+1 yI believe that yes, a woman should respect and honor her husband. But the verses relating to how a woman should act are often misused by husbands who do none of the things they're supposed to be doing, and using it out of context as reason to keep her (and often the kids) down. What many refuse to learn or see, even when pointed out, is that there are plenty of verses on how a husband who is a follower of Jesus is supposed to treat his wife and children.
As we are referring to the wife / husband dynamic, here are a few verses. I think that in an idealized "Christian" home, that, yes, there should be a dynamic of a wife trusting her husband, going with him when he's trying to make the best decisions for the family. BUT - this also comes with the man leading the household, loving and protecting his family, and doing what is wise for them. I don't believe this also gives freedom from (loving) arguments & disagreements. She has a right to voice her opinion.
I see it constantly where people are just in general very disrespectful to their mates, so an idea of a wife respecting a decision (and a man respecting and loving his wife AND being a leader of sorts, that the concept is pretty foreign, and some would yell that it's sexist.
Of course, respecting, honoring and obeying have different contexts in different cultures, and generations.
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Colossians 3:19 ESV
Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
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1 Peter 3:7 ESV
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
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Ephesians 5:33 ESV
However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
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Genesis 2:24 ESV
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. Guys - don't be a mamas boy if mama is dead wrong on something.
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Philippians 2:4 ESV
Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
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Ephesians 5:21 ESV
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
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Hope this gives you some food for thought.21 Reply- +1 y
" food for thought." Conclusion: the Bible is full of contradictions. Thanks, I knew that.
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That would be nice. The husband shouldn't abuse it but, I think it would save a lot of marriages or even relationship if a man felt like the man in a relationship.
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Submission doesn't mean "weak". It means show respect for the man's role. It empowers him to be the best he can for his wife, and makes the woman feel safe. It also gives the man incentive to be a great man, because a woman won't marry him unless he's worthy of her respect.
I think this is a very healthy dynamic.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yAs a theist who is loosely Christian and has read the entire Bible, as well as other religious texts from various faiths.
I believe more in the spirit of the Bible, as a collection of anecdotes, history and indirect interpretations of interpretations. A lot of the gender instructions come from Paul, who was not so much in favor of marriage at all when it could be avoided.
I don't believe in the infallibility of Church personalities, though this is what we're "supposed" to believe. But there have been too many obvious examples that this is not true.
Anyway, I believe the basic spirit of the New Testament is to love one another, forgive, be fair and kind, be moderate and humble, seek enlightenment over riches or fame, share, perform your work without grumbling, have faith in God and the savior Jesus Christ (himself an icon of these virtues).01 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 yOops, my point is that by following the spirit of the Bible, a marriage or any other endeavor should be positive.
+1 yAccording to Islam, yes the husband is supposed to be the head of the household (not dictator!) and he is supposed to be loving, caring and respectful towards his wife and children. So it is only fair that he is respected back and has a final say. But even in that he is supposed to consult and cooperate with his wife!
"And those who have responded to their lord and established prayer and whose affair is [determined by] consultation among themselves, and from what We have provided them, they spend." Holy Quran 42:38.00 Reply
No. I'm fine being the one handling the bills and decisions and everything else. I'm a control freak that way though and I'm the one that controls the money and where it goes. He just brings it in and hands it over. That's the way it was when I was married. He was more than fine with letting me run the household.
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u +1 yI think those types of statements in the Bible must be understood in the context of the culture that existed when the Bible was written. Most Christians today do not expect a wife to be subservient. I consider myself to be a Christian and I want a wife who is an equal partner.
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All statements in the Bible must be understood in the context of the culture that existed when the Bible was written.
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That's why I dismiss them.
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@jacquesvol That doesn't mean hat everything in the Bible should be ignored.
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It shouldn't be ignored because it still influences other people in our society to a very high point. That's why I know much about it but dismiss it.
Same for the Quran and the Torah. - +1 y
@jacquesvol I understand why you would find a blind adherence to any of the books questionable. But dismissing them in their entireties is to ignore a great volume of wisdom.
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@jacquesvol The Holy Quran is meant for all of the mankind and for all times, just to clarify :)
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@candyaurora The Quran relates to the Arab peninsula, as it was in first half of the 7th century.
