I dont think that beta males or Alpha males exist?

Question

This is bullcrap our society invented. What is your opinion?

Apple1996 · Accepted Answer

They don't exist. Anyone who thinks that is just stupid. Same with the high value/low value man thing like some people make up this shit to put others down. There is no alpha/beta, high/low value men out there.

mandyfire98 · Accepted Answer

It's horseshit. It's just insecure people trying to puff themselves up.

normalice · Answer

It is the opposite of an invention by society. It is an instinct in a lot of cooperative mammals to look to an experienced and capable "alpha" for protection and guidance. This simplifies a lot of things in nature, as the alpha can decide when it the risk of engaging in a fight are outweighed by the benefits, and so know when to bow out. If the alpha can bow out then the rest of the pack saves face. There is a lot of "tending to their underlings' emotions" involved with being an alpha, which makes a lot of sense when you're trying to keep people motivated for future fights.

But of course in a society the whole concept of fighting is ridiculous. The Law is supposed to be our alpha. It is supposed to be the advice given from the full scope of our history and our guide to discern the very few exceptions for when fighting is necessary. The law is meant to correct our nature, not enhance it. Just as an alpha is supposed to do in the wild.

But somehow, and I suppose it makes sense to see things this way from a "beta" perspective, the role of alpha is seen as the one who doesn't get told what to do, doesn't have emotional baggage, and, most importantly, gets all the women. The idea that there is responsibility involved doesn't enter their minds - which is ultimately the whole issue: the will to be responsible is what makes a person an "alpha." And the avoidance of responsibility to engage in self indulgence is what makes a person a "beta." The apparent benefits of being an alpha are really just what is needed to take responsibility. If it looks like they never get told what to do that's only because it is up to them to decide what actions will produce the best results. If it looks like they are always confident and composed that's because they know wishful thinking or figuring out who to blame is never going to produce the results their pack needs. And as for getting all the women, well... in my experience women value competence far above confidence - it's just that it's hard to tell the difference until someone is tested.

Datboi65 · Answer

To tell you the truth, there's a true hierarchy that exists. Everyone knows that, even in government you have the president then the VP then the speaker of the house and so on.

Hierarchy gives structure. Structure gives efficiency. For a hierarchy to exist, some people will need to be above and others will need to be below. The ones who are above are involved in the decision-making, the one's whobare below carry out the orders. In every group, there's a male leader and male followers. The male leader is the "alpha" and the followers are the "beta". There can only be ONE alpha. This isn't about the others being weak or pussies, this is more about who is the one calling out the shots, and that can only be one person.

See, to say that you think the terms are overused is correct. There are many goofy losers that claim to be alphas when they work for someone else. However, you cannot say that such a pattern does not exist because it does. In your house for example, the alpha is your dad. In school, it's the principle. In University, that's the Dean and so on. It's usually someone who has more authority and can carry out consequences if you disrespect that authority, or give out rewards if you do well.

Alphas don't need to prove they are alphas, because results speak for themselves. They don't need to remind someone who they are, but there's a famous saying I heard from a wise man on the internet "if you fuck around, you're gonna find out" and that's their motto. Direct and to the point, not pounding on their chest like a Silverback. Consequences depend on the environment whether it's a work environment, at the University, School or home, the consequences are usually different but a hierarchy is usually present. Hell, even in some groups of friends someone usually has more connections/is more popular and the others are followers, and you can be excommunicated from your group. The point stands.

Why is that the case? Humans crave organization as intelligent creatures, so structure requires hierarchy. We are social creatures, so we require companionship. One thing that's usually different about the leaders is that they THINK FOR THEMSELVES. They are highly disagreeable and are more assertive in nature, but are also highly intelligent and good at both analytical skills but also social skills to convince other people to follow their idea/guidance. That's what gives them power. Power is not what you have, power is in being backed by other people. You cannot be powerful if you don't have the support of other people, and you can not have the support of other people without hierarchy, so these two things feed onto each other.

inhua · Answer

no it is not bullcrap invented by our society. it is merely a more simplified way of describing something that already exists which is leaders and followers.

as long as leaders and followers exist, alphas and betas will always exist. people don't want them to exist to make themselves feel better but not all men are made equal. this can be seen in the mannerisms and traits they display or how others view them.

alpha and beta is all relative for example a Sergeant is an alpha to a Private soldier but a beta to a Colonel. there are also men who large groups of women are drawn to and there are men who repel large groups of women away from them.

the best one way to determine whether someone is an alpha relative to you or not is are you willing to follow their lead into battle. Donald Trump may be viewed as an asshole by many but he has the balls to get things done which is what an alpha does whereas Joe Biden is nothing more than a puppet who lets others dictate what he does which what a beta does. at the end of the day, some people are more confident then others, more competitive than others, more competent than others etc.

