living for yourself. Men are sick of being seen as disposable by society and as ATM's by women. So we are reinventing masculinity.
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MGTOW aren't reinventing masculinity, neither are feminists. You can't reinvent it, it's been the way it has been for thousands of years. It's human nature. I understand not wanting to marry bitches and that it's hard to find a good woman (it always has been, only the best men get the best women), but no MGTOW guy I've spoken to has been particularly masculine. Maybe that's why they struggle so much with women. Not caring what people think of you and living for yourself isn't masculine. If anything masculinity is about what men expect from each other (not women) - strength, courage, honour, competence. Most guys who say they don't care what people, especially other guys, think of them are usually weedy, wimpy, effeminate... The complete opposite of masculine. They're all of those things because they don't care that other men don't respect them for being weak.
Okay but just because you've never met a MGTOW man like that doesn't mean they dont exist. However good point about masculinity. I suppose I should have said we are abandonding expectations of masculinity from women.
I don't know if they do exist but again, most aren't masculine at all. Most are quite wimpy and beta. They're often the mirror of these fat feminists who get angry at any expectation put on women to be slim, good looking, attractive, to be able to cook, do things for a man etc. They see everything to do with gender as sexist and get so angry about it because they're obsessed with equality - which is bullshit by the way, men and women aren't the same and never will be. These guys often aren't really happy, all they do is complain on their forums to each other about feminism and modern women. Not that some of their arguments aren't valid when it comes to a lot of women, but that doesn't lead to a happy life at all but a sad one full of negativity and loneliness.
Nope actually women become like men.. women lost their feminine side because if which men would rather watch porn and play games than approaching women...
1.) A lot of girls have friends with benefits and shit... which is not the type of girl most guys would go for who wants a serious relationship...
2.) Another resource us many good girls are just not available!! So who to approach? We don't approach just any girl...
3.) Most girls have unrealistic expectations... many girls don't date a short guy.. Even if the girl is shorter then the guy... Most girls round prefer 6 feet and above...
4.) Most girls play mind games a lot... most of them even flirt and all just to get a confidence boost... Which leaves us confused...
5.) conclusion - playing games on computer is much better than all this shit
I don't see anything wrong with playing video games.
And I don't approach women because I don't find myself in social situations where it would be possible. Doing it on the street is, as far as I have understood from women here on gag, just not ok and should be avoided.
long ago men and females were picking berries together, it was decided that the males should hunt while the woman kept safe and stayed to pick berries.
In time the males became more dominant, thougher etc while the females kept picking berries and obeyed the males.
Suddenly the womans decided they wanted to have rights, power etc and so it came to be as they slowly became equals with the males again.
Over time the difference between male and female was no more,
so the answer to the question is no, the females just became more manly and the males became less manly because the females could take care of them self's now rendering the males manly-ness unnecessary.
Time just moves in circles...
This is the reason why I went gay! Because women do not know what they want anymore! First you want the nice guy sensitive to your feelings some one you can boss around! Now you want the strong many John Wayne type to come and grab you and drag you into the bedroom. I am Done with women! At least men know what they want don't change their minds or play games. period
Fairly sure you can't pick to be gay. I've never had a an active choice with who I find sexually attractive. It just happens.
Yes, they are becoming feminine. It's because we are slowly becoming feminised.
There are several reasons for this, so I'll break it down in bullet points;
* The contraception effect: more and more women are going on the pill. With this, their taste in men have changed from masculine reproduction to feminine male companions. The feedback to this is that men will change their behaviour to meet this demand.
* Men are castigated for guy behaviour. With the growth of pc culture, rough housing, locker room talk and lad attitudes are castigated. Men are slowly being feminised at school.
* Priorities: men no longer prioritise having a family, being successful or etc, society has essentially demonised success as "privilege". With that in mind. it's easier to sit behind a game rather than develop a skill.
TL;DR... society is slowly removing the M in male.
no, we just know were unwanted and unloved, because girls assume things about guys of how were expected to be when in fact were not, plus girls don't give a damn about guys, and therefore girls refuse to approach us. girls also think were for personal gain such as money for example and were not for that at all.
