Would you choose a surgeon just because she was a woman of color?

[exitseven]

What if you found out that your surgeon was an affirmative action hire?

[WhiteSteve]

I think about the last thought I could envision myself thinking is seeing a person holding a job, and if they aren’t white, wonder what kind of tomfoolery must be going on for them to have said job, because SURELY a white person, inherently more naturally talented and intelligent, was robbed of this employment opportunity by this person, who MUST be unqualified, because of their ethnic heritage🙄🤦‍♂️

That’s the whole issue with Affirmative Action/DEI talk, it ASSUMES white people/men are more capable workers than people of color/women…which is, y’know…a totally fucked up way to look at life

[exitseven]

@WhiteSteve Yes, it is a totally screwed up way to look st things but how can you help not thinking like that after everything we know about the new DEI policies that have been imposed pretty much everywhere.

[WhiteSteve]

But I mean…. if we’re talking about surgeons, as an example, I don’t think it’s necessarily like “There are 1,200 eye surgeons in America, ranked 1-1,200.” It’s more likely “There’s 1a-k, 12a-p, 29a-d, 33a-j, etc, etc…” Like if 5 people applied for the same eye surgeon job, I’m not sure the 5th best applicant is necessarily measurably inferior to the best one, or by all that much, so the difference between #1 and #2 would very possibly be even less of a difference. I’m nowhere near ready to broadly declare A) any POC/female hired was favored during the hiring process due to DEI, and B) DEI hiring would ensure lower-quality hires, because, again, white men aren’t just automatically the best at everything and anyone else is second-rate

[exitseven]

There are many medical schools that accept students using DEI standards instead of on merit. The democrats complain there are not enough doctors from minority groups. Once they are admitted the academic standards have to be dumbed down so they all don't flunk out. This produces less than ideal doctors.

[WhiteSteve]

I feel like most doctors I’ve ever seen personally aren’t white men already though. Venturing out of eye surgery here, no personal experience, but just over the course of my life, I think most of my doctors haven’t been white guys, and the ones who were weren’t Americans. And this is going back to the 80s. I haven’t noticed some spike in non-white doctors all of a sudden. I also don’t know if there’s any truth to the lowered standards and all, but I’m very confident in the intelligence of any medical student. They don’t just pull these kids out of wood shop class, they’re all probably one of the smartest people from wherever they went school. I don’t think we’re throwing people who would’ve been working at a car wash into the medical field. This still kind of has a flavor “white people would be doing this the best”, that doesn’t sit well with me

[Slingblade1126]

@WhiteSteve Your argument is valid but at the same time, doesn't make that much sense. You, yourself said most of the doctors you see aren't "white men" and I do agree. Do the vast majority of citizens question their credentials? Clearly the answer is NO. Why? Because they know they had to meet the standards to be accepted by a medical school and to be licensed by a medical board. DEI, which Duke University (for a medical school) and certain commercial airlines, plus the FAA are looking into lowering or have already lowered the standards for being accepted for certain "groups", should leave people troubled! Look at the fiasco in Butler, Pennsylvania! By all indications, that was an unofficial act of DEI! It means you are no longer getting the "best". The "white" people are exempt from evaluation of credentials, because DEI doesn't include them, which is why the SCOTUS found Affirmative Action unconstitutional. If you have a "white" surgeon or a "white" airline pilot, you know they are the most qualified. The government didn't give them their job. As usual, in the lefts attempt to help their base, they're setting them up for failure. Having said all this, you need to realize, this is a typical left wing, "election cycle" plot to divide the country on race and sex! Last election cycle, it was "reparations", this cycle, it's, "DEI".

[WhiteSteve]

@Slingblade1126 well, my issue with your take on it (appreciate the respectful approach though 🤝) is that DEI has become something of a boogeyman word that I think mischaracterizes what it is and what it aims to do. Sticking with a medical school example, even if white guys got excluded in favor of someone else, I’m sure it was the BOTTOM of the would-be accepted applicants, they’re not turning away phenoms.

Also, regarding the Secret Service screw-up, I don’t know that we can officially say the lady was hired BECAUSE she was a lady. Also, I don’t think she was there on the scene, someone under her watch screwed up, and she, as the head of the operation, takes the fall, whether it’s legitimately her fault or not. It was an unfortunate situation, but just like a President, shit “just happens” in life, and we often incorrectly blame or credit some random person in charge.

I think we over-romanticize things too. Like the Presidency, for example. I think Trump is uniquely and unquestionably unfit for office, but besides him, there might be 50 people in politics from both sides of the aisle who could step in and be be President for the next 4 years without setting anything on fire. And they’d get credit and blame just like you’d assign and reject for YOUR guy/gal if they happened to be the one in office, and they’d name an elementary school after them in 50 years. We act like only ONE person could EVER possibly manage to successfully be the President at any given time. A LOT of people could do it; the issue is not many are sellable to the voting population, that’s what all the concern is about. Who can WIN, not who can do it.

