Do you boys just enjoy your meat too much to let it go?
Why aren't more guys vegetarian compared to women?
Do you boys just enjoy your meat too much to let it go?
I personally do not like cooked vegetables and some vegetables I won’t eat even raw. Hell if broccoli or cauliflower (which I love raw) are being cooked and I can smell it I can’t eat it. What I don’t get is what does eating vegetables or meat have to do with being masculine or feminine. I mean I don’t think being a vegetarian is going to turn a straight man gay or eating meat is going to turn a gay man straight. Really I doubt any men are sitting at a restaurant judging anybodies sexual preferences by what they’re eating. I eat the vegetables I like to eat the way I like to eat them and I eat the meats that I like and the way I like them. Answer this what is your true reason for your food choices and I mean your TRUE meaning not what you’re supposed to say or someone else’s opinion or reason what’s your reason? Trust me I’m not looking to attack your reasoning? Now to answer your question I think men are less likely to get caught up in stuff and I’m not saying this is or isn’t important as far as health or caring for other living creatures. To be honest I’ve never given this any thought and I really don’t focus or pay much attention to things that I don’t care about or have interest in and no I don’t focus on my diet much because I’m strong and if it wasn’t for covid kicking my ass and still kicking my ass (had it 3 times) I’d be in better health and stronger but considering I basically curled an 05’ Nissan Altima 2.5L engine just the other day I’m still doing alright. Not a full curl just had to lift it another 2 inches because the jack didn’t go any higher. Maybe that’s why we eat meat
well for starters it’s very hard to get the caloric intake we need to maintain our body weight on plant based diets. I've seen vegan body builders and they are never as strong or big as normal omnivore guys. Most vegetarians/vegans i’ve ever met are rail skinny and even malnourished looking sometimes. They have this honeymoon period of switching their diet to more healthy foods and it’s like ya ur gunna feel better eating salads but long term what are you really missing? i’ve done tons of research and there’s fat soluble vitamins like k2 and minerals you just can’t get from a plant based diet that are very time consuming and expensive to actually supplement correctly. I don’t recommend being fully vegan, if u wanna be a vegetarian and eat eggs for ur animal protein though that’s not a bad way to go. I eat very clean for the most parts lots of veggies and brown rice. The meat i tend to eat is usually game meat or lean bison or chicken. cheap beef and pork ud get at walmart is just cancer.
I don't want to sound off... But these dietary changes are personal a personal choice.
In my personal experience, having a healthy and balanced diet suits most people's genetic make up.
Men burn and require more calories...
Not all but a lot of men that start cutting things out their diets without an allergy or intolerance or life threatening condition tend to find they require taking medication... supplements.
There are many man that prefer to just eat the meat then do all that alternative business.
I'm sure there will be a person to fight against what I'm saying.
Sit somewhere and watch people order food.
It might be tied to genetics, maybe its a dominance thing, maybe it's a chest beating action...
But a lot of men seem to get more excited and satisfied when they see a wholesome plate of balance than a plate of veg!
I don't know but I will tell you a story. I worked at a call centre. There were two IT guys. One was a typical North American manly (I think he was closeted) camping type and the other was an Israeli immigrant from IDF guy because they all have to serve for a minimum of four years.
Anyhoo, the Jewish guy likes falafel and salad and so on and the Canadian guy would question his manliness as a result. This didn't bother the guy but I think maybe men in North america dontwant to be viewed as feminine..🤷♀️
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That's a good question! I would say the reason for being vegetarian would play a big role in why there is such a difference. If you really think about it most people who are vegetarian either turned due to caring for the animal or health reasons. Due to our differences, I would say more women are typically the ones that are more sympathetic compared to men so they tend to care about the animals more. Also when it comes to health/diet (not counting medical reasons) but more women tend to focus on losing weight compared to men who typically try to gain weight (for muscle mass) and when they do they focus more on losing fat but still keeping muscle so they do other kinds of diets.
That's my wild guess
I think it's less about men or women enjoying meat as women actually need more iron as you excrete it, but men do not. There's also a greater need for nutrients with little things like pregnancy, periods, and a greater need to store fat and nutrients to get prepared for pregnancy.