MrOracle · Answer

It's very real, but I think many people misunderstood what it means.

An "alpha" is a man who is extremely driven, competitive, and who is very "take charge." While this can describe businessmen, it can also describe athletes or singers/rappers or sometimes just really handsome men who use their drive and competitiveness to get women (even if he's broke and living on a friend's couch, or living off a woman).

A "beta" is a follower. He's got a job - maybe even a good-paying job, but he's not in command. He's more interested in being comfortable and isn't as interested in spending nearly all his free time working on getting to a leadership position. He's not the guy to start a business or run for office or take a stage. He also isn't going out all the time to pick up women.

Betas are not bad - they tend to be more stable, more reliable and are more likely to have time to spend with a partner - alphas stay incredibly busy and they take risks that don't always pay off, so they may go bankrupt or mortgage the house or cancel the vacation - but they often do very well financially in the long run.

While some alphas are really good looking, many are average looking - it's their drive and success that makes them attractive. They are often terrible partners, but they are exciting when viewed from the outside, so women tend to be very attracted to them. They may live a high lifestyle, but they often have little free time and prioritize their "mission" above their relationship.

Betas seem boring - not flashy or exciting - so they are often dismissed or ignored by women, but they are far more likely to be good partners, and have the time to invest in their relationships.

YourFavoriteFriend · Answer

Believe it or not, that's how things are. It's like trying to prove to someone that they have high standards while they keep saying "but my standards are average!". Well, they are! In your mind. If everyone that you don't like is invisible to your eyes then your standards are "average" but if you add EVERYONE to the equation then your standards are not so average. by the way, "your" doesn't refer to YOU of course, just making an example.

So the reason that you (and every women who thinks the same) think that is because you are a straight woman and when you think about men, you think about the attractive ones and think that the unattractive ones are the small minority but this can't be more further than truth. There are a lot of men that are very weak, fat, don't take care of themselves, are very afraid to decide anything and take leadership for anything and that are "beta males" in general. While there are a couple that are the exact opposite.

This is the same as a lot of guys in the "blackpill" and "redpill" type communities that say how much easier girls have it with relationships and they say every girl but surprise, surprise, this is not true at all. How many girls have we seen only in this forum (is G@G considered a forum? I don't know, lol!) having problems in relationship and dealing with terrible guys? If really even the most "ugly" girls could find a good enough guy, then how are some many girls stuck with such terrible guys? I mean, sure, a lot of them just chose the wrong guys but this can't be the case for everyone.

I don't like to use these terms but I like their meaning and how they describe different behaviors. The truth is somewhere in the middle most of the times. There are better and worse males out there and regardless of the words that someone uses, that's just a fact.

Audiofox · Answer

Men just seem to really like everything in life to have structure and order. This is a way of making sense of what doesn’t make sense. A sort of lazy quantifier. Humans are (often overly) hierarchical but not in the same way as other mammals are by a long shot. “Beta and Alpha” simply ignores the reality that life is full of variables, so I’d have to agree that it’s nonsense. I’ve never been attracted to “alpha” types personally which seems to blow a hole in that “reasoning” to begin with and really annoys dudes who put their life and soul into being more traditionally masculine. I like soft hearted older dudes with dad bods myself.

Lionman95 · Answer

I think there´s some truth to it because there are guys that are more or less confident, out going and strong than others. There are guys that fit better to the common ideal of masculinity while others seem weaker because they are more reserved.
But there is much trash out there because many self proclaimed experts claim that guys could be put easily in categories and just one test that just covers a guy´s behavior can solve the deal while neglecting other reasons that could make a guy less confident like experience and maturity levels. (A young guy could be bragging more than older guy).
So I think many guys focus way too much on that being something inherited while there were actually possible ways to change something about themselves.

