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What is a "strong" woman?
What is your definition of "feminism"
Explain what these terms mean to you and I can say if I'm fine with being with such a woman... or if I'd want nothing to do with her.
Being a man hater does not make a woman strong, it makes her a bigot who uses stereotypes about men as a self defense mechanism for problems that don't exist.
Fear isn't part of the equation either. Disgust is though.
Maybe they see them as a threat? Some men think they as a man should be above a woman, and look for an obedient woman and it's possible that her being independent scare them off, I guess.
If you asked a guy why men avoid purple haired and self proclaimed strong feminist women, it wouldn't be out of fear
It would be to avoid unnecessary conflict.
@TANMAN55555 When did being a feminist become a bad thing? People tend to mix feminism and misandry. Feminism is all about equality and women's right, not hating men or downplaying them.
Realistically
Who says “im a feminist!”?
Instead of just saying
“I care about people”?
Tell you what i know people who voted for womens rights and i know people that did so while calling themselves “feminists”.
The ones that call themselves feminists are often very disrespectful to those that disagree with them. As with many other political groups
Its identity politics
its impossible to be a feminist and not believe someone has been oppressing you intentionally. That suggests you're angry and hateful
And why is that you think feminism is misunderstood with misandry bc the lines have got diminished now.
You don't have to be a feminist to be an independent women that was never the criteria for being feminists
threat? tf? my small dog is a bigger threat than they are. feminist women are only threatening my brain cells.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@lrina Jesus, I meant as a threat in situations where some men can't cope with a strong and independent girlfriend because they think it ''emasculates'' them.
@whereismyjohnny same thing
Only males feminists emasculate are their sons. They are definitely not a threat to a hardworking man that doesn't give half a damn about being politically correct.
Lets be honest. Who are these people? Like really though who are these people? Only situation where i seen this is where its actually an abusive girlfriend and the guy wants to leave because of that.
A mans life is a war, we don't need more of that when we come home. Once again you confuse 'not attracted to' with 'afraid'
Here’s a thought, JUST BECAUSE MEN AVOID YOU DOESN’T MEAN THEY ARE AFRAID OF YOU! They just AREN’T INTERESTED!!!
Men aren't afraid of strong, feminist women. They're afraid of nagging, bitchy women who criticize every little thing.
Because specifically with heterosexual men, most of us are too egotistical to admit that women are often smarter, stronger, and more independent than us.
Because they challenge traditional beliefs, evolutionary perspective, and biological bullsh1t that we have been fed for years.
Only beta males are intimidated by strong, feminist women. Go find a real man
I find it incredibly laughable a feminist uses words like "beta male", but then flips around and uses "toxic masculinity" in another sentence. So do you value what an "alpha" is with strength and leadership, or do you regard assertive men as exercising quote on quote "toxic masculinity"? The reason why most men with common sense avoid feminists, is because they are disagreeable women. Men are naturally disagreeable in nature. That means there IS going to be a clash. For a man to come out on top, he will have to "bend her to his will", which is not a pleasant term you see. We are already demonized enough, so forcing a disagreeable woman to become submissive isn't a good idea, and most men with common sense would just rather avoid.
@Datboi65
there is a saying "real men wear pink". Men who are afraid of wearing pink are not real men. If wearing pink threatens your masculinity, it means you are just a boy.
Same goes for dating strong, independent women. If the presence of independent woman scares the shit outta you, then it means you're just a beta male. Alpha males are real men who do not get scared shitless over such little things.
@shaysh87 agree 100%.
Not really. Women that call themselves strong feminists are typically narcissistic assholes.
All of my friends and myself avoid women that say that phrase because they are typically not nice
Except for one
@TANMAN55555 did you meet that many?
@TANMAN55555
I'm a feminist. I'm not narcissistic or mean. You can't stereotype all feminists that way.
With all due respect ma'am, you're 31 years old and past your prime. I'm not sure if your methods have been working out for you. The "real men wear pink" bs is a lie sold to you, because nobody gave you a ring. You most likely don't even know what a real man is. A "real man" demands respect, and is not a pushover. A "real man" is assertive, stoic and does not tolerate bullshit from "strong feminist women". With your attitude, I can guarantee you that you will HATE being with a real man, because he will tame you and your narcissistic tendencies. Most of them would avoid you, because believe it or not men do not like unnecessary conflict. That doesn't mean we can't win, it just means we don't care enough. Nobody is scared of you, and you really come across as a troll. Get a grip, or buy a dog and die alone.
@Datboi65 what she means is that no real man will even be put off by something pink, just because it's pink. It's the same when you girl asks you to carry her purse. You can carry it on your hand or put it on your shoulder. Who cares right? Well the morons she is talking about leave hanging on hand just because "I could never I am a man." That is just stupid.
No real man feels less of a man because of something so trivial. That's the kind of men that women today want.
Of course women still want a confident strong man. But you are confusing being a whimp with not being a piece of shit.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Hey buddy, are you her attorney or something? I'm very certain she can explain herself and doesn't need someone else to do it on her behalf. She brought the "real men wear pink" bullshit to say that they basically are passive and don't give a damn. Let me tell you something my guy, men can only be passive for so long. Respect just like anything else is earned, and if you let a woman disrespect you, she won't look at you the same. I believe a man should always be a gentleman, unless he is given a reason not to. "Strong feminist women" is code for disrespectful females that will step on your toes, and I am NOT holding back on a disrespectful woman. If a woman is respectful, I will give her the world. If she wants to be a disrespectful broad, then the door is wide open, and I'm not about to catch a charge over no girl.
@Datboi65 not really I just like to get into debates here.
Why should they give a damn about what others think if them? Just means you are secure in yourself.
No one saying you should let anyone disrespect you. Like I said you are confusing things. See my profile picture. That is a pink shirt. Do you think my wife has ever disrespected me? Of course not. There is very big difference between being that stereotypical brute and being a sissy. Women want someone in between.
