The Problems With Feminism and How It Can Improve

[Shezadi]

I am not a feminist. However, I am not afraid to stand up for the truth and I am not afraid to speak against what's wrong. I just don't want a label for myself. This is because labels come with stereotypes. I believe modern feminism has become a joke and definitely needs some improvement and self-reflection.

Modern feminism is no longer about real issues or serious issues, just petty debates like
1. why girls play with barbie dolls
2. why girls wear pink
3. why girls wear princess costumes
4. why heroes save women in films
5. why boys do bike stunts
6. why women cook
7. why photoshop is used
8. why magazines tell women how to dress, how to wear make-up, how to cook

My reaction is "no one is forcing a customer to buy a magazine," and in terms of Photoshop, "no one is forcing a woman to become a model." Then, there are petty debates on almost EVERYTHING you can think of. There are debates about topless rights, and my reaction is "why can't we debate on something more serious like human beings starving, dying and being homeless?"

It is good to question things but there is a limit to everything. It should not become an insanity. Also, many women have a victim mentality for NO reason. Many women don't even know the real definition of a "victim," "serious cause," and "feminism." It is like anyone who moans is a "feminist" and a lot of people are "rebels without a cause."

Now, since I am moaning about the fact feminism is not putting its energy, time and efforts on serious causes, I want to give examples of "serious" causes.

1. Female infanticide
2. Forced marriage
3. Domestic abuse
4. Child marriages
5. Young girls as young as 7 getting kidnapped and murdered
6. Human trafficking
7. Flesh trade, women forced into prostitution
8. Dowry
9. Rape victims beings shamed and abandoned by the society just for being victims
10. Women not getting child custody- a husband has no right to snatch his children from their mother, children need their mother more, and a mother has more right on her children than a father because she carries the child in her womb for 9 months and give birth.

11. Women not getting divorced because they have no support from their families and are not financially independent
12. Women who are not allowed to have love marriage
13. Acid attacks (in one case a 15 year old got acid attack by her own parents just for staring at a guy)
14. Women getting murdered for saying no to a relationship or marriage
15. Honor Killings (women getting murdered for committing adultery, for getting in a relationship against their parent's wish) Yes, I know the word adultery does not exist in the western world but it still does in other worlds.

16. Women getting stoned for having extra-marital affairs.
Even though extra-marital affair is wrong but no one deserves to be murdered, the man can move the fuck on and divorce.

A lot of innocent women can be accused of cheating and a lot of rape victims are accused of lying and committing adultery. A lot of people believe that the punishment for adultery should be 100 lashes, and I am like one day they might say 200 lashes for getting drunk.

Even though I am a Muslim, an Asian and from a conservative family and society, I am not ashamed to highlight issues that Asian, Muslim and conservative women face. Recently, I heard about a woman getting shot by her brother just because she tried to run away with her boyfriend and she was not allowed to have a boyfriend in the name of fucking honor. Still, there were people almost trying to justify this including my own family members.

Her boyfriend got jailed, this shows that even the legal system even the police is backward. A boyfriend got jailed just for being a boyfriend and just for running away with his girlfriend. A lady got murdered just for falling in love and her boyfriend got jailed just for falling in love. I feel IMMENSE SADNESS and I feel like tearing up and crying because two lovers got separated and they had their entire lives ahead and they must have had beautiful dreams, plans and hopes for their future like everybody else.

Even in 2018, human beings especially women are not free to live their OWN lives. This makes me question, is the world really modern or do we still have a long way to go? Even though I am a Muslim, an Asian and from a conservative family but I am against compulsion, no one should force their religious or conservative ideas on others.

So, the conclusion is that it is not about feminism, it is how to use feminism. If feminism is used for serious causes, I will support feminism but if feminism is used for petty things then I will not support it.

One last thing, there are cases where women are considered victims even if they choose to do something. For example: if I choose to be a housewife, a full-time mother, if I choose to have an arranged marriage and if I choose to wear the Hijab, I am NOT a victim.

[AdmiralBailey]

How about rebuke feminism and let daddy take care of you

[Shezadi]

why did you get 3 dislikes?

[AdmiralBailey]

they hate to hear a black man speak

[ktdec]

Yeah no one likes a black misogynist unfortunately

[Shezadi]

I am sorry about this but this is funny... hahaha

[AdmiralBailey]

@ktdec I blocked you. how are you commenting

[Alfa_Male]

@ktdec No one is women hater , you are just a manipulator and a liar idiot. You like to feel as victim, feminists have victim complex. They everytime want to feel as victim of everything to spread their hateful propagandas against people. I know your other comments, you are a man hater. Feminists are using this psychologic tactic, They blame people the opposite of they do. You are a man hater but you blame other people and say misogynist. This is retarded.

[wowgirl20q]

I'm down

[Iron_Man]

How about no feminism just be a happy go lucky wife

[Shezadi]

hahahahahahahahahaaha good one

[Iron_Man]

:-)

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[MarilynMansonsSlvt]

ewwwwww
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~ Mrs Manson

[Iron_Man]

Well what do you want it to be? Miss Joan Jet

[MarilynMansonsSlvt]

Feminism
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~ Mrs Manson

[Iron_Man]

Hahahaha

[Iron_Man]

Thanks for Most Helpful Award

[Logorithim]

Excellent point that feminism is not addressing what really Needs to be addressed.

[Shezadi]

by the way congratulations for getting like 100 questions featured!

