“If a guy likes a girl he should fight for her.” Do you agree or disagree?

[cookieman12]

[Anonymous]

Yea he should. This is what real men do.
Im not entirely sure what you mean by “fight for her” exactly. There are many way to

“ FIGHT FOR HER “

Maybe you meant “fight over her” like a physical fight🥊. Fight to obtain her. If you have feelings for her.

Either way, I say yes. This is what Latin men do. And it’s what’s right, it’s what’s correct. Mexican Mariachi or Puertoricans sing about this all the time. That’s what makes you masculine and a man. If she puts you to the test or on a hero role, even better. Always try to impress or show off.

It is what every male on the animal kingdom Does.

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The female Lionesses chooses to sit, so that a strong male with a large mane, can reproduce with her.

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It’s a females job to test you and put you to the test. To play hard to get. This is biological. Women do this and even more if she’s highly attracted to a man.

Don’t listen to effeminate males who are high in estrogen and are leaches to P—RN. Leaches to XXX. Who enjoy their XXX PACIFIERS 🍼 daily. Who haven’t gotten their D-K wet in decades! Who haven’t seen a gym or a dumbbell in 5 years. Who haven’t gotten an inch of AZZ in their entire life possibly, cause there was no PAPA to teach them. 🤡 And many men online using internet tend to be effeminate.

I’m telling you right now that this is how nature works. If a woman finds herself insanely sexually attracted to man. She’s gonna feel nervous. And she’s gonna find it hard to even talk to you. Specially if she’s inexperienced. How are you supposed to know if she’s experienced or not.

I would know, because I wouldn’t dare talk to my crush out of the embarrassment and inexperienced I was. This man “fought for me” or “fought to have me” for over 2 years. Sometimes he’s stand up for me. Other times he’d buy me things. But he’d make it CLEAR that he’s into me. Him watching me with his eyes across a room would melt me. He’d do it across a parking lot. And finally, after 2 year I gave him a chance. Even if I was insecure or completely embarrassed.

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There’s a certain way to show off or impress. There’s a certain way to LOOK at her and not creep her out. It’s called swagg, it’s called masculinity. I’m not exactly sure how to explain. But you need to learn the basics of female sexual attraction to a man. You need to learn basics of biology or reproduction in the animal kingdom. Go to the most attractive men or the most appealing men for advice. Seek advice from certain married men, who actually have a wife or kids. These men will tell you the truth.

But I suggest to keep fighting for her. Specially if she’s single. What’s not to fight for. Why give up. Do keep your options open and talk to other women, but don’t give up on her if she’s giving you a challenge.

[Opinion Owner]

https://youtu.be/FCl79T0VC8U
Achilles how he stares are her like he’s confident and knows what he’s doing.
https://youtu.be/CkFkRabUb0g
Raphael the ninja turtle look at how he talks how deep his voice is..

https://youtu.be/Llysp8hdr7k
Being attractive

These are some examples of attractive masculine men you should aspire to look like. Or some mannerisms that can help you to show you how to behave or impress a woman. Don’t be rude on an azzHole. Just behave with confidence and like you know what you’re doing. Otherwise you’ll look inexperienced.
You need to act with some leadership and strength.
@cookieman12

I can show you how to up your level of testosterone as well cause women can SNIFF the testosterone levels on a man. We can SNIFF IT. It’s like a pheromone.

[Shamalien]

What if she breaks up with you but yells you she loved you for the first time as she does (and this girl cannot keep her hands off you when you’re together, she is into it)

Do I play that stupid fking game? I would want her but I don't know if I want these games

[Opinion Owner]

@Shamalien
That’s interesting I never done that lol 😂
Maybe she just can’t make up her mind.

[Shamalien]

Well she refuses to call me now, will text only, so I don't know what to make of it. Am I really gunna fight for someone who can’t make up their mind tho? I want someone I can trust

[DizzyDesii]

I feel like their are better time/places to fight. If he likes me, he just needs to say it and show it. What is being said matters to me and then it can be followed up through action. I will do my best to provide words of affirmation and ensure my actions match words in return. If things start not to workout between us BUT we both truly see potential in a shared future, then yes lets work it out. But if it starts to become one sided, a person can state why they want us to be together only so much. When its over its over. I’d also like to add in, If someone disrespects one of us, then the other needs to step up and have that persons back.