Women tend to diet and be more concerned with looks, and getting into trends. I've dated a lot of vegetarians, but never felt any urge to stop eating meat or hunting because THEY feel really strongly about it. They also tend to be pretty cookie cutter, what with being convinced about their individuality, believing in far left ideologies, having a start up art company that sells absolutely nothing.
I knew a few who got older, got more conservative and found they couldn't eat meat anymore as their bodies had stopped producing the enzymes to break it down. You are in the older range though, compared to the women I date/dated who are/were vegetarians. What compels you to stick with it?
I am 200 pounds of actively into sports and athletic flesh and bones... so I sure need a balanced diet that includes all of the nutrients available... no limitations but no excess either
If I eat in excess, I will not feel good and not like myself...
if I limit my diet to just certain kind of foods, I will not feel good and won't feel like myself either...
so I do have a balanced and healthy diet.. because it is good for me and makes me feel better, and yes I know there are many other people who are vegan and feel great, including professional athletes, but I am not them, I do not have their bodies nor their metabolism, surely not their genes...
so I look after myself, my well being and health... animal protein has never been a detriment for me
1. We are less emotional so we dont cry over an animal getting killed. In fact we like to hunt many of us or at least the idea of it.
2. We dont feel healthy doing this. Some dudes will say they do but in general it makes a lot of us feel weak. We go to the gym and lift more and more and if we tried vegetarian now all of a sudden we are lifting less and less.
3. Can effect sex drive poorly. Animal fats are used for testosterone production.
So yeah we dont care enough to try it and if we did try it we might have noticed negative side effects.
The defensive masculinity is strong with this one ☝️ lol
@Apple1996 its mainly women, scrawny unmasculine men, and men who only recently tried it not long term, saying this and its not most mens experience so i mean im not going to accept that. Just like i mentioned on i think another post with you. Its a lot of people giving opinions on things they have no experience or belief in and ignoring those opinions is often the best course of action one can take.
I have plenty of experience with this. I'm vegan and so is my husband. He went back and forth for years between eating meat and being vegan. Everytime he went back to eating meat he wasn't interested in having sex. Recently it hasn't been a problem since he's completely switched over vegan. (And no he's not scrawny in anyway. He's very fit and in the military, always working out.)
This isn't something I discuss often cause I don't like fighting about veganism cause most people aren't willing to open there ears and hear the truth about it.
@Apple1996 well thats great it works for him. Never met one man who said it worked for him. I've tried it in the short term and had no changes except seemed weaker in the gym so stopped pretty quick. Tbh it just seems odd that having a burger would mess up his sex drive... i mean the average man can eat literally junk food mcdonalds 5x a week and starve themselves 2x a week and still want to have sex so I don't know if there's something more there. I mean i eat only unprocessed foods and i think thats the most important thing meat or no meat. I just find it unlikely that if it was an ideal diet for men, why do only women seem to stick with it while men who try it revert back more often than not? Id imagine due to similar reasons i did. I dont personally care much about the food. Id eat sand if that was optimal (thankfully its not). Lmao.
There's lots of vegan body builders out there. I'm assuming you were feeling weak cause you were not eating the right types of vegan food.
And I don't know any dude that eats McDonald's like that is gonne die early anyways, prob be over weight so they'll be missing out on a healthy sex life.
Lol to the sand. That'd be super crunchy
@bamesjond0069 we had this convo like 2 days ago, it works for me remember?