[Logorithim]

Hahaha- thanks! This Take is one of the best I've seen, by the way.

[Shezadi]

thanks!

[Anonymous]

"10. Women not getting child custody- a husband has no right to snatch his children from their mother, children need their mother more, and a mother has more right on her children than a father because she carries the child in her womb for 9 months and give birth."

You're an idiot.

Feminism has a lot of problems. More and more people are beginning to turn away from feminism for many reasons, but most of all:

1) blatant lies
2) hypocritical attitudes - complaining about sexism and double standards claiming to be all for equality, while holding their own sexist double standards
3) misandry/hatred towards men
4) linked to the above and most important, contradicting themselves constantly as they do all they can to justify giving women advantages

The custody thing is a blatant lie. When it comes to child custody, in 85% of cases the Mother gets custody of the children.

You justify this by saying that women carry the child, and therefore have more right to custody of the child. Really, when it comes to conflict between parents over who has custody, the well-being of the child should come first. Some Mothers are great, some aren't. Some Dads are great, some aren't.

Many feminist organisations such as NOW opposed shared custody because they say that abusive Fathers might abuse such rights - instead they argued for this bias towards Mothers getting custody.

What they're saying here is that Mothers are more likely to be better parents than men, and are morally superior to men in general.

As a result, good Fathers often miss out on their children - and those children miss out on a good Father. There have been plenty of cases where, because of this bias which is the opposite to the way you say it is, a child has been taken from a perfectly good Father and placed with an abusive Mother.

These same feminists will then say that more men should stay home with their kids, and that the presumption that the woman should be the natural caregiver is often harmful to women who for example would prefer to work while the Dad stays home.

Full of contradictions and biases against men, twisting the argument to suit whatever kind of advantage that you want to give to women.

This is the problem with feminism. If you pointed out real problems with feminism in a balanced way, some people would go "hey, yeah she makes a lot of good points, maybe if feminism can fix itself I might be able to get behind it".

Then you post things like that, and you prove antifeminists right.

[weasley8]

Hi! I just have one question. Do you have any examples of a feminist organization saying any of these things that you refer to as problems with feminism?

I know you referenced NOW, but I searched their website for custody, and didn't find anything saying that women should get custody automatically. All I got was an article about one woman who was sued for moving while pregnant, after the father said he didn't want any part of the child's life, articles about the treatment of pregnant immigrants, and articles about rapists, pedophiles, and domestic abusers being able to sue for custody.

I agree with your stance on custody by the way. I just haven't found any examples of feminist organizations contradicting it.

As for misandry/man hating stuff. I don't call those people feminist. I call them misandrists who don't own a dictionary. The internet always likes to highlight extremes. Most people who call themselves feminists aren't like that.

[Opinion Owner]

@weasley8

I said that they did, because at one point they did. Maybe they changed their views since - I'm not sure.

As for the rest, I'm speaking about what I see most often in debates with feminists on these topics. Every feminist thinks that their version of feminism is real feminism, that other/those who say misandrist things aren't real feminists. However, most of the time those same women usually have other ideas that are misandric - which is why I don't buy this "good" vs "bad" feminism argument.

[weasley8]

When I say real feminism, I mean feminism that fits the definition of feminism given by the dictionary. It's not just because it happens to be the version that I subscribe to. There are plenty of variations within feminism, as there are different definitions, and I acknowledge all of those as real and valid. I have never come across a definition that includes man hating and female superiority though, so I don't consider that feminism.

The reason I ask for examples is because as a feminist, I like to keep track of the organizations that I support, in order to make sure that I don't give my time, money, and resources to organizations that aren't actually doing anything, and might even make existing problems worse. I already know that people say problematic things. I just don't consider those statements feminist, because they don't fit the definition. However, if those statements come from organizations that I support, I like to know so that I can avoid contributing to the problem.

[Opinion Owner]

@weasley8

I think it depends on what you consider to be man-hating.

[weasley8]

Okay, then could you give me an example of what you consider to be man-hating? I consider it to mean hatred of men. Although technically there is no definition listed in the dictionaries that I checked, so if you have another definition then by all means I'm open to hear it.

[Opinion Owner]

@weasley8

"Toxic masculinity"
The argument over manspreading
I mentioned the biased idea that women are morally superior to men - the feminist response to the Kavanaugh case for example where most seem to be in favour of automatically supporting female accusers and the presumption of guilt on the man's part

[weasley8]

That's not a definition.

The term toxic masculinity refers to a variety of things. You've listed the term, but not stated what your problem with it is.

Manspreading is more an annoyance than anything. No one that I know actually has a problem with it. If it comes up at all, it's usually in reference to the stigmas that cause it to be a gendered thing. Women are told that they're supposed to take up less space. Women have done experiments where they don't move out of the way for men. As in if they are standing somewhere, and a guy comes up to them, they stay where they already clearly were, and they just get crashed into by guys. This is not to say that those men are bad people. It's just that they expect women to move out of their way, because we usually do, because we're told from a young age that we're supposed to. Women also look down more, which is why guys are more likely to step on things. The issue isn't the behavior itself, but rather the fact that it's gendered.

[weasley8]

You mentioned the idea that women are superior to men. And I agree that that would qualify as man-hating. But you haven't given any examples of it actually happening, and being associated with feminism.

