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well i neversaw the cookies coming to me so i think women having the key to the cookie cupboard is too far off xD i know both genders face rejection it's not easy for anybody and nobody wins by ridiculing the other genders issues. let's just understand each other and try to make it better for each other xD
Isn't too far off*
Sounds like a plan
Well, it is understandable tough. on average, average guys can get average girls, as it has always been for the majority of people.
However, guys dont really have the same place and value that we once did. We dont have to protect our "herd" from wolves, tigers or even other guys (for the most part)
So we dont really fill into the natural protector role anymore.
As for being a provider, women these days are educated and work jobs. So they can do that for themselves.
Again , it takes away the need for a man.
So basically a man , these days is like an accessory, not a necessity.
Its only natural that a section of women amd society would treat us that way.
Add to that, when you have guys who are below average, bad with women, etc... You cam see how easily one can think je is unwanted/not needed and turn bitter.
Yes, I talk all the time about how female autonomy has changed the dynamic between men-women. Men seem to be quite taken aback about what their role in society is these days.
This debate about what men “offer” outside of protection is rather sad. Men and women assortatively mate in the 21st century. So men and women don’t have to pair up out of necessity. Women want a man for the person that he is, not the stuff that comes along with him. This should be liberating financially, as more and more men can be seen as people and not a means to an end. But to hear some of these men talk, it’s a bad thing.
The rhetoric about “golddiggers” still exists, despite increased financial independence. And the desire for submissive homemakers seems to prevail, despite its lack of relevance in 2017. Men are stuck in a dying age and perhaps they feel left behind. Not all though, because some men are prospering quite well in this environment.
@JustAnotherGirlie facts on facts on facts. It kind of doesn't make sense if you think about. Men scream about women wanting them for the material things that they can offer, but there is still a large percent of them that want that submissive, barefoot and pregnant housewife type of woman that they can control. They want more women to step up and make a move. Be more assertive, they say. But in the same breathe will tell you that they want to be in control. It's mind boggling.
@JustAnotherGirlie & @CHARismatic110
Now , i know i can't speak for all men, but i could say this may be true for a large percentage of men:
The complaining about women wanting us for material things and for them not making the first move or being more assertive, is kind of like a final tantrum guys do when rejected or left behind.
Women take it seriously (which is a good thing, but maybe its not as deep as you imagine).
Men are driven by purpose. It's something that can set us apart from women but also from other men.
Now I don't know if you will agree on this, but im sure at least some women you know will have said that they domt like lazy men. They like active men.
But what makes a guy lazy or active?
A man who has a sense of purpose will never be lazy. He may take a rest day, a day to chill, but he will be working towards his goal the next day.
There is constrant struggle, setbacks, overcoming limitations, growth and victories.
This is what every man wants and seeks. If a guy doesn't
Have it, he will go on to become lazy.
In this world, there is still a lot of things for guys to strive for. Guys can try to become rich, as rich as you can get, guys can strive for power, be as powerful as you can get, you can be the strongest, the fastest. This is what guys can be, and a lot of guys make these or similar things their purpose. Bit for a lot of other guys, its simply not enough. It doesn't set them apart. Maybe they dont want money, they are well off, their friends and family are happy. They may not seek power, no one im their circle is discriminated against or has a taste for power. They may not be interested in being stronger or faster, there are plenty such guys around.
A lot of guys simply dont feel like there's anything left to do (for them at least) , all the countries have been discovered, any adventure has already been done by someone before you, all the wars had been fought for by our predecessors for us.
This is also why a ton of guys LOVE videogames and sports. Sports, especially team sports and videogames give guys a fabricated sense of purpose. You become this guy, the hero, or a member of the team of heroes. You fight against imaginary opponents to win/protect/whatever it is that will happen because of YOUR actions.
In sports, you have your team and the opposite team, but its taken so out of context, like your team is the world, the good guys, and the other guys are the villains that you HAVE to defeat at all costs. Evem tough its just a game, wether you are a participant or an observer, if you idemtify with a team , it becomes a largwr than life experience. Its like you are a part of them. it gives you purpose.
Now i know that there are gamer girls and girls into sports. But im sure even they will be baffled at least occasionally at just how serious guys take these things and how obsessed we can get with them.
