Is it time for the wage earners to take their POWER BACK, within their relationships by avoiding marriage?

[DaveJord]

Do you agree that you should OWN YOUR POWER! If you love someone then do you really need marriage? If your independent and self sufficient then should you retain that level of security and control over your future? Or do you think love conquers all?

Marriage is about the worst investment any wage earner, regardless of sex can make. Your significant other can rob, cheat, lie and steal from you and your on the hook to loose 50% of everything and still be paying for it financially years after the fact.

The concept of marriage is ruined in the modern age. Love, faith and morality does not hold up in court. The law is not moral or ethical in of it self, and it does not seek or intend to make itself so. Marriage is the only contract a person can make where the other person does not have to fulfill the terms of the agreement, and they still get paid in full! To battle it will cost you 10's of thousands in a court fight.

So as a man I say HELL YES its time for men to take their power back!!! But I am not just talking to men, women as well if you're a wage earner then you need to own your power and take control over your assets.

"I, Joe Doe, take thee, Jane Doe, to be my wedded wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part, according to God's holy ordinance; and thereto I pledge thee my faith."

All that means JACK DIDDLY-SQUAT in a court of law... they cheat, lie and steal from you and you're on the hook to pay without any return on the investment. Steer clear of the trap. If you have a strong and powerful relationship, then you have it better than half the married people with all the legal protections of the law. Get married and you lose that protection over your assets and you pay in nothing but loss of happiness and ass pain.

Yes, own your power!!! I don't need marriage to find true love.

No, Marriage is only way to find true love.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Here we go again. Don't worry there are plenty guy here that will buy that narrative when is factually full of assumptions.

1. That you make more than your wife. From the Bureau of Labor Statistics since last December women make most of the workforce. And vastly outnumber us in college. I really hope this changes because in a few years we will be far behind at this rate.

2. You are assuming that you will divorce. If both of you are white the odds of getting divorced are around 35%. In other words, most won't.

3. You are assuming you will be lied and cheated on. At that the average age of marriage men cheat more. Also are the main abusers statistically speaking. 4. You are assuming the man will be screwed over regardless of the situation. Did you know that in custody disputes in 51% of cases both, yes both, parents agree that the mother should keep the kids? So most of us don't even fight for them so what are we complaining about? All of those are facts. But I know you and all the dislikes I am about to have are far to brainwashed to see anything beyond what you belief. Of course it can go bad for us. Of course it can. Assuming it will is simply statistically wrong.

[DaveJord]

So if you read my post completely I said income earners and I was not just speaking to men. If the women makes a higher income she can get hit just as hard as any man in divorce, communal property splits both ways. All the unsubstantiated "facts" you gave only up hold my point, that you can achieve all the benefits of marriage within a health and equally beneficial relationships, with out technically getting married... therefore marriage is not required. Not getting married ensures greater legal protections in the even of divorce. Nothing you provided disputes the facts of my argument.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

"So as a man I say HELL YES its time for men to take their power back!!! " the question is about taking power back. Then you put I repeat "time for men to take their power back!!!" So many "!!!" you got there. Clearly you feel about this subject.
You said "wage earners" in the title and on the text you wrote who you where really talking about.

If your wife makes more than you, you have much less probability that the court will make pay whatever it is. Also couples that make similar amounts are less likely to divorce.

You are right, no one needs to be married to have a strong happy relationship or a family. Also agree that is safer to not get married. But it's also safer to walk everywhere and people don't do that either.

If you argument is that is not required, I agree. If you argument is that it will inevitably screw you over then I have to disagree.

[DaveJord]

There are a lot of factors involved in child custody, and children are weaponized. Court appointed social worker or family advocate are legally limited on what they recommend. In severe cases even when there is evidence of parental manipulation, forcing a child way from the codependent parent can be argued in court as not being in the best interest of the child. Once a child is 14 to 16 years old most courts will not force and unwilling child into counseling or visitation.

Please do not under appreciate how easy it is manipulate a child once they are isolated from their family and other parent. It took 6 months from day of the filing to get a temporary ruling on custody, do not under estimate the amount a damage that can be done in a 6 month period of isolation.

I do not believe that people looking to enter into marriage should assume that they will be cheated, rob or stole from, but they should not assume that they will not be either. Marriage is not required to have a healthy, fulfilling and equally beneficial marriage. There are greater legal consequences to marriage than benefit in it for a self supporting income come earner.

So its not that agree or disagree with you, but there are holes in any argument based upon assumptions.

So when say 51% that is because 49% of parents can come to an agreement on custody without court intervention... but do not assume that the other 51% constitutes "most people", but its a slim margin, and that percentage is not based upon a good faith effort by the parent to get custody. Do assume there is not any child manipulation being committed by the who is awarded custody.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I never said that children are never used as weapons to get back at the other.
I never said that custody battles can't get ugly and there are many factors to take into account.
I never said that small children are not easy to manipulate. They certainly are.

"I do not believe that people looking to enter into marriage should assume that they will be cheated, rob or stole from, but they should not assume that they will not be either."
I agree with this. Sure we all should put the chance that things can go wrong.

49% people disagree with who should keep the children. So they both fight for them.
In the 51% where both think the child will be better with the mother... I don't think fathers do this because they are lazy or because they don't love their kids. I believe that stat reflects how much fathers don't believe that they are indeed as important parents as the mothers. They believe that the children will be better with the mother and they want to best for them. But that is my personal perspective.