As for Kavanaugh, I don't think that men should automatically be convicted as soon as an accusation is made, and I don't know anyone who is saying that they should. The issue with Kavanaugh, is that he wasn't in a criminal trial. If it were, the burden of proof would be on the accuser. But it never was a criminal trial. If he didn't get put on the Supreme Court, he would have been completely fine. He was applying for a lifetime position on the highest court in the United States. In that case the burden of proof lies with him to prove that he's a good candidate. There's a difference between saying that someone should go to jail, and saying that maybe we should exercise caution before giving that person significant power over others.

[Opinion Owner]

@weasley8

When it comes to toxic masculinity, my issue with it is that many of the things that are viewed as being toxic by feminists are natural masculine behaviours. Really it's just a term used to criticise masculinity in general. Many things that feminists claim are caused by toxic masculinity also usually have absolutely nothing to do with masculinity. I think that maybe this comes from a complete misunderstanding of what masculinity is, however still the end result of placing of blame on masculinity itself is the demonisation of male nature and false solutions.

I can't see the whole space thing actually being true. Plenty of women do take up space in just the same way men do. Feminists complain that men spread our legs too wide - the reason we don't sit with our legs closed because we have balls between our legs, something many don't seem to understand nor do they care to - and yet plenty of women take space up in other ways e. g. bags on seats.

[Opinion Owner]

@weasley8

Many feminists often argue that we should automatically believe accusers. I don't know how you can't see that.

[weasley8]

Can you give an example of a natural male behavior that is called toxic.

As for the manspreading thing, how would you know what messages girls are told? You were not a girl, and therefore have not been told them. Also, you don't see women walking around holding their arms out to the sides to make room for their boobs. And we're not saying that guys should cross their legs. We're not even saying that they shouldn't even sit like that. We're simply saying that it shouldn't be considered weird for a woman to do the same. And if you're going to make a point about bags, I'm going to point to the fashion companies that think that women don't want pockets for some reason, and therefore force us to carry bags just so that we can carry the basics (wallet, feminine products, phone, etc.). If I could just stick those things in my pockets I would, but most women's clothes don't have pockets. Bags make us more likely to get mugged, and their bad for our backs. I would gladly get rid of them.

[weasley8]

And again you haven't actually given an example of women saying to automatically believe accusers.

Also, there's a difference between believing someone as their friend or family member that they are supposed to be able to trust, and believing someone as a judge or juror with the ability to send someone to jail. I have seen plenty of people saying that when a friend tells you that they have been sexually assaulted, you should automatically dismiss the notion. Questions like "What were you wearing?" as if a woman's clothing somehow justifies rape are a problem. But that is not saying that the judge should automatically sentence a man to jail for an accusation. Those are two completely different things.

[Opinion Owner]

@weasley8

The toxic masculinity thing is simple to understand when you understand the effects of testosterone and it's importance to the health of a man both mentally and physically, how it influences masculine vs feminine behaviour, and how it's influenced by masculine vs feminine behaviour. It would probably take way too many characters however to fully explain what I mean by this however, maybe I'll write a take about that at some point.

With manspreading, many feminists have said that men should close our legs. They made the same comparison you just made with boobs vs balls - not the same thing at all. Women don't fall to the ground and curl into the ball when someone taps them on the boobs - but that's how painful a tap to the balls is for a man. They're much more sensitive. Those feminists also attack men who are just sitting normally - I can understand when a guys legs are ridiculously wide.

[weasley8]

You're still not listing a specific behavior in your toxic masculinity argument. I can't argue against it unless I know what you're actually referring to.

As for the manspreading, I have never heard someone tell a guy to shut his legs. And even if someone did, I wouldn't consider it a feminist statement. Even if the person was a feminist, we don't have a hive mind. Most feminists don't actually have a problem with the behavior itself. The boob thing was mostly a joke, although they actually are quite sensitive if we're discussing it. Especially at certain times of the month. And it's very possible for guys to cross their legs. I'm friends with drag queens. It's more than possible. Because you can cross your legs without slamming together. But that's beside the point, because I'm not saying that you have to. Most feminists aren't saying that you have to. If some people are, then that's an individual's statement, not one that reflects the group as a whole.

[DJZest]

You took this ridiculous Take, which is full of lies, and put it though a scrap grinder. Good job!

[Shezadi]

thanks for comment I didn't realise the child custody point will offend men, it was very unexpected and I wrote that part out of innocence, I am 19, let a 19 year old breathe. I was being emotional and now I wish that point didn't exist in my take. Other than this, the pictures were added by some editor. Wish I can blame the child custody point on editors. I am never going to talk about child custody again in my life.

[Shezadi]

@DJZest thanks for your love and support

[DJZest]

Shut up, child.

[Opinion Owner]

@weasley8

I'm speaking about things such as competitive behaviour, socially dominant behaviour, stoicism, low-agreeableness. These things are viewed as toxic, but they're natural effects of testosterone. Masculinity isn't just influenced by social conditioning but also our hormonal balance - and the hormonal balance itself is influenced by our behaviour.

The feminist solution to toxic masculinity is to encourage men to reject these things and become more okay with effeminate behaviours - to go against our nature. For example a common argument is that men get more depressed because we're not as emotionally expressive as women, because we hold back. Really, we're naturally less prone to crying, and we deal with things differently - trying to encourage us to deal with something in a way that goes against our nature is counter-productive.