Jesus Fu (king Christ, do you think you're insulting them enough? And you whine about them never approaching? If guys talked about me like that, I'd avoid them too. It's time to give the guys a break, especially the young ones who are so confused they don't know what to do. There are some pretty decent guys out there and it probably wouldn't hurt us if we did a little of the approaching ourselves. We can't put all the blame on them, we have faults and they have faults. Beating up on them is know way to go about it. Being feminine or masculine is irrelevant. The quality of a man's (or woman's) character is not dependent on him having a deep voice or a girls smelling nice. This is pure pettiness and alienates the guys.
because playing videogames = being feminine...
honestly, some of topics i read on here i would expect to see written in shit on the wall of a mentally ill patients room.
I dont go out of my way to approach women any more because 90% of them are borderline psychopaths and class it as harassment, and then they complain about never being approached.
without going off on a rant, I can't be bothered with the hassle when it comes to women most are not worth my effort.
Women like this questioner ruin it for the rest of us. No wonder the boys at school ignore us, who can blame them.
Playing vedio game all the time isn't feminine.
Being afraid to approach other sex isn't feminine.
I don't understand what you are talking about.
Feminine or not, i like guys who are kind and know what's right or not.
That's not femininity though? That's laziness and poor work ethic. Being feminine doesn't equal not working on yourself? How did you get from A to B.
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most women are garbage today. why should these men bother? furthermore do you know who says "where did all good men go" usually? basic beta bitches that began growing old, and try to blame them attracting men less on men... .
androgynous is the new age agenda actually. women became mroe manly as well.
Girl, I've just lectured some dude on this post regarding what I think of why most women are "garbage" (which I only agree with in part). Feel free to disagree but as a fella, who does not fit this new gynocentric age of male androgyny at all... Let me say this... Most of the 'garbage' in the female species has perhaps on the one hand been brainwashed by feminism etc etc, but what I see in day to day life, is not actually hordes of red haired landwhale feminazis, but feminine (in appearance at least), who despise the fact that there simply aren't many masculine, authoritative men in their lives at all - bar perhaps the old man or uncle bob who "was born in the 60's" lol... I find that most women secretly grow to despise the weakness in these cuckolded biological males that have taught to tell their women that "they'll be nice, caring and emotionally "supportive" (weak). This gives rise to much of what is undeniably despicable behaviour exhibited in females these days
@FreshOutaIdeas just wanted to fix for you one thing. Being nice, caring, and emotionally supportive does not mean weakness. although yes some weak guys are like that 'because they don't have no other choice to do and they are scared', there are some very strong guys who chose to be like that as well. Being nice does not mean you are weak. You can still be nice and strong at the same time. As long as no one crosses their limit with you, there is no reason to show them your scary side.
@Battooot Yes your quite right! Perhaps bad wording on my part as I don't think being genuinely caring or supportive is a bad (or "weak") trait at all! That's the foundation that genuine relationships are built on! To clarify, the cuckolded male will often say these things, only to be emotionally unstable or "weak" himself, thus not being able to provide the woman with the cooperative emotional stability that she needs and wants. Wether women wish to accept this biological reality or not.
Don't you think we're scaring them away with posts/questions like this? I find most of the comments (not yours) here pretty insulting to the guys?
Reluctantly, I have to agree. There are some pretty bitter women out there and their way of dealing with it is to lash out at the guys.
What is androgynous?
@Jennifer88 To use a dictionary definition: A state of appearing neither masculine or feminine.
Basically think of a male, that looks very "neutral" or even "girly" in his looks and the way he acts. Equally take a woman that looks "neutral" or even very "masculine/butch" for a woman.
@FreshOutaIdeas Oh, like David Bowie or Marilyn Manson?
@Jennifer88 Yeah you got it!
Oh definitely!
I'm a man and I am scared of approaching these blue-haired side of the head-shaved women which look like barbarians - dumbbells hanging from their ears and all.
Hell, I am jealous of the gay people... I'm willing to bet that men are more approachable than women.
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@Heemus_Christ I just hate dumb questions ahaha. I mean the answer to this one is dead obvious and it has nothing to do with feminized males... the chick is simply too old
Video games is WAY more of a man thing. It was almost purely guys that played them in the 80s and 90s.
I don't approach women anymore because I have mostly given up on finding a good match for myself. After I got divorced, I was too pissed off for a few years after to even consider dating anyone. And even now I would only consider it if she asked me first to show that she is more willing to take the lead and not ALWAYS depend on me to do everything in the relationship to make her feel wanted and I just feel like I am never perused once in a relationship. F that.
Why do you think them "not doing anything to strengthen their character" is a feminine trait?