[Texaskid1]

Bullshit.

The last thing any man on the planet should do is fight for or over a woman. How many idiot men out there are in prison because they got physical over a woman?

Also , if a woman is not putting any effort into a man then why should he try? Only a masochist would do such a thing.

I remember in college I had a buddy who was head over heals for some silly girl. He chased her for months. And I mean months on end. That bitch strung him along like puppy while she was fucking her boyfriend. Yet she continued to give him hope and fuck with his head. It took him over 6 months to come to terms with what she was doing.

Six fucking months. In the mean time he was the most miserable I had ever seen him. All over some silly bitch that was blowing some other guy.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Texaskid1. Well said.

[SteveSmith1985]

Depends on what you mean by "fight for her" I guess.

If you mean fight for her against ninjas and shit, then of course.

If you mean fight for her as in "fight to get her" then absolutely not. You shouldn't have to.

There are probably situations where that may not hold true. But generally... why should getting the girl require a fight? WHO are you fighting... WHAT are you fighting... most of all WHY are you fighting.

I don't know what exactly needs to be fought in order to get a girl. If she likes you back, you get her. If she doesn't like you back, you don't. What's all this business about fighting?

[Anonymous]

I don’t know fight how? Call her more etc?
I think it should be a 50/50 try and no I’m not talking financially but only spiritual emotionally etc. if for 7 days you realize it’s just you contacting him then step down a little and leave the turn to him. Something like this.
If you leave with him notice the actions of it’s your again struggling to keep it together than again step down. Women are scared when men take their time but honestly it’s a good way to melt the men come at you in his “ masculinity mode “like masculinity 101 gets refreshed if you leave him some space to come “back” as it was. That’s whey I don’t recommend you kinda right away with why when how you don’t do this and that.
Don’t forget men are from mars women are from venus

[Opinion Owner]

Live * not leave

[Opinion Owner]

Never mind too many autocorrect if you don’t understand it sorry 😂

[Chazmatazz269]

Strongly disagree. Dudes are literally getting raped and murdered in prison for subscribing to this ignorant nonsense.
If a woman isn’t putting as much effort into proving herself to a man, then any man would be a complete moron to put any effort into pursuing her. Unless he wants to be raped and murdered in prison, obviously. If that’s the case, do whatever.

[denisenic01e]

If she's not interested "fighting for her" sounds like trying to force/persuade/convince her to be with you..

If something wants to be yours, you wouldn't have to "fight" for it... This statement is for stalkers that won't let go.. They always use it as an excuse to keep contacting girls to prevent them from moving on!

"boo hoo... You're not willing to FIGHT FOR US! 😂 😂 😂 😂

[Jemini_Crocket]

If you are into her and pursue her but she declines, isn't interested in you, I'd say stop trying/fightning (whatever you wanna call it).

But if it's not the case, then I believe every man should work a little bit to get his special girl. Appreciate her and look after her.

Bite me.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

No.

Scenario one, if she decides some douche is better than you, the hell with her, she's not worth it.

Scenario two, she's getting harassed, you both leave the situation.

Scenario 3. If you have to, fight to keep you both safe if it's like a mugging or something.

[Sunssong]

No. However, I've seen skilled men operate successful by progressing on.
I personally don't want someone as a ONS or a causal buddy.

If you don't know what you want, I don't want you.
If I'm not what you want, I don't want you.

[Wade12345]

Agreed. Im not fighting over any woman. If she doesn't want me, she doesn't want me.

[Guy13]

If a guy likes a girl she should not physically fight for, however, he should contend for her. No woman like a guy without a backbone who can not handle a little adversity and testing. Women do most of that on purpose..

[Rat_Boy]

That shit is toxic

[AmandaYVR]

There's no context here, so I don't know how we're supposed to answer this, or what's behind it.

Since the q is without all that, I'll answer 'no.' Because I see too many pitfalls and holes in this concept.