[hellionthesagereborn]

1. Female infanticide: Its not all that common and its completely gone in the nations that have feminism. Further more if you wish to remove it you would have to remove the reason for it i. e. the overwhelming dependence on men. That is to say the reason why it was common in agricultural areas is because those who subsistence farm require males to do all the manual labor. Men produce more then they eat, women do not produce any food yet consume it. Make farming better in these areas and you will see female infanticide (which contrary to popular belief have nothing to do with hating girls, its about trying to stay alive. For instance if you look in certain areas in Africa the families actually over feed the daughters while letting the males starve in hopes that the woman will be selected to be a wife to some one rich (fat is beautiful in nations where starvation is rampant. Also interesting how femininst never mention this aspect of "oppression")) disappear. In places like china all you need to do is remove the one child policy (which has happened) and make it so that the complete well being of the parents is not placed solely on the shoulders of men. That's why they do it, because when the parents retire the male child is their retirement plan and the idea was that they could get a daughter through marriage. If they had a daughter they would be obligated to care for her until such a time that she got married. So get rid of these rules (that really show more of a open hostility to males and using them like tools rather then seeing them as people rather then showing the "oppression" of women) and you will have resolved this problem.
2. Arranged marriages are arranged by parents for BOTH genders. Not really sure why you would say this is a womans issue if it effects both genders equally. Seems kind of sexist (I know, its not intentional but I say it to try and get you and other to actually think these things through rather then have a knee jerk reaction).
3. According to data, women are actually far more likely to be perpetrators of domestic violence then men. 70% of all non reciprocal violence between intimate partners was perpetrated by women against men. When its reciprocal its 50/50 however data shows that while this is an indicator of past and future violence for women its not for men heavily suggesting that she is the instigator. We also know that women are far more likely to use emotional abuse and controlling behavior then men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Studies also show that women are more likely to abuse children then men AND that the target of the violence are more often then not males. On top of which women are far less likely to be punished for domestic violence while men have always been punished for it (in all nations, again, despite common belief).
4. Yes child marriages are wrong and should be stopped but their are other issues as well, like underage male prostitution that exists in many of the nations that allow for child marriages (baka bazi or dancing boys as they are called in afganistan). Also this is illegal in every western nation and most other nations as well and feminist are not pushing for law changes in those nations that have it they are actively trying to consolidate power in nations that don't.
5.(and 13 and 14) men are the overwhelming majority of all violent crimes across the board and in every nation with not one exception. 80% of all violent crime victims are male and the more violent the crime the more

[hellionthesagereborn]

likely the victim is to be male. Also not an issue in western society where feminist reside. For example if you recall the incident with the group Boko Haram, the west claimed how evil and sexist they where because they kidnapped a bunch of girls and banned them from going to school. Of course what was not stated (because our society is run by feminist and is hyper gynocentric (female focused)) was that they had killed hundreds of boys for attending those same schools as protest against western influence, not education for girls. They let the girls go in every single case. When they dragged the kids out of one school and told the girls to go home and repent then burned alive male children between the ages of 7 and 17, who batted an eye? not feminist, and not the west. In fact they only even acknowledged what was happening when Boko Haram actually started inconviencing the girls. So violence against women is not an issue at all if you actually bother to look at the statistics.

[hellionthesagereborn]

6/7. Many of the women forced into the sex trade are forced into the sex trade by other women (this is particularly common in asia). Also its illegal and people are actively trying to stop it and has nothing to do with "evil men" so this is not a femininst issue. Also what of the human trafficking done in Africa of men? Of child soldiers? Or do we not care about them? (answer: no, the west does not care about them because they are males).
10. Women get custody of children equal or better then equal 96% of the time vs. males 44%. Equal custody occurs 35% of the time i. e. you have it backwards, men have their children taken from them in mass and they have no parental rights in the west (nor do they have any reproductive rights. Also paternity fraud is actually legal in the western world allowing women to exploit and rob men for child support even though they are not the fathers and they are protected by law for doing so).

[hellionthesagereborn]

Also divorce is filed almost exlusively by women at 80% in the west yet alimony and child support is paid almost exlusively by men at 80%. Can't say what it is in the few middle eastern nations and Africa but in all probability its perfectly legal to divorce your husband as they do occur (in fact in one incident a wife divorced her husband because he was to "large" and they where unable to consummate the marriage). divorcescience.org/.../
also since we are on the topic Dowry, why not get rid of bride prices as well?(when the husband has to pay the family of his bride)? Do you know the reason for dowry? Because in these nations the male is absolutely 100% responsible for the economic and physical and emotional well being of the woman and as such this is quite a costly event for him as he now has to work twice as hard to earn or grow twice as much to provide for her. Dowry helps offset those costs.

[hellionthesagereborn]

15/16. Yes death in these circumstances are extreme but your not looking at the bigger picture. First and foremost, as previously alluded to the man is entirely responsible for that woman in fact if he dies the eldest male in the family is now responsible for taking care of her, in fact this is why underage male child prostitution exists in these places as the seven, eight or nine year old boy is now solely responsible for caring for his mother and female siblings and without any other means of acquiring wealth they must prostitute themselves (again, I find it interesting how feminist and their proponents ignore this). We also must look at what laws are applied to the men, do they get stoned for similar actions? Yes. In fact infidelity is one of the few incidences where women actually get such a sever punishment, men get it for far less transgressions. This is not an issue against women, this is an overly strict society women still have it far better.

