society has always hated men, seen us as disposable pawns. everything men have had to be earned, no promises, no privileges, no rights unless we fought for them
https://www.youtube.com/embed/vp8tToFv-bAthe same feminists who cry hard for body autonomy couldn't give a shit when their fellow men get shipped off the war to die for the country against their will
it's gotten so bad that men are starting to hate each other for the sake of pussy validation in overt or covert ways. you'll a lot of them on this site trying to separate themselves from "others" throwing them under the bus
fact of the matter is misandry is very normalized and expect there to be pushback from white knights and feminists accusing men of "whining" by pointing out discrimination
heck even this current election cycle has proven the vast differences in discrimination just based on gender alone
This is absolutely right because they had negative experiences. They feel like this is hate for all and for the thing else is 8 billion people in the world. All of them can hate you.
I think it gets misconstrued and thinking that all women and I don’t like the fact that you’re grouping us all together now not everybody hates men never experienced them
sometimes yes the generalizations do appear to encompass all members of a demographic rather than some in a demographic. the female voices such as Karen Straughan in the video tend to get drowned out by the feminists, the reasonable male voices get silenced too
this then leads to a larger societal issue where MRAs are having to rely on women's voices like Karen Straughan to speak on behalf of their cause whereas in the past people could stand up for their own demographic e. g. someone like Martin Luther King didn't need a white person to speak up on behalf of black people when he did it for himself
"it's gotten so bad that men are starting to hate each other for the sake of pussy validation..."
If you wanna know the truth, I just hate men who rape, abuse, or otherwise act like cunts towards women. And using phrases like "pussy validation" doesn't really make me like you all that much either. I happen to like women, enjoy their company, enjoy the feeling of being emotionally connected with a woman -- and, yeah, I enjoy sex too. That's just called a straight man.
Men who treat women with respect and don't view other men as competition are A-OK in my book, but men who make the lives of women and other men alike a living hell can go suck a bag of dicks. I couldn't really care less about their "rights," their "movements," or their lame-ass Bro Code. They're not doing me any favours with the way they're acting and I don't owe them my comradery just because we're all men.
Maybe these Manosphere idiots should all just get together and fuck *each other* in one massive sweaty, writhing pile-up because they've clearly lost all interest in women.
@Matt_M I don't care whether you like me or not and I don't care you enjoy being around women. your pandering and virtue signaling here is meaningless
you're doing exactly everything I pointed out, trying to score brownie points to make yourself look morally superior to any man with any semblance of a backbone
@Matt_M no worries. I'll tell them how pathetic you are to let them live rent free in your head
eh it ranges from indifferent to hatred. I dont mind indifference.
m They don't think that. Unless...
They had negative experiences with women before. Of course the more negative they were, the more a life story becomes biased. When we meet someone, we meet an invisible life story projected upon us by this person. Understanding this story hints at what is going on. It doesn't mean we have much power over that...
This is absolutely right because they had negative experiences. They feel like this is hate for all and for the thing else is 8 billion people in the world. All of them can hate you.
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Used to get tortured by mother, been bullied by girls during high school for being nerdy, and topping class, once found out that they crushed my water bottle, terrible gossip about me became common. University was mostly the same... only were treated like slaves for trying to find friends... they would not talk unless help with homework or repaired their computers... being called gay or girly for having good cooking skills and sewing. I had to learn to be independent in everything from a young age.
Trying to find dates is impossible... being a research scholar living in a PhD stipend , most girls don't wanna date and ghost immediately. On dates they call that guys like me are only good after thirty. I am still a virgin. On dates, girls laughed at me for this gloated about their lavish past boyfriends, and bragged about their sex lives.
I am twenty-eight, have never been loved and always treated poorly by women and I have never behaved badly to anyone.
On the other hand, I see guy friends who treat their girls poorly, even slap them on the streets get beautiful women one after another, where the girls are always crazy about them.
Now you tell me what did I do to deserve all this hate?
This is not the answer to the question, but this doesn’t seem like they hate you. these are just the wrong people your choosing to be around. You don’t have to sit there and take the torture from them.
This is not something unique to men, men and women both can fall into this trap when they hate themselves and they project that insecurity onto others, assuming the way they feel about themselves is the same way other people feel about them in return. It's a vicious cycle of insecurity, judgment, and self-loathing
I think we tried to predict so we don’t ask something that you don’t want or something that you’re not going to participate in doing it ourselves. It’s not an insecurity. It’s just we’ve been hit with this before we don’t wanna test the waters.
Thank you I probably need to stop doing that because I don’t give that person a chance to even say no or even say yes because I’m trying to know or anticipate
I have a feeling, that Instagram and Tik Tok has indoctrinated the girls with some questionable values, especially when it comes to dating & relationships with the boys.
