East as much as you want and lose weight? Can that work?

[Anonymous]

So I've been looking to lose some weight and get better skin and one of the things I came across is a raw vegan diet.

Basically you eat only fruits and vegetables and loads of it. The people I saw on YouTube and instagram all say you can eat as much as you like but at least 2500 cals (for women ). Now can that actually work to lose fat?
I mean some of the common meal you see there are a banana smoothie with coconut water, 7 bananas and some dates, easily coming in at 1000 calories

The people that do advocate it for sure have the results to show for it.
I mean that girl had a baby 12 days before that picture was taken
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And she looks great otherwise too
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OR those two
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I'm just a bit worried about the unlimited calorie thing. I don't want to gain weight, so is there any way at all that could work?

[BlackAthlete]

Garbage diet, from trash information. You wanna loose weight? You wanna be healthy? Then start doing it. Quit it with all these fad diets, you can never sustain a healthy lifestyle from fad diets. Eating fruits and veggies everyday, you will not loose weight, because 1) you won't even be able to stick to the diet, don't lie to yourself. 2) its loaded with sugar. All you have to do to be healthy is 1) get rid of soda, stop drinking fruit juices, its loaded with sugar and shit. Drink water, and water only. Its not going to happen over night, if you addicted to soda, start drinking juice drinks here and there and gradually go off the soda. Now once your on the juice drinks, gradually start drinking powerade/gatorade and gradually incorporate than as your got to drink. Then once you get use to that, start drinking vitamin water, then incorporate that into being your main drink, then finally start drinking water and finally that will be your main drink and you can drink that all day everyday and never want anything else again.

As for food, Meats: eat turkey, fish and chicken. Fuck everything else. Now beef, pork, none of that. Eat Oatmeal, beans, pasta here and there. Fruits here and there. Its ont rocket science, just have a balanced diet and don't eat a lot of shit. No junk food. If you want cheat food, instead of getting a snickers bar, get pillsburry chocolate chip cookies the one you put in the oven and bake and let that be your cheat food.

Now the key to loosing weight is getting on the damn treadmill. Get your cardio up. Once you do that, start jogging 2 miles on the treadmill. Do that 3 times during the week. Fat will drop.

[Asker]

I do drink water only. And I work out everyday. Why would you assume I drink so much soda and have never done cardio?
And well I tried having a raw breakfast the past few weeks and it worked pretty well. I know all the standard diet advice, I was hoping to try something new. But thanks anyways

[BlackAthlete]

So your claiming you workout everyday and don't loose weight?

[Asker]

yes...

[BlackAthlete]

its because your lazy. Do you put in work at the gym? or are you just going through the motions? I don't even know why I even asked that question because i already know the answer. You ain't putting in any work. When you come off that treadmill you should be drenched in a sweat, if not, your not working dawg.

[arielle_cerise]

You don't have to exercise to lose weight. It's thermodynamics. Eat less, weigh less. Simple.

[BlackAthlete]

Look at my username, you know who you talking to right? An athlete. And you sound lazy. Thermodynamics my ass, get out there and work. You can eat cheeseburgers and still loose weight if you work hard. You just sound like your typical lazy excuses to me. But don't worry i heard every excuse in the book.

[Amagi82]

Your advice is mostly right. A few issues:
1) Nothing is wrong with beef and pork.
2) Oatmeal is terrible, and the high phytic acid content is one of the primary causes of tooth decay
3) Beans and pasta aren't good either. Low nutritional density and high carbohydrate content
4) Chocolate chip cookies are a terrible idea for cheat food. A better one would be dark chocolate (minimum 70%)
5) The key to losing weight is definitely not exercise. It's your dietary choices. Exercise is good for you, but you're fooling yourself if you think it's making a big difference losing weight. Yes, you burn calories, but you will eat the difference.

[BlackAthlete]

Yea i mean loosing weight is just working your ass off and not eating shit. Its not rocket science. I like to keep things simple and not make loosing weight sound like this complex mathematical task.

[Zango91]

@arielle_cerise It doesn't work that way buddy. If you don't provide enough calories, your body goes into "starvation" mode, which decreases metabolism. Hence Body will used little energy and store most of the food as fat.

[arielle_cerise]

@Zango91 Yeah, because when I was anorexic, I wasn't losing weight at all!

[Zango91]

@arielle_cerise LOL.

[arielle_cerise]

@Zango91, I do understand what you're saying but starvation mode is a myth and besides, I never once told her to starve herself.

[Zango91]

@arielle_cerise Believe me, It's not a myth. It's basic physiology. It's not about eating too much or too low. It's about eating healthy. The loss of weight from eating less is not from loss of fat. It's from muscle atrophy. Most of the veggie diets lack proteins so the body dissolves our own muscles to provide the essential amino acids.