[hellionthesagereborn]

In conclusion, if we actually bother to look at this objectively we see quite clearly that men are being butchered, little boys are being burned alive and butchered REGULARLY and are actually worse off in every single nation, meanwhile we have a few places which treat every one poorly and you are pointing to just the women and just in those incidences and saying that this is why we need feminism in the world. All of these would be fixed if we got rid of the progressive mindset and focused on fixing economies and political stability, feminism cannot fix these things even if it was inclined to (and make no mistake its not) and even if it tried all it would do is further push back men and boys in these nations making their lives even harder then they already are.

[DJZest]

Watch out! The truth hurts the deceived! They prefer staying in their own little world!

You have provided a thorough answer backed up by studies an evidence, as opposed to the owner of this opinioneted Take. Thanks.

[Shezadi]

@DJZest I gave people the opportunity to give their opinions by getting a mytake featured but the other guy called malik was just swearing

[Shezadi]

@DJZest nice sense of humour and sarcasm by the way

[Shezadi]

I will try my best to read your long essays

[DJZest]

Your judgement is worthless and irrelevant.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I read your take and I tried to respond to every point you made (several where redundant however so I did combine them), it would be a wise decision to read what I wrote if you are truly earnest in your beliefs as if I have stated something that is true then it should be your greatest desire to find out so that you may correct your stance (just as if I have said something inaccurate I would like to know to correct mine). However read it or don't its up to you, I was just trying to be thorough.

[DJZest]

You can do it. We believe in you.

(I mean, you did go to school, I assume.)

[hellionthesagereborn]

@DJZest Thank you.

[Anonymous]

I don't agree with a nice bit of this. To me the reason why feminism is failing is because one it is so hypocritical. They literally say they want things one way or something to be done but then they do something completely opposite. And second because they don't take men into account. The world contains both men and women, if you are willing to fight for one's rights and betterment then you should be willing to do the same for the other. But feminism doesn't the only care about women's rights and betterment. This just creates a divide between the sexes. You can't better situations for women that involve men when men need to be involved in bringing about change. And they won't be involved when the change only helps women, especially if it at their own cost and makes their own situations more difficult and worse. And feminism clearly don't care about men at all, they are actually a direct opposition to men and men's rights. Not a good way to win men over and get them on your side to help bring about change.

You're own take is shows this. You're 10th point "Women not getting child custody- a husband has no right to snatch his children from their mother, children need their mother more, and a mother has more right on her children than a father because she carries the child in her womb for 9 months and give birth." This is complete bullshit. Men should have just the same rights as women when it comes to their children. You somehow believe just because a parent is a women they will be a better parent and deserve more rights. I know many single fathers who are raising their kids better then if the mother was involved. The mother never cared about the children so that is why the father got sole or majority custody. This alone is a great example of how hypocritical feminism is. You won't get men's support this way. You literally are fighting for fathers to have no real rights to custody of their children. Seriously WTF? Men don't want this nor will support this. If anything more men want reproductive rights, so more control in determining their future as a parent. A right women currently have but men do not.

I will support women in issues which I think are just and fair. But I will not support them when I don't think they are just and fair for everyone. So for the most part I don't support feminism. I support equality for all, men and women.

[desperatelyhungry]

Interesting. I was skeptical when I saw the title, but agree with you. I can't stand the feminists who get upset by things like someone holding the door open for them because that's "sexist" or the use of the word human because it's "sexist". Like examples you mentioned, those are petty things and I think it makes feminists and sometimes women in general, not be taken so seriously. I live in the United States and feel like I am completely equal to a man (as far as rights and laws go) but reading your list of things we need to work on, I see that's not the case. The fact that forced marriage is legal in the United States (it's not outright legal, but there are loopholes that allow it to happen) is a huge problem. Although on a daily basis I and millions of women have it pretty good, there are also millions of women who are suffering, living a life against their will, and really living in Hell. It makes me angry to think while things like this is going on we have women more concerned with informing the public that its there right to fuck who they want and they are a proud slut or (This is a serious campaign I've heard before.) Putting an end to manspreading. Anyways thanks for a good read.

[Shezadi]

thanks for your comment, right now I feel like dancing, when I found out that mytake got featured! I am so happy that my voice will be heard. I made the right choice by following my heart.

[ThisAndThat]

I live in the United States and feel like I am completely equal to a man (as far as rights and laws go? Well you're not equal to men. Facts are men only get awarded custody 10% of the time in divorce for example. How does that make you equal to men?

[jmstarling]

I got booted from the the Brooklyn chapter of the International Socialist Organization for telling a woman that she had an adorable smile and for commenting to a woman who leaned so close to me on a bar stool that I might have had to catch her. I was told this was misogynistic and too severe to get by with just a warning.

This is why I'm still single at 42, even though in the cases with these women, I wasn't trying to be more than friends.

[ThisAndThat]

@jmstarling That's why so many men have gone MGTOW.

[Shezadi]

@ThisAndThat men and women are not equal, they are different. A father and a mother are not equal. They are different.

[Shezadi]

a mother has a higher status than a father, always had and always will.

[Shezadi]

even in Islam, a mother comes first, second, third and a father comes at fourth place.

[Shezadi]

@ThisAndThat a mother is next to god because she carries the baby in her womb for 9 months, she goes through so much pain, that a father doesn't grow through

[Shezadi]

@ThisAndThat a mother is better when it comes to raising children

[ThisAndThat]

Oh you mean like the crackhead mother that dropped her little girl off at my house and didn't return for her? The little girl that I took care of myself like she was my own child for 7 months? The little girl that I loved so much that I would have given my life for? The little girl I wanted to adopt and call my own? I did everything a dad would do for her and I did everything her CRACKHEAD mom wouldn't do for her, ON MY ON. And I could list of example after example after example of the same or similar situations. YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP, PERIOD!