[Shamalien]

If you love a girl and she breaks up with you after breaking a promise she made days earlier, should he fight for her? This happened to me and at that point I felt I couldn’t trust her so I didn’t but I did not want to break up

[AmandaYVR]

@Shamalien Well that sounds like an intense and heart-wrenching situation, but it's also too distilled down to answer as is.
Two things come to mind, though -
What was the promise that she made? and,
There are going to be promises broken, trust broken. There is no relationship that doesn't eventually have these. Disagree? Then the relationship hasn't gone on long enough for it to happen yet.
Question is, do we want to pursue our life with that person, given the details of those circumstances? No one is forced to. Relationships are free will. But these matters are not black or white, on or off, and no one is truly moral or immoral all the time.
I could say a lot more, but... maybe it's not appropriate or relevant.

[Shamalien]

@AmandaYVR the promise was she would work things out with me no matter what and always be honest about her feelings and talk to me. That she wouldn’t leave, that she was staying and that she did think I was the one and wanted a life with me. Tell me your thoughts please

[AmandaYVR]

@Shamalien @Shamalien Wow, that's a very tough one to have broken.
(by the way, this is why some people choose marriage, because they're making that promise to not do this, give up impulsively. There's no easy or unthought-out escape hatch.)

She broke a promise to not shut down, to express her feelings. to be communicative.
But she also did the ending. She chose to leave. Only you know the reasons why, but typically in this type of situation the one person has already made their decision. Yes, sometimes the other can, or needs to step in, and set them straight (not aggressively, but to clarify). Sometimes one person has to be the protector of the relationship, almost as if it is an entity unto itself (that strips a little bit of the emotion and personalization out of it), so I cannot say (nor should anyone, really) that the person who is being left must never fight for the relationship. But they do have a major uphill battle (problem) in getting the other to still see, or recognize, or remember the value of the relationship (and the value of the other person to them.)

The only way to answer this - should the person being left also sometimes chase - is in knowing (having experienced) the other person's explanation, and information for why they want to leave the relationship. Are their reasons sound? Of sound mine? Are they acting irrationally? Do they have a history of being hot-tempered, and then later regretting their actions, which their partner knows about them? Do they have abandonment issues, or do they tend to cut-and-run to circumvent even being left? (In their mind, "abandoned.") If you are their partner, and you are privy to such things, then you can act however you see fit. (And should ignore any personal or societal pressure to do otherwise.)

[AmandaYVR]

Something I find fascinating, personally, is sea changes in culture. We who live within it often don't know they are happening (change feels fairly slow, typically), but there are some people (such as anthropologists, sociologists) who have made it their life's work to be abreast of such things, and so I like to listen to and follow people like this.
And one of these people has explained that western culture has changed significantly, in that people are now shamed for staying, or shamed for chasing, as opposed to past culture (less than 100 years) where people were shamed for leaving/giving up/not forgiving.
But the cultural zeitgeist surrounding this concept is so virulent, to even broach this subject, or make the suggestion, is typically or often met with scorn. People now throw words like "disrespect", "self-respect", "strong", "independence", etc etc, you get the idea. America is the land of individuality, individualism. Canada is less so. But I am of the belief that judgment is just as ugly when on the person who wants to forgive, or try again, or convince, or "chase." It is for you to decide that. And for everyone. But we often don't follow our heart because so many shout "think with your head!"

It sounds like you have lost a love. (I'm going to stop short of saying 'great love' because maybe she isn't. Or maybe you think right now that she is, but years from now you will no longer feel that way. That's been the case for myself, honestly, many times in my twenties. I was heartbroken.) But clarity comes often in retrospect. It used to be that in the future, there is no way to contact the person again, even if this clarity revealed that they were worth it all along. Nowadays, with social media galore, it's pretty easy to find someone again.

[AmandaYVR]

My own personal conclusion on that is that everything is relative. Someone seems great compared to what you know at that point. When (if) someone greater comes along later, you will downgrade that person in your mind (and heart.) The sting of them not being in your life anymore will lessen. Sometimes that is simply with time; sometimes it is with context and is relative to others. Predicting which it will be (downgraded or valued even more) is the real key.