@Apple1996 never met a vegan bodybuilder. Also most of them haven't been vegan for a decade. They ate typically and got big then for the past year they maintain vegan. Which i get why because the diet isn't as popular that all these people grow up on it... but it is a lack of data. And yeah @Shamalien but I don't know you i mean legit i want to see a guy in the gym squatting 450 lbs and he tells me he's been vegan for 7 years. Now im paying attention. Or someone who switched to vegan and their results are so good they won't eat a steak ever again. Just never met anyone in person i can verify the story. Plus as i said i tried it and didn't see results. So its not like i didn't. I posted elsewhere but id do a juice of tons of greens kale spinach. Id eat orange apple banana just snacking all day then like salad and a smoothie with stuff like avacado. Then for dinner is where i eat grains and meat. This is my normal diet but when i was vegetarian id just not eat the meat and just eat more fruits and veggies. I never eat dairy or sugar basically at all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian
Vegan for over a decade, is he too weak for you 🤣
@bamesjobd0069 Real men does whatever he wants and doesn’t give a damn what others think. May that be vegan or wearing a pink dress.
Honestly your answer is the weakest response and the definition of stereotyping masculinity. Do better.
@snowboarder720 Real man relies upon facts not his feelz.
@bamesjond0069 look at my last comment
@Shamalien a single person online is not sufficient to convince me of anything in regards to anything. Like i said i know people who are vegan. Most are not very masculine in appearance or they only did it short term. If its so amazing then why do so many men who try it stop it? Just doesn't seem like it is beneficial or no more than slightly beneficial. If it made every dude have a viagra boner and top sports performance... you know how many men would be doing it? Most. The fact is most humans for most time ate animals. To try something weird or odd id have to see evidence for why its worth doing. From what I've seen most vegans have some other reason why they like vegan that has nothing to do with whether its better or not. Usually animal cruelty or global warming or just zen nonsense. Vegans should like everything else put forth a fact based reason. Lets see studies lets see the amazing results such that all bodybuilders and athletes chuck their steaks out the window... im looking for that. Not just a woman claiming meat gives her husband ED. Tbh that sounds ridiculous to me. Ofc if he sees results he should do it but i need a science based or personal based evidence. But for some reason vegans hate this stuff because? I think its primarily based on feelings. Its a feel good diet.
@Shamalien a vegan in real life. Online people keep up a persona and i would never trust anyone online. For example i could take a photo of myself and say i did it on a starvation diet of lemon water for the past 5 years. Are you going to do my diet now? I never said id do it if one person online said they did it, i said that i know. I've known people i lift with have tried it and none stuck with it. I trust that more than some guy online i can't verify shit about. I hate how every issue is like a science lesson about statistics and proof smh. Just an honest question, do you feel proof of something is not very important? As i said before veganism seems mostly about feelings and not much about facts.
Well im about to start working out, what would I need to be able to do to prove a vegan can be strong? I was doing 25 chinups with leg ceiling touches easily as a vegetarian, haven’t been exercising enough throughout this pandemic bs and got reduced to 10 but I’m certain I could do it without the eggs
@Shamalien uhh nothing because i dont know you in real life. How would you even prove your workout and your diet? Thus why im not interested in anything but people i personally know and an abundance of scientific studies.
@bamesjond0069 if ur interested in studies showing veganism can make one very strong, you’ll find lots. The science tying veganism to cardiovascular health is crystal clear
@Apple1996 Vegan bodybuilders are no where to be compared to bodybuilders eating meat. Funny how you mentioned your husband having a higher sexdrive when not eating meat. I eat a lot of meat, fuck my girlfriend like everyday
@TruthBringer depends on the body builder. I've sold milk to lots of them and seems like they all have different beliefs on what is best to eat. Some specifically have bought from me cause my milk is vegan.
And sex only once a day is not enough for some women lol
@Apple1996 I'm speaking from a general perspective. In general, a vegan diet is not the best for bodybuilding. Otherwise you would have seen an influx of bodybuilders doing it. Also, breastmilk is not to be compared to an actual meal with MEAT. 1 cup of milk is like what? 1 or 2 grams of protein? Not a lot. It sure brings other nutricions, but pinning hope on breastmilk as a musclebuidling source is futile.
@TruthBringer I'm not sure why they want the breastmilk, they have their reasons tho. Not that I care I just wanna make money lol
@TruthBringer and bodybuilders aren't exactly the definition of health either. Like best to aim for a healthy normal body by eating right. I just brought it up cause he said he felt weak from working out
@Apple1996 Being a bodybuilder doesn't mean you pump your body full of weird things. Being a bodybuilder is generally being healthy and building a healthy physique. Don't think these overly muscular men are representing the majority of normal bodybuilders out there. I'm a bodybuilder and I'm in tip-top shape while having a high protein diet existing primarily from meat. If I wasn't healthy then the Air Force wouldn't allow me to fly their planes.