The Bible is even older and relates to the region just north of it.
Nuff said about their context. - +1 y
@jacquesvol yup it was revealed in that era but its teachings are meant for all times that was what I meant!
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@candyaurora
I don't believe in angels telling me things or voices from the clouds.
www.psychiatrictimes.com/.../auditory-hallucinations-psychiatric-illness
Just read a copy of the Quran and one of the Bible. The Quran is the Bible retold in Arabic, with a lot of holes in the the narration. Look up Bahira (Arabic: بحيرى , Syriac: ܒܚܝܪܐ), or "Sergius the Monk". A lot will be clearer to you. - +1 y
@jacquesvol to each his own as they say !! I can debate on the topic you just mentioned but this post and place ain't the one to discuss such things i guess. Peace 😊
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@candyaurora @jacquesvol It is always nice to see people maintain civility and part in peace after a disagreement. Peace out!
+1 ylet me guess, the old testament? Leviticus? Or deuteronomy?
It also say we're not supposed to mix different kinds of fabric.
- leviticus 19.19
And that phsics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned. That means all scienists
- levitius 20.27
and that we're not allowed to cut our hair or shave
-leviticus 19.27
and that anyone cursing (at) their mother or father is to be killed
-leviticus 20.9
and that anyone cursing or blaspheming god is to be stoned by society
-leviticus 24.14-16
and anyone suggesting converting or leaving christianity is to be killed
- Deuteronomy 13:6-10
and that christians are to kill everyone (including the animals) in towns worshiping different religions
-Deuteronomy 13:12-15
and that you're to kill anyone with a different religion
-Deuteronomy 17:2-7
and that we're not supposed to be fat
-leviticus 3.17
you know what? just read more or less everything leviticus wrote!
And just for the hell of it, one last funny quote;
"She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekiel 23.20
Yep, that's actually a bible quote. Look it up if you don't believe me1023 Reply- +1 y
@idk87 those wonderfull people who are too uptight to get a joke.
The whole point of this post was to take bible qotes and put them IN context. What context? 21st century context! The result is that it makes the rules look downright silly, which in turn makes OP actually stop and think "hey, if this is in the bible, and we don't care because we know better. Then maybe i can also be equal to my man?"
Is it cherry picking? Yes! Is it relevant! Yes, because it shows that we need to think for ourselves, and not just blindly trust ancient books. God gave you a brain, USE it.
Oh, and in case you need toget it shoveled in with a teaspoon. Lutherean protestantic christian person speaking. We're not jews! We're going by the new pact formed by Jesus christ of nasareth, not the old laws in the old testament. - +1 y
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Its in the New Testiment
Also, misquoting God is unwise. Be careful. - +1 y
@Punkbuster107 you say i'm missquoting? really? REALLY? look them all up! they're there!
I'm just taking some of the more absurd laws of the bible, and puts it in a modern context to show that even christians are blatantly ignoring the old laws, and in turn show why OP is free to decide for herself. - +1 y
New Testament: Saint Paul in Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
https://biblehub.com/niv/ephesians/5.htm
And 1Timothy2
9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11 A womana should learn in quietness and full submission.
12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;b she must be quiet.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
15 But womenc will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
(Jesus to Paul) - +1 y
Read it here: https://biblehub.com/niv/1_timothy/2.htm
and here: https://biblehub.com/niv/ephesians/5.htm
It's what Paul heard from Jesus, (according to the Bible) - +1 y
@Punkbuster107: All those books he quoted from are in the Old Testament.
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@musicbrain5 the scriptures pertaining to the original question, as shared by @jacquesvol are from the new testiment.
And just because I'm part German and have different religious beliefs than you does not give you the right to call me a Nazi. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, but don't be a jerk, it does nothing for your credibility. - +1 y
Also, @dartmaul15 did not quote scripture directly, he said his own paraphrased words and put scripture references underneath them.
Any televangelist can do the same, and it doesn't impress me much under either circumstance.
How would you like it if someone gathered up all the words you said, paraphrased them out of context in secluded snilits, and then went around telling everyone you stood for all the things you don't? - +1 y
@Punkbuster107 no, and that's exactly why stuck up christians sputtering the laws in the bible on the daily NEED it. They need that slap in the face, because it shows how fucking stupid it is of them, because how many christians foollow these laws?
