Were the ancient Egyptians Black? Was Queen Cleopatra Black like she's portrayed in the Netflix documentary?

[Anonymous]

[MrOracle]

No. This is leftist propaganda and revisionist history. Many of these same people are currently furious that Japan dares to release movies about 16th century Japanese culture that excludes black characters and black actors. Because we know that 16th century Japan was positively full of black Africans...

Google Gemini's "George Washington"

Google Gemini's "Viking"

Google Gemini's "Na zi"

Did you see all those pictures that Google's Gemini AI Image Generator was creating a couple of weeks ago? The people at Google who programmed it were so "woke" that they systematically refused to generate pictures of white people, even historical white people, and it literally turned everyone black. Google was forced to block it because they were being so badly ridiculed - but this wasn't just some accident or some AI that went rogue - it was INTENTIONAL BIAS that had been purposely programmed into the AI to intentionally "change the narrative" of history. They just thought it would be more subtle and would thus be more readily accepted.

No one is saying that black people weren't a part of history - of course they were - but they weren't part of EVERY NATION'S history in EVERY ERA. But that's what some are trying to get people to believe. Most recently, people are trying to say that Ludwig van Beethoven, the 18th century German composer, was black, despite countless contemporary drawings and paintings that depict him looking European. Imagine, a European looking European!

This insane revisionism is widespread in colleges, even among professors and faculty, because it's part of the woke agenda that most colleges have fully embraced, along with the trans agenda. Do not be fooled and don't be swayed just because the person saying this crap might be "someone in authority" because many of them are completely crazy, have no grounding in fact or reality, but can't be fired because they have tenure.

George Orwell told us this was going to happen - that the government would be constantly revising history for the sake of political correctness - and here we are.

[ManOnFire]

Being black, I agree. Even I thought it was ridiculous when they created black Hobbits for the TV show.

However, there are instances of black people being present in parts of history that whites and other cultures don't really want to acknowledge. Like how black Africans actually sailed up to pre-medieval England thousands of years ago and saw Hadrian's wall and whatnot, and Anglo figures even wrote about meeting them. Black Africans also settled in ancient China as well, and the Chinese themselves are starting to acknowledge this.

[MrOracle]

@ManOnFire That's REAL history, and in my opinion it would be great to have a movie about that. One of my favorite relatively recent movies was Hidden Figures - that was a great story and gave black women some well-deserved recognition. The Tuskegee Airman was another great movie along somewhat similar lines. Plenty of people would be genuinely interested in more movies like those.

But the people I'm talking about aren't much interested in REAL black history, because REAL black history doesn't destroy white history in the process, and that's their REAL goal.

Real history doesn't always paint white people in the best light either, but I want the truth - warts and all. It's just as important to acknowledge our weaknesses and failings as it is our strengths and triumphs - that's true for everyone.

[ManOnFire]

Yep, all that is entirely true.

[Phoenix98]

Yeah there were no black nazi's. there were black German WW1 veterans though but that was before the whole Nazi ideology took over.

[MrOracle]

@ManOnFire It's despicable the way the left is trying to divide people. I've been around black people (and other races) my whole life, and it never made any difference to me or to really anyone I knew - people are people, and we all got along. 2016 comes around, and they are trying to pretend that all white people hate black people and that all black people are oppressed. And they're doing their best to bring back segregation! MLK must be spinning in his grave.

We could all be doing so many other important things to improve everyone's situation, but yet we're stuck re-fighting against ACTUAL racism against people who think that past racism justifies current and future racism, when the real solution is to have one set of rules for everyone, enforced evenly.

[ManOnFire]

@MrOracle To be fair, a lot of "woke"-ism began around 2016 because of the Trump wave. It just alarmed a lot of people that such a man was being loved in turn by a lot of other people. Trump was saying all manner of racist and sexist things, and many people were still supporting him. Which was what troubled people more than the man himself actually being president. And I can understand that, but woke-ism is not entirely the right answer.