From what I read is that your husband's sex drive went down when he at emeat. But now you say it is because he was working out? Which one is it? Of course you feel tired after working out. The body is in full recovery mode.
@TruthBringer nah I meant @bamesjond0069 said he felt weak from working out. My husband hasn't noticed a difference in his workouts
@Apple1996 Eating vegetarian has never increased my sex drive. But incorporating more spinach, tomatoes, ginger root, and citrus into my regular diet definitely has. Also cutting out a lot of soft drinks, take out, and not overeating helps sex drive too.
@ManOnFire yeah this i agree with
@ManOnFire Nailed it.
@ManOnFire all depends what u eat…if u ate salads all week ofc you’ll be tired, and everything you listed was non animal based…and yeah that stuff is healthy. Dairy and meat are not good for your cardiovascular health, nobody disagrees on this fact anymore, people just don’t wanna give up these addictive things
@Shamalien All things in moderation. If you're eating meat 3 times daily your heart will no doubt tick out over time. And HOW you cook it matters too. I don't eat fried foods as often as I use to, that's the biggest killer when eaten too often.
@ManOnFire it’s true that fried foods are unhealthy…and the ideal diet wouldn’t include them at all, and I think the same of meat. Once in a while won’t kill you, like eating meat twice a week is probably fine, but I’d argue it’s unnecessary. The main reason I don’t eat it is because it is immoral
@Shamalien "The main reason I don’t eat it is because it is immoral" i had a feeling this was the case, as i said above vegans primarily are motivated by reasons that are supported by feelings not pure scientific data about health for example. So while you accept it seems healthy and some data supports it, that never was the thing that influenced you. Whereas i find it almost immoral to not hunt or eat meat i will ofc need much more data since i have no motivations otherwise. It purely rests on extensive data showing that it will benefit me, which I've yet to see.
Oh I’m not talking about feelings, I’m talking about facts. Fact, slaughtering innocent sentient, key word SENTIENT beings needlessly is morally wrong, end of story. The cardiovascular health stuff is also undeniable though if you wish to approach it from that angle. My feelings have little to do with this decision though, right and wrong don’t change because of how I feel. I’m not a moral relativist, are you?
@Shamalien i am Christian and plain as day animals are here for our normal purposes. Including killing and eating them which is specifically mentioned. Also just common sense animals do not have the moral equivalent of humans. Quick proof is are all lions and grizzly bears murderers or would be murderers? Should they get the death penalty or prison when they attack people even if its simple assault? Clearly a different category than humans. And do you ever step on a bug? Should you go to prison for it? Im asking ought not will you. Just none of that is even close to making sense to me let alone even if it did i still would be ok with it since im Christian.
I’m not christian. My morality parallels christianity in many ways but not on this subject. If an animal attempts to murder you, you can kill it in self defence. Stepping on a bug is involuntary, I don’t go out of my way to kill bugs unless they invade my space. Killing mammals much like us is totally voluntary and conscious and you are responsible for that suffering you put out into the world
@Shamalien You can stop being disingenious. The entire point of becoming a vegetarian or vegan is all about feelings. Feeling sorry for animals that is. You're speaking about morality. When this is a matter of nature. When entire species are used to eating meat, then your morality is not universal. Especially not since the majority of society (as far as I know) aren't sharing your moral views. So in other words, speak for yourself. Studies even show that vegan diet can lead to other health complications. One example is a higher risk for fractures. So it seems that disposing meat is not entirely heavenly for your body.
@TruthBringer you are free to interpret my very clear and obvious argument in any way that makes you feel best. Morality is absolute regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it and I stand with the true law of this world
@Shamalien Whatever helps you sleep at night, mate ;). I'll stick to eating my meat and building some actual muscle.