I don't like guys who don't care about self improvement (everyone should care about self improvement) but I'm not sure why some guys not doing anything to self- improve makes them seem more feminine?
I do like playing video games, always have. I don't think that's really a feminine trait. However, most guys are afraid to approach these days given that a lot of girls just want attention/validation and nothing more and don't want to waste their time. Or, a lot of girls label a guy as "creepy" if he's even slightly shy, socially awkward or if they just don't find him attractive. Again i don't think that's feminine, just more of a "why bother?" or "risk is greater than the reward" type of attitude. And tbh it really is a case of the few spoiling it for the many because the above mentioned types of women are in the minority.
But, to add to your list, I think guys are feminine these days due to the amount of bitching about other guys they do, especially behind each others backs. Confrontation is a particularly masculine thing and a lot of guys would rather be sneaky, two faced and employ underhanded tactics to avoid it. Which is something that tends to be feminine.
It's true. But videogames got nothing to do 😂
I understand that you trying to say that men nowadays spend too much time doing useless things than doing something more productive. It's sadly true, but it doesn't apply to everyone though. I play videogames, but I also got a life 😂😂
As long as they are not harming anyone then it's none of our business. This woman only cares what men are doing because it is not benefiting her.
Sounds like a personal issue. Maybe quality men just don't want to approach you? There is always that lol. Do you think it's very rational to not blame yourself and literally every man in the world instead?
Men no longer have the same pressure to conform to society's expectations of the 'manly man'. Instead of having to be into sports, to be 'hard', to like fighting, to be a leader, we now have more freedom to be who we want to be.
Masculine and feminine are old-fashioned words that suppress people's real personalities, dreams, and beliefs by pressuring them to be a certain person.
I think this is closest to an accurate answer... masculinity and femininity are traditional, old-fashioned concepts that are apart of sexism. And essentially, some, not all but most of these traditional concepts that ruled our so-called wise ancestors are apart of many problems and chaos in the world today... from religion to demographics, etc.,
I honestly prefer men that have a balance of Masculinity & Feminine.
I honestly don't see how what you said makes a man feminine, though? Fear of Approaching women isn't feminine, it's just fear and insecurity..
They are allowed to be however they want, as long as they like it.
Sounds like these (men) you're around, are really little boys. When a grown man wants something he goes after it. They would work, pay their own bills, maybe live on their (age) takes care of their own.. you know what I mean. Being shy is one thing, but I don't know what you exactly mean by feminine. And they wouldn't play video games all the time.. find a different group of guys.
got this from the book titled the Alabaster girl: "We are the children of men. We had a father who stood upon this earth… on a battlefield… with a sword in his hands… with the same champion blood coursing through our veins as his… and we’re afraid to talk to that girl over there?"
its not that i'm afraid that she's gonna bite me, i'm just sick and tired of risking rejection all the damn time, or when i ask a girl out, set up a date with her, she ends up flaking on me, ghosting on me, or i get first dates but no second dates.
Yes and i actually just did a take discussing that yesterday
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a33841-feminization-of-males-the-influence-it-has-on-our-society
My boyfriend is pretty guy-ish, but he can be what is considered "feminine" or "girly". He likes taking care of himself and being clean. But he has confidence and a very strong personality, so although he has feminine traits, he doesn't seem like less of a man, as you have described.
I prefer feminine guys and I think many woman do - they are usually the ones with the highest number of females who are interested in them. If you notice - extremely masculine guys almost never get hit on or asked out - its the somewhat feminine guys that everybody goes for. That guy in the photo would describe my dream guy.
Even though he is too shy to approach you?
@sweetshyguy I'm sure he would approach me if he liked me and though the had a good chance with me
What if the only way to get him was if you approached him?
@sweetshyguy I don't chase but I would offer enough hints that chasing would not be necessary
So you're saying women are pussies with little value? Damn, why so much hate for your own gender? :/
so not being confident is a sign a femininity?
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No. I am a gamer geek. I love nerdy guys. And if they are Feminine it is attractive. I am a dominant woman. I am not afraid to make the first move. If anything it makes me feel good that a guy is shy around me. I am sick and tired of this gender idealism. I have met plenty of gamers who are not afraid to ask a woman out.
You are the best! :) you have all my respect and admiration, we love women like you.
Another girl trying to say that men should do all the hunting. Times change. You should adjust accordingly and stop whining.
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