[MrOracle]

@ManOnFire Was he? Or were you just listening to the media insist that he was? The mainstream media intentionally took everything he said out of context and spun everything he said as much as they could to push their own narrative, but I think if you went back and read his actual words, in the full context and not just phrases clipped out of a whole sentence, you'll see that he wasn't. At least, not nearly to the extent that the media claimed. I'm not saying the guy was perfect, but if he said "the sky is a beautiful blue today" the media would have immediately said "Trump is anti-cloud, invites droughts!"

[ManOnFire]

Trump talked about grabbing women "by the pussy." Clearly recorded with Bully Bush interviewing him. Trump made fun of disabled people openly at one of his rallies. He also said the racists at the Charlottesville clashes were also heroes. He suggested early in his campaign that Latino men are rapists. He also said war veterans were "losers and suckers."

Even in the 80s the guy caught fire for not letting black people get rooms in one of his hotels.

[MrOracle]

He DID make the "grab 'em" remark. The other examples you have sited have all been thoroughly debunked, and in at least one case a retraction was eventually printed, but this is exactly what I was talking about. The media created these narratives by framing the story in a way that no one actually present would agree to, and then they all repeated the story on every show, every day, for months, until people believe it really happened. It's exactly what Deadspin tried to do when it accused that young Kansas City Chiefs fan of wearing blackface - because he had his face painted in the team colors, and they intentionally only showed him from the side.

All you need to do to prove what I say is watch the FULL video - every one of these was on video - and listen to the context. Then you will understand how a few words can be taken out of context and assigned a completely different meaning by dishonest activists.

[ManOnFire]

I'll take a look, but the one for certain is him mocking disabled kids.

[NamerOfStars]

No and no, respectively. Cleopatra wasn't even Egyptian; she was Greek. There are actually coins depicting her; we obviously don't know how accurate the image is, but assuming it's reasonably so, she looked pretty much like a Greek woman of the era would've.

Now, the ancient Egyptians would've looked Mediterranean- not so different from the Greeks, at least in terms of skin color. In fact, you can SEE how they looked by looking at their descendants, the Copts of modern Egypt. They're an ethnic minority now, but they're still around. Dark-skinned people- what usually gets called "black"- are generally from (or descended from, natch) further south in Africa. Would some of them have come to Egypt? Sure- but not in mass numbers. Remember that the Sahara is a desert that means it, and that part of the success of Egypt stemmed from the fact that the land surrounding its cities was so damn inhospitable; exile generally meant death, and it was functionally impossible to invade by land.

[Miah04]

Ancient egyptians yes.

Cleopatra no.

The original Egyptians were black.

Cleopatra was white. She was from the greek dynasty called Ptolemaic.

Over they years with greeks moving in to ancient Egypt they began marrying and procreating, then later it was the Romans. So that is how we have the current race of egyptians we have now.

[Asker]

Yes, a lot of Egyptians (from Southern Egypt and Nubia) are black and there was a dynasty of black Pharaohs too in Egypt (the Kushites), that's why I asked

[Miah04]

Exactly. Tbh at this point probably most people in the European Asian areas would be surprised about dna testing. With all the countries and people who conquered lands back and forth usually had many people who settled and intermingled with people from these lands. I doubt anyone really has true black, true European dna. They probably have a mix of cultures in their dna.

[7Phoenix7]

Well according to scientific/ archeological evidence, many ancient Egyptians were indeed black. But cleopatra was was of Greek decent..

[Asker]

Oh, I see
Thank you for your answer

[7Phoenix7]

You're welcome

[RavVid]

Cleopatra was Macedonian girl and Ptolemy (one of Alexanders general) married a Persian girl to start this dynasty. They practiced incest with brother marrying sister. The angle Netflix chose to exploit politically was that it is not known explicitly who her most immediate forebears were.

Their logic was... we don't know... it could have been... therefore it was. The exact logic used in every mockery of a documentaries proving space beings and giants.

It was OK Julius Ceasar having a side chick but it wasn't OK for him to divorce his good Roman wife for a bint. It was also quite threatening as Egypt was rich country. Cleo wasn't popular in Rome as it helped position Julius towards becoming a dictator.