The more people you interact with (either by time or quantity over a short time), the more clear your understanding will become. You will more efficiently gauge people. The problem is that you no longer have every person as an option. They're behind you, most likely, or living some parallel life on another path away from you. But when you meet the next person, comparisons will be made (some get very insecure and uncomfortable with that, but that's what human brains do - compare and size up with what they already know), so if this woman is on a very short list of people in your life you have been in relationships with or met, then I would guess she's likely to hold a pretty esteemed place in your heart. And if there were more, before and after her, I'd guess that she'd really have to particularly special, in order to remain to valued to you.

I'm sorry if I'm writing too much here, being too long-winded, but this is a pretty abstract q you're asking. Or, it's a yes or no, do or don't, but the conditions surrounding it matter greatly in how you proceed.

[AmandaYVR]

If you love her, and you're wondering if you should go after her, tell her you want to try again, then I would base that primarily on how she treated you during your relationship, separate from the end.
But you must also, of course, take into account how she ended it, what she said. Not the emotional stuff that might have been poorly worded or recklessly exposed without plan, but what her actual rational reasons seemed to be.

And then the other thing to decide on is your pride/embarrassment, and whether they are worth it. But I am a believer in risk. Not risking is just as detrimental as risking too much, only the too much kind, or too recklessly, is what stings more acutely, and people tend to remember painfully. But as is often said in peoples' twilight years, they regret the things they didn't do, not the things they did. Because you can stand by the risks more. Whereas the reticence is about fear. And being fearful, timid, is also something to regret. Plus, the torture of the what-if... well it can feel unbearable too, in its own way.

You would have to decide how special and unique is she? How much does she stand out from all others you have known? I have embarrassed and humbled myself many times, in the name of this. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But I can tell you that the times it does work out, it will embolden you. It can be a badge of honour, actually, when all is said and done, or you can look back in the rearview mirror. I really relish that feeling. More than the embarrassment ones. They still sting, but they're probably less demoralizing than the risks, and boldness, and honesty are empowering.

[Shamalien]

@AmandaYVR thanks for the well thought out response; I appreciate it a lot. I told her as she was breaking up with me that if she splits, that’s it, it’s over forever. Maybe I shouldn’t have said that, but I felt betrayed. She betrayed not just me but our love. I was always polite and kind to her parents but they thought I was a loser because I come from a different culture which values different traits. I just wasn’t a good match for her in their minds. I can’t imagine the pressure she was under but I was always there for her. She had everything she needed at her disposal. She would be dishonest with me, talk to everyone about her true feelings but me, while still seemingly enthralled and as romantic as ever, then drop the bomb on me once she’d made a decision with her friends and family and basically shatter my reality.

I really did love this person…so deeply…I would have done anything for her and she knew that, and before her parents got involved everything was great, but she just wasn’t her own person yet. We’re both in our 20s and I’m 5-6 years older, but I was more independent than her as a teen. You’re one of the more eloquent writers here and I appreciate your perspective. I’m aiming to process this thing fully and not sweep anything under the rug for my future partner to discover so thanks, this helps

[AmandaYVR]

@Shamalien I'm sorry you went through that, Shamalien. The "shatter my reality" was very heartfelt and touching.

Yeah, there's a number of things going on here. I've seen this play out before - the girl discussing intimate details of her relationship with friends and family or social media, and the guy feels betrayed, like she's airing their dirty laundry.
I'm a big proponent that men and women can be friends, and that we do need more than just our partner in our lives. It might work for a while (even several years) but eventually there comes a point when their world is just too small. However... this is one of the hazards of including others in that union. I am not surprised people sometimes feel threatened by friends, because friends can be hugely influential. It all depends on who those friends are, and how they approach their friendship with that person. They can harm it or help it.

Family is often a bigger obstacle. My family was not at all overbearing. Though their regime and influence when I lived with them was oppressive and psychologically extremely taxing. I got out of there as soon as I could afford it.
I hear people on dating shows talk about "the importance of family" but I don't know if that's for show, or they all truly mean it. To me, it's not important at all. I'd rather an independent person.