[jeremythedrummer]

Highly agreeable. however i should point out:
3. Donestic abuse can happen to anyone regardless of gender.
9. Rape goes both ways.
10. Actually, custody has nothing to do with childbirth. It has to do with which parent is more fit to care for the children, and this may be the mother or the father. Also family courts already tend to favour the mother for child custody already even when the mother is unfit.

And yes feminism is not what it used to be, moaning about superficial issues that dont affect people too much, rather than focusing on WOMENS' NEEDS IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES.

Anothr problem is they refuse to acknowledge that mens issues dp exist (predominantly in first world societies), but that is a topic for another day.

Being Asian myself i can fully see the context of your points and i do agree to a large extent with you. The only difference is i live in Singapore so i will have a different perspective from you, as this country is quite much an anomaly from other Asian countries.

[Shezadi]

thanks

[lilaqua]

that’s fine and good, but most feminist thought is concerntrated in the West where effectively all those issues either don’t occur within their culture and are abnomalies. Of course feminists care deeply about those issues, start up a variety of charities and organisations to help women overseas but the only true change will come through massive state intervention or social movements by individuals within the state. Generally in places where these things occur the state is either too poor/badly managed to really address the issue or the state is complicit and Informally maintains the status quo. The goal of feminist academia is to see and analysise injustice surrounding gender in the world, they might sound petty but they are trying to make a point about patriarchal power structures. Feminists are not the one’s with power to change but aim to illicit change within institutions. Everyone agrees those things are bad and there’s massive feminist backing behind them, not to mention UN intervention, but unfortunately the onus kind of is on the state to fix it.

[Servus09]

I see feminism as more of negative than a positive because it focuses only on women. Why can't we address both male and female issues at the same time? Why is it that women only care about other women? It seems pretty messed up to me.

I will say though that I agree with your list. You have obviously thought a lot about this. However, these are problems that mostly exist in developing African and Middle Eastern nations, and not so much in the west. It's also not an easy thing to correct since these issues are often part of foreign cultures.

What I don't understand is why western feminists support open borders, knowing these ideas will enter their countries and creat problems for them. In the U. K. it's beleived that more than 100,000 white girls have been raped by "Asain" (Middle Eastern) grooming gangs. In Canada there was a trial for a man who literally raped his wife; he even admitted it. The Canadian courts gave him a pass because in his culture it's perfectly legal to rape your wife and kafir women, and he did not know it was illegal to rape your wife in Canada. There was another problem in the United States where immigrant doctors from the Middle East had performed more than 600 female circiumcisions before they were caught.

I bet I just triggered you. This is exactly why feminism is a joke. You only fight against perceived injustices by way of the white male patriarchy.

www.avoiceformen.com/the-facts-about-men-and-boys/

[Shezadi]

you did not trigger me I only get triggered by swear words and I only got triggered when this call called Malik in the comments said swear words to me

[Shezadi]

guy not call

[Shezadi]

thanks for your comment, nice informative comment and much better than those who don't know how to communicate like adults, and I have seen those issues on the news I mean they are facts that can't be ignored.

[xEmmorixX]

I dislike number 10 honestly I wished my father got me instead of my mother. She's only wanted me because of the child support. She constantly talks about how she regrets having me. That I'm useless, lazy, and she always threatened to send me to my dad.
She only was ever nice to me if my dad payed child support. She's also abusive mentally and physically. She has major issues. I still love her in a way. She would hit me over small things as a child. If I cried, if I was scared.
The parent who actually cares for the child should get custody. Some parents only want the kid for child support or to get back at the other partner.

[worldscolide]

Exactly... see my comment

[Shezadi]

but that doesn't mean you will be like your mother and that doesn't mean you should lose child custody after divorce. Men who try to snatch children from women are heartless beasts.

[worldscolide]

Just as women who snatch their children from their fathers are equally as heartless. Its the leading cause of suicide in men. Please grow up.

[xEmmorixX]

@Shezadi who cares if I end up like her or not. She shouldn't have gotten me at all just because she gave birth to me. All the years of pain she put me through. She snatched me away from my father for selfish reasons. I wouldn't wish this on any child. My dad truly cared for me my mother only saw me as a piggy bank. Her beat up doll.
She beat me untill I could barely move and bruises and more. Since I was six over petty things.

[xEmmorixX]

My father had every right to get custody of me for so many reasons. I'm his daughter his biological daughter.
He actually wanted me my mother didn't. Why should I have been taken by someone who didn't want me at all? My mother was the heartless one for what she did and still does.
She made me feel like crap for years. I still have issues because if that.
You seem to care more about winning and uplifting feminism then the actual well being of a child.

[MrOracle]

Western feminists largely only care about western society and are happy to give other cultures a pass. Part of that is because fighting for the rights of women in Eastern or Muslim cultures would require a significantly higher level of sacrifice, but also because the leadership of the movement is full of socialist/communist sympathizers who are literally given directions by Moscow in an effort to undermine western culture.

Feminism has largely achieved its goals in the west (which the willingness to address decades-old issues like Hollywood casting couches demonstrates). Instead of focusing on the rest of the world where women's rights are nearly zero, the move the goalposts to deal with ridiculous issues in the west.

