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There have never been laws written against being a white, cis, straight, and a monogamous male. They really have never ever faced discrimination on a systemic level. Seeing them cry is laughable.
MRM is literally no different than modern feminism. They are two sides to the same sexist, hate driven coin.
The only difference is that one is the result of the other, and if it disappeared, so would the other.
No not really, just the extremist sects.
@Subarugirl Not really what?
You said that feminism and MRM are both sexist and hate driven, they aren't, there are extremist sects that are, but those are different.
Thats like saying that Christians are just a bunch of pedophiles and polygamists.. there are extremists everywere
I think the problems they're trying to address are very real. I don't think attacking feminism will fix them though.
No movement necessary. Just stop getting married. Problem solved. I say the same thing to men who bitch about getting raked over the coals time after time in divorce court that people say to men with five kids:
You haven't figured out what causes that yet?
I don't know why so many feminists complain about the men's rights movement when it's just men trying to do the same thing for males that feminists are trying to accomplish for females. Can someone help me understand that?
They don't have an issue with tackling social and gender inequalities, they take issue with the male/female supremacy extremist sects.
@Subarugirl Who are "they" in your response here?
Because feminism is not about equal rights for women it is about special treatment for women and control of men.
@DarkLegacy no what you are describing is female supremacy, not feminism, big difference.
@Subarugirl You can't point at feminists who do bad things in the name of feminism and dismiss it by saying that's not feminism. Feminism is as feminism does.
Yeah, I can because the definition of feminism is very clear.
The same way I can point at Christians who do bad things in the name of Christianity and know that it's not.
The same way I can point out something that claims to one thing but obviously is not.
@Subarugirl The same way I can point out something that claims to one thing but obviously is not. <--- right, like feminism.
Quite right there, if feminists do things in the name of feminism then feminism is to blame.
@Subarugirl Female supremacy is caused by feminism, that is what feminism is about. Like I've been saying
@DarkLegacy Exept then by definition it's not feminism...
@Subarugirl Right, feminism is only feminism when it does something good. Lol
Feminism is as feminism does.
@Subarugirl They call themselves feminists and are part of feminist organisations.
If it doesn’t fit into the definition of what feminism is than it’s not feminism. Can’t take a dog and call it a cat just because it has a tail.
@DarkLegacy and calling your self a king doesn’t make you royalty.
@Subarugirl Dogs and cats are different species, whereas feminism is an ideology, and the behaviors that result from it, so your comparison is silly.
You can't dismiss all the bad behavior from modern feminists who do what they do in the name of feminism and as a direct consequence of current feminist ideology. You can't accept only the good side of feminism and deny its bad side. That is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty, and it's the biggest reason feminism has become such a joke. Zero accountability for bad behavior and no willingness from within the feminist culture to take ownership for, acknowledge and call out bad feminism for what it is. It's bad feminism, but it's still feminism. It's the reality of what feminism has become.
Feminism is as feminism does, and the reason feminism gets no respect today is because of what it has been doing over the last decade or more, which has had nothing to do with the dictionary definition. Feminism today bears no resemblance to original feminism, but it's still feminism. Just like the Democrat party today bears no resemblance to the Democrat party of the past, which you should know was the party of racism if you know your history. We judge the Democrat party of today, as we should, even though it has changed drastically over time. The same is true of feminism... what it IS today is very different, and it should be judged as it is, because feminism is as feminism does.
@Subarugirl What are you on about, you just babbling now. What do you mean, cats and dogs. And i don't call myself a King. You are making no sense.
@DarkLegacy the point still stands, if it doesn't fit the definition, it is not.
@Subarugirl Feminism has changed drastically, and obviously its definition has as well. Feminism is what it is today.
I mean the definition really hasn't changed all that much.
Feminism is defined as "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes"
Notice how it is based on the equality of the sexes not superiority. By definition, if its not about the equality of the sexes then it's not feminism.
@Subarugirl That definition is irrelevant now because feminism is very different than it was when that definition was actually relevant. There is good feminism and there is bad feminism, and you don't get to pretend the bad part isn't feminism. That's a childish argument.
It is still relevant if it doesn't fit the definition. You can call red blue but that doesn't change the reality.
@Subarugirl Today's feminism is what it is today, both the good and the bad. Have a little honesty.
I think the grievances they put forward are generally valid. The issues they are fighting are real.
How they are fighting them is a separate question and I don't know enough to comment on that.
Family court grievances is the only problem they legitimately should be focusing on and they are right about, but constantly complaining poor men crying shouldn't be one.
I think there are many more legitimate grievances than that. And I haven't seen constantly complaining poor men crying.