Yet they defend their racism towards homosexuals with the bible, their hatred for muslims, thier... everything. And they have the audacity to use it against everyone else who doesn't believe. So i give back with the same coin and all them out on the rules THEY do not follow. Not because i want them to follow them, but because when faced witth those laws even they can't deny the fact that old laws are being ignored and changed because of the development of humankind.
And when development of humankind can change some of the laws, why can't they change others? - +1 y
mowing on, where the fuck did anyone call you a "nazi"? Stop playing the victim card. Just makes you look like a soore looser. Especially since nobody gives a fuck about that anymore. "racist" and "sexist" are the new vitcim cards now.
And want to know why i paraphrased them? Because half the people not having English as their primary language (that makes up quite a bit of GaG) would not understand it, especially if i quoted king james bible. Paraphrsing as a tool to make it understandable is perfectly fine, at least in the lutherean church here in norway.
Deal with it. - +1 y
You really feel like slappjng me in the face just for disagreeing with your poor paraphrasing of MY religion's holy book, and for pointing out that the original question was touched on in the New Testament?
Whatever dude, slap my face again it you think it will do anything for you. - +1 y
@Punkbuster107 the point isn't where it stands, the point is that YOUR holy book is daily being ignored by its "faithfull" followers. The same followers IGNORING what Jesus told them about how to treat people.
Look, i know what you're trying to prove. But let's just accept the fact that you have to move with the time. And that means women have equal freedom as the man. The bible may claim to be the law, but the ultimate law of God is "love". Even Jesus of nasareth broke the laws of the old testament, on several ocations XD - +1 y
Nope.
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@idk87 I know the Bible, and I agree with the poster: these ARE NOT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. Some of them are directed only to the priests, but most are directed to the entire community.
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@Punkbuster107 Agreed. His argument is SO WEAK he has to commit the gravest of all sins: the ad hominem attack!
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@Punkbuster107 Yep! He did.
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@idk87 i need a fucking degree to read the bible too now?
and what is eally "missinterpreting"? And who decides what is and isn't?
Arrogance? maybe. Maybe not. What's sure as hell is that the bible is up for interpretation. And I will keep reading it and trying to understand it. I've seen enough of history to see what happen when you blindly follow those claiming to know better (both in therms of kings, polticians, and priests). - +1 y
I didn't say you need any sort of education to read the bible I was just saying if you are going to interpret it for others you should know what the hell you are talking about and only an idiot would blindly follow the teaching of someone else without questioning their authority and credibility
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@idk87 ironic. How can i question something without seeking a different interpretation? Thus your statement forms a paradox.
This "monopoly" on the truth which you suggest, it is oe of the strong reasons the lutherean chruch exist. And i happen to be lutherean. so you know what, i don't care. I see NOTHING wrong with presenting MY interpretation of it.
hell, i never even interpreted anything. I just put forth statements made in the raw bible text, and specified where they are made. YOU interpreted my post.
Wash: You and Zoe have been in plenty of situations like this before, right?
Mal: Many a' time.
Wash: Many a' time, you and Zoe.
Mal: At least we know who it was took us-
Wash: Zoe and you. Together, in a tricky...[beat] Mal, she's my WIFE!
Mal: Huh?
Wash: What gives you the right to put her in a dangerous situation like this?
Mal: I didn't!
Wash: You did!
Mal: She ain't here, Wash!
Wash: No, but she would've been!
Mal: Okay...
Wash: I mean, I'm the one that she swore to love, honor, and obey!
Mal: Listen, if— [surprised] She swore to obey?
Wash: Well, no... not— [beat] But that's just my point! You, she obeys! She obeys you. There's obeying going on right under my nose!
Mal: Look, Zoe and I have a history— she trusts me.
Wash: What's that supposed to mean?
Mal: Don't mean a thing, but you're making out like she blindly follows my every word; that ain't true.
Wash: Sure it is.
Mal: Not so. There's plenty orders of mine that she didn't obey.
Wash: Name one!
Mal: She married YOU!00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yYes. It's just the way it should be. Let him feel like a man. That doesn't mean you have to listen to everything he says, but that does mean you should have a certain respect for your husband. Especially women who want to be stay at home moms while he is at work.