This is why even most women no longer support the movement, and it has become a fringe group with diminishing power.

It's going to be up to non-western women to fight for the rights of non-western women.

[Shezadi]

very true

[Shezadi]

feminism is not used where it is needed the most like non-western countries, they need to build places for helpless women who are considered a burden by their families and husbands

[Tharia]

I agree! You see these videos on present-day feminist and their rallies on Youtube and it's like they have forgotten what they were fighting for in the first place and they only want power over men.
There are serious causes in this world like you've mentioned and they should be addressed but not like this. Human beings are human beings for crying out loud! Other humans beings shouldn't be allowed to force anything on another human being, if they don't want to do it in the first place. That's a human right.
There is a old Native American Indian saying that goes: "If it's not good for everyone, then it's not good at all." I really do think that's incredibly wise.

[Shezadi]

I hear about women protesting by being topless for example during a hearing of a doctor who was accused of encouraging abortion.

[Shezadi]

Thanks

[jmstarling]

That's why we need to recognize that capitalism isn't good.

[ChrisTruthseeker]

As a father who took care of his child since the day he was born I agree with everything except number 10.
My wife has been basically an absentee parent more often than not in the last 11 years.
It wasn't easy being dad and mom to our child and trying to work.
At times my wife would even threaten to take away our child if I didn't do what she wanted.
She knew that I loved him more than anything and that's how she could hurt and manipulate me.
I don't think women should always have favor in the courts when it comes to custody hearings. Not all mother's are wonderful, loving human beings.
It should be a fair process for both parents in my opinion.

[sugarchateau]

My mother is and always was absent before and after the divorce. She threatened to take the children away but she didn’t do shit and she didn’t talk to us lmao. I connect with men on this custody part because of my own parental situations. I wish my dad didn’t have to go through that bullshit

[ChrisTruthseeker]

@sugarchateau
Thank you.

[DJZest]

Damn, you are so manly. Respect.

[worldscolide]

Lol that last bit about a father not being ad important is incredibly sexist.. every statistic shows that all of the most horrible stuff comes from Single mother fatherless homes. Additionally 71% of all child deaths happen at the hands of the mother alone as well as 70% of all child abuse and child neglect. I strongly suggest you rethink your position on this... so far you're just as bad if not worse than a feminist.

thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/

www.breakingthescience.org/...fiedDataFromDHHS.php

Oh and before you do the female thing and attack me, before you have the data, please do the logical thing and read the links I included

[worldscolide]

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.

90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.

85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)

80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)

71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)

[worldscolide]

Father Factor in Education – Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.

75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.

[worldscolide]

Father Factor in Drug and Alcohol Abuse – Researchers at Columbia University found that children living in two-parent household with a poor relationship with their father are 68% more likely to smoke, drink, or use drugs compared to all teens in two-parent households. Teens in single mother households are at a 30% higher risk than those in two-parent households.

70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U. S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)

85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

[worldscolide]

43% of US children live without their father [US Department of Census]

90% of homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. [US D. H. H. S., Bureau of the Census]

80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. [Criminal Justice & Behaviour, Vol 14, pp. 403-26, 1978]

71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. [U. S. Department of Health and Human Services press release, Friday, March 26, 1999]

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. [US D. H. H. S., Bureau of the Census]

85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. [Center for Disease Control]

90% of adolescent repeat arsonists live with only their mother. [Wray Herbert, “Dousing the Kindlers,” Psychology Today, January, 1985, p. 28]

71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. [National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]

[worldscolide]

75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. [Rainbows f for all God’s Children]

70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [US Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]

85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]

Fatherless boys and girls are: twice as likely to drop out of high school; twice as likely to end up in jail; four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems. [US D. H. H. S. news release, March 26, 1999]

[WitchsLove]

I agree with u on number 10

The fittest parent should have the custody

[A-man-22]

How about instead of continuing to develop women's rights you pay attention to the parts of men's rights that desperately need attention.

This post basically proves Feminism isn't equality.
All of your suggestions help women directly, they don't help men directly at all.

I'm all for Feminism stopping going on about silly things like office temperature but either say it's not an equality based movement or help men.

If you need a few ideas on what men don't have fair rights in.
1. Rape laws, it's much harder for a man to get help if he is raped
2. Divorce laws, if the woman breaks her vows and divorces him it's still really likely he has to pay alimony, that's not fair if there is no element of abuse then the one who breaks their vows should lose out.
3. Male mental health and suicide rates

[ashleyb93]

While mens issues are equally important it doesn't rectify the issues that specifically effect and harm women. Feminism is about womens issues specifically. I really dont know why people try to claim its about equality.

[A-man-22]

Many Feminists would say it's equality. That's just a facade to the fact it rarely ever helps men.

I'm fine if you want a movement that helps women but then there needs to be one that helps men.

We lack the one that helps men.

[ashleyb93]

That's true and I agree. It sucks men can't bring up their issues without getting silenced. But thats mo reason to try to silence womens issues.

[TonyMetal86]

I might agree with you on 90% of your take but there is this number 10 in serious causes that i don't agree with you at all... that a mother has more right on to have her children, if this happens to me i'd make sure to make the mother regret the day she was borned, don't ever say this to a real man, you cannot snatch your kids from him and he cannot snatch them from you, actually. the kids belongs to the father as you can see they hold their family. name but a mother is a must... because like you said that she carry them. in her womb for 9. months sl it's better to. die trying fixing your marriage instead of reaching this point...