I fully agree with you that you should kick out any girl that disrespects you. On the spot!
But let's say a girl is a feminist. Has her own opinions, but is respectful when discussing them and accepts to be wrong. Has a nice career and pays for dates. That's still a strong feminist women. Nothing like the no good man hating troglodytes.
Just like you shouldn't confuse anyone that is not a cave men with a weakling. You shouldn't confuse a feminazi with a feminist.
@Datboi65
Vast majority of men who hate feminists tend to be misogynists.
[With all due respect ma'am, you're 31 years old and past your prime.]
Nice try at devaluing me as a human being because my profile says I'm 31. My age has nothing to with the topic being discussed. why do you have on older women so much? because you're a misogynist. Only misogynists hate on older women. Once a woman ages, she has no value to you. Once your 18 yr old girlfriend hits 25, you trade her for another 18 yr old.
by the way, Im not 31, I'm actually 26.
[The "real men wear pink" bs is a lie sold to you, because nobody gave you a ring. You most likely don't even know what a real man is. A "real man" demands respect, and is not a pushover. A "real man" is assertive, stoic and does not tolerate bullshit from "strong feminist women".]
This is not a real man. This guy is just an arrogant fuck boi that no woman wants to have as a husband. do you think most women would want to be around a man who constantly shoves her around, tells her what to do, screams at her whenever she asks him to do something? Women like men who respect them. Women date bad boys, but they marry good men who are husband material. She would date you but she will never marry you.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8
You dont have to take him seriously. he's just a misogynist.
@Datboi65
[ I believe a man should always be a gentleman, unless he is given a reason not to. "Strong feminist women" is code for disrespectful females that will step on your toes, and I am NOT holding back on a disrespectful woman. If a woman is respectful, I will give her the world. If she wants to be a disrespectful broad, then the door is wide open, and I'm not about to catch a charge over no girl.]
take a look at what you've said:
[With all due respect ma'am, you're 31 years old and past your prime. I'm not sure if your methods have been working out for you. The "real men wear pink" bs is a lie sold to you, because nobody gave you a ring.]
how is this respectful at all? this just make you sound like a misogynist. and I know that you ARE a misogynist. Why would you have a problem with feminist women hating on you, if you willing go around the internet devaluing and hating on older women?
Should I hate on poor men like you too?
I agree with @Datboi65, however, I think arguing about it with a feminist and a soulless man with a feminist for a wife is absolutely pointless. Just stay single, that way you won’t have to deal with feminists or any women who would agree with them for that matter. Don’t allow them to stir up your anger so that they can play the victim against you even though they were the ones that instigated to get you to the point of lashing out. Today’s women are NOT worth it at all. Let the soulless men out there like @This_is_my_opinion8 for example, to have to deal with these women. Allow them to believe they’re winning because they have a woman and we don’t when jokes on them, they’re an oblivious packmule on a shock collar like Will Smith
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Allow me to say what I've been trying to say for so long here. I'm not sure if this is an issue of miscommunication, but we are not talking about the same things. I'm telling you that SHE brought up the color PINK when it had not a goddamn thing to do with my part of the conversation. I was specifically pointing our the hypocrisy in her talking about "beta males" but also about what a "real man" when you know feminism preaches against "toxic masculinity". I also pointed out what "strong feminist women" is code for in my dictionary, as disrespectful chicks that will step on your toes. That had been my experience for the most part I'm not going to lie, but I have also seen plenty of examples elsewhere, and that is ot easy to change. Shouldn't they be the first to advocate against such behavior to help their image, instead of doubling down on the disrespect on people who voice their concern about modern feminism? To answer your question, if I meet a girl that is a feminist but is actually respectful, I'm still not going to date her because we fundamentally disagree on a lot, but at the very least I will not avoid her if she is a decent person to be around. I really don't give a damn what colors other dudes wear, but @shaysh87 brought it up when it had nothing to do with the discussion, so maybe you should lecture her about that instead about sticking to the topic.
@shaysh87 Oh I'm sorry, did I offend you? Ma'am, this is a public platform, and the way you framed your reply, you were just looking for war. How is any of what I said "misogynistic" when if you pay close attention, I was referring to "feminists" not "women". You're not the only one with an opinion sweetheart, there are other women on here who disagree with you. Are they also misogynistic?
Also, I didn't devalue you as a human, because I don't know you. You could be the greatest opera singer for all I know, but I honestly don't know or care to know. I'm attacking your ideas, and pointing out inconsistencies in your argument. One way to do that is your experience. There's a saying that if a woman hits 30, she's in the "danger zone" in terms of the dating market. Whether you agree with it or not is not important, but the saying is there. Now, you seem to have strong opinions on the matter, and I pointed out on the fact that it has not benefited you at your age. How is that "devaluing" you?
"Women date bad boys but they marry good men" hahaha I love to see it. Straight from the source. See, you just made an assumption about me that was not true. How does it make you feel? I'm actually a virgin by choice, so I don't sleep around, but rather choose to save myself for marriage. I'm currently in medical school studying to become a doctor. My social views are more traditional, doesn't make me a "bad boy" because I value strong male leadership. And no, I don't "shove women around" because my father put emphasis on being a gentleman, but he also taught me an important lesson about self-respect, so of you are not out of line, then we are good. See? It's not that hard to just ask. Maybe you should do it more often.
@shaysh87 I'm not "hating" on older women, I'm just giving you a dose of reality. Also, if you were really 26, why did you type the wrong age on purpose? It's not that hard afterall, but I digress. The truth of the matter is, the older you get, the less options you will have. Once again, exceptions don't make rules. Some women can pull it off, but most cannot. As far as my harsh style, it is because I am matching your energy, as your original comment was condescending, but you lack self-awareness to notice that. There was another comment I wrote to another user saying the same thing as you said in a less disrespectful manner, and I replied to her in a less negative tone. Wow words matter, who would've thought? Honestly I can care less if you hate me, I have plenty of people who do that for me already, and I don't pay them any mind. I also have plenty of wonderful people around, and that's what life is about, haters and admirers, no? If I'm a "misogynist" for calling out the behavior of feminists, then you are a misandrist for saying that men are "intimidated" by feminists, when all they want is peace and quiet.