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Opinion Owner+1 yAnd let me just add that I am not religious at all.
+1 yWell most girls love being dominated and love to submit and be used by there man.
They like to be degraded , disrespected and made to do some real submissive things all in enjoyment behind closed doors.
They just don't want or like to be disrespected in public. Any other times it's what they like.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think so.
" bring me another beer bitch "
" yes sir right away "
Lmao.20 Reply
+1 yKeep in mind, in the Bible it ALSO says that the man should treat the woman as Christ treated the church. So, as the woman submits, the man (in agreement) should put her needs first...
That's the purpose of submission: cooperation and humility, not control and power.10 ReplyNo, of course not. That statement in the bible is outdated nonsense. It's one of the things that while the Catholic belief evolves, should disappear. No discrimination based on gender. Also the prohibition for ladies to become priest should disappear. That rule as well does not belong in 2015!
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@9mfeo
It's in the Bible. What can a pope do but follow the Bible? - +1 y
@jacquesvol put teachings into a modern context.
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@9mfeo 2Tim3 :)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-16.htm
Atheists too know the Bible :)
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of...
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came
about by the prophet's own interpretation of things. ...
//biblehub.com/2_peter/1-20.htm - +1 y
@jacquesvol As an atheist myself, I'm aware.
I think that it's very easy for people to forget that ancient writings may not be relevant for the modern age and are of course subject to interpretation. - +1 y
@9mfeo I dismiss these for that reason. Muslims and Christians and orthodox Jews don't.
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"while the Catholic belief evolves" is an oxymoron: (contradictio in trminis for Europeans) Beliefs don't want to evolve.
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@jacquesvol the churches don't want to be empty either... but 98% of the priests and church visitors are 60+ so... if they don't change anything they can soon start selling churches :-(
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John XXIII tried to make it evolve but failed.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yyou have to make sure you're not taking it out of context it means a wife should respect her husband but its not saying that he is controlling or anything like that she respects him he respects her they both love each other and he is the man in the relationship, he takes the lead but that doesn't mean he is a sexist
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yActually, some degree of submission and obedience is required of both husband and wife within a marriage.
If the Bible tells women to submit, it also tells men to love their wives which would mean never abusing or taking advantage of her obedience to him.31 Reply- +1 y
Good point!
+1 ya man shall leave his mother
And a woman leave her home
And they shall travel on to where the two shall be as one
As it was in the begining
It is now until the end
Woman draws her life from man
Then gives it back again10 Reply
+1 yYes, but the bible also says for a man to care for his wife and tend to her needs, its not a one way street like most people misunderstand, a woman should tend to the husband and as the husband is head of the house hold he should tend to his wife's needs and care for his children, so it goes both ways
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+1 yI think there's a verse in Corinthians something to the effect of both Man and Woman are equal in the Lord.
Either way, I think Men and Women should be equal in a relationship. No one is better or less than the other, both are lucky to have each other.00 ReplyThe bible says all kinds of fucked up shit. If half the stuff I read was true I would be a millionaire with a 10 foot penis by now judging by all the spam mail I get.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yQur'an (4:34) - "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them."
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+1 yYou only "submit" to God. As for husband, she should respect every REASONABLE and humane demand of her husband. But if she feels he is being unreasonable, she has every right to get out of the relationship.
BTW: I am not quoting the Bible. I don't follow the Bible.00 ReplyI think all relationships are differing. I am not the submissive type most the time. So if a guy tries to boss me around I will not let him. My relationship is pretty equal. However in the bedroom we switch dominance.
10 Reply683 opinions shared on Marriage & Weddings topic. Yes, if she wants to submit and obey her husband out of her own free will then she can do that. It's her personal choice.
40 ReplyHell no! I love when a woman challenges me in the relationship. I love when there's compromise and I love when there's a deep bond of trust and communication.
41 ReplyIf that's what you want for your marriage, then all the power to you. That's now what I want for me, though.
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+1 yThey both should submit to each other, rather than "having their voices" or one submitting and obeying another.
30 ReplyIf the man is trustworthy in a decision-making role, I say yes.
The issue is that most men these days, aren't deserving or trustworthy to be that primary decision maker and leader in the relationship dynamic!00 Replywell, if all his ideas are awesome, i'd have no problem agreeing with all of his ideas.
