How would you explain the slight differences in interpreting circumcision data?

[strateguy632]

i see that in PRACTICE or action, both sides agree "medically not recommend" cutting circumcision but there are still slight differences in details.

reminder pediatrics relates to child health

when people say "fact circumcision has benefits" it is worse than a lie because it is a partial truth that misleads people against the medical recommendation. a benefit is not sufficient! that is a medical calculation by people who know about health. if a doctor "recommends" that is a problem because not really medically recommended! it misleads people that he was saying a "medical recommendation" because... coming from a doctor! but... truly not sufficient to medically recommend.

yet in many countries besides u. s. in australia Canada netherlands and more the medical associations warn not to risk circumcision claiming "no benefits".

health risks warned by people who know health

the difference can't be that americans want health but Europe does not want health, because both want health and still disagree about the questionable benefits. how do you explain this minor difference between the sides?

[incorrected]

Circumcision is a Jewish baby torture thing because someone delusional cult leader got it started and they never stopped with it. Since then it's become an industry, especially in the US. It has zero benefits and makes sex more painful for women, but a bunch of religious noodles cattle herded themselves into a lot of foolish ideas.

[strateguy632]

luckily jesus sent paul to tell people to stop that! at least on those born uncut in book 1 cor, 7.

[matchrestore]

It's a solution in search of a problem. It's so ingrained in American culture that people try to find reasons to justify it, even if the benefit is statistically insignificant or based on flawed studies out of Africa that have little bearing on the US.

[strateguy632]

that would explain it!

[purplepoppy]

I don't get why people remove it for religious reasons. Are they saying God fucked up the design or that they know better?

For the non religious, if it wasn't supposed to be there why hasn't evolution got rid of it? Most guys here in the UK have foreskins and out STD rates are far lower than the USA despite us having a lot more sex.

[strateguy632]

you present a logicly solid catch 22 for creationists! they have a dumb answer not even worth repeating.
luckily some muslims attached your idea to a hint in their quran.
they motivate parents not to "change the perfect work of allah" to protect kids, or else muslims cut from boys and girls.

[Apple1996]

Circumcision has no benefits but some people believe it does because they have been sold lies by the medical industry. They make tons of money off doing the surgery and selling the foreskin afterwards.

At this point tho since we can do our own research and don't have to rely on the doctors to tell us what to do so it is becoming less common. If you do a little research it's very clear that America has high stds rates, high penile cancer rates and also high circumcision rates so that clearly shows its not helping to benefit anyone. And could even be causing these things to increase

[RedInnocent68]

I think you meant to say, sold lies by the Bible. 🤔😉 Although, in the historical context of living in a desert without access to regular bathing, they may have been on to something…

[Apple1996]

@RedInnocent68 foe Muslims and jews yes. Christians have no reason to circumcise their kids since Jesus was the last blood sacrifice

[RedInnocent68]

But still get to hate the fags because Jesus didn’t sacrifice for them… Not against you @Apple1996, just generally frustrated with hypocrites picking and choosing what they choose to follow.

[Apple1996]

@RedInnocent68 yeah I understand. I don't believe I'm any religion anymore but I am educated about a few of them. Mostly just nonsense

[Dr_CEI]

@Apple1996 circumcision has benefits when it is performed for medical reasons as in my case. When I hit puberty my foreskin didn't grow with the rest of me and became painful and caused UTI's so I had no choice but to have it removed. Doing it for religious or other reasons is barbaric and no different to female genital mutilation. The world should learn to love foreskin

[Apple1996]

@Dr_CEI ofc health reasons is different. I'm talking just for babies

[Dr_CEI]

Then it's definitely not OK in my opinion

[Zestyassmf1997]

Literally just wash your penis. I dunno why Americans and Jews couldn’t figure that one out. “Dude, if we don’t chop off part of our dicks then they’ll get dirty.” Just wash it. Greasy ass mfs…

[sage2021]

@Zestyassmf1997
I agree - wash it. But when you guys wash it, make sure you wash it really good, because, to be honest some guys still stink down there even though they say they washed it.

[Zestyassmf1997]

People say all sorts of shit.

[strateguy632]

to zesty superb! and you talk real talk. tnx.

[strateguy632]

@sage2021 the stink refuted the words, get someone who actually washes like european men.

[sage2021]

@Zestyassmf1997
Hey, now don't hold back - just say what's on your mind 😅😂🤣LIKEIE

[Likes2drive]

There’s so many differences in opinion and reasons for it, culture, religion, medical and sometimes aesthetics. As far as I know it’s done because of issues of it getting too tight and also not getting properly cleaned and causing infections or even cancer

[strateguy632]

even if that were true, you can't ignore RISKS, the benefits NOT SUFFICIENT according to pediatric doctors.
doctors who recommend are not giving a medical recommendation which differs, as above.
test each of your ideas on european men who don't cut!
in your order:
1, culture, religion,
Europe lacks those reasons. those 2 are not MEDICAL nor urgent so only for adult who chose but evil to cut unknowing victim.
Even free religion doesn't allow actions if they are immoral such as polygamy or cutting off a good peice.
2, "medical"
wrong even American doctors said no medical justification when baby is healthy.
3, next...

[strateguy632]

next a list of even "8 for" like pros with cons, is INCOMPLETE if it ignores the risks and cons so... people who know health already warned the reasons do not suffice to recommend the LOSS of good foreskin.
non doctors DO recommend to each other, but that is only one column and misleading like the salesman conman.
3, aesthetics, on a baby! only after age 16 can do luxury alterations, not a baby not even age 8! and this loses a peice! not just ear peirce.
4, too tight, finaly a real one, but that is rare and only in RESPONSE to the rare problem, not cut ALL to prevent something rare, that is like if we amputate all breasts we would prevent 100% breast cancer, but we do NOT cut for preventing.
5, not properly cleaned? parents do bathe their baby so no excuse to cut. and european men bathe, so americans can start showering too.
6, causing infections, consider european men foreskin does not CAUSE any infections, the opposite foreskin has gland factories that battle bacteria. LOST if circumcision.
the CAUSE is nurses RETRACTING foreskin of infants too early that CAUSE more urinary tract infections but only in u. s. where they retract!
Not in Europe.
last, "even cancer" those cancers are RARE so we can't cut all to prevent rare stuff , same as we dont cut all breasts to prevent DEADLY breast cancer, we do not cut to prevent.
in summary, a list with many pros and cons, despite many, if you fold the list of cons seems like many pros but is deception and WORSE is against the medical recommendation.

[Likes2drive]

I’m not disagreeing with your answer, I was just stating the many reasons, I don’t agree with them but that’s most of the reasons why they do it, not saying it’s right, I had no say in it when born since they do it to every American boy to avoid infection and penile cancer later on is what I was told in a health class in a college course. It’s done to all boys in china at age 5 years old, I only know that because of my brothers Chinese wife. When I was much older and seeing stuff in adult magazines and even Greek statues I always wondered why they had a different looking penis and then found out why because I was missing something I had when born

[strateguy632]

health class in college! they should not violate a. a. p.
the chinese students by me say not common in china so, not "all 5 year olds" as she said, not even most, truly rare. maybe she lied to fit into america?

[Likes2drive]

I doubt she lied, china is huge and maybe it’s more common where she is from because it’s very rural where she lives, she rather live in china after being here 8 years so it’s not to be more American, she can’t believe how expensive it is here and how they tax you for everything so it’s definitely not to fit in