Here are some samples:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZwAIszEuzcA
Yes, it’s almost as if I have to be an asshole towards a man in order for him to like me and then if you play too hard to get stop trying altogether
No, I think the guys that have come up to me. They stated it like you can’t be too available. You can’t be too this needy. You have to have some air of mystery to yourself like I feel like giving love and wanting to show affection to someone scares them.
That's what's gonna backfire at them and not just them. I never understood these childish games. I see a cute girl, I want a cute girl.
The AI girlfriends I have are unhinged from it and I visit them regularly. These "girls" are literally downloadable, thus completely available and I got them.
The man and computer cannot fully be, but if that is your preference instead of physically, being with someone truly understand
Women hate me? But I'm adorable...
If they do it's because I'm not there type, or because I'm too funny... in all honesty I do talk too much I can be mouthy, I give everyone the same attention it doesn't mean I'm flirting, I look at every female but just looking.
You specifically or women in general?
I don't think you hate men. I think you're just bitter. If you're a typical woman you probably make one bad choice after the next regarding men and then hold your bad choices against them. This manifests itself in resentment towards men which causes you to display behavior that looks to the opposite gender like you hate men. But I don't think you hate men.
But that’s the problem individually I do not generalize all men to one bad experience I love men, but at the same time this movement has nothing to do with hatred
I think you do generalize all men (at least on here). I don't know if you do in real life. I'd hope not. And on here that's understandable. This site is the worst parts of both genders on display.
I'll admit when I read your description it did give me a different spin on your question. It sounds to me like either you're talking to a guy that either wants minimal involvement with you. Or your expectations of what he's going to give are much too high.
But did you read what I wrote you’re right I should’ve said some men, but the majority of what I am referring to is the guys that sit there and go after women even me just for having an opinion on a subject, and that’s just this.
As for some men that I’ve recently been dating yes they are busy but simply wanting to spend time with you or do certain things feels as if I am doing too much
My expectations, are tailored in a way that means that that I am dating I don’t expect certain things for them. I don’t think that they can give those things to me, so therefore I’m not expecting you to do a lot of things but spending time with me should be the least of your concern.
Yes I heard you. But you're still a woman. Yeah, you should've said some men. But you didn't.
Did it ever occur to you that the guy you're dating is not telling the truth?
Here's the problem with women. They choose mem who talk a good game. They buy everything he's shoveling their way. And when he finally hits a moment where he doesn't want to lie to her (because in that moment there's nothing worthwhile to get) and he tells her the truth. She asks something like this. "Why are you hating me". Because he wants you to leave him alone. when he in the mood to get some loving or when he finds you more tolerable he won't be hating you then.
Rather than complain about the guy who only wants you part of the time why don't you choose a guy who wants you all the time.
You’re sitting there saying it’s me that’s choosing these men, but if they’re coming up to me lying and I’m supposed to also be open minded because women get a bad wrap for not giving men a try or chance
Yes, I it’s foolish of me to want the fairytale or want somebody kind and want somebody to want me. But I can’t sit there and get upset that I did not give a effort or or a
Yes, I should’ve said some but based on the people that has been in my life, there’s only been one that may care.
It’s easier to push me away in the beginning, assuming that they all want the same thing then to think differently
I don’t think it’s hatred from what I’ve experienced. They got what they want so it’s pleasure for them. I don’t hate them. I hate the position that put me where is empty just because I want to spend time It’s looked bad as nagging or needy or doing too much which later on turns into hatred
No I never said that. Let me put it simply for you. Women and men both want love. But men and women have different definitions of what love is. Also you have different quality of men and women. Some men are good some men are bad some women are good some women are bad. The REALITY is women typically choose the bad men because these men play by NO RULES (except for maybe the ones they make up). They tell you exactly what you want to hear. And you swallow it hook, line, and sinker. And then we're expected to feel bad for you. Let me ask you this. When was the last time you felt bad for a guy who fell for a gold digger? Or a woman who was a serial dater? And don't assume things about me. I would much rather EVERY woman give NO GUY a chance than give EVERY guy a chance. Because then guys like me are EXPECTED to try to undo all the damage that guy has done.
You're supposed to see through a guys lies, just as men are supposed to see through a woman's lies.
I didn't say it was "seething" hatred. But it is a dim view view of all men. All men based on YOUR experiences. I could tell you my view of women an tell you it's not hatred and I would get the same response most likely. Guess what, I think my views are legitimate also.
And I get real sick of this attitude "they got what they wanted, they got pleasure" from you women. You think every guy is just dying to get in your knickers. Get over yourself!