30 ReplyBe a team together. Two heads are better than one at making decisions. But don't overdo it or emasculate your husband.
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+1 yNoo never and every guy who imposes or forces something to his women is a piece of shit like what do you think yourself? i do what i want whenever i want, god gave everything im not supposed to obey him for something he can do and im not a servant
00 Replyim religious too but i think that is CRAZY. there is noo way im going to obey another human just because he's, well, a he. a man.
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+1 yIf she wants to. If she doesn't, then don't. Let each individual/couple decide for themselves I guess...
00 ReplyIf that's what you believe, you're free to do so.
That's not what I believe and not what I want for my life.00 ReplyNo, a wife doesn't have to submit or obey to her husband as a husband doesn't have to submit to his wife.
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+1 yHe hee heee, har har har har..(gasp) That's a good one, Juuey. Any other jokes in the Bible?
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@martyfellow The Bible is full of it: daughters raping their father, men offering their girlfriend to rapists, forced abortion, killing of children, a prophet considered pacifist savior telling to buy swords. God ordering to kill and steal, people killed by God for dodging taxes etc, etc.
+1 yI submit to my husband in the bedroom. Everything else is negotiable. We are equal partners in our marriage.
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+1 yTo be clear, it does say she should submit, but it does not say obey.
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+1 yim christian and i dont believe that.
women shouldn't be treated as slaves; no one should.20 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThe bible says all kinda stuff including killing non believers. Does it mean we should? Of course not
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yGod didn't say that. The authors who wrote that scripture said that because that was the societal custom at the time.
10 ReplySo as the husband should obey his wife that's in Islam anyway I don't know about ur relgion
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+1 yThat's only part of that Bible verse. It's very commonly taken out of context, as you have here.
It's a two way street. If anyone wants to know more, Ill be happy to elaborate 📖04 Reply- +1 y
Yes, actually it is. You have to read the entire verse. The husband has an obligation to the wife FIRST before that.
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Not saying I disagree with you @Asker. Just saying there's more to it. And male chauvinists are famous for using only the part of the verse you reference, and not the rest.
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Thanks for the down vote. FTR... I DO agree with the ENTIRE verse. What I don't agree with, is people that just use half of it to push an agenda.
You have no clue what you're talking about. Your polygamist boyfriend is manipulating the Bible AND you.
+1 yNope, Its another reason I turned away from organized religion
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+1 yi guess she better obey, or be made to obey
haha00 Replyhaha... yes, cos people need to "contribute" which is very Biblical... hahahaha.. most people don't follow the Bible consistently duuuh.,
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+1 yOnly if wives were meant to be slaves and not people, which i'm sure they are not
This question is stupid13 Reply- +1 y
meaning that u have to look at things within a context and not just take random phrases out of the bible and ask if they are an absolute truth
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I admit I was a bit harsh in my tone. I guess I just have seen many questions about people taking things out of context because it serves a purpose for them.
I'm sorry however. I regreted it after I wrote it
I mean I'm not super religious or anything but yeah absolutely she should I mean that's her place, to do what she's told.
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The only place that a woman has is at the SIDE of her husband as HIS equal. IF he is a Godly man and (even if not Godly just a real man in general) she will have no problem being submissive to a strong head/husband. If he's a retarded, asshole, dickhead she's gonna rear right up and doubt him. Its foolish for you to say a womans place is to do what she's told. if you get a wife like that you will not as fufilled as being woman who is strong an opinionated who will help you become a better man by her wisdom and council.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yThat was in the olden days, The world has moved on, In those days, it was the norm
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yyes. man is the head of the family and woman the heart and pillar the keeps the head attached.
00 ReplyOnly if that's what she wants.
10 ReplyLol if she enjoys living like a slave, then yes.
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+1 yTwo words : Fuck that
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+1 yMost definitely not.. Period.
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+1 yAs a pastor's daughter I have to say yes
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yNot if you don't want to, you have a say too.
10 ReplyDepends on wether she has married an idiot or not
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+1 yWhat century are you from?
21 Replyin a sub dom relationship they do
00 ReplyYes she has to unless he treat her bad !
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 ySupposedly in the eastern traditions
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+1 yNo, she shouldn't.
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