Should Planned Parenthood offer free paternity tests?

[AleDeEurope]

Yes

No

[Blitzkrieger]

no, not for free. i believe it should be low cost on only one condition. that the father can legally get a paternity test without the mothers consent. now the mother needs to consent to it or the father needs to have court orders. thats a bit silly dont you think? if you suspect a child is really yours or a child is not yours you shouldn't need the mothers consent to prove it.

[flypaper]

So anyone should be able to get a child's DNA tested?

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper only the mother and the father should be able to do that. not just only the mother and the courts.

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper if the mother appoints a father that is not the biological father that man should too have the authority to ask for a paternity test. needless to say, if a woman appoints the wrong man on purpose she has to be stupid to consent to a paternity test also. this man would now have to pay child support for the coming months, possibly years until it is proven he is not the father. of course he has to go to court and this can take a long time. do you think a woman should hold such power? i believe not. theoretically a woman can open a phone book and appoint a random man as the biological father, he now has to pay child support if the mother files for it until he can prove that he is not the biological father, needless to say if a woman appoints a random man as the father and also files for child support she is not going to consent to a paternity test. should this poor man not have the power to ask for a paternity test so that he can be saved from all this trouble?

[flypaper]

So if she says someone is the father but someone else thinks he could be he should just beable to get the child tested with no parental consent? What if only the mother is listed on the Birth Certificate? Since only the mother is listed and guy who is interested in the DNA of the child can have it tested? I think a guy should be able to get a DNA test before paying but f he drags it out and it turns out he is then he'll probably owe back pay. If a guy is listed as the father then he should be able to test the child or have the child tested, if he's not then that gets alittle sticky and that's were the courts really should be involved.

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper yeah i agree. maybe it is better to test the children by default at the hospital? sometimes babies are given to the wrong parents so that problem would be out of the way as well.

[flypaper]

Yeah but then who is paying for that? I sure as crap wouldn't be.

I see no problem having it be elected. If you have any doubts then get the child tested. When your not married you have to sign something before you are put on the Birth Certificate she can't just lest you (at least in Philly) so refuse and ask for a DNA test then & have your name put on the birth cert once the results are in.

[flypaper]

At least in PA I meant...

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper i believe paternity fraud should be illegal. Cheap DNA tests should be possible. If we can vaccinate children we can DNA test them also.

[flypaper]

Vaccinations protect the child though... DNA tests are pointless if you already know who both parents are... it's pointless testing most of the time... if you are unsure then order one yourself. I do agree they should be cheaper & guys shouldn't sign anything before getting one if they have any doubts.

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper "I do agree they should be cheaper & guys shouldn't sign anything before getting one if they have any doubts." i agree with that but often that means going to court to get one.

[flypaper]

So what do you think is the better route paying 18 years on a kid that isn't yours or going to court? If you can love the child regardless then the DNA doesn't matter but if the paternity is important court is better then being strapped to and resenting a chiold because you didn't want to have to do anything that might be alittle difficult. Normally a women will say okay to a DNA test or even demand one because if you don't sign the papers you don't have to help them out fininically or any other way...

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper i dont know if this is true in all cases but sometimes if you are married you have no other choice to be financially responsible. It depends on the law.

[flypaper]

You can push for a paternity test while she's pregnant and file for divorce... then you'll have a foot to stay on fighting wise... I knew one person who did this and was fine, owed nothing but actually ended up remarrying and adopting the baby later.. paternity didn't turn out to matter as much as he thought it would and they ended up having 3 more kids together. I however know another guy who tried the same thing and got himself a nasty divorce he realized he didn't even want and ended up paying childcare... so be sure because women don't take kindly to being called unfaithful...

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper if we could only get a DNA test while the kid is still in there.

[flypaper]

See that's the thing, you absolutely can. It used to be invasive (in the past it was anyway I heard it's not so much anymore). The invasive way should need to sign off on by the Mother since she is part of the procedural and can cause complications but the less invasive way you shouldn't and you should be able to get a court order very easily (which they can be pretty speedy about in these cases).