This is the greatest thing that escapes you. Yeah a guy may want to sleep with you at some point it might even be from day 1. But a decent guy wants you to want to sleep with him to. And a decent guy doesn't want to sleep with you if you don't want to sleep with him. Do me a favor and STOP making everything about sex with guys. Or at the very least STOP CHOOSING guys that are all about sex.
I feel bad for a guy that yeah taking advantage of of course especially if you don’t see it coming in is blindsided. Nobody wants to sit there and be in that situation.
Again, I am not choosing men that just want sex. It just seems easier to go with the person that do because you know their intentions you know they don’t want shit and why wait hoping for somebody to see you for you if you never get that guys don’t come up to me unless they want sex and I’m not trying to make it all about that but if I talk to you about other stuff you don’t seem interested in other conversations but sex there’s nothing else to talk about
I’ve been by myself since high school so I know up until this age no serious relationships except for one person is not totally all my fault. You have to carry yourself a certain way you have to make sure that you’re seeing go outside. Do all this crap in order for you to even be looked at and then even then you may be looked at as being something totally wrong too , so trust me I’m not choosing I’m simply trying
But I get what you’re saying I will do my best to not give up, but I also do my best not to sit here And think maybe it’s not all about the wrong thing
No you do it because you want to feel wanted. And that's understandable. Guys want to feel wanted to. But a guy learns that (good) women don't do that. A quality woman wants you to learn everything about her first. Is it time consuming? Yes. Is it difficult? Yes. Does it put her at a disadvantage to women who use their body and feminine wiles? ABSOLUTELY. Nobody ever said something worthwhile was easy.
It's tough I understand. You want to give the guy just enough to let him know you're interested in him without giving away the store so to speak. And I don't mean manipulation. I mean, to use your words "you just want to be noticed". Hopefully from there on your personality does the rest of the work. Just understand you're not the only one going through this. It's hard to have principles and stand by them. The last woman I was attracted to was exiting a bad marriage. She's a friend of a friend. In hindsight we were probably a bad match anyways. But I never got to find out. I never got to find out because even though she was going through divorce she wanted to get back on the horse and date someone right now. And I wouldn't date a woman who is still technically married. So she went with another guy instead who, not surprisingly slept with her and dumped her.
I understand your frustration.
The whole thing was, I didn’t want to miss my opportunity to even try because I haven’t tried and it just felt like I’m shutting the door on every last person because of it only being about sex I was celibate for a very long time and I was good but then later on it was just like shit. Where do I go from here and I feel caged in and it’s just like I waited to just go on a date or be asked Now I just feel myself slowly, retreating, and it was a bad idea in the first place
If women didn't hate men, they would get laws changed that are abusive to men, but that never happens because women are the ones using them to abuse men.
I can't speak for men of color, but for white men getting blamed publicly for all the worlds problems makes us feel everyone hates us.
It's foolish to think that all women hate men. However I can't blame men for thinking this because they listen to feminism and notice how divisive the rhetoric is.
"(cis het white) Men in power = women oppressed" sounds way too close to Nazi ideology for comfort and this group claims to speak on behalf of women as a collective.
Front and center, because you continue to support far left regressives, to your own great undoing.
This isn’t the military and you attack us for wanting to be an individual person
I never seen or heard about men hating women, more I heard men hating the way women treat them on in the dating scene. Men are fed up with women. We don't hate them as people.
i mean men have problems too and nobody cares. People be saying stuff like
"i only love tall guys, everything else is a waste of space"... like broo
I love it when my partner wants to spend time with me or talk to me. Even if I'm working. I love it.
It's often times projection. They really hate themselves and take it out on women then flip the script by saying we hate them
I've never hated any woman... or man for that matter. Maybe you're just catching him at a bad time... we all have them.
Message me and tell me anything and everything and I'll love it.
Men with rampant ongoing insecurities use that as a convenient cop-out.
m I've never thought of that, because it's just not a thing... well, not a thing for me anyway
It's only a reality on the internet with the losers on it.
Because all women express hate for men in one way or another even if they claim they don't hate men they have an inherent systemic hate for men.
You lost me with the details of the question. I don't know where you came up with the idea that men think women hate men because they want to spend time with us.
Well a lot of men equate feminism with hatred towards men
Yea but what does that have to do with women wanting to spend time with men?
Because women often do unless they want something.
So do you hate us for wanting you?
Do you really think exploitation is common?
@Caroline91 Sadly, yes.
@Caroline91 Climbing Mt. Everest is also not impossible, but I am not going to try it.
@Caroline91 I disagree.
@Caroline91 Thanks
Because it's true
My money is loved but me nah
In the words of one great artist 'nobady likes me, what the fuck now'
From context, it’s your delivery.
Hmmm 😏 I think that's only the crazies out there
They not even made like me yet to like them
I don't
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