Who you were with is a person who was both inexperienced and feeling the pressure of her parents. It's hard to fault her, exactly, for not having a mind of her own. She's still young. But if I were you, I'd be trying to avoid that next time around. Not that you can just eliminate potential partners on these steadfast 'dealbreakers' in your mind, but-

[AmandaYVR]

It isn't until a female gets significantly older (30s+ maybe?) that she'll be more likely to not want to lean on friends to get 'their take' on social issues. It's a bit of insecurity and inexperience, yes, but it's also how females tend to process their feelings. Unless, like you, she is particularly independent, or mature, or evolved. (Which can also happen. I talked with my friends a lot about my relationships, but no one ever said, "Break up with him." Never. I was venting, hashing things out sometimes, but every decision was my own, and not even my parents ever coerced or intervened. Even when I said, "I'm moving countries to be with..." This isn't about me, I'm just saying you can find this mindset. Ask the qs early, to try to suss them out.

You sound like you have grown a lot since we first interacted. And as I said, I applaud you for that.
But you are sort of a dissident. (Certainly, a person with minority views sometimes/often.) You feel like an outlier sometimes. You would agree with that, right? A "polarizing personality", a "truth teller." So I'm doubtful that your differing bkgd was the only thing which her parents were concerned about.
And the fact that she made a promise to you, a few days earlier, suggests that there was a conflict, and things were rattled.
But regardless, I don't think it was either right or wrong of you to give that warning of sorts - don't give up on us, or I'm done. It's your prerogative. But be careful about ultimatums. And being reactionary. I know you are aware of that. You might burn some bridges you don't actually want to burn. Some people will repair them with you, but many will not.

I wish you all the best, and I think it's great you're really reflecting, and don't want to pass this along as unprocessed baggage in your next relationship. That's admirable.

[Shamalien]

My “polarizing” views were actually a big part of our union, as I shared them with her and her family. We were all conspiracy theorists of the highest order. They were from a conservative religious family though and I was from basically a new age daoist style family, so they were very superficial in their judgements of me. I’m a bit of an awkward nerd, a city boy, they are church going farm folk. There was no major conflict between us in between that promise and her abandoning ship. Even prior, nothing between us, just shit between her and her family, which I tried to console her about but her situation was too much for me to solve. She once again spent forever talking to her mom and her friend and then decided that “something was missing” basically saying that if I was the right one she wouldn’t feel “like this”. It all started when her sisters’ boyfriend broke up with her, and then her family got mad she was spending so much time with me and guilted her out hard. She basically had a breakdown. She was unstable when I got involved and I just had to watch her slowly unravel. She would always insist on spending so much time together then feel guilty afterwards and betray her other responsibilities, of which she took on way too many. Just a mess compared to my relatively stable life.

I treated this girl better than I ever had anyone. I would argue that I let her have her way too much of the time. I really did love this girl but she needed therapy. She actually asked her parents for it years ago because she was in a really bad place and they denied her. Said to “deal with it”. She’s got a good heart but there are so many unresolved issues. She was obsessed with helping others but was hurting herself

[Shamalien]

. I wish I hadn’t burned the bridge by saying I wouldn’t ever take her back but honestly you don’t know what she put me through. Massive love bombing, then complete retraction, followed by hyper sexuality and massive love bombing, repeat the cycle. It fucked me up. And telling me she loved me for the first time as she broke up with me…what in the fuck is that. It’s like she wanted to mess with my head. Ofc she didn’t I’m sure, but idk…some people do things unconsciously when they have trauma. In any case, I made an executive decision that day that for my own well being I must go my own way for good and I cannot say I was wrong, despite the pain in my heart

[AmandaYVR]

@Shamalien She sounds very young, like she's still very embedded with her family. That's a bit weird that her parents guilted her over not spending enough time with them/her sister. She lives with them, right, presumably? She probably sees them plenty.

That's too bad her family was on inept to deal with her needing some help/therapy. It's culturally not acceptable to some, still. Yet the parents offer almost nothing as actual help.