[Blitzkrieger]

@flypaper i see. I hope we have this in my country.

[flypaper]

NIPP is what the non-invasive way is called Non-Invasive Prenatal Paternity and it is actually the most accurate way to aestablish paternity before the child is born...

[jacquesvol]

I think that under privacy laws you can 't do a paternity test using genetic material you collected yourself. Thus the guy will have to be there with the baby.
(In France you could go to jail for a 'savage' paternity test.)

Should it be free? Planned Parenthood might have more urgent priorities to spend it's resources on.

[snowangle]

I voted yes, but I didn't think the question through first. Maybe they should offer very low cost paternity tests. I could be wrong but I don't think any of their other health services are totally free.

[Sami365]

No, only because Planned Parenthood is always in jeopardy of being closed down by Republicans. They deal with enough already. If I knew they were completely safe from them, then yes.

[EvilAngel114]

No... people just need to stop hoeing around and then they wouldn't have to wonder who the baby's father is. 🙄

[flypaper]

Low cost and affordable, yes. a lot of their stuff may be on a sliding income scale but most things aren't free...

[smahala1991]

yes they do so much more than abortions and birth control. I heard today on the radio they also offer help for finding health insurance for women and children, offer cancer screenings, mammograms, pap smear and other services too.

[Ladyslipper]

Even tho I think that's promoting being a slut it would surely solve a lot of problems

[AleDeEurope]

How is it promoting being a slut?

[Ladyslipper]

Like.."Tired of sleeping with the same boring guy every month? Well now you dont have too! Sleep with anyone and never worry if you don't know who the father is, get your paternity test for free!"

[AleDeEurope]

Lol ok, got it hahaha

[samhradh_leannan]

Yes, absolutely, assuming that they're in a position to offer services for free.

[emileew00d96]

I mean they offer other things they may offer that as well. It could help a lot of people out.

[PT1911]

How about I keep more of my money and it stays out of people's personal affairs?

Put that money towards ingrastructure, cops, firemen, etc etc

[teawrecks]

They should offer a more affordable option for one.

[ProjectBaby1K]

Yes, paternity fraud is a scam.

But unfortunately even if you aren't the father of the child there is legislation that obligate you to pay child support, so that won't really fix much.

[flypaper]

Once you sign yeah you are usually stuck so if you are in doubt don't sign anything until after the child is tested. She can't just put you on the birth cert. if your not married you have to fill out paperwork don't, order a dna then. If you sign as the father of the child then you will be held accountable as one unless someone else gets the child tested and they are the father and fight you on it... other then that yeah your probably stuck... so don't sign if you have doubts.

[ProjectBaby1K]

You're right about that, the man is stuck for child support if he signs the document for "acknowledgement of paternity". BUT even if the circumstances are different, you can still get stuck. If the man brings the child into his home and cares for the child as his own, the man is obligated to pay child support.

For ex: I date a single mother in the future, they move in with me. When we break up and they have to leave, she can file for child support and the government will obligate me to pay.

[flypaper]

I don't think so... if you get married and there is no father listed on his birth certificate then the court may go after you if you divorce if she tries to use welfare but I'm even doubtful of that. If you adopt the child you will be held accountable for the child though even if things don't work out t, they are legally your kid.

[ProjectBaby1K]

Yes it's true, family courts look after the mother and make their assessments for child support according to "what is in the child's best interest" regardless of whether the one ordered to pay is the biological father, legal parent, guardian or not. Look it up

If you don't want to look it up here's a link for you. To show you state how the court orders child support
- www.reference.com/.../pay-child-support-m-baby-s-birth-certificate-6325f76be21c0e75

Even in Canada you can't escape "paternity fraud"
- www.justice.gc.ca/.../obligat.html

[flypaper]

read the first link and this is what I said... you going out with a women and having her breakup with you does not mean you now need to pay or take care of her child. I have known a lot of guys who have dated and even married women with kids and they never owed anything afterwards as far as child support goes unless they adopted the child as their own. If he signs acknowledging paternity, he is held responsible regardless if he is found to not be later... because he already agreed that he was... so when in doubt test before just signing things. Also being married to the mother is the same thing you are found to automatically be the parent... if your unsure then go about getting DNA testing done when she is married and go to court and let them know what's up so that your name won't be placed on the birth certificate unless you don't care and have already started to bond with the idea of the child so the DNA just doesn't matter as much.