Hmmm this is interesting.
I think there’s something to be said for men feeling like they have to accomplish something noteworthy or acheive a certain level of success before feeling worthy. A lot of men look to external things to validate their manhood or their existence. I really wish men could understand that they are people- they aren’t the women they date or the cars they drive or their job or their bank account. You is good enough. You is perfect.
But when we come back to the real world, its like all that exitement fades. Like its all kind boring again. Most of us aren't doing things that gets our hearts racing.
So we may get lazy, less interested, and for some guys we can have a diminished sense of purpose.
Now here's were women come in.
Men see women as people we have to conquer (figuratively, not literally😁), we have to impress you guys, seduce you and win your hearts and respect.
And if we dont have a purpose, no such thing as any real achievements we feel like we are simply not impressive to women.
This is why sometimes you see guys say or feel that they dont deserve their woman, or doubt their attraction to them for no reason.
Even tough, the girl may be totally in love with him.
For guys, the material things such as money, are only material if he doesn't have it and he uses it as an argument/excuse.
A rich man considers his riches as his achievemwnt, as part of him. As such he doesn't consider women who go for his money
As golddiggers, since money is a part of him, he just thinks that they like him.
This may sound ridiculous, but how is it that a lot of rich men marry beautiful women who only want them for their money, sometimes over and over again, even if they get screwed over by such women. They mistake their intentions as love, even if their higher logic argues against it.
Once he does get burned, then reality sets in, and he calls her whatever negative name fits her best.
Its not that men dont want women to love them for who they are themselves, its that guys think of their purpose, and their achievements as the biggest part of themself.
Even guys who do consider such things as material, and titles often fall into the same thinking and behaviour.
I think it all comes down to it, the difference lie within how we percieve ourselves.
My theory goes that women find their sense of self value in others. They want to be liked and looked up to by men, other women, their parents, their partner, their
family, etc.
So even if you get sad , you can get your sense of self brought back to positive , if others treat you well and are good to you.
For men, this really doesn't do much. Wether your friends, family, public like you or not, really doesn't matter when it comes to self value. The only problem is that too much negative rep can get in the way of our goals.
Our primary source of self value is derived from our purpose and the success thereof.
A lot of guys commit suicide, at much higher rates than women. Support groups encourage talking out your feelings, sharing your heart with somebody trustworthy, "getting it out".
I dont think this really works as well for guys. Because you may feel slightly better whem talking your problems out. But at the end of the day if we find ourselves still pretty much useless , them all our problems may make life still not worth living for. Women on the other hand can be helped better with this approach, whem someone validates your feelings and
And accepts your views and listens to you, you may actually feel better after that.
Now i just did the suicide comparison to illustrate my theory.
Again, if a guy calls a girl "materialistic" or a golddigger, its kind of like a child throwing a tantrum because it can't have what it wants.
The truth is, most men probably wouldn't mind a woman being with him for his money, as long as she will never leave, is loyal and overall nice. Its because, in this case we do provide a purpose for her, and we feel like she can loves us for it.
In the same way guys love the concept of a stay at home woman.
If she stays at home, and takes care of the kids, we become the breadwinner. Again, the guy has a legit purpose in life. Its not about putting her down, its about giving the guy a sense of importance
^This is all my opinion, but i can assure you this: no man wants to hear a woman say " i dont need a man." no guy. We want to feel needed.
Its as bad as guys sending dic pics😂😂.
@JustAnotherGirlie lol, i basically just went into my zone, writing out all the ideas i had in my head. Took longer than i expected.
Just saw your reply now.
"A lot of men look to external things to validate their manhood or their existence."
This is true, but like i said, its not as simple as external vs internal, i'd say its more about what you were able to achieve.
For example a guy could validate himself based on the car he drives, or a new medicine he discovered. The second is more of an action , rather than a possession. But it all falls under the kinda "things i did/have " category.
But even if we realize it, we still heavily believe that it defines us.
I thinl that thats just how most guys are programmed.
For example, if you were my woman, and you told me that i was good enough, and that you loved me for just me, if i trusted and loved you, i would ofcourse believe you. Maybe feel better/more secure.