@Datboi65
haha its hilarious, do you really think a 26 yr old woman is gonna go for a man who shits on a woman who is 30 years old? A man who shits on a 30 yr old woman will shit on her when she turns 30. You're just a low-quality man. A pervert. Women have no value to you other than looks. In reality, nobody wants you in real life which is why you're bitter, angry, frustrated coming online to talk shit about women.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 is a respectful guy who women actually want to date. He is respectful, has nothing against women. This is the type of guy that women can actually be happy with.
No woman would want to spend the rest of her life with a man who constantly repeats to his wife that she's not worth his attention because she doesn't look 18 anymore. who the hell looks 18 their entire life? you're just a pervert who dates 18 yr olds then dump them by the time they turn 30 for another 18 yr old. Low quality Men like you aren't worth my time.
I also believe that @This_Is_My_Opinion8 once mentioned that he was married. why do you think he's married while you're not?
@Datboi65
you complain about feminists not being respectful to you. so why are you direspectful towards women? why would i date a guy who tells me that 30 yr old women are worthless? So you're saying that in 4 years, the guy I'm dating will tell me I'm worthless? I think you're worthless. Men like you are the dregs of the dating market that no woman wants. that's why you're so angry, bitter and full of shit on here.
@shaysh87 Did I stutter? 30 is the danger zone, and I'm not the only one who thinks that way. I didn't even say it was about looks, you made it that way. An older woman that is still single usually has something wrong with her personality, because if she was a decent person, she would already be snatched up. Maybe she hasn't prioritized marriage, daed the wrong people, or is just a mean person that people don't like to be around. It's a huge red flag. Then you start comparing me to this other guy that I don't know, because he agrees with you. I'm not gonna disrespect dude, he said nothing out of tone to me, but the fact you talk about him in that manner is not because you like his mannerisms, but because he agrees with you. Funny you call me the "pervert" when I never even said I would date 18 year olds, and even if I did, why do you care? I'm 20, so it's a 2 year difference. You continue to be more and more hilarious as you go. Also, for the record I think it makes 2 of us, because I have no interest in dating you either.
@shaysh87 Ma'am, I am not "disrespectful towards women", I'm just disrespectful towards you 😂 You fail to see that clearly. Feminists are not all women. Your original comment is disrespectful, so I replied in a way that matches it. If you have even paid close attention, my first reply was not disrespectful at all, but it was just my opinion. You're referring to the second reply, when I said you were 31 and out of your prime. The reason why I said that, is because your reply was disrespectful in that you said, and I quote "if wearing pink threatens your masculinity, you are just a boy" and "if the presence if an independent woman scares the shit out of you, then you are a beta male". Once you said that, it was all-out war. I'm not sure if you have lived your life thinking you can just say stuff and people would let it slide, but I don't give you preferential treatment just because you are a woman. You watch you tone with me, or you will get more disrespect than you have ever seen in your life. Don't play with fire and not expect to get burned.
@Heartache0405 If I didn't believe in marriage and the nuclear family, women like her would drive me to be single for life. Her idea doesn't die, it multiplies. That's the problem. In 10 years, more and more modern women will be just like her if not worse. I'm younger than her, so if her generation is thinking like this, imagine what MY generation of women are like.
@Datboi65
There are a lot men out there who do date 30 yr old women. Don't assume that just because you are a pervert then it means that all men are perverts. There are high quality men out there who value a woman for more than her looks. I'm not gonna date a guy who tells me that I'm gonna be expired and useless in 4 years , by the time I hit 30. would he be saying the same shit to me for the rest of my life after 30? you're the type of guy no smart woman wants. you wouldn't make a good husband either.
And a woman doesn't need to have a husband in order to have a family of her own. There is no such thing as a woman's biological clock ticking because if a woman truly wants kids, she can have kids of her own through finding a coparent, sperm bank, hookups. But its impossible for a single man to have kids. he's gonna need to find love in order to have kids.
A man can't do everything that a woman could do. but a woman can do everything a man can do.
@Datboi65
[You're referring to the second reply, when I said you were 31 and out of your prime. The reason why I said that, is because your reply was disrespectful in that you said, and I quote "if wearing pink threatens your masculinity, you are just a boy" and "if the presence if an independent woman scares the shit out of you, then you are a beta male".]
Because this is the truth. YOU ARE A BETA MALE.
And what you've said about 30 yr old women being undesirable is UNTRUE. Women are desirable up until the age of 35. I've known tons of very attractive women in their 30s. You dont need to be in your hottest prime to get a man either.
@shaysh87 So pause. I'm now a pervert for telling you that you are not attractive? What? Isn't the definition of a pervert is a dude that lusts after women? I'm telling you I find you repulsive, and you are calling me a pervert. Make it make sense. Ma'am, you dating 14 year old boys makes you a perv, not my 20 year old self rejecting your old ass over your ignorant comments. I just told you I don't hook up or date, and I'm not looking for no 18 year olds, because they are probably more immature than you (that was a lie, nobody is more immature than you). You claim to know what my dating type is like and what age I like to date, but I haven't said anything on the matter, it makes you that much more ridiculous. Let me tell you another truth that you will not like. Dudes don't go to 30 year old women for anything serious, and the ones that do are not the majority. Wanna know why? I don't know about you ma'am, but I have studied congenital defects, and the likelihood of a child being born with Down Syndrome or Turner syndrome increases significantly as the woman hits her 30s. The mutation usually occurs I the mother's gametes, which is why men can generally have children safely for a longer time period. THAT'S why there's a biological clock. You wanna be a career woman? Please go ahead and be a career woman, but once that door is closed, it's closed for good. You have many traits that are repulsive that I don't even think you can get married if you prioritized it. Also, men can absolutely buy and fertilize a egg, so I don't know what you're talking about. If he hires a maid and a prostitute, he would be living a better life than if he was to deal with your rude ass.
