Why do some guy's turn into rabid monkeys flinging their feaces when I say Chris Helmsworth & Jason Momoa are REAL MEN?

[Britantic]

[EugeneQWhipplewart]

Can't speak for Helmsworth or Momoa, but I've known many real men, two of whom are my Dad and my Granddad. My Dad was in the US Navy, went through the Cuban Missile Crisis, boxed both Golden Gloves and in the Navy, and worked both with his brain and his hands, and never shied away from even the most daunting of tasks. My Granddad fought the length of the US involvement in World War Two, taking a German tracer in his thigh; he came home and married my Grandma and took my Dad and two aunts as his own; and worked outside almost up to the day he died at the age of ninety. Both of them never, ever laid a finger in anger on my Mother or Grandmother; worked forty-plus (often the plus, Dad having four jobs at one point in my childhood) to put food on the table, keep a roof over the head, clothes on the back, and even a little extra for spending for their little ones. Jason Momoa and Chris Helmsworth can play the Superhero all that they wish on the big screen; the two real Superheroes I saw day in and day out, the REAL Real Men (and if anyone was like Clint Eastwood or John Wayne, it was my Dad and Granddad) that I know, and love, are my Dad and Granddad. There's a scene from A Bronx Tale that best explains the REAL Man in life...

[Dongtai]

Because no one likes being compared to someone they’re not. The terms “real man” or even “real woman”’s definitions are completely dependent on the person using the word.

To one a real man could be one who’s physically built, tall, loud/proud, sheds no tears and earns a lot of money.

To another a real man could be one who’s confident in himself regardless of his outer appearance, he may shed a tear but he’s in full control of his emotions both aggression and sensitivity, may not make a lot of cash but is living his dream.

When you tell someone what is real, you’re basically saying they’re not good enough unless they fit that specific image. This is why women kill themselves metaphorically and physically to “look” pretty. It’s why guys die emotionally/mentally before either snapping and shooting up a school or themselves because they’re hiding their feelings to look “like a man”.

The attitude of your post is a very harmful one. Let people be who they are. Who the hell are you to say what makes a man a real one? You’re not even a man.

[EyeAmNiceGirl]

I'll tell you why. The guys know that any girl/woman who says these guys are "real men" know the girl is saying it only because of the height and muscles, and 99% of guys can't compete with them in the height and muscle department. The guys also realize that the girl is blind to the reality of these men's character, and basically resent the girl for only caring about the oversized muscles without giving any consideration to these men's characters. Sort of the opposite of how girls get pissed off when guys are all enamored with a porn star -- the girl know that (a) all the guy cares about is the looks and willingness to show it off, (b) 99% of girls don't have a body that is that good, and (c) at the same time, the guy doesn't care at all that the porn star is, well, about a low is goes as far as character goes, and that really pisses the girl off.

[Levin]

I think it's pretty much equivalent of saying a girl with big boobs and a booty is a 'real woman'.

Probably a troll question of sorts. Mostly just coarse and stupid.

[Anonymous]

They are real men but so is every other guy. Having muscles doesn't define you as a man or not, if you have XY chromosomes, you're a real man. It's probably for the same reason women get mad if you hold up a photo of a model and say "This is what a real woman looks like." It's like you're dissing everybody else cause they don't meet your specific standard.

[GoodManDave]

Depends how everyone defines real men.

Plus, in my life, I've had a LOT of experiences where I'm scolded for even saying that a woman is beautiful. I'm not allowed to even think that much. I'm a pig for it. I've been screamed at by just about any woman I've ever met for saying a woman was gorgeous, attractive, or even "cute." Or even saying that I thought some waitress looked like someone famous. And yet most of these same women are allowed to hoot and holler about some guy, and obsess over them, say some graphic "girl talk" Personally up to a point, I don't really care, usually. I tend to ignore it because I try to ignore most girl talk in general. Not my thing.