[arielle_cerise]

Yeah, I see vegan bodybuilders, that's BS.

[Asker]

To answer your question. I'm on the rowing team and I need to drop about 5lbs to get to the lightweight category. So I don't really go to the gym, I just row

And while you in theory eat junk and still lose weight that'd be ridiculous in reality. I burn maybe a little over 1000 calories per session. Twice that on the weekend. I'd have to do much more work to cope with eating junk all day

As I was saying before I know all the standard advice, I was looking for something new. Thanks for not being helpful but judgmental instead

[Amagi82]

Sugar (in all its forms) is the biggest offender. Grains and starches are also low on the nutrition and high on the simple carbohydrate, which your body turns to sugar.

If you avoid eating things with excessive carbohydrate, your body won't crank up your insulin levels and store your calories as fat.

I cut out grains and sugar last year and lost 40lbs with very little effort, with even less exercise than I was getting before. Came off at a little over 2lbs a week. I ate as much as I wanted. Tons of meat, cheese and vegetables. Your body won't ask you to eat too much if you're eating the right foods.

If you insist on doing the vegan thing, go heavy on the vegetables and lighter on the fruits, ESPECIALLY fruits in liquid form. I'd encourage you to have some form of meat, like fish or chicken, but it's up to you. Avocado and coconut are your best friends. Oils like avocado and olive oils are a great call too. Fat in your diet is a very good thing. It makes you feel full much faster, and it doesn't spike your insulin.

[Asker]

Well I'm not only looking to lose weight but also to be healthy. So, no not much meat.
At the moment I'm not vegetarian or anything, but I know too much meat isn't good and I'm also not too crazy about the idea of eating dead animals. It kinda freaks me out. Ever since "earthlings"? Since I'm having trouble eating a lot of meat.

Well most of what we eat is converted to sugar in our body anyways. Fats and protein just get converted to amino/fatty acids first, so why would sources of natural sugar be bad?

[Amagi82]

There's very little evidence that meat is unhealthy in any way, provided you're eating decent quality meat. The main bad thing about meat is it's environmentally taxing to produce. I eat a lot of it because my body does very poorly without it, and because it's good for you.

Natural sugar is bad because the high glycemic index spikes your insulin levels to avoid what would otherwise be toxic levels in your blood, and when your insulin is high, your body stores calories as fat, and cannot access those nutrients until your insulin levels return to normal. The wikipedia page on insulin covers this pretty well.

And your body does not convert fat into sugar. It *can* convert protein into sugar, but this happens slowly. Eating a whole fruit is not as bad as drinking fruit juice or eating sugar for two primary reasons: one, you could drink 5 oranges worth of sugary juice pretty easily, but you wouldn't eat 5 oranges in one sitting. and two, the fiber in fruit helps to slow absorption.

[arielle_cerise]

I was a raw vegan for a while. (2 years).
If you eat at a surplus, yes you will gain weight.
However, it's really hard to consistently eat high calories on a fully raw diet (80/10/10). I mean after you eat watermelon for a week and cashews you get very sick of it.

Prepare to spend money and effort on preparing and eating. The health benefits are so great, by the way. Almost euphoric senses of energy and concentration at times. But it's very hard to keep up.

Do not jump the boat from an omnivore straight to raw veganism. Your body will be in shock. Why don't you try being a vegan for a while if you're interested in eating that way?
Above all, you will lose weight on any diet if you eat the right number of calories, below your energy output. So it's not a must.

[Asker]

Ya I know it's gonna be expensive but I think it might be worth it. I usually buy a lot of discounted stuff and stores here always have 5 or 6 fruits and veggies for something like 70 cents per unit and rotate by week so I think I'll eat a lot.

So you recommendation would be to eat raw vegan but restrict calories?
Why did you quit btw?

I eat mostly vegetarian. I think the biggest problem would be giving up eggs and yoghurt and I don't think it makes much of a difference for me to go vegan or raw vegan there

[arielle_cerise]

No. If you're raw vegan, eat as much as you want. I think Frealea herself said she had some early gain as her metabolic damage was reversed (of course, that might just be bunk science and I personally think she has an eating disorder). Your body on such a pure diet does sort itself out, honestly.
I quit because it was getting too boring for me, I usually eat raw vegan until dinnertime (which is also what frealea does, but don't expect to lose a lot of weight with that).

Okay, if dairy isn't a big part of your diet then absolutely give it a shot. As I said though, raw til 4 is a good introduction to the lifestyle because at the start you'll really want a hot meal (it does get better, though!) Good luck!

[Asker]

But well I am looking to lose weight and before you said if I eat a surplus I'll gain weight. So I'm a bit confused about what you're saying now.
Do count calories or don't count calories?

[arielle_cerise]

Sorry! What I'm saying is yes, you'll likely lose weight without counting calories as a raw vegan.