Of course, you need to remember that besides fighting wars, keeping everything running, inventing new stuff, paying for everything, and making money, men have no value according to women - except maybe fertilizing women's eggs.
What woman goes around and if any (extremely small amount) say men have zero vaule in society?
This is not about what women say - it is about how they act and how courts treat men.
What exactly do you mean about how they are treated in court?
Have you ever been in Family Law Court as a litigant or attorney?
No. I'm asking you how men are treated that you claim must be bad or unjust compared to women?
What exactly are you getting at is what I'm asking?
I am getting at the simple uncontroverted fact that men are treated unequally and poorly in Family law courts and in general. Is that clear enough?
If talking parental rights most men are denied to their kids though he doesn't possess a threat to the child, alimony and unfair child support payments then yes that needs to seriously be fixed ASAP in this country.
I can definitely support such protest and movement rights for men and fathers.
The constant bitching and moaning about the other stuff and seeing or encouraging men to see themselves as the poor little weak punk is what I won't stand behind.
ok good that you understand about the legal problems. There is a lot more than that (unequal sentences for the same crimes for example) but enough for now.
Crimes though one may commit the same exact crime as the other person, may receive a longer prison sentence because of previous criminal background is taking into consideration if you are a repeat criminal offender vs someone who doesn't have a criminal record in the courts already.
That can happen. I am speaking of people who do not have significant criminal histories.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy. How many videos have you seen with women saying "men ain't shit"? I have seen hundreds of these.
@KrakenAttackin: Those typically are bitter women that had bad relationship experiences talking ish.
No different than the "red pill" guys on YouTube.
that is the "no true Scotsman" fallacy:
en.wikipedia.org/.../No_true_Scotsman
Yeah, most of these guys are paid protesters anyway. They probably figure they’re gonna get yelled at by feminists anyway so they might as well be out doing something instead of playing video games all day.
It’s no different from modern day feminism 🤷♀️
MRM toke the red pill, they right that men have a hard time in a modern feminist societies.
Women barely have any power or positions of high influence or authority.
Men by far have all the positions of authority and high influence.
Aside from parental grievances in family court, all these guys do is see themselves as poor victims, "its not my fault, it's everybody's fault but me"
This is the equivalent movemento to feminism. It has some good points like feminism has some good points too.
You forgot to add an update about how you don't know how this ended up in the sexuality category. Please add that and say something remotely believable.
We need more like it. At the moment men are losing their rights and facing more and more discrimination because of feminism.
What rights? Men have nearly all positions of power and authority.
It only seems that way, there is more to it then men being the leaders of nations.
I do no fully know this movement nor whats behind them. But I do wonder, what are men allowed to complain about if anything?
Are we just all supposed to be perfect creatures?
There are extremist sects of the MRA movement, but over all it's tackling social and gender inequities like the widespread genital mutilation of male infants, the homelessness crisis, mental health and suicide epidemic.
Men are issues that are not really cared by society (like the fact they commit suicide more often).
If it helps - good.
Who is forcing them or anyone for that matter to kill themselves?
It's the excuses upon excuses and having the woe is me mentality that is destroying these dudes.
Comparing men to women is like comparing a baseball to an egg.
Men are stronger than women that's why society doesn't care about men welfare much.
"Men are stronger than women"
What has strength to do with suicide?
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy bro, you clearly have not faced many of life's serious challenges. As you get older, have a family, career, you will see just how much is expected of men and how little support men get to provide it.
@KrakenAttackin: I have been in bad situations. I suffered from severe anxiety for about 3 to 4 years.
I have been in the negative bank account of $13, $15, $30 plus while jobless.
Living in my grandma house looking like a bum not working and not being productive at all for years til my auntie came and visited once and told me it's time to get out of the house and get my own place.
I slowly began to built myself up and now I'm in a better place.
If I just stayed there continuing to feel sorry for myself today I wouldn't have my own place nor driving my dream car that I now have.
It's in all of us to have the strength to push forward, but if we see ourselves as victims, finger pointing and feeling sorry for ourselves and not taking personal responsibility then that 100% guarantees that life will keep you down and miserable.
They're campaigning for things like paternal leave, equitable custody laws, fairer divorce settlements, you ignorant twatwaffle, bitching about something you know nothing about.
Watch this and make up your own mind about it;
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Q7MkSpJk5tMI saw that video. It was the motivation of this question.
For the exception of family court which they are right, all they do is whine and moan.
Paul is actually a pretty cool guy, not one of those
"all women are evil" types.
Lazy men. Do you know how much effort it takes to lift oil from earth?
Too much identity politics. It begins with the left-wing Marxists, then right-wing identity politics emerges as a reaction.