[WhiteSteve]

@Slingblade1126 That’s what I’m saying about surgeons, or med school candidates if you prefer…there are probably some elite prospects, and then a whole bunch of people, who are very smart relative to the average person, but in the exclusive league of medicine, they’re just unremarkable, and interchangeable. Straight white men are a distant dead last on the list of “people who I need to worry will be ok” in American society, so if a small handful have to go to Wake Forest Med School instead, they’ll be just fine.

Also, Democrats even talk about DEI as a campaign selling point. That comes exclusively from Trump and Trump-friendly media and politicians. Same with the “identity politics.” Go listen to one of Kamala’s speeches and tell me where the part is where she says “vote for me, I’m a woman of color!” I’ll save you some time looking: you won’t find it.

Race and sex “divisions” seem to usually be calling out or moving to protect against legitimate prejudice in the world, and people who want to keep on being prejudiced without repercussion try to spin the argument and make it look like there’s something wrong with the accusers, not themselves and the poor behavior or attitudes they’re being called on. It’s literally just a desperate attempt of “NO, it’s YOUR fault!”, as I see it, in many/most cases.

[WhiteSteve]

@Slingblade1126 Also, it’s worth mentioning that, at least in my opinion, the very foundation of a lot of objectionable Republican positions or agendas or manufactured narratives are based on and essentially to racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia, etc, like that’s literally WHY they’re a problem, and in order to combat them, it has to be said out loud that things are happening or not happening BECAUSE OF (usually cloaked) the right wing’s poor attitudes of those “-isms” and “-phobias.” They’re trying to make it so you can’t point it out and talk about without being accused of “making it about identity.” But it’s all done by the right with a very thinly-veiled goal being able to prevent people from stopping the right wing from doing fucked up shit due to THEIR fucked up attitudes that are causing the negative impacts people are complaining about in the first place. They break things and complain that the hammering is too loud and needs to stop when we inevitably have to make repairs.

I’m sure if you can get a pilot’s license, you’re also most likely capable intellectually of obtaining a COMMERCIAL pilot’s license, with proper training. And no one without proper training would be put in a private cockpit, let alone a commercial one, so you can rest assured your pilot will likely be fine…. unless they’re boozing on the job, and that’s not a new phenomenon.

And with that, ex-MLB pitcher Roy Halladay probably could’ve gotten a commercial pilot’s license. And he’s a fucking idiot who got himself killed doing some stuntman shit buzzing the ocean. BUT…he wouldn’t do that with a plane full of passengers, obviously, so I mean….. point is, ANYBODY, reasonably speaking, can become a pilot, and they might be an idiot or a drunk or whatever, regardless of race, and you don’t know until the plane is in a tailspin.

[WhiteSteve]

@Slingblade1126 *manufactured narratives are based on and essentially tied to racism

[Slingblade1126]

Can AI Steve answer yes or no questions?

[msc545]

No, of course not. That is not a basis for choosing a medical provider and you know that very well. I am sure you're going to use this as an example in some fashion to promote Trump and trash Harris. Good luck with that. It's a little late in the game my friend.

[exitseven]

is it a basis for selecting a president?

[msc545]

Stop with the racism, please.

[msc545]

Thanks for MHO

[IslaTheWitch]

no, I would rather read the opinions about different doctors and choose the best :D

I don't care about their skin color, private preferences and other insignificant details... I care for how good they are...

[douride2]

Race would have nothing to do with it. I would want the best surgen there is to operate on me. Why would I want anything less.

[douride2]

Thanks for a MHO.

[sage2021]

I wouldn't have her or any surgeon operate on me unless I checked them out really good first.

[phraseology]

Being that so many people have been admitted to medical schools and residency programs in recent years just because they are a diversity candidate, I would refuse medical attention from pretty much all minorities to protect myself from malpractice.

[phraseology]

Professional negligence in health care leads to substandard treatment. It's my life on the line, so even if they were the best candidate in the past, I will probably avoid them just because of their minority status. There is an elevated statistical risk to my life if I roll the dice.

[phraseology]

With the constant assault on straight white men within the system, if one managed to survive the onslaught there is a high chance the dude is really good and they couldn't just get rid of him.

[OlderAndWiser]

I would want my surgeon to be certified by the American Board of Surgery. No one else is going to select my surgeon for me.

[DrPepper12]

Not enough info. How experienced is the person? We're they board certified? Practicum & residency feedback from supervisors? Passed required exams?

And no, IDGAF if IT was PURPLE with orange polka dots and six feet with 20 toes, if they're qualified, they're in.

[EmmaMary]

@exitseven

That might depend on whether it was a sudden life or death situation... I simply wouldn't give a damn on any surgeon's colour if it meant they could save my life.

[Wiredone]

I don't choose my doctors by their race, religion or sex. I research everyone I plan on using. I choose the person who has the most 5 star reviews in several categories

[Cubus]

Isn't it that 90% of surgeons in USA are foreigners, especially Indians?

[exitseven]

No, the majority are Americans. Maybe a=there are a lot that are of Indian decent.

[jazzy34]

I would choose the most qualified surgeon.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. I don't care about a person ethnicity or skin color when it comes to a job.

Just be good at what you're doing and I'm fine with it.

[AviatorTom]

Nope, nuff said

[Dan_Juliet02]

I don’t think that’s right

[Dongie]

Good question.