[DaveJord]

In 51% of child custody cases, both parents agree for the mother to be the custodial parent. Its not that mothers get custody and fathers don't get anything... remember there is a difference between physical custody and legal custody. SO mother might get 100% Legal Custody, and only 50% Physical Custody... and that 51% statistic is more pointed at the fact that there is and agreed upon solution without court involvement. But its the other 49% where there is no agreement that is the issue.

The fact that more mothers get legal custody over the children than fathers is attributed to traditional gender roles assigned to marriage and divorce. Which the very concept I am challenging. When a mother offers 50% physical custody most fathers are advised not to fight it by legal counsel, because they already got 50% physical custody and isn't that all that really matters most?

My point being you quote facts but do not account for the factors that contribute to them.

* 40% of states in the US aim to give children equal time with each parent.
* Only 22% of red (Republican) states give equal custody time to both parents.
* 59% of swing states give equal custody time to mothers and fathers.

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[DaveJord]

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[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I agree that the mother is considered the default parent by society. That has good things and bad things.
One of the bad things that cause for us is making us believe that the children will be better off with the mother. So many father's agreeing that the child is better off with the mother is because they themselves believe what society says all the time. That women are better caretakers.
Those bs social gender roles have a terrible effects.

[shaysh87]

@DaveJord

Women dont get hit as hard upon divorce because men tend to marry women who are poorer than them. Foe example, you are worth 1000 while your wife is worth 100. Your wife had 2 kids four years into the marriage. She left her full time job to become a housewife.

[shaysh87]

@DaveJord

Housewives dont contribute to family assets. So upon divorce, she has never contributed to the familys assets. She was worth nothing prior to marriage. So when half the couples assets are split upon divorce , of course you will lose half of your hard earned assets. Marriage laws aren't skewed towards benefit of women. Its the choices of men of whom they decide to marry.

[DaveJord]

@shaysh87 Well I don't disagree with you, but do know women who married dead beat men and are paying for it.

Now as far as the rest, you kinda made my piont for me. That's I why advise against marriage.

[shaysh87]

@DaveJord

There is a stability to marriage that you can’t get from anyone else. Understand that once your siblings get married , they won’t care about you anymore. There will be nobody to help or care for you in your deepest time of need.

[Shiningtempest]

@DaveJord Marriage is a joke because of volatility & fickleness.

[IveGotNoName]

Why do people make marriage about money? Marriage is about a deeper commitment. It's not about anything else. If you expect to get divorced or are worried about your significant other "stealing" your money, then of course you shouldn't get married.

[DaveJord]

Because your 19 and you ain't worked your whole life and got fucked over. See your falling into the trap... yeah thats how it starts... but you can have all that love and commitment without marriage. 10 years 20 years of marriage people change. You will not be the same person you are at 19 then you will be at 29.

[IveGotNoName]

People make marriage work. If money is such a huge thing for you, maybe it's good you don't want to get married. Money doesn't mean that much to me, with my education path I will be earning quite a bit in the future, but I don't really care if I have to share that. If I get married I'm not thinking about getting divorced.

[DaveJord]

Well you should be but good luck. At 19 you got a lot to learn outside of school.

[IveGotNoName]

At 19 I have a lot of time to decide for myself which life I choose to lead, and what beliefs I am to believe are right for me.

[EmmaMary]

I'm so sorry that you've been dumped.

Wishing you all good luck for the future.

Please do take care and stay safe.

[DaveJord]

Actually I am not looking for sympathy because your assume too much... I filed on her lady.

[EmmaMary]

Thank you for the MHGirl.

[shaysh87]

Haha i can tell you vast majorjty of young women are still looking for marriage as one of their life ideals. Most of us are looking for a man who will legally commit , not some guy wjo says he will commit but will never make it legal in writing. Women want stability. You can't have stability without a husband

[DaveJord]

I would disagree about not having stability without a man... you actually very much could.

But you are right they want legal commitment, and I advise men to be very weary about that.

[shaysh87]

There is no financial stability , emotional stability without marriage. In this world nobody is legally obligated to care for you in your most crucial times of need other than your spouse or children. If you don’t have a spouse or if your kids aren’t grown , you’re pretty much screwed. A girlfriend is not obligated to stay with you when you’re in a wheelchair , but your wife would

[DaveJord]

Honestly a wife is no more obligated than a girlfriend... sorry. Your talking about 1900 - 1950 concept of marriage and that concept is dead.

[shaysh87]

I think you’re delusional. You don’t even under the concept of marriage. If you break your leg and end up in the hospital , your wife will help you pay your hospital bills. Your girlfriend isn’t obligated to even stay with a man with a broken leg

[DaveJord]

Neither is your wife dear... that's not part of the contract with marriage they don't have to live up to there end of the bargain but you still have to pay for it. Its about trust not a piece of paper.

[shaysh87]

There are no garuantees in life. Nobody ever told you there were any garuantees in life. But if you want stability , marriage is the only way to go. There’s nobody out there who would care for you like your family

A similar analogy would be: I would never fall in love because I don’t want to be cheated on or heart broken ever in my life. There’s no garuantee that you will never heartbroken. There’s no garuantee that you will never be cheated on. But yet people still do want to date and fall in love and deeply invest themselves into someone. It’s a risk you have to take when it comes to dating.

[shaysh87]

Just like the risk when it comes to marriage. Every single married person in the world has a chance of being cheated on. Everyone knows that. But yet people take on the risk

[jshm2]

This is why she left you, bucko. You're too much a prick, and your alimony is all that you were worth.

[DaveJord]

Not sure that's a fair assessment... but true point on all she wanted was the money.