Price511 · Answer

Yeah the Omegaverse thing is all just a power dynamic fantasy that makes some people think they inherently are better than others in every way as a “man 😎” and not as a “man 😔”.

This whole alpha and beta male thing is bullshit, most people would call me a beta yet I get more bitches than any self-proclaimed “Alpha Males” I’ve met.

They can believe what they want though, if it helps them sleep at night. But this whole power fantasy of a quoted “alpha male” at best is referable as something more primal that isn’t indicative of humans in the slightest, and at worst is simply just someone trying to justify themselves being an asshole to their supposed underlings.

I throw out the term Alpha Male for the memes and to be ironically cringe, but when people actually take it seriously is when I stop taking them seriously.

NamerOfStars · Answer

Mech's experiment,  as he admitted himself , was flawed- it does not describe animals in their natural state, but when struggling mentally from the stresses of living in captivity. Unless you're going to argue that men who so describe themselves or others are saying that they're mentally ill from living in captivity- an argument that you  could  make FOR them, but which they typically have too much ego invested in the idea to agree with- it has less relevance to reality than comparing their phrenological readings.

DaveJord · Answer

I think society has done a lot to emasculate men in general in over the course of the last 20 years. So Alpha males were admired once upon a time... not they are despised.

So, we Alpha types do not refer to ourselves as Alpha, because its politically incorrect. We just call ourselves successful, quality type men of high value. Because that's less arrogant and condescending to say, I guess.

What we Alpha types also think without saying it out loud, out of fear of being canceled out... is that we think of ourselves as being strongly heterosexual types, that believe a man is supposed to act like a man, because we fully expect women to act like women... but we still love and cherish women anyway.

Miristheiss · Answer

You sound like a contrarian or someone who likes to quibble with semantics.

If you don't like the words then just acknowledge what ever words you like.

Nice guys and bad boys.

Bold, take charge, fearless and the passive, taken advantage of indecisive...

High levels of confidence and self respect... and those that let people walk all over them and take advantage of them.

Those that stand up to women and call them out on their sheet when they are out of line and those that put women on a pedestal and always apologize and give in to anything a woman wants.

Those the make moves and assert some sexual tension... those that are just friends and just chit chat about mundane things but never make a move and declare passion and desire and interest.

Like all things in life there is a spectrum of 2 extremes and people can fall anywhere between the 2.

Have your fun playing semantics with the words alpha and beta

ChiTown33 · Answer

Most people are mixed bags. Both strong and weak. Both good and bad. I think society creates these labels to try to simplify "pecking order" I guess. While there might be SOME truth to these labels, life is NEVER quite that simple. Someone might exhibit Alpha qualities or beta qualities depending on the Groupon people they find themselves in.

jennifer_bloom · Answer

I do not respect any guy that claims to be an alpha male because real leaders are humble people who are more excellent and devoted to public service than others. Only losers too arrogant to submit to authority refer to themselves as alpha males. Beta males are doctors who serve, professors who serve, company managers who take on big responsibilities, farmers who feed people, alpha males are pot heads too dumb to pass high school and sleep around with strangers.

pers0n · Answer

I will have to check if snopes debunked the military alphabet.

SnowedIn · Answer

They are absurd labels that have little grounding in fact or reality and help no one except perhaps the people who feel better wielding the labels. Add to the list "simp" and "Chad" that I see here on GaG so often.

MCheetah · Answer

They definitely exist, regardless of what labels you give them. And the irony is, girls who claim they don't exist, tend to like strong men the most and hate weak men the most, while also implying strong men and weak men "aren't a thing." You're a college aged girl and even you said in the past you wouldn't date men under six feet tall (implying you hate weak men), so you're contradicting yourself right now.

jayhams · Answer

You realize everything is a social construct right? Anyways the way both terms are over used makes it lose some meaning but the idea behind it isn't completely wrong. Their are definitely some "alpha" males that would lead over "betas". It might make more sense as a male who has hung around other groups of males and saw the group dynamics play out. Or you can think about more primitive living groups of people and observe why their social norms are different.

