These terms have been around far longer than this online stuff has existed. This is a gross oversimplification and shows a lack of thought and knowledge on this subject.
@Chimeguy: These terms have existed long when describing animals, but using these terms to describe human men is a more recent phenomenon made popular online.
Sorry, that’s just not true. I was around before the internet, and they were being used to describe humans before that.
@Chimeguy: Prove it
Well I can’t post links, but I did look it up. I have my own personal experiences, so I had to go look up the actual references. But here is the quotes from sources. Even after discussion of alpha males was well established in various fields of animal behavior, though, the concept was rarely applied to humans. What changed that, at least in part, was the release of the Dutch primatologist Frans de Waal’s book Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes in 1982. “I don’t think the term alpha male was in use outside of primatology when I wrote Chimpanzee Politics,” de Waal told me in an email.It started becoming more popular in the mid to late 90s. Sorry, you’re still wrong. You sit here and talk like an expert when you have no clue what you were talking about. It only took a few minutes of looking online to find this. But I also heard the references with my own ears many times when I was younger.
@Chimeguy: Oh please. Your source simply suggests that people used the term to apply to humans here and there in the past. That doesn't exactly prove that it was popular to refer to human men as "alpha males" or "beta males" back then. Where is your proof that it was popular in the 90s? I don't want an example of, say, one person or a handful of people calling another man "alpha male" or "beta male" in the 90s. I need evidence of it being used in a similar way that it's used today with similar frequently. Show me several old books on the subject, magazines, newspaper articles, old websites, use of the phrase in many past movies and TV shows, and so on, and compared them to the same stuff today. If you can do that, then I would be convinced and admit that I was wrong. Hell, I'm 30 and when I was in high school and college, nobody was using these terms like they were using them today and that wasn't even execrably that long ago. As far as I'm concerned, these terms have always mostly described animals, not human men. This "alpha" and "beta" male bullshit used to describe human men didn't start really taking off until the mid-2010s.
Whatever, I don’t have to provide a citation of that to you. You just got your ass blasted because you are wrong. That article continues to go on to talk about how it became more popular in the 90s though. You are so full of yourself and your useless opinion that you just think you know everything. You’re also horribly judgmental of other people. And I already told you I can’t post links. I’m not bending over backwards for you. It happened, you’re wrong. My guess is that you are the kind of person who labels anyone an incel who disagrees with you.
I’m out. You can live with the fact that you’re wrong and you can’t admit it. Have fun in your echo chamber.
@Chimeguy: You showed me an article that mentioned a handful of instances of it being used to refer to human men in the 90s. Big deal. I never denied it that people used it to refer to human men at any time period. Yet, that doesn't mean it was "popular" back then. You didn't show me exactly how it was popular or comparable to how it was used today. I asked for you to show me several old books on the subject, magazines, newspaper articles, old websites, use of the phrase in many past movies and TV shows, and so on, but you didn't do that. I need more than just one article mentioning just a few instances. Nowadays, it's so common, you even have young boys trying to be "alpha males." Also, the only person being judgmental is you and getting all upset for no reason. If you can't post links, then that's not my problem. When you get the chance to, please prove your case, or just drop it.
Please. I don’t care. You’re the one who was provided a source and can’t take it. Keep crying. I’m not looking up tv shoes and stuff like that. You’re just mad because I made you look bad. And I did. Hands down. Just go away. Or keep it up. I don’t care. At this point all I’m going to do is taunt you.
@Chimeguy: You provided a weak source that doesn't prove the popularity of these terms. It only provided a handful of instances where the term was used to refer to human men. The fact that you don't want to provide BETTER sources to prove your case probably shows that you don't have any and that you don't know what you're talking about. You just think that you can tell someone that they're wrong, provide a source that weakly supports your claim, and then start being judgmental and run away when called out on your bullshit. I don't care what you do, but if your goal is to convince me that I'm wrong, either show BETTER proof as I asked, or go home. The only one "crying" is you.
No. I’m just done with you. It wasn’t weak. Also, I heard it myself when your mom was still dropping you on your head
@Chimeguy: Well, based on your responses to me, you definitely don't sound like an "alpha male."
ok. That’s nice. Now go play with your dolls.
@Chimeguy: Can I borrow yours instead? I'm sure a "beta male" like you have plenty.
I love that you’re so mad. It’s funny.
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