@Shamalien "Morality is absolute" so we should kill all carnivores since they murdered other animals? This line of thinking makes no sense.
@bamesjond0069 If a carnivore attacks you, or if anything attacks you, you have the right to self defence. Animals are not held to the same standard of morality as humans, they don’t have the mind to understand right and wrong on an intellectual level
@Shamalien so if they dont have a mind on our level then why do they have rights on our level? There doesn't seem to be any logic here. The other issue is if you accidentally kill a human you are responsible but you say if you accidentally kill a bug its just an accident nbd... another hole in the logic of this.
We have a mind on our level, thus we carry the burden of aligning our actions with the true moral law of this world. You think it’s okay to abort a baby because it doesn’t have a mind on our level or do you assume the burden of acting in a moral way towards it? Let’s not detract from the point by talking about accidental killing, it is very rare that one who does not intend to eat meat does so by accident. If humans were small enough to kill with that little effort I’m sure we’d have to change some things about our society lol but this is besides the point.
Don’t support the enslavement and murder of sentient beings if you don’t wanna be enslaved and murdered, it’s as simple as that. Accidents happen, don’t focus on that, focus on the choices you make consciously since that is within your control
@Shamalien "Accidents happen, don’t focus on that" why because its a big gaping hole in your moral theory? Do you know how many innocent beings you've killed your whole life? Probably thousands. Even planting veggies and eating them kills animals. The only moral thing to do is starve since plants are alive too
@bamesjond0069 I’m talking about conscious action and you are bringing up accidents and conveniently ignoring the fact that the vast overwhelming majority of animals slaughtered for flesh are not accidental occurrences. Are you being purposefully obtuse?
@bamesjond0069 you will recall that I used the word SENTIENT beings and even capitalized it for you since I knew you’d go in this direction
@bamesjond0069 look eat whatever you want man I’m not here to convince you of anything, it’s your karma. I’m telling you it’s wrong, because it is, you do with that information whatever you like.
@Shamalien " I’m telling you it’s wrong, because it is," That's your opinion. I see it as part of nature. Like many other animals, we humans have evolved to eat meat. So I don't see why it is wrong. Sure, I can feel sorry for some animals because it has to be this way, but the same thing is said whenever I watch a predator manages to kill its prey in the wild. Feel free not to eat meat, but don't come here and impose your own moral compass on people. Morality is isn't absolute.
@TruthBringer yeah i love feeling part of nature. Fishing and hunting for your own food is amazing. Certainly something every man should try at least once to catch something and eat it.
Honestly I don’t understand why straight men can’t see the irony in believing how consuming meat makes them more masculine - that’s the definition of fragile masculinity.
Also chill out Conner, I doubt the process meat you consume with tons of saturated fats is doing you anything good. Buying food at your local grocery store isn’t the same as hunting lol
Need protein. Guys require more nutrition and food for their body. Guys naturally have higher muscle mass and are taller. So naturally they require more than women. Meat is more fulfilling than non meat. It’s cheaper and tastes better. If you cut out meat it really effects your mental and physical health. Requires a complete lifestyle change and discipline. Usually more well off and established people can convert to those diets. And perhaps raise their children the same way to be healthier. That’s just not an option for most people. And I know vegetarians and vegans love to argue it’s cheaper and better than meat. That’s completely BS. It’s not.
the word Vegetarian comes from an old Indian word meaning poor hunter.
I’ve been a vegetarian for five years now. No one believes me when they first find out. I’m 6’3” and muscular, it’s strange how little people understand nutrition and their bodies. I think there’s a thought that people need to eat meat for nutritional reasons and that’s so false.
Probably because of the macronutrient needs. Men need more protein (and more of most other things), and meat, especially fish and chicken, are some of the best sources of quality protein. Men often lift weights and value being strong, and eating meat certainly makes that easier
There is no logic behind going that route, it's better to treat the animals better in the meat industry than remove it and make many domesticated animals join the endangered species. Because very few people would have the animals if they didn't become meat in the end.
Probably because they're not as impressionate and are slightly less likely to be sucked into harmful ideologies. That's why many vegans start out in their teenage years.