@shaysh87 Ma'am, I'm not the one out here complaining about being rejected by women, YOU ARE. You say men that reject feminists are "beta males". All my family members are married, so I will definitely make a better husband than the odds if you being a semi-decent wife, given that you think marriage is a trap and women should make babies without getting married. I'm starting to realize that this image of a "strong woman" you're putting is just a front, and you're an insecure weak sissy. Hey, you can call me a beta if it makes you feel any better, but I got time ahead of me, and I'm not the one complaining about rejection.
@Datboi65 ok I understood now. Everything besides where is the hypocrisy. Yes they don't approve of toxic masculinity. The say real men don't have it. Which part of that is hypocritical?
Feminists do condemn the actions of feminazis. I never meet one that actually supported any action that involved hurting men just because they are men.
@shaysh87 yes I am married.
And yes he has very twisted views about women.
"If they are single by 30 is because there must be something wrong with them." This is not just flawed logic is also part a coping mechanism that puts the blame always on women.
@Datboi65
[Dudes don't go to 30 year old women for anything serious, and the ones that do are not the majority. Wanna know why? I don't know about you ma'am, but I have studied congenital defects, and the likelihood of a child being born with Down Syndrome or Turner syndrome increases significantly as the woman hits her 30s. The mutation usually occurs I the mother's gametes, which is why men can generally have children safely for a longer time period. THAT'S why there's a biological clock. You wanna be a career woman? Please go ahead and be a career woman, but once that door is closed, it's closed for good. You have many traits that are repulsive that I don't even think you can get married if you prioritized it. Also, men can absolutely buy and fertilize a egg, so I don't know what you're talking about. If he hires a maid and a prostitute, he would be living a better life than if he was to deal with your rude ass.]
Thirty-Something Women Are Having More Babies Than Their Twenty-Something Counterparts
slate.com/.../...than-women-in-their-twenties.html
@Datboi65
More American women are having babies in their 30s than their 20s
www.marketwatch.com/.../american-women-are-having-babies-later-and-are-still-conflicted-about-it-2017-05-19
More Women Are Having Kids in Their 30s Than Their 20s, and That's Good
This change has come largely because women are waiting longer to start families, the Associated Press reports. The most common reasons for women to postpone motherhood are the desire for financial stability and emotional preparedness, according to a 2016 Fertility Centers of Illinois survey.
Women who don't rush into parenthood may be onto something. Older moms are less likely to yell at their kids or physically punish them, according to a recent Danish study.
www.glamour.com/.../women-kids-30s-not-20s-thats-good
@Datboi65
its hella funny how you're saying nobody wants a 30 yr old woman. Most mothers are in their 30s.
There are PLENTY of women in their 30s who give birth to perfectly healthy children. My mother gave birth to me at 37 and my brother at 40. We both turned out perfectly healthy.
Older women who give birth tend to be happier as parents so they're less likely to yell / punish their kids. This is because older moms tend to be more financially stable hence they lead less stressful, happier parenting lives.
From my experience dealing with guys in real life, vast majority of men that I have come accross have no problem with women giving birth in their 30s.
Men's sperm also decreases with age. In fact there is evidence that male sperm decreases in quality after the age of 35.
IT'S not just women who have to worry about their ticking reproductive clock. Men's sperm quality seems to deteriorate after the age of 35.
www.glamour.com/.../women-kids-30s-not-20s-thats-good
Older Dads Put Moms and Children at Risk, 40 Years of Data Suggests
Men in their forties may be more financially and emotionally stable fathers, but their genetic material could cause other problems.
www.fatherly.com/.../
@This_Is_My_Opinion8
they come here intentionally to shit on women. when was the last time you heard them say anything positive about women?
@Datboi65
[Also, men can absolutely buy and fertilize a egg, so I don't know what you're talking about. If he hires a maid and a prostitute, he would be living a better life than if he was to deal with your rude ass]
surrogates can cost up to 120,000-300,000. you would have to not only pay for her egg, but pay for her to carry the child to full term, pay her hospital bills, pay for any birthing complications she may have, pay for her Cesarean surgery if needed, pay for her pain killer injections, pay for her hospital stay, pay for her food for 9 months as she carries the baby. This is in addition to the heavy lump sum that you need to pay for her all her trouble doing this work for you.
you would never be able to afford this. you would never be able to have kids as a single man. men like you die all alone. At least single women can still have kids. Single women don't need to die alone. Her corporate job is to support her kids, asshole.
@shaysh87 on this site? It's rare
If women gave us something we considered positive, I’m pretty sure majority of us would say something positive about women. @shaysh87, instead said women are looking for special treatment from us, and disrespect us men and our wants and needs and rights in favor of your own 🤷🏻♂️
@shaysh87 I can't see what he is writing but I can see his name on my notifications. He has me blocked. Is he addressing you or also me?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 The hypocrisy is that they use terms like "beta" and "alpha" that are commonly used by the very men they accuse of exercising "toxic masculinity". Does that make sense now? These are usually red pill talking points. Now I don't believe in "toxic masculinity", but feminists cannot critisize "toxic masculinity" and then engage in the same behavior. THAT is the hypocrisy I was pointing towards. I hope that makes sense now. Now we don't have to agree on things, but I have made my argument clear. I don't have "twisted views on women", I just don't bendover backwards to please "strong feminist women". The over 30 thing is true. Unmarried women over 30 are either a) not prioritizing marriage, b) choosing the wrong guys or c) are unpleasant people to be around. If you can debunk what I said, then you should call it "flawed logic".