Agape93 · Answer

You're right, it doesn't exist. Never has. It's just a label used by assholes to make themselves feel superior or cool, and by lovers to make themselves feel better and feed their delusions.

SaoirseS · Answer

I think they're useless terms. "Alpha" and "biology" seem to be the vogue terms for some guys to justify obnoxious behavior.

Paul_in_Indy · Answer

You are absolutely right. That is just some ridiculous drivel repeat it by guys who don’t get it.

backdoorman · Answer

You can choose to call them whatever you want, but there's no question the personality types those terms describe do in fact exist. It is the terms themselves some people seem to have a problem with.

fonduegirl · Answer

its the star sign equivalent for men

Tamera952 · Answer

Duh… you’re a little late in arriving at that conclusion. Does anybody even say those silly terms anymore? I think not.

TallAnon · Answer

We have different kinds of people. How we classify them (young, old), it's all made up. A 40y. o. could be old to one and young to another. This the same thing.

PatriceONeal · Answer

There are beta males and alpha males in every animal species on the planet. Why would we be any different? It's merely a classification of a state of mind that you can flow in and out of. Beta males are weak and pathetic and alpha males are strong and courageous. Trump Is an Alpha, Biden is a beta. You want more alphas and less betas.

boggboss · Answer

Lame definitions to put people in categorys and or used to put some down whilst stroking ones ego

Nikki1989 · Answer

You are right, they don't exist, never have.

Berethor · Answer

Kinda, males who like their woman to cuck them are clearly an beta males.

worldscolide · Answer

I don't think alphas exist. I think there are normal men, and then there are betas, which are the low T effiminate men.

Kingofkings1992 · Answer

Yes, you are correct. It’s just a lame attempt to put people inside of boxes. It is true some men are more natural leaders, and some are more quiet and reserved. There’s nothing wrong with that though. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.

Rockstarrrrr · Answer

I mean...

TheSpaceGnome · Answer

Thats because they don't.  it's just something assholes say about society.

Andres77 · Answer

Maybe it’s just a nicer way to say assholes and pussies.

Cedman · Answer

Yes they don't exist. The whole idea of alpha males/ females came from misconceptions watching wolves. The wolves were parents not "alpha" wolves, thus the pups were just following the parents orders.

RainBat · Answer

Anyone that calls themselves an alpha unironically should be kicked in the head

BJP21 · Answer

Im with you on that best way to describe it... EGO.

therisingtidx · Answer

Power resides where men believe it resides.  As long as people believe someone is an alpha male, that belief itself makes that male, an alpha male.

AmeerX · Answer

I think people label anyone who is friendly to his female friends and colleagues

XLBBC4White · Answer

Just a label for the times. There have always been men who lead and men that follow. Men that take charge and men that keep quiet. Men that can ruin a chick to where she'll only want a huge dick and men that never really satiate a woman.

Joker_ · Answer

so you disagree that there are attractive men and unattractive men

NathanDavis · Answer

and you are absolutely right...

HugeDikEng · Answer

Wasn't invited by our society. We modeled this idea of of what we see in the animal kingdom. Obviously, you just a feminist who probably don't shave her arm pits.

bamesjond0069 · Answer

Lmao at all the betas saying it doesn't exist.

LazerBean · Answer

Weak and strong men exist.

WhiteBoyChill · Answer

I think the whole concept is just about there being men that follow and those who lead

WhitneySnow · Answer

I agree with you

Blackcupcake · Answer

they do not exist, yes.

exitseven · Answer

I do not believe in it either.

itsalyssaagain · Answer

I agree.

bigpauly · Answer

Yea I think it’s a made up term

Cubus · Answer

I am not interested in semantics like this.

LimitedBenefits101 · Answer

Same reason women believe in star sign.

dustybiker · Answer

Ego and hurt.

LavLavLuv · Answer

It’s cringe

SamK20 · Answer

My opinion is that you are wrong.

Mafia24 · Answer

Including your boyfriend & dad?

Anonymous · Answer

Hmm. You exist for alpha male?

Preeti161101 · Answer

Agree 💯

Luckycharms12 · Answer

Yap it's bullshit

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