War on Christmas!!! How to fight back& Save Christmas 🎅🎅🎅🎅🎅 (Page 2)

[Sevenpointfive]

[Twalli]

You are aware that Christmas was created to coincide with Yule to make it easier for pagans to convert. Also if we were to celebrate the birthday of Jesus, it'd be sometime in Autumn.

[Bat-Perv]

1. Jesus was born in Jerusalem. It is currently 14°C and the lowest temperature will be 4°C tonight. Sheep don't need shelter and no Shepherds would abandon their sheep no matter how cold it was.
2. In the old Julian calendar the 25th of December falls on the winter solstice. When the new Georgian calender was introduced to correct for solar drift the winter solstice changed from the 25th of December to the 21st but Christmas stayed on the 25th.
3. Christmas was first celebrated in Rome 336 Ad. There was no Christianity in Germany nor real Roman presence so they didn't steal anything from german pagans.
4. The roman empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious empire most of whom had religious festivals on the winter solstice (December 25th Julian calendar) as did most peoples globally so Christmas was made to fit into this as the entire globe had stopped working and trading, Christmas actually had a feast day celebrating a Saint before Christmas was first celebrated. Many religions in modern times in the US do this too.
5. Those traditions you speak of have as much to do with ethnicity and and nationality as they do religion.
6. "So what traditions did the early Christians take from the Pagans you may be asking. Well let me tell you. There are your yuletide carols, the yule log that you burn, yuletide greetings, wreaths, decking the halls with boughs of holly, the yule tree, St. Nicholas, Odin's 8 legged flying horse (your 8 reindeer), the sun god mithra born of a virgin and had 12 disciples, feasts, and so much more."
about. Merry Christmas

[Twalli]

@Bat-Perv Germans were not the only pagans that Christmas supplanted Yule for. You can see evidence of Pagans and Christians celebrating Yule and Christmas together in Prenormam Postroman Britain.

[Bat-Perv]

The old religions died away when others converted. In actual fact it was the Christians in Britain who were supplanted by pagan germans in pre-norman England & then again all over Britain by pagan Scandinavians.
But like you said you see pagans celebrating yule & Christmas together but that was true of most places as everyone had a festival on the winter solstice not just for religious reasons but it makes sense. Romans, celts, Germans, slavs, Jews, persians, indians etc all had a festival or feast day.

[Twalli]

@Bat-Perv I know, it's just that Christmas really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus as evidence puts it in Autumn.

[Bat-Perv]

We are celebrating the birth of christ not the Friday he was born.

[Twalli]

@Bat-Perv ap you wouldn't mind if your birthday was celebrated months afterwards?

[Bat-Perv]

We aren't even sure of the exact year. Very interesting period. Names like julius Caesar, augustus, crassus, spartacus, Pompey, cleopatra, mark Anthony, herod, Arminius, vercingetrix, mithradates,

[Bat-Perv]

If nobody knew my birthday and if my birthday was in the winter when i was born in the summer due to solar drift I wouldn't mind

[Twalli]

@Bat-Perv actually we know more about him than you might think
He did exist, so he was a real person
He was crucified at a young age, which mean he was a criminal
We know these two things to be true because the romans kept very good records. While we don't know his exact age we do know t j. g st it took years before anyone we'd vf en considered celebrating his birth. The evidence suggests that regardless of solar drift he was still bor in autumn. The reason why it was made December 25, bad nothing to do with his birth. They needed a way to make it easier for pagans to convert. So they made Christian holidays to coincide with pagan holidays. The same is true for Halloween.

[Bat-Perv]

Not true. Remember the pagans were in charge for the first 300 years of Christianity. Its more likely that Christians were fitting their religious celebrations to pagans.
Again Halloween is an ethnic cultural thing that started in Ireland probably the early Christians in Ireland assimilating their Christianity with existing paganism. Muslims in the west do the same at Christmas as dio hindus as everybody is off anyway. Christians in Mexico have the day of the dead. As far as I know Easter & Christmas is the only real universal Christian festivals. Halloween is just something that became global like germanic yuletide stuff.

[Twalli]

@Bat-Perv That would be true if Christmas was always a holiday. It wasn't. Celebrating it came many years after it could have been started.

[Bat-Perv]

There was also a celebration regarding a Saint on that day. I mean Christianity was only getting started 2000 years ago.

[Twalli]

@Bat-Perv and we didn't celebrate Christmas 2000 years ago. Jesus died anywhere between 34-36.

[Bat-Perv]

Exactly. We remember his birth & death as sacred

[glock33sig357]

Christmas is a pagan festival that Roman Empire incorporated into Christianity which in itself wasn't about the Messiah or what he taught, " No idol worship " but yet we put more infasis on the festivities that the message he left us.

[glock33sig357]

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[Gedaria]

Sorry, this is wasted on me.
I don't do Christmas.
From being young it's just an excuse to get drunk.

[joeldalton]

I've checked all those things off your list. Bring on Christmas.

[Everglow5]

What even is this "War on Christmas"?

[CalmYourTits]

In general, there is a war on Christianity. Unless you are part of the community you don't know it because Christians typically aren't loud and crazy, nor do they get media attention. There is a list of court cases on the war on Christians.

[sadMeester]

@CalmYourTits Not really.
How christian is Christmas? Ignoring that, wouldn't you say christians in America are far more often the aggressors against Jews, Monotheistic christians, and Hindus?

[White_King2000]

@sadMeester how Christian is Christmas? Its in the very name Christ-mass.
Christians overwhelmingly assert that monotheism is central to the Christian faith, as the Nicene Creed (and others), which gives the orthodox Christian definition of the Trinity, begins: "I believe in one God". ... They also hold to the doctrine of a man-god Christ Jesus as God incarnate.

[White_King2000]

Jews & hindus are a tiny proportion of the population.

[Everglow5]

Okay, so I'm Christian, and I kinda don't understand where people think Christmas comes from if they don't believe in the Bible, but whatever. I still don't understand. Did we do something to offend other religions or something? Why is there even a "War" in the first place?

[CalmYourTits]

@Everglow5 - The CCP wants to do away with religion because God teaches free will. Also taking "Christ" out of Christmas. Making it to be only a commercial holiday. There is a war on Christianity in general. If you take away religion people will lose their way. Look at what is going on now in America. People do not understand unjust laws vs just laws. MLK jr was a minister, so he understood this so well, and said, “A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.“.

[Everglow5]

@CalmYourTits Oh, thank you lmao

[mélancolie]

Just do Christmas as you usually would, that's enough tbh

[kespethdude]

tl, dr. Nothing but Fourth Reich Chirstian PRopaganda. Next. He lost, get over it..

[Bat-Perv]

The fourth reich is the European Union

[kespethdude]

Go fuck a bat, and you got banned lol

[SavageGirl101]

They tryna steak Christmas? Ah nah Baby that not gon werk

[LowSelfSteem03]

Just let people believe what they want

[Daedelus]

Happy Holidays everyone!

[jimmy2]

I bit Santa haf some pot with that cop has him bending over the car? Smiles

[WhiteGlaze]

They fucking shot him in the head! Oh no!

[DennisWatkins91]

Wish merry Christmas to everyone!

[msc545]

Interesting mytake - thanks!!

[cnhinton]

Love the satire. Thanks for making me laugh.

[JosyJosy]

shoutouts to ptx

[morganlove]

Merry Christmas!!!

[RyanEC]

I agree.