@shaysh87 Ma'am, you haven't debunked anything. You are talking about BABIES, I am talking about MARRIAGES. Of course women in their 30s will have kids, they are already married. In most US states, women get married in their mid to late 20s. If we say people date on average for 2 years before they get engaged, another 1 year before the wedding, then you just we from 30 to 33. Let's say you wanted to wait another year to save up before having a baby, that's 34. You will have your FIRST baby at 34. What are the odds the 2nd, 3rd and maybe 4th will have a congenital birth defect as you age? I'm gonna leave that one for you to answer.
@shaysh87 "Her corporate job is to support her kids asshole". It's more single mothers out there that are on welfare and are below the poverty line than men. You're not gonna fool me by saying you're somehow making it rain and supporting the kids on your own. They either take child support or welfare, but then wanna call themselves "strong women" lmfao.
@shaysh87 Also, you just made another assumption about me. Most men who avoid crazy women don't really care about kids in general, but if they do decide to go for it, it will be through a surrogate. Now, I never said I was gonna go for a surrogate as I plan to get married, but it can never be to someone that thinks like you. I never said sperm quality doesn't decrease, but it is more manageable than a 40 year old woman's eggs. Mutations are more commonly observed in the mother's gametes. Maybe you need to study genetics. You learn something new everyday, right? Finally, it ain't me you gotta worry about sweetheart, I got plenty of time ahead, but your clock is ticking. Tick tock tick tock. Listen, you don't speak for "women" when I'm grilling you, OK? Just take the roasting like a "strong feminist" and stop playing victim. I would marry a traditional woman that doesn't think like you of course, so I can care less what type of women you think wouldn't go for me. I however, unlike yourself don't call women "intimidated" if they decide not to date me, I just keep it pushing. See how this works? Maybe you should try it sometime.
@Heartache0405 I don't even have beef with women at all my guy, I just don't like feminists like her. I wasn't gonna comment on this at all, because I believe people have freedom to their opinion, but it was the way she said it more than anything. She likes to be a misandrist, but want to call me a "misogynist" for matching her energy. Make it make sense!
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Don't ie on my name dawg. I don't block people over here.
@Datboi65 not talking about you. The other guy here that has me blocked.
@Datboi65 I agree with you that those nonsensical terms shouldn't be used. My guess is that it was her way to trigger some people here. Exactly because so many on this site care about them.
I will never tell you or anyone to bend to anyone. I know the sentiment, I also refuse to buy into the red pill mentality.
What is wrong with option a)?
About option b ) is she chosing the wrong ones or the guys that come to her are all not interested in really getting to know her? Your premise puts the blame on her when she can truly want a great guy and genuinely not find him.
Option d) she doesn't found anyone she likes. For marriage you don't find someone at the corner.
Option e) she is not conventionally attractive and so gets no chance. This happens more than you think and I have people on my circle of friends that prove it.
@Heartache0405
I think you’re just projecting your own inability to successfully get a woman in real life by disrespecting women online. Women aren’t attracted to men who bitch , complain and curse about every little thing in life. Women don’t like you? Maybe the problem is you , not them
@Datboi65
In 2021, the average age of marriage for female participants was 33, while male respondents married at age 35.
www.theknot.com/content/average-age-of-marriage
@Datboi65
Women are having kids later in life in 2020 compared to women in 1980 or 1990. Because women are delaying marriage to pursue careers and financial stability.
[Her corporate job is to support her kids asshole". It's more single mothers out there that are on welfare and are below the poverty line than men. You're not gonna fool me by saying you're somehow making it rain and supporting the kids on your own. They either take child support or welfare, but then wanna call themselves "strong women" lmfao.]
Haha do you really think a educated strong feminist woman would be working at McDonald’s? Strong independent woman don’t need a man to help them support their kid. These women are college educated and hold good paying jobs. They don’t need child support or welfare. Studies have shown kids born to educated single moms to do just as well as kids born to heterosexual couples
Did I ever say I wanted a woman to be attracted to me, @shaysh87? Pretty sure I didn’t... you’re just assuming based on the fact that I’m a man. So you’re generalizing. I prefer to be single as opposed to with someone who’s just gonna make me miserable. I find it hilarious how women on here think saying that I’ll die alone because of my views on today’s women would be something I’d lash out at so that they can gain control of the conversation but it’s the complete opposite. 😂
@Datboi65
You can’t ever have kids as a single man, ok? You can’t afford a surrogate. You can’t afford to buy an egg. You can’t even get a woman’s attention in real life. You’re just gonna die a lonely old man with no family. Single Women can have kids and support her own kids by herself.
And guess what? Your biological clock is ticking too. Wait till you’re 45 to have kids and your kid will be born retarded. I’m 26, I’m not gonna go for a 40 yr old to have my child. I’m gonna go for a 30 yr old.
@Datboi65
[ I don't even have beef with women at all my guy, I just don't like feminists like her. I wasn't gonna comment on this at all, because I believe people have freedom to their opinion, but it was the way she said it more than anything. She likes to be a misandrist, but want to call me a "misogynist" for matching her energy. Make it make sense!]
Why are you crying that I’m a misandrist, if you’re a misogynist? I’m not a misandrist , but your sick Terrible attitude towards women just brings the worst out of good people.
Women can do everything a man can do, but men can’t do everything women can do
@Heartache0405
Even your profile name says heartache. You’re rooting for a famous misogynist on here. Youve also said there’s nothing good about women. Of course you can’t get a date. A man with a successful dating life won’t be as bitter and sad as you
Heartache is something I’ve come to accept. That is why it’s my username. And they’re only considered a misogynist to you because you don’t agree with the things they say. Doesn’t make them a misogynist just because you disagree. It simply means you disagree. You can throw around the word all you want but only those who also throw the word around will agree with you that they’re one. And yes, I can’t get a date because I’m not actively searching for one 😂 I don’t want a successful dating life. Why would I? I’m not bitter, I’m being real. And why do you assume I’m sad? Because my username is heartache and that is immediately considered something sad? 😂 well I’m sorry to have confused you with my username. Maybe you shouldn’t take things so seriously and run with it
@Heartache0405
It’s not that I disagree. The world disagrees with you. @This_Is_My_Opinion8. Doesn’t agree with you.