If Cleo was black it would have been remarked upon. Rome wasn't unaware of skin color - they had 8 generic names for skin tone. Cleo was described as white. Images did not show afro features.

We do know what Egyptians look like in 300 B because they had started making life like mummy portraits. You can google Fayum mummy portraits. Very few (but some) show a dark skin. Most are olive brown and some fair skinned.

No Cleo VII was not black.

There were black Pharoahs but she wasn't one of them.

[AaronKrieger]

They probably looked similar to how Egyptians do today where they have an olive complexion that can easily brown or look yellowish if pale.

As for Cleopatra, she is Macedonian and her family exclusively was with Greek women to my knowledge. She likely had a tax complexion. I wouldn't be surprised if she was a little mixed, but I doubt it was enough to influence her skin complexion.

Anyway, that's my opinion, but I bet there's places like Reddit with people who know about this than I do on it. I would look there.

[AaronKrieger]

a tan complexion*

[Asker]

Yeah that makes sense. Most people in this question also say the same. Thanks for sharing your opinion

[ManOnFire]

So yes and no, except for Cleopatra being black, she was Macedonian, a descendant of Ptolemy. The ancient Egyptians were actually a hybrid society, comprised of black skinned people who came from neighboring Cush and Punt (now Ethiopia), and also Hittites who were fairer skinned. In fact it was a thing among Egyptians to marry the opposite: dark going with light, and vice versa. Queen Tiye who was black, was loved greatly by her fair-skinned pharaoh husband Amenhotep III.

[Still-alive]

They were likely olive skinned but race distinctions as we are familiar with today weren’t a thing back then

From left to right: greek, nubian (northern sudan), middle eastern, egyptian.

[Still-alive]

And cleopatra was greek so its likely she had white skin.

[Asker]

StillAlive is on the site? What an honor
Thank you for your answer

[Siri137]

Queen Cleopatra was a direct descendent of the founder of the dynasty that then ruled Egypt, the Ptolemies. They were GREEK, ergo WHITE. Anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot.

[Asker]

Yes, her father was a member of the Ptolemy dynasty. We don't know a lot about her mother though (she could have had some Egyptian blood through her mother). Of course this doesn't mean she looked Sub-Saharan ancestry

[Smashingdoozy]

Cleopatra was of Greek decent. There's no evidence that she was black or even partially black.

Racial classifications as we know today weren't really a thing until the 17th/18th century. Using modern terms for historical figures ruins the whole point of learning about history.

[Phoenix98]

Lol no ancient Egyptians were not black. That whole Netflix documentary is nothing but stupid political twisting of history.

In fact that documentary has led to native Egyptians historians and history experts coming out and disproving what the documentary says is historically correct.

[sheikalana]

Queen Cleopatra wasn't black nor egyptian. She was greek/macedonian so chances are she had fair skin. The north of Africa has never been predominantly black. Egyptians may have tanned skin but they're not black.

[jennifer_bloom]

The pyramids display the pharaohs as having reddish skin with their wives slightly paler than themselves.

[laly520]

she wasn't black

netflix is an extreme n toxic streaming platform

tryna project only one type all time

[WhitneySnow]

She was part Greek, but we don’t know anything about her mother. So yeah, she could’ve been part Black or part ancient Egyptian.

[Anonymous]

Suggest the Cleopatra was black to Egyptians and you had best be able to run far and fast, they would take it as an insult. It is a product of The Intersectional/Identitarian Woke Mob produced by the American "Higher Education System" who have joined the Main Stream Media attempting a revision of history.

[Anpu23]

No they were Mediterranean like most people who live near that area.

[Kelly6]

she was Greek.

Today's education has hit rock bottom

[Anonymous]

Cleopatra was white. She was a Ptolemy. That family was Greek. The Greeks conquered Egypt before the Roman's.

The rest of the Egyptians have the typical. middle eastern olive skin.

[QuietRunner]

no she was Greek

[strateguy632]

no n no

[Kristierose]

Black is everything that people want