[ProjectBaby1K]

Read my first link, it doesn't matter if you're the biological father, or if you sign anything. If the state deems you financially secure enough and that child enters your home, then you're liable to catch child support.

- From the first link:
"Depending on the state, someone who invites the child into his home and holds the child out as his own may be required to pay child support."

The only way you'll get away is if you have some sort of problem (alcoholic, abusive, etc) OR if you're dead broke already. Those are the guys you know that don't pay CS, the broke ass losers that your single mother friends settle for.

[flypaper]

Yeah I think that is total malarkey... from what I got from the over all message is exactly what I said... don't sign anything before a DNA test and if in doubt and married do it before the baby is born and file for divorce. There is no way that the whole letting someone live with you means you pay for their kids afterwards thing holds water if brought to court... I can't even see how it would be addresses in the first place unless you got in the habit of acting as their father and want visitation afterwards... which I know a guy who does this but he does it WILLINGLY and was told in court by the judge that he is free to do that of his own free will and a stand up gesture but he shouldn't feel like he has to.

But to each their own.

Doesn't sound like you
'd be into dating single moms anyway so this isn't even an issue for you...

[ProjectBaby1K]

No man in his right mind who can do better would date a single mom and raise another man's child. & I can find you multiple videos of news coverage on this, the man with zero affiliation to the child having to pay CS, if you still don't believe me. Youtube it.

[flypaper]

Oh that's fine I prefer to rely on things I've seen in real life (guy was hot and loaded but was in her life since 2 and saw her as his kid, loved and wanted to take care of her) but thanks!

[flypaper]

Not every person puts money above people and DNA usually isn' the most important thing in a relationship. I also know a guy whop 2 bio kids and one adopted who si far closer and has a far better bond with the adopted child. Doesn't sound like that's for you though which is fine so just date women with no kids... problem solved... your really young so that shouldn't be too hard.

[ProjectBaby1K]

Let's be honest here no man that is hot and loaded will take care of a child that isn't his, let alone date a single mom, that's not real life 😂

The hot and loaded guys go for the youngest (18-20 yr olds) and hottest, child-free, baggage-free chicks they can get.

[flypaper]

We'll we def. run around with far different kinds of people then because it's not fat fetched at all where I live and the people I know. I know a few women who have stepped into the mother role for kids that weren't biologically there as well... it seems far easier if the other parent isn't in the picture. But yeah we won't agree here since we obviously know different people, are in different phases of their lives and probably vastly different places. Have a good one sir!

[flypaper]

*far fetched not fat fetched-lol

[JamielovesKU]

Yes Because its important to know who the father is

[SlitherySnake]

No. It wouldn't be free. Someone has to pay for it.

[Jrossetti]

Yes, paternity fraud is a terrible crime that can ruin lives

[legalboxers]

Yes but the party of no wants to get rid of Planned Parenthood.

[fauchelevent]

Meh, sure, that sounds good.

[ChocoLada]

Yes, of course it should.

[1truekhaleesi]

Yeah at least an affordable one

[Bandit74]

They should, but they won't.

[disgustingweebtrash]

They should be mandatory

[helloitsmethere]

I thought they already did that?

[AleDeEurope]

No, they don't. I don't think they even offer paternity tests. I know legal paternity tests are hundreds of $

[snowangle]

Really? I saw one in a store, don't think it was more than $40

[AleDeEurope]

@snowangle But those ones aren't valid in court.

[Waffles731]

why not

[BronzedAdonis]

why not

[lumberman9]

Yes.

[QuietRunner]

Yes and free condoms