Do I care? @shaysh87
@Heartache0405
The fact that the world doesn’t agree with you , how unpopular your mindset is, shows you’re wrong. Nobody agrees with you. Only misogynists will agree with you
Ok... so? @shaysh87
@Heartache0405
So it means you’re just a woman hater that nobody agrees with.
Doesn’t bother me none, @shaysh87 🤷🏻♂️
Is this conversation meant to be going somewhere? @shaysh87
@shaysh87 Right, now you have taken an interest in my dating life? Lmfao. I am only 20, so I don't plan on getting married yet, until I graduate from residency training. Dating isn't on my mind at this point, and I don't do hook ups. I'm not gonna lie ma'am, your behavior is starting to turn weird and stalkerish.
Also, here is an article about every US state and average age of marriage for both men and women, updated as of 2022:
www.regain.us/.../
@Datboi65
🤣 based on your article , only men in their late 20s are getting married. It’s only 6 more years before you hit the wall.
@shaysh87 "These are strong feminist women that don't work in McDonald's". Oh yeah? Well, allow me to burst your bubble. 90% of welfare receivers are single mothers. Since you say women can do everything a man can do, they for sure seem to complain a lot about a non-existant "gender pay-gap" don't they? I mean shit, you're so strong, but you just wanna be handed shit, right? Men continue to make more money because they pick better degrees over all.
Also, I never said I would go for a surrogate, I said it's an option for men who don't wanna deal with women. I want to get married to a non-feminist, traditional woman. If I was to get a surrogate, I'm sure it wouldn't be exceptionally difficult on a doctor's salary.
Go ahead and quote the study of kids doing well under single mothers. Go read this one, starting from the line "state-by-state analysis" and find out for yourself.
www.heritage.org/.../the-real-root-causes-violent-crime-the-breakdown-marriage-family-and
You called me a misogynist, after I replied to your behavior. You were being a misandrist, so I'm not allowed to be disrespectful back to you? Really? You're just a bitter chick. I got more time than you, which is what pisses you off. I never said I would get married at 45, but they way you are acting ma'am, you would be lucky if a guy even looks at your direction at your current age.
@shaysh87 Ayo, last time I checked the world doesn't agree with YOU. Feminism only common in the West. Rest of the world is mostly traditional.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 About a) I didn't say anything wrong with a woman that doesn't want to get married, but she will not be in my radar. b) why are they not interested in pursuing a relationship with her? Most guys would know straight out of the gate if a girl is relationship material or not based on her mannerisms and how she dresses. Also, feminism preaches to women "having fun" in their 20s, so they sleep with all the dudes that don't want them, and then get turned down by the guys who found their purpose in life. Your d) is because most women have unrealistic expectations, let's be honest and e) is simply not true. Any woman, attractive or unattractive has someone in there somewhere wanting to give her a chance. If she thinks that her options are "beneath her", then she will just end up single.
@Heartache0405
why should i listen to anything you say of the vast majority of the world disagrees with you? Most guys out there aren't anti women. Just letting ya know.
@Datboi65
[@shaysh87 Ayo, last time I checked the world doesn't agree with YOU. Feminism only common in the West. Rest of the world is mostly traditional.]
Actually vast majority of the world doesn't agree that women over 30 are worthless. Because according to pew research, for the vast majority of the world, the average age difference between a married couple is less than 9 years apart. This means vast majority of men are not marrying women who are significantly younger than them. Men end up getting hitched with women somewhere around their age.
www.pewresearch.org/.../
@Datboi65
["These are strong feminist women that don't work in McDonald's". Oh yeah? Well, allow me to burst your bubble. 90% of welfare receivers are single mothers. Since you say women can do everything a man can do, they for sure seem to complain a lot about a non-existant "gender pay-gap" don't they? I mean shit, you're so strong, but you just wanna be handed shit, right? Men continue to make more money because they pick better degrees over all.]
Feminist women can birth their own children and raise their own kids without the help of men. Women don't need men to live a happy life. Women can do everything a man can do. But a man can't do everything a woman can do. how about that?
[Also, I never said I would go for a surrogate, I said it's an option for men who don't wanna deal with women. I want to get married to a non-feminist, traditional woman. If I was to get a surrogate, I'm sure it wouldn't be exceptionally difficult on a doctor's salary.]
From the sound of your bitter , sad, angry, frustrated voice, I know you must've lived a long life of pain. I know you're a broke, poor loser , with nothing good going on in his life , angry because no woman has ever turned her head at your direction. you will never be able to pay for a surrogate because you're broke af. You can't ever have a child on your own because you can't ever get a woman's attention. Men with good things going on in their lives dont need to come online on a daily basis to talk shit about women. A loser like you would be happy if he can get a 55 yr old woman's attention.
@Datboi65
[Go ahead and quote the study of kids doing well under single mothers. Go read this one, starting from the line "state-by-state analysis" and find out for yourself.]
Not all single mothers are broke. I'm planning on becoming a single mom. I'm not broke. In fact there is research that proves kids born to rich single moms tend to do equally as well in life as kids from married parents.
"Those who grow up with single mothers with adequate socioeconomic resources tend to do well. The children of poor single mothers are more at risk," Biblarz says. "Many of the results that say that kids are at increased risk for negative outcomes have to do with economics."
abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=5687285
@Datboi65
[You called me a misogynist, after I replied to your behavior. You were being a misandrist, so I'm not allowed to be disrespectful back to you? Really? You're just a bitter chick. I got more time than you, which is what pisses you off. I never said I would get married at 45, but they way you are acting ma'am, you would be lucky if a guy even looks at your direction at your current age.]