However, as good as that is, it still wouldn't redefine mu sepf worth
*still wouldn't redefine my self worth based on that.
😥😅😂, i know this must be frustrating to any woman trying to cheer her man up, but it just kinda is what it is.
On the other hand, if you said something like " wow, i LOVE how you repaired that broken lamp. You screwed the hell out of it, and now its working!"
it would actually redefine our self worth.
We'd probably have a high self worth for like 48 hours straight.
I know its baffling how the second line had a more uplifting effect than the first, which was supposed to be so much deeper and well intentioned, but ,,,, turns out the effect was different.
@JustAnotherGirlie But thats not true. Men are still the ones doing the hard jobs, its not women who are in the militiary (less then 20% are female), its not women who are police (again less then 20%), its not women working mines, its not women working construction, its not women working on oil rigs, its not women working waste managment etc. etc. etc. Society still demands we do the hard labor, the dangerous jobs (its why 97% of all workplace accidents and deaths are male). Whats happening is that soceity demands that we do all the dangerous and hard work, women demand that we still function as a provider even if its not necessary (statistically women are significantly less likely to marry "down", and when they do they are significantly more likely to cheat/divorce and be unhappy in the relationship when the man is not the provider), but then we are also not given any kind of resepect, we are told we are obsolete despite all of soceity depending on us
@JustAnotherGirlie (statistically women create a net deficit when it comes to taxes, men produce a net gain of about 200x more then women because women use those taxes, get benefits, are far more likely to get medicaid/medicare/social security benefits (because men don't live as long as women do and women in general work fewer hours). So you say its a dying age but the fact is it is men who allow society to function, its not women buildign houses, paving streets, mining metals, inventing, keeping the lights on etc. its men. Then women state they don't need men (but apparently need our labor and money) and that we are the problem. Thats why men are checking out.
@hellionthesagereborn so wait a minute. You’re blaming women for not taking traditonally male jobs? It hasn’t even been that long since women could work in a corporate position as anything other than a secretary. How does that make sense?
We are seeing an increasing number of women in male dominated fields, despite hostile work environments towards integrating more females. It’s happening slowly. You don’t get to prevent women from most higher ranks of society and get mad when you’re doing the most dangerous jobs? Like sir. Hundreds of years can’t be undone in 50 or less.
And for the record, men are complainers. You created this society so if you want women to be drafted then resurrect that bill from 2016 that would’ve allowed women to sign up, for example.
Men are “checking out” because they can’t get by on being mediocre and controlling anymore. Notice how educated men with status aren’t complaining. They have access to women on their level and lower - the ones who don’t are mad
@JustAnotherGirlie No. On both of your assertions. Women could work anywhere they wanted with few exceptions, they just chose not to. Two, I blame women for claiming that men are not needed when in fact we are the ones that create, build, and maintain our entire infrastructure. That was the point, of course your not going to take those jobs, only men will take those jobs because at the tend of the day men are still expected to do what ever it takes to provide for his family even if it means doing hard grueling work or dangerous work to do so. I'm not saying women have to take these jobs, I'm explicitily saying women refuse to take these jobs despite their importance to society and that is why men are not an "accessory", their just treated that way. Women had worked in the past, we have documents dating back to the 1300s listing female blacksmiths, that's complete bull, so please do not make that kind of claim because it cannot be backed by any factual data.
@JustAnotherGirlie We are not seeing an increase in women in male dominated fields and their is no evidence of them being hostile to women, in fact quite the opposite we see hostility from female dominated fields against men and male fields being incredibly accomadating. As for that bill about the draft, first and foremost women cannot function in the military, even when not in front line combat roles women are far more likely to get PTSD comparative to the men who are actually getting shot and blown up, not to mention not being physically capable to do the tasks that are required (which is why they have lower standards then for male soldiers). That combined with the simple fact that it was women who protested the draft the hardest are why that will not happen. So basically we are not "undoing" hundreds of years of "discrimination", we are undoing hundreds of years of balance between the sexes to grossly favor women to an absurd extent that its harming society.