[Random_chick_2384]

No that doesn't work being vegan. Being a vegan is basically starving yourself. Try paleo it's no dairy and no wheat or grain or gluten. Then u eat fruits, meant, veggies. But no high processes food. Google it if ur not sure. My mom did this diet and she lost a ton of weight and my cousin did it too he works out so he has a lot of muscle and his skin is clear now.

[Asker]

raw vegan is a kind of paleo diet

[arielle_cerise]

Being a vegan is not starving yourself.

[Random_chick_2384]

It's not as healthy as being paleo. And it is kind of but u need meat. So paleo is better.

[Asker]

You don't need meat plenty of our cavemen ancestors were vegetarians.

I hate the whole paleo idea anyways. Every single food you're eating is an agricultural development. Pretending it's not is just stupid. Nothing you could eat would in anyway resemble what people ate then

[Amagi82]

Paleo is absolutely one of the healthiest diets out there. I lost 40lbs, my gf lost 50, my wife lost 15, and we're all much healthier than we were.

I do agree that it's environmentally unsustainable, however. The human population is far too high for us all to do it.

[Random_chick_2384]

Cavemen ate meat.

[Random_chick_2384]

And you do need meat there is a ton of stuff in it u can't get from veggies or fruits.

[Asker]

some of them. Others didn't. Depends on the region of the world where they did

And the meat we eat today has nothing to do with what they eat

[Random_chick_2384]

My meat does. I live on a farm. And u can order meat from fresher places. Like from the slaughter house. And u can also hunt. But we couldn't have the excat thing they had bc we don't know and the world has changed but we can get close to it.

[Asker]

well you can hunt, fair enough, but that's not really my thing.
Other than that unless it's an organic, grad grass fed farm they pump their animals with antibiotics and growth hormones and feed it GMO corn. The supermarket doesn't really do anything to make it worse aside from maybe chlorinating it.

We can't get that close to it. We raised animals to be more fatty and meaty. Otherwise they would have much more lean. Forget about bacon, wild animals don't store much fat, because they eat what they're supposed to and they aren't confided to the space the size of a book. Also they absorb all kinds of toxins that we feed them or just in the environment and can't process them so we just eat them with their meat. Like fish these days is loaded with mercury, which is the most toxic non radioactive material we know. So if you eat a lot of fish you'll eat a lot mercury.
And the same is true for plants, just not as bad

[Random_chick_2384]

That is true they do. But u could always try a farmers market.

[Vic10205]

Just make sure that you are exercising enough to counterbalance all the calories you are going to be gaining. Olympians eat a ton of food. Why? Because they exercise and workout all day and need to eat a lot in order to have sufficient nutrients to support the amount of calories they are burning otherwise their muscles would deteriorate because of a lack of nutrients
long story short manage how many calories you take in and how many calories you burn. If you want to burn fat then cardio is the best way to go along with a nutrient rich diet such as a vegan diet but vegetables and fruits don't have enough nutrients mostly sugar and water which is why you need to eat a lot of it but a regular vegan diet u might lose weight and become skinny but not necessarily fit.

[sexyasianboi26]

Your body WILL convert any extra calories that you dont need, into fat. I mean look at alcohol, its basically a poison yet your body will somehow convert it into fat.

If you have a back breaking job, you need at least 3000 calories. Professional movers, carpenters, warehouse loaders, farmers, ect..

Coconut meat (not the juice), is one of the foods that I like to call negative calories. They are fat burners and have substances that are similar to nicotine which will force your body to release energy. Unlike tobacco or caffeine, the coconut meat won't give you a crash.

[Jaymm]

no you can't eat as much as you want. there are a TON of calories in fruit, because fruit is full of sugar. The only way you lose weight is if you are burning off more calories in a day than you take in in a day, if your still eating more calories than you burning you won't lose weight. And it's easy to eat to many calories from fruit

[Asker]

So do you believe they're all frauds?

[Jaymm]

well I can't make claims like that but all I know is that you can't eat as much as you want and lose weight. It doesn't work that way. You need to track your calorie intake to lose weight

[kheserthorpe]

If you want to lose weight and feel satiated lean meat is your friend.

Go calculate how much skinless chicken breast or fish a day you need to hit 1200 or 1500 calories. Add fibrous vegetables.

[glazedaddy]

Too much of anything can destroy a physique, doesn't matter if you just eat salad. A good idea would be to go onto a health site (not insta, but more like bodybuilding. com) and look up a nutrition plan or recipes there. Body building is usually tossed aside because people think it's just for meat heads but it is literally just for anyone who wants a change in their body physique.

[Zango91]

Just fruits and vegetables do not provide a balanced diet. It's a sham. It just isn't possible.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, with an infection of tape worm.