You're only 6 more years before you hit the wall. As the link mentioned, vast majority of men in the US get married in their late 20s.
And as of right now, I know you're an ugly dude who can't get a woman's attention anywhere.
haha. you were disrespectful to me. Why can't I be disrespectful to you? This is not my first time seeing you talk shit about women in their 30s. You've done so in the past too.
@Datboi65 At b) the situation I put was she is interested in knowing someone, she has people interested in her, but two things can happen. Either there is no spark, somethings work very well on paper and not in practice, there has to be chemistry. Or the ones that she meets are not interested in a relationship. Just looking for sex. Ask any attractive girl, they will tell you this is a problem.
Of course there is also the case that she can be insufferable. Sure. If that constitutes all or even most cases? No.
Everyone should have fun in their 20's. Everyone. Is just sex. Not a crime and not a big deal.
On d) you can't seriously think that finding love is easy and all it takes is to lower the bar. Is not about what you have or what you look, is also about who you are. Matching personalities to the point we are talking about love are not easy to come by.
The e) tags along with the last one. Just because she is ugly she should just go for anyone? Even if they are scum of this earth? We are talking about marriage. Regardless if you a man or a woman, you have to love the person you marry. And statistically speaking women marry out of love more than men.
No really there are studies on this. Women's rating of men drastically changes, for better or worse, after the know them. Men's ratings don't change much.
So regardless of her looks she still wants to love the person she is with. You say there must be a guy waiting for a chance. Sure, but that one guy might not match with who she is at all. Is not that she wants a Brad Pitt, is so that she wants someone that she truly likes.
Like I told you I had friends on this situation and the last one that got out of it, got a fairly ugly guy. But I already meet him and he is great.
@shaysh87 I'm not sure if you are slow, but I never said shit about "age gap dating". I just said women don't start going on first dates at 30+ and expect great results, and you wrote a bunch of bs that's unrelated. 9 years could mean a 30 year old with a 21 year old, you realize that right? Also, I never said I wanted to wait forever to get married. I'm 20, you're "26" even though I know you're 31. As far as I'm concerned, I can get engaged in residency and get married when I graduate, so I have a longer window. You on the other hand are out here saying that men whonare avoiding women like yourself are "beta males". Ok lol, if that makes you feel any better. You don't even know how I look, you don't know any personal details, and when you cannot attack the argument, you get defensive and start throwing names 😂 Don't worry sweetheart, I am getting married and you are not.
@shaysh87 Aha, so I must've struck a nerve then, because you wanna ne someone's baby momma. Got it. I feel bad for the poor dude that you will take child support from, what a terrible fate. You say I'm broke, but I probably grew up more well-off than you, but it's not something I care to brag about. Far as I'm concerned, if I was a loser, why are you replying to me in such an angry tone? You don't care about losers, right? But you do. I replied to your comment because it was dumb, but now I find out that you have mental issues, and you might wanna get that checked. Anyway, this will be the grand finale, because I don't care to argue with a Karen that has nothing better to do online because I have a lecture in an hour. Have a nice life 👋🏿
@Datboi65
[I'm not sure if you are slow, but I never said shit about "age gap dating". I just said women don't start going on first dates at 30+ and expect great results, and you wrote a bunch of bs that's unrelated. ]
why are you so obsessed over older women's dating? what does older women's dating have anything to do with you. it seems like nothing goes through your mind other than thinking about this all day. does this make you feel better about the fact that your dating life is non existent? Statistics and data have shown that women in their 30s are birthing children more than women in their 20s, this means vast majority of women are delaying marriage until their late 20s or 30s before having children.
Dating for men gets worse as they age into their 40s too. Hair loss, balding, saggy, wrinkles, weight gain is never attractive to women. By the time you hit your late 30s-40s, you can't get the same hot 25 yr old women that you obsess over day in and day out
@Datboi65
[9 years could mean a 30 year old with a 21 year old, you realize that right? Also, I never said I wanted to wait forever to get married. I'm 20, you're "26" even though I know you're 31. ]
According to the link that you just presented, the article says that the average age gap between a man and a woman married couple is just 2-3 years. Since when is the average married couple 9 years apart? Quit dreaming. Women marry men on average only 3.5 years older.
Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:
Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.
www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage
In 2017, 93% of all marriages are have less than 10 yr age gap.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships
@Datboi65
Your link shows that 29 yr old men are marrying 27 yr old women. It never said 30 yr old men are marrying 21 yr old women. This comes to prove that vast majority of women only marry men 2-3 years older than them.
@Datboi65
[Aha, so I must've struck a nerve then, because you wanna ne someone's baby momma. Got it. I feel bad for the poor dude that you will take child support from, what a terrible fate. ]
Rich, educated, well off women do not need child support. At least I can have kids, you can barely get attention from any women at all. why would any woman want to have kids with a woman hater? If you don't believe me, then try it. I will guarantee that you will still be single within the next 10 years. I GUARANTEE IT.
I chose
[You say I'm broke, but I probably grew up more well-off than you, but it's not something I care to brag about. Far as I'm concerned, if I was a loser, why are you replying to me in such an angry tone? You don't care about losers, right? But you do. I replied to your comment because it was dumb, but now I find out that you have mental issues, and you might wanna get that checked. Anyway, this will be the grand finale, because I don't care to argue with a Karen that has nothing better to do online because I have a lecture in an hour. Have a nice life ]
You never worked a single job in your life. You talk like a spoiled brat who still gets spoon-fed by your parents. You have way too much free time on your hands. You're not a man, you're just a woman hating BETA boy. I'm not mad at all. In fact, I don't even take you seriously. Nobody believes in your shit that 30 yr old women are unattractive. I know plenty of women in their 30s who are attractive. I know plenty of women who got married and had kids in their 30s. In fact, MOST WOMEN THAT I'VE KNOWN GOT MARRIED AND HAD KIDS IN THEIR 30S.