@JustAnotherGirlie As for your claim of "educated" men not complaining, one that's not actually all that accurate, two because we have tailored schools to favor women and have been for several decades, men are being forced out of schools. That's why almost every child diagnosted with a learning disability (mostly ADHD despite the fact that its not a real disorder) and jacked up on drugs to make them more "mellow". Male behavior has been attacked at every level. You say the are mediocre but if that was the case why is it that in order to succeed women have to be given every helping hand they can? We give them grants, scholarships etc, but it wasn't enough, so then we tailored education to their advantage, but that's not enough so now we pressure companies to hire female CEO's despite the fact that they can't do the job (which is why they are statistically more likely to get fired then a male CEO) etc. etc. Your entire premise is wrong and just a sign of how pampered you are.
@JustAnotherGirlie It's not any of that. The corporations and feminists have artificially fixed the situation to the point where both men and women just don't need each-other anymore. However, we still desire love and commitment. As far as I'm concerned, it's either the old way or the MGTOW way. No compromise...
@hellionthesagereborn
" tailored schools to favor women and have been for several decades, men are being forced out of schools. That's why almost every child diagnosted with a learning disability (mostly ADHD despite the fact that its not a real disorder) and jacked up on drugs to make them more "mellow"
I had heard of this a lot. Wow, they actually drug kids for being restless?
I had heard about kids when i was in school, were restless, so they had to go to special classes. From what i knew , those guys (some were friends) were actually pretty cool. They just can't sit still for a long time.
Neither did i actually.
The only difference between them and i was that i actually sat still because maths and science were interesting to me, as a kid.
If they were boring, i would be restless too.
And for a lot of kids, there nothing more boring than math and science.
I remember how i hated car rides, not because i didn't like travelling, but because i couldnt sit still for an hour.
I remember how my mom cut my hair till i was 10, because i couldnt sit still, and my mom was away the barber might injure me, due to my sudden movements.
So, looking back, i think its all bs and tought of wrongly.
I think school is not a natural environment for boys. You're not supposed to sit still for more than an hour.
You are supposed to run around amd exhaust yourself. If you dont, a lot of boys are gonna end up with too much extra energy they can't get rid off, which is why they are restless
That's the problem, schools use to be tailored for boys, they understood that we need to be able to move, they understood we where competitive not cooperative etc. etc. then they altered it to be more favorable for girls and then more women got into schooling and made it more and more and more tailored for girls until the point where boys are no longer welcome. Look at the statistics, not just the ones about learning abilities (which again most are bullshit), boys are 4x more likely to drop out then girls at all schooling levels, they get lower grades on test DESPITE having the same answers as girls, boys are more likely to suffer disciplinary actions even for minor things (a second grader was expelled because he made believed his pop tart was a laser gun), 37% of all college graduates are male and that number is dropping despite the fact that we have an ever increasing push to get more women into school and colleges. Its completely stacked against males.
@hellionthesagereborn thats some major bs society is indulging in. Whats supposed to be the gain from this?
"female empowerment". Basically they started with the false premise of women as victims and then went from their. Some suggest that this was an attempt by industrialist to increase revenue by encouraging women to work by claiming it was a "privilege"(because really how many people have a career vs. a job? Not many.) and from their encouraging women to take on male roles to effectively increase the amount of workers they had access to and/or to increase the amount that was spent (since historically almost all families only had one income vs. today where we have two primarily). Some say it was for the benefit of the government so that they could double taxes (which explains the rapid inflation of the cost of living and home buying), and so by pushing women into traditionally male roles they could do this (though it obviously back fired if this is the case as men are now being pushed out). Others claim it was done to destabilize our society by screwing with our system that worked
for thousands of years. Honestly I don't know, I think what happened is with the increase of wealth women began wanting to take on new jobs, since industry reduced their work loads so much, and as such they began to get more involved in various occupations and men being accomdating towards women slowly began catering to women in these settings. Eventually women who already (it was around the civil war when women started to become far more prominent as teachers) made up a large majority of teachers began to lean towards women (with the push of feminism and the idea of female "empowerment") which made them increasingly more focused on the girls then the boys and this is why we are seeing boys being pushed out of education, both as students and teachers. But who knows if that's really the case or not. Either way its horribly destructive and society is going to suffer for it whether we agreed with it or not.
@hellionthesagereborn yeah, true.