I'm sorry the first time you heard she loved you was when she was breaking up with you. Yes, that's awful. (Did she have trouble expressing her feelings, generally?)

I think you need someone older and more mature. It's nice to try to help the wounded bird types, but you do also have to think of yourself, and I imagine you need someone more your intellectual equal. As well as someone also dedicated to and working on their development and emotional maturity.

[Rat_Boy]

Fight in the sense that he should make time to see her. But chase her while she's playing hard to get? Fuck all that. Anyone who intentionally makes it difficult is not someone you need in your life.

[rienna888]

Yes because although unfair, the girl isn’t gonna do it. And then the love will fall apart. I hate it how people expect men to chase and is it true that if the women chases, the man loses interests?

[kevypatyy7]

𝚈𝚘𝚞 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚔 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚖𝚎. 𝙸 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚏𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗 𝚑𝚒𝚖

[Billlewis]

Do you think a guy should fight for you if he's serious about you?

[TheSpaceGnome]

Nope, if she isn't sure who she wants, or doesn't care who she gets, or is so full of herself that she thinks she is a prize, I'm not interested.

[CubsterShura]

I always fight for what's right whether or not I personally like or hate anyone. It's not personal.

[CubsterShura]

Just want to clarify, what I think is right may not be what is right to someone else. I fight for what is believe is right regardless.

[BrightBubblyKat]

Yes, up to a point. But if she says no, then try two more times. Then give up. If she’s keen, she’ll let you know generally.

[JSmuve]

Try two more times? Whatever happen to "no means no"?

[BrightBubblyKat]

@JSmuve I’m learning now that to many, ‘no means I’m not sure yet.’ Except in sex.

[Anemone978]

Well at the least show that she matters and you actually want her in your life...

[Nikki1989]

You get out of life what you put into it. 🤷‍♀️

[petitedollbabee]

Not in the literal sense, no. I don’t believe that violence is the answer.

[Still-alive]

its not? damn. i though it was. *sheaths sword*

[Fireguy17]

Nope, I'm not into playing games.
She either wants to be with me or she doesn't.
If it is the latter, I just move on.

[sheenagwapa]

life is short. fight for what you feel. tomorrow is not promised

[jshm2]

No girl is that great, kiddo. But you should never give up on something you want.

[JSmuve]

Context matters. If a girl doesn't want you to fight for her, doing so will likely just put her off even more.

[kinggeorge007]

No, the answer is no. FFS No. If she's not into me, I'm done with her. I'm done fighting. Never ends with a good deed. Don't ever do that.

[goaded]

Fight whom? Her? A rival? I disagree. If she chooses wrongly, that's her problem.

[red324]

All this does is waste my time. They don't ever like me. It's always the same with every girl. I go on two dates then they get flaky with me

[Redstang88]

Never made a difference for me whether I do or don’t

[KrakenAttackin]

Oh hell no! There is no future in getting killed or going to prison for some female.

[Fuentes]

All the girls here got it fucked up thinking we gonna fight for them they out they damn MINDS hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

[KrakenAttackin]

@Fuentes No kidding. I have seen articles where women start shit with a random guy on a subway or in a bar. The rando ends up kicking her ass and she later screams the "no men helped me"!!!

Get used to it ladies, we don't owe you jack shit.

[Fuentes]

Equal rights = equals fights too lol don't fight men if you ain't built like that hahaha it ain't on us to save you straight up tripping hahaha

[LiamJHayden]

Disagree. I ask her out. If she declines or plays games, I move on.

[Cheerfull009]

Yes, you must fight for your girl to protect her, even animals fight for their female partner

[exitseven]

Yes, and to the victor go the spoils.

[JosyJosy]

Time wasted if you have to Fight for it.

[Date_a_Snob]

violence is never the answer

[nudetru]

na bro stop hitting bitches

[Fuentes]

Nah not doing that I fight for the money

[EaterPeter]

With whom, how many and for how long?

[JamesRandiDebates]

No bitch is worth the hassle.

[Anonymous]

Never chase a female. They will lose interest

[SlothySlob]

Define like.

[Tomisworthless]

Disagree

[TheAfrikan]

He should