Could be because women are supposed to be more compassionate than men, so many go vegetarian because of compassionate or ethical reasons. In my country, India, a lot more women are vegetarian because of family values, cultural reasons. Men go out far more often and can eat non-veg foods which are sold as snacks, but it's never cooked at home. Women have a much less chance of going out.
I think it could be a combination of 2 things, some guys won't care as much as women yes, but I also think we have a bigger appetite in general than women maybe? Like I like fruits and vegetables, but I also don't find them filling. Or it doesn't last long. Then personally there's other things, like I find them very expensive, don't last long in my fridge (ie go bad, and I'm a single guy), and that I just love meat in general.
I'm Keto and it works for me. I'm also highly allergic to the sustainable plant foods which vegetarians eat. Nuts? nope. Seeds? Mostly nope. And as far as fruits? Yeah I'm allergic to a lot. Also on Keto I'm the healthiest I've been in years. I estimate by year's end I'll have lost 120 lbs of body fat or more. I eat enough greens to keep me regular, that's all I need em for at this point.
I'd say that to an extent it's ingrained onto our genes, you know hunter gatherers.
Most men would hunt, most women would gather.
The other is that meat has more protein, vitamins, minerals than veg per pound/gram. In other words meat is perfect for a hunter.
Well I was a personal trainer and part our studies at the institution I graduated from was about food and nutrition and how it affect our bodies.
becuase I have that knowledge from actual legit nutritionists, doctors and scientists I could never be vegan or vegetarian. Because that diet/eating style really isn’t healthy.
The best most balanced nutritional intake is to eat appropriate amounts of food from all food groups.
They don't have the willpower to give up eating meat. And they are also hard headed and unwilling to change their mind so a lot won't change just because of that even tho there are many health benefits to being vegetarian/vegan.
@Juxtapose getting rid red meat can be helpful but to get all the benefits It's best to be completely vegan. Even vegetarian can be risky cause most of them eat lots of processed dairy products and other processed food in general
@Apple1996 Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian genius.
I guess he had that willpower you admire so much. And he wasn’t hard headed either. 😂
@Apple1996
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism
There you go. Try reading something before you make blanket statements ascribing personality traits to people over their goddamn diets. Vegetarians have more willpower. What the fuck ever 😂
@Agagagagaga I have read about it many times. If you look into more there's a lot of things saying he was a failed vegetarian.
And you are no better for grouping vegans and Hitler as the same. It's very stereotypical thing for people to say when they hear someone is vegan to bring up Hitler
"many health benefits"
Except for not getting B12. But sure, having a diet that requires you to take supplements makes total sense.
@FakeName123 farmers inject their cows with b12 so no matter what everyone is technically taking the supplement either through eating the meat or just taking the vitamin
@Juxtapose they don't get enough or else we could just eat the same plants and get the b12. For me I'm not too crazy on supplements since we live in a world where things have vitamins added too them. It's easy enough to eat cereal or find a drink with added b12. Only time I take vitamins is when I'm pregnant/breastfeeding. Other then those times I won't take anything else.
Because men are much more likely to make decisions based on logic rather than emotions.
Same reason why women are more religious, less likely to believe in pseudo-scientific nonsense such as astrology and so on.
What’s wrong with astrology?
No it isn’t!! I love it! I’m a water element. Passive, free flowing, sensitive and loving.
Like men are more logical lol. You guys get angry about the smallest things.
That’s bull crap and you know it!!! Men can be just as emotional as women if not more so sometimes. Many certainly get upset when a woman out does him in something lol.
Must be a manly man thing. I'm vegetarian trying to become vegan. I also don't know any other vegetarians it vegans at all. Wish I did. Most men are aggressive and love death in their mouth. They afraid veggies don't make then manly enough. It is so weird.
Generally, women take care of themselves more and pay attention to their health more than men
They go to gym more and pay more attention to what their doctors prescribe for them
I don’t know the reason exactly but I think because all men should try to make a living and money. But, it’s not mandatory for women so they can allocate more time on themselves