There needs to be someone to address this issue for boys, and make schools more boy friendly
Several people are (Dr. Warren Farrell has done some stuff about it, Cristina Hoff Sommers has also spoken out about it), its just not getting any traction because femininst shut them down, society thinks men don't have issues and biologically we are built to take mens issues less seriously and be more apathetic to their various plights.
@hellionthesagereborn yeah. I habe seen christina's videos on this
Maybe overweight you should be looking within and the in good shape guys who have never done anything wrong should blame women who lead them on stomp on their hearts and only wanna be friends with benefits and cheat on the and so on and so forth, and yeah, women do hold the keys to the cookie cupboard, this isn't new information. Unless you are being raped, you, the woman, decide whether sex happens or not, and because of slut culture (which women ultimately hold up the final barrier against) we have what we have. Women are more brainwashed and manipulated than men, because men are manipulated through women. It's not you're fault, you are targeted, but you need to take steps to fix it. Not saying men aren't sluts too just saying women have the power to stop it.
Sure thing bud
if you could let me know which part you disagree with I'd be forever grateful
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Yes but to be fair, I see a lot of women who bitch about men here. People need to stop the finger pointing and tribalism based around gender.
Yeah
You just contradicted yourself within your own comment. You just blamed women then tried to whip back and say it isn't a gender thing.
Can't say I've noticed a major difference between the genders when it comes to crying and bitching on this site. And I think so long as there are women in here crying about all men being cheating assholes and pigs, there can be men whining about not getting any attention from those gold digging bitches that every woman is. Better they went off here than actually do something in real life about it, because that might actually inconvenience others.
Goal digging bitch* 😉
Well that is a nicer way to put it, but I don't think the men who assume that of every woman care.
Yeah exactly.. LOL..
"But it's not nearly as rampant, vile, or malicious as some of the things you guys spew.".. Don't necessarily agree that but other than that.. I don't disagree with this myTake.. Just that the execution could have been.. Better..
I free wrote this. You're welcome to execute one of your own tho. Be interesting to see it from a male perspective.
LOL.. Aw yeah I imagine that that's how all takes are.. Free writin.. But yeah.. I'm good.. :P..
Lol not mine. Not usually anyway. They're usually thought about in advance bwfore I start writing and putting things together. But yeah, I didn't think you would 😏
Aw okie true enough.. LOL.. & I would if I wrote myTakes, or wanted to make a statement about this.. But, I do neither so yeah.. :P..
Lol fair enough.
Really good take. I agree, but I do think women are guilty too, as is everyone sometime or other, but recently I've seen so much crap about blaming women for this shit!
Oh women are for sure guilty of it too and I said that. I see some questions from us ladies that make me roll my eyes extra hard lol
I think pretty much everybody is almost always guilty of this, and most people are EGREGIOUSLY guilty most of the time, but each gender wants to make it a gender issue, when it's not.
I don't disagree that we all have been guilty of it at one point or another.
Yeah, but here you're kind of attacking men about it, so you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, and I think you really should acknowledge your hypocrisy, because it's quite annoying.
First of all, I'm not attacking anyone. Second of all, I flat out said that women are guilty of soing the same thing! I said that men are more vile about it, because IN MY OPINION they are. Its quite annoying that y'all are ignoring that and STILL whining and bitching. That's what's fucking annoying.
Oh, okay, well I just simply disagree with that opinion.
I feel that most women are vicious and cruel all the time and don't recognize it when they are the ones doing it, but are acutely OVERSENSITIVE to slights from everyone else, and they use tiny causes to justify massive retaliatory wars and then actually believe that the other side started it. And when men behave that way, they're being a bit womanly. In touch with the WRONG feminine side.
Men have our bad sides just as well, but we don't cover it up NEARLY as much and least of all to ourselves, we know about our bad traits and we try to make ourselves better, most girls hide, deny, escape, evade, and go on pretending to be perfect and justified in every way.
That's what's FUCKIN' annoying, in my unsolicited opinion.
But hey, you know, maybe I'm wrong.
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Yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree because the picture you paint of men is all rainbows and sunshine and... yeah, no lol. But you're entitled to your opinion.
This is so good! Great Take!!!