Now I figure that if a woman can oggle some guy in front of me and go into graphic detail about some sexual stuff they'd love to do to some guy or grunt and groan about some guy, I should get to be able to say some female celebrity is attractive on occasion without constantly told that showing any interest is the filthiest, most chauvinistic thing a man can say. Even a genuine (clean) compliment I usually get told off for.

But I think personally that the Hemsworths seem like cool guys to me. I get how women would be all into them. I'd hang out with them. Momoa seems ok, though I haven't seen as much of his work.

Perhaps it's because some guys get insulted about it because women will insult them to their faces WHILE praising some star. Obviously, there's be some clapback if a woman does that. Some guys ARE overly senstive, but I don't think most guys are unless you obviously insult them while praising the others (just as I think most people would (male or female)).

[SpringVenus]

It's the same as when men or women skinnyshame or fatshame women by saying things like "Real women have curves" or "Real women have a small waist". It's simply not true. You should honestly keep your tastes in men separate from saying "real men are...". They aren't offended because they're jealous or even childish, they're offended because your opinion is toxic masculinity. It's fine to have a preference, but don't distinguish your tastes as "real men", I'm sure you wouldn't want a guy saying that about you not being a "real woman", so do the same for them.

[FeministDestroyer]

wouldn't her opinion be toxic femininity? not masculinity

[ShadowofRegret]

I personally do not care, but as to why they react that way...

I believe it is same reason some women would do the same if a man said a model was a real woman, some people who have insecurities tend to lash out when someone says something that brings said insecurities to mind.

Think of it like this, an overweight woman who hears someone say a fit woman is at a good weight, chances are, the overweight woman would lash out in the manner you described because they reminded her of something she was trying to deny.

Of course, those who have nothing to be insecure about do not react that way.

[englisc]

It depends on what you define as being a "real man".

If you're saying these these are real men because they play manly characters in movie - these men are actors. What they do is play a character of a warrior or a hero on a screen. They're really good at looking the part and pretending.

But there are real warriors and heroes that don't play. Men in the military, the police force, the fire service. Men in real warzones, shooting and being shot at. Cops risking their lives catching real dangerous men, drug dealers, gangsters. Men knocking down doors and rushing into burning buildings. Real danger, real skills, real strength, real balls. They're the real men.

These men are rich, pampered pretty boys. They train to look a certain way in the gym, to look a certain way on a film. That's it. The real life heroes don't look so pretty, they're too busy doing man shit to worry about that.

[BigPunny]

It probably has nothing to do with the names you're comparing other men to and instead the fact that you're essentially saying "if you aren't like these two, you aren't real men."

Women attempting to define what a man is or isn't is not only ridiculous, but misandrist. Men are real, actual men. Those two guys you mentioned are both "real men," but so are all the other men out there.

It's a sexist statement; I'm fairly certain you wouldn't want to deal with a bunch of guys saying you weren't a real woman because of some physical difference you had between yourself and [insert hot chick here].

If women want to be treated right, they should most certainly not try and boil what a 'man' is down by their physical appearance.

[ChurchOfIron]

I believe the implication is that if a guy doesn't lift, he is therefore not a man. So some men might take it that way. Idgaf. They have respectable physiques. Jason Momoa particularly. It's hard to look that jacked while being that tall. More bone = more muscle needed to fill out the frame, which is why most Mr. Olympias have been under 6 foot. It's harder to look that good with a lot of bone. In that sense, it screams "superior genetics". I would love to have a physique like Jason's old one. I heard he let himself go a bit, though.

[holograph]

Because you are presumably talking to young guys lacking confidence who don't want to be held to the standard of those two. That said, you shouldn't expect every guy to be one of those two because you'll most likely wind up disappointed yourself. But it's not wrong of you to still think those two guys are hot. Many men certainly have been interested in certain famous women whether they're porn stars or other celebrities or what and that's also fine as long as they're not expecting every woman to look/act the exact same way.