You're the one who is miserable, not me. If you feel the need talk shit about other people, in order to feel better about your own life, then there is clearly something wrong with your own life.
@Datboi65
good luck finding a wife when you're secretly saying that women in their 30s are undesirable, worthless, unattractive. she will find out sooner or later that you're a misogynist. No smart decent lady will respect a man like that. She will leave you before the date is over. You're the type of guy that women say they're going to the bathroom in a middle of a dinner date then never come back.
Why are women "afraid" of fat, jobless, short dudes?
Men aren't afraid of you, they just don't like you. I'm sure they'd beat you to a pulp if you started throwing punches.
Not being attracted to or interested in does not equal afraid.
A Strong woman stands up for what is right and if in a relationship/marriage is honest, loyal, and faithful. A Feminist is likely to spew hatred of men and may support the likes of Amber Heard, Jada Pinkett Smith, and "Lia Thomas".
A strong woman is usually not a feminist. As you also don't need to be a feminist to be strong.
You don't want to believe all the stereotypes you've heard. I'm a man and I'm not intimidated by feminists.
I don’t believe they are. Trying to distance yourself from another could be mistaken for fear despite it being just aversion. I know that arrogance and self righteousness can be a strong reason for aversion.
"Strong" and "feminist" mix like oil and water.
There is nothing empowering about believing that you are a part of some sort of universal victim class and therefore don't believe in your own sense of agency.
Did I say you had to listen to anything I said?
And do I care about what other guys are/aren't? 🙄 @shaysh87
Not afraid.. Just annoyed some of the feminist faith don’t truly want equality. They want total destruction and annihilation of males altogether. This is the problem. Strong women aren’t the problem.
First, I'd like to get what you mean by "a strong woman" and "a feminist woman."
"Be so strong, that you never have to show your true strength."
They aren’t afraid of strong women … they simply are not interested in feminist. It is fair to say that feminist are not interested in the same men who are not interested in them. Which is fine.
Same reason why women don't like strong, egotistical men.
Not all men
The beta men yeah
They feel triggered by it
I have yet to find a female that says “im a strong feminist woman” that also isn't very disrespectful. Guys avoid people that say that because they typically aren't very nice to us.
Lol and the Alpha men do give a fuck about feminists.
Its bc of those beta men feminists have achieved whatever they say they have achieved
@Aakash_Hangargi feminist for me is a concept not like others. My concept of feminism is that females be treated equally to men. Men and women complete each other. I grew up in a patriarchal country and society and for me it is very important that females should have education and opportunity to work equally to men.
I feel sad because feminism these days is turning into a concept that females should lead and men should shut up. That is not ok for me. I love men, I can't imagine my life without my brothers, or a husband but I don't see a man as a necessity to live.
Men that are afraid of that are walking red flags🚩🚩🚩
Ahh. Karens. There is nothing to fear about them. But many of them are misandrist and there no reason to force ourselves be around them.
No. We’re just turned off by a lot of rude and unpleasant women which typically coincides with “strong and feminist”.
Because I don't want to be sent to an extermination camp as the feminists are behind the kill all men movement
Because men like feminine women.
Affraid of feminist? 🤣
Are you out of you're mind, i'm their worst nightmare 🙂
No, we ignore them become they are loud, obnoxious, and shallow
Well... your profile picture isn't helping anything
Mena aren't afraid of them, they just don't want to have anything to do with them, because those women hate men.
Because they confuse feminism with misandry.
Midern feminism IS misandry.
No, no it isn't. Feminism is about equality, not sexism. So if anyone claims to be feminist and espouses any sexist views, you can take heart in knowing they're a piece of shit sexist
Its not about being afraid we prefer feminine women that is our biology that what we desire yes women has rights but men and women can never be the same we different.
Because strong and feminist is usually code for controlling and sexist.
I'm not sure why some men do. I could only speculate.
We're afraid of gross women who may or may not have a penls.
Men are not afraid of feminists, they just dislike them.
“Feminist”
Nearly all men in the western world support womens right but modern feminism is different
People that call themselves feminists are typically not very nice to those that have a different opinion
Very toxic
@TANMAN55555 Exactly
I'm afraid only of "mountain of muscles" strong women. But of "strong" as in "brave" (just like Melissa Benoist) - I'm definitely not!
Probably because more than half are transgender boys. There isn't yet a 'I am binary gender and single female' (let alone a virgin)
Those descriptors are radically different, why have you put them together?
I’m all for strong and independent women.
Being feminist isn’t the same thing.
"Afraid" isn't the right word. "Repelled" is more accurate.
That's such a trope. Weird rationalisation. Like why would you even think that hahaha
No one is afraid of "strong" "feminist" women, lol.
I am not afraid of them. I just want some peace of mind when i get back home from work. So i guess that's why some men don't prefer them.
The two are contradictory. A strong woman doesn't need some bullshit to hide behind.
Because of their propensity for making false accusations.
We're not afraid of them, we just know better than to date them
@eznamirimezdibirim Some men are afraid of strong & feminist women because some feminist women have unpleasant demeanor.
No guy is afraid. Here we go, more "Strong women" post lol
Women that describe themselves as strong tend to be bitches that take themselves too seriously
Hardly any are afraid. We just know not to waste our time with such.
Wow that a lot of big question, but yeah they afraid of them cause they nag and talk a lot
Same reason why feminists are basically just afraid of men
Because nowadays if she is strong she probably has a dick 😂
I dont think we are afraid of them. Just dont understand them!
Probably because “feminist” has a bad connotation when it should be a good one in theory.
were not we love them most men love TOUGH women. who taught you this?
Cause we can only handle so much crazy regardless of what you wanna call it.