Thanks girl!
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Likewise, YOU shoulds take a chill-pill about slandering men. Frankly, it's all a tempest in a teapot, to me. but the very things you complain about in your post (over-generalizing, exaggerating, rushing to judgement, etc) are sins you are guilty of, too, in that same post. Pot, meet kettle. Sorry; call 'em like i see him.
Sure you do.
At my age, there's no reason not to! :)
"Dear men, stop whining about women"
*Writes an entire mytake whining about men*
Precisely.
what g0es around comes around
@MsMusic And that works both ways. If you don't want men to whine about women then you better not be whining about men yourself or you're nothing but a hypocrite and the exact same type of person as the people you're whining about.
Hahahaha... cookie cupboard huh...
You know... i wouldn't mind that crack at "women should be wiped off the planet" bit lol... That would be something. That there might bring actual world peace lol... instead of a bunch of cunts in glittery bras and a thong so far up their ass crack, they can't hold their breath.
I always say both sides have their flaws.
Says the guy with the ass fetish that's always drooling over "cunts" in thongs.
LOl... Jesus fucking Christ !
@Alpha89s don't even pay this one any mind.
But he is a good guy !!! i watched his takes before ! not some mgtow shit...
@Alpha89s lol good guy? No. And he'll tell you that himself. He's pretty much MGTOW without the title. And if you've read his Takes before then I don't know how you didn't get that lol. It's pretty much what he wrote here... on steroids.
Lol... his intentions is to make fun of both genders extremists... I think this is the best way to remove feminism and mgtow forever.
@Alpha89s lol ok... sure
i drool? didn't know that.
Like a fucking dog.
most problems are actually caused by men like wars, famine, etc..
@cross98 yes because the women are very peaceful ! lol
you can't have a female friend for 3 straight years... give me a break lol
@Alpha89s You can't have a guy friend for 3 straight years unless he wants to make a cum rag out of you in the end, especially if you're a pretty girl.
@cross98 I'm talking about friendship between the same sex !!!
we male friends have much strong bonds than your jealous and envious friendship.
And ofcourse a man wanna fuck you... what did you expect? LOL
A male friendship is :
Dude : hey, you are ugly motherfucker !
Another dude : thanks, you are ugly too !
Both of them laughing and saying : We are both ugly Hahaha.
A female friendship is :
Woman : hey you are so beautiful !
Another woman : thanks, you too !
Both of them whisper to themselves : I hate that bitch...
See the difference !
@Alpha89s I didn't know you were a female...
@Alpha89s I've been friends with my best friends for 19 and 17 years tho.
@CHARismatic110 Ofcourse there are exceptions tho... I'm talking about the general notion.
@Alpha89s I didn't know you were the statistic king... :/
@cross98 Well... that's the general observation hun.! lol
Yeah this is sorta true. This site has a lot of bitter people. Although I haven't ever been rejected, I have to agree with them on one point: girls do have a little more power in the dating world. Other than that, though, they really shouldn't be so bitter about it. It's not impossible to get in a relationship.
Damn, that's a lot of frustration. Are you sexually frustrated? ;)
Nope. I'm pretty good actually. Was wondering how long it would be before someone said this tho lol.
All I hear from you is :
Lmao that's kinda what I wanna do every time I come across one of those rants so... points for that!
"Men seem to have this notion that women are in total control of the dating world. We hold the "keys to the cookie cupboard"
Well in a sense, you kinda are. Considering men have to make the first move socially speaking. I have seen so many GAG posts of "how do I get this guy to approach me" when women can do it too. We get rejected a lot, sorry if some of us get a little bitter over it
Rejection isn't fun. I know this. I've been there. I get it.
I think most of the frustration towards women comes from the lack of clear communication about expectations that each gender has. Women feel like guys place ridiculous standards on them, while men feel like women kind of expect their guy to be a jack of all trades. The anger comes from the fact that we put in work to please you and then get rejected for what ever reason. Somewhere along the line men stopped being taught how to handle a woman, and we started taking rejections personally.
Ok... good morning to you too
Lmaooo my favoriteeee
I totally agree. Finding the right person is all about timing and actually developing a better love and understanding about yourself.
Yesss!!!