[mattdzz]

I guess it depends on what your definition of a man is. If you think they are what real men should look like at their peak, that's fine, we could think similar things about women. But, real men aren't defined by their abs, in my opinion.
Aspects such as loyalty, dependability, and the motivation to provide for you and your future children and sacrifice for you would be better indicators of what a REAL MAN is. But are your age you may not care much about those things.

[Anonymous]

Hemsworth and Momoa are professional actors who are paid millions of dollars to keep their bodies in shape to look good in film roles. I don't know what other personal accomplishments they;ve attained that would make them any more real men than loads of other men who aren't tall and don't look like them. It is insulting to say that these guys are the only "real" men because of how they look. A quality man is much more than his external appearance or height.

[hellionthesagereborn]

eh, its probably because your picking to actors who've probably never had to do anything particularly manly in their life meanwhile we have soldiers who have fought and killed and been shot and stabbed and still kept fighting that don't have six packs. Just a guess though. But hey if you like shallow and meaningless "masculinity" i. e. they have muscles and not much else, go for it, not like its some great loss (I personally couldn't give a damn, doesn't effect me in the slightest).

[0112358]

Could be they find the idea you need to be on drugs to be a “real man” a bit odd.

Hell even Momoa’s “not filming” body is a “dad bod” to some people.

[Britantic]

His dad's bod is so sexy

[Oram52]

What makes them real men? Muscles?
You're entitles to your opinion but others are also entitles to disagree. I doubt they're flinging their feaces I think they're just disagreeing about the premise of real men. Should we make categories of real women based on Victoria's Secret Models?

Nothing wrong with having preferences or liking muscular men. But there are NO "real" men same way there are no real women.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

Who the fuck are these people?
I know the blonde guy is thor, but I haven't seen any of the movies, and haven't seen any of his other roles

The 2nd guy is all over G@G, i don't know what movies he is in either

We need real heroes! We have them in our history. Gotta stop watching Hollywood movies people

[TripleAce]

Oh ya real men lol dont buy everything you see sparky

[TripleAce]

And if i decide to fling feces. I will
I just choose not to, right now 😌

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Throws poop at the wall in disgust

[Britantic]

God Momoa is such a real man even when he's not jacked

[armleg]

I work as a manual laborer full time. I have no problem getting the work done, but visually I'm very skinny. These are fake men, they just work out in the gym and play make believe (something that isn't helpful for humanity and only serves to make people more shallow.) I am a real man, I am doing what is necessary to keep the world running, but women think these fake men are the real men because they're sexy, and then have the audacity to say we're toxic.

[_William_]

Because if I was to say that some skinny girl with a massive rack was a real woman I'd get hate due to body positivity. In both of the pics they have great muscle definition which is not achieveable without hours at the gym

[Oram52]

"they have great muscle definition which is not achieveable without hours at the gym "
Disagree with that part. You don't have to go to gym either. 30-40 min would do just fine if all you desire is aesthetics. 90% is diet.

[_William_]

Was just to prove a point that with this body positivity wave there's a lot less focus on women having to live up to skinny ideologies while it's still ok to demand a man to be a hunk of muscle

[Oram52]

Yeah I get your point. Though I would add we can at least be healthy and slim.

[_William_]

Yea of course

[Levin]

Who really cares, either way.

Most people don't really compare themselves to two filmstars who ate something stupid like 12000 calories per day to get like that.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you're just one, I'm sure, perfectly nice 17 year old girl. Your opinion isn't the be all and end all.

[Zachpat3213]

We don’t? But if we did, it’s because you’re living in fantasyland. Hollywood/social media wants you to believe that they are. We don’t know anything about these people. We never will. Only what the internet/magazines wants us to believe. Celebs could be the shittiest people on the face of the planet but you won’t care because they have good looks or are in your favorite movie/show. Don’t get me wrong, some of them might be. But only the people close to them know that.

[Sevenpointfive]

[Bananaman177]

Because of their bodies?

So they could be child molesters and they would still be REAL MEN as long as they are tall and have abs?

Sure, good luck in life.