Your statement really made me lose my temper and made me feel like i'm just a male garbage, we just use you so. you give us kids and than to hell with you...😠

[ThisAndThat]

Only 10% of dads get their children. And this my friends is why millions of men are walking away from women, forever.

[TonyMetal86]

@ThisAndThat well said... what kind of courts or laws have the right to take the kids from their father, this is funny, if i was judge i'll see who's better and who's more suitable or the kids will. equally with their mother and father... of course after trying the impossible to fix their marriage if we can so the kids don't have to suffer this...

[ThisAndThat]

Exactly. One night I had a girl I hand't seen in a couple of years meet me at my door in the middle of the night. She had her 2 year old with her. She had gotten herself hooked on drugs right after her 2 year old was born. She asked me to watch her for a couple of hours. I cancelled my plans and watched her for the 2 hours. Her mother never showed back up. I was her mom and dad for around 5 months, clothed her, bathed her, fed her, took extra good care of her, too her to parks, bought her toys and clothes, restaurants, she was never out of my sight and I loved her like my own. Over concerns of her medical history in case she ever needed medical treatment, I tracked down her dad and long story short, he picked her up him and his girlfriend and it tore me to pieces to say goodbye to her. I have since spoke to her mom via social media and not so much did I get even a single thank you from her. But men are all bad am I right? And how's that for a loving caring concerned mom?

[TonyMetal86]

@ThisAndThat yep i got you, believe me there are many mothers like her and even worse...

Mothers of these days are just mothers by title while the majority of them don't know what a real mother is, they live on the glories of our mothers...

Women in the past were real mothers unlike today...

Maybe this girl that you had raised, if she had a choice, i'm sure she will choose you over anyone else...

[ThisAndThat]

Thanks and you're right. I believe she would have too, though I never got to see her again until she was grown and that was just over social media. Children are used as weapons to hurt dads anymore and I know what that hurt is, been there done that and I deeply sympathize with those dads.

[Isaack]

"Feminism" suffers from a lack of definition. Some people say feminism is about equality, and making sure that women have all of the same opportunities that men enjoy. That is a fine idea in my opinion, and if everyone agreed that this one the only definition for feminism, then I would consider myself a feminist.
Unfortunately, many people who identify themselves as "feminists" aren't striving to provide more opportunities, but instead want to limit the options of everyone that doesn't feel exactly like they do.
My go-to philosophy is to defend anyone's right to say "I can," and ignore anyone who says "you can't."

[WitchsLove]

Yeah it is weird how many people have too many ideas about what feminism is...

[DJZest]

The father figure is essential for children, much more so than the mother. The results of single moms raising children are clearly evident, especiall in the black community: severe crime, general confusion and poverty.

Without a strong father figure, children simly are f****d.

[ashleyb93]

This is just simply not true... children are influenced mostly by the parent of their same gender. So while it may be true that a boy may struggle without a father figure a girl would probably get along just fine. But you can be a completely well adjusted person growing up with one parent if that parent does their job.

[worldscolide]

@DJZest agreed see my comment. It's like feminists are completely immune to facts and statistics.

[DJZest]

@worldscolide You call it immune; I call it blissfull-ignorance that stems from deep-rooted and heeded arrogance.

The miserable lesbianic witches can wallow, and, ultimately, drown in the illusory world that they choose to live in.

[DJZest]

@ashleyb93 Girls need a father figure for direction, because men, and I mean real men, are intellectually and morally superior to women; although both have the same capacity for morality, women need men to guite them to full maturity. This is why I pointed out the consequences of a missing father figure, which is backed-up by many renowned statistics institutions. This also disproves your opinion of a single parent being able to raise a child completely well-adjusted.

Now, will you let confirmation bias reighn, or are you going to think outside of the box and look at real data from multiple sources? The choise is yours.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 It is absolutely true. We know for an absolute fact that both parents are essential. 80% of inmates come from single mother homes. On top of that it increases the rates of criminality, depression, substance abuse, academic failure, poverty and promiscuity (which perpetuates the problem): http://www.fathermag.com/news/2778-stats.shtml
Further it was shown that girls who had poor or no relationships with their fathers where more likely to engage in sexual activity earlier and be more promiscuous (again, perpetuating the problem): https://www.wnd.com/2013/01/fatherless-girls/
Why do you think that the standard family model has one father and one mother? A woman learns what it means to be a woman from her mother, that is true, but she learns what it means to be a man and thus who to look for in a mate, as well as learning valuable life lessons that come from a masculine view of the world, from her father.

[worldscolide]

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.

90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.

85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)

80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)

71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)

[worldscolide]

Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.

75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.

[worldscolide]

70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U. S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)

85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

[worldscolide]

Oh and get this.. Every single mass shooting we have had in recent years, The shooter has come from a single mother fatherless home... Let that sink in..

[DJZest]

@worldscolide Oof. You figuratively ended her life.

[Shezadi]

worldscolide had my support until he became rude, I actually took the time out to read his statistics and even like his statistics, men who use bad language against women deserve feminazis, and I made a mistake by being sympathetic towards men. and you DJ zest, just get lost and leave me alone, dare to show attitude in front of your mom, sister, partner or daughter. You bitter person. I hate you. I hate Malik in the comments, and I hate all the rude guys in the comments, after reading the comments, I realise girls definitely have better manners and are more cool headed, you are rebels without a cause. Hope you stay single forever and hope girls get you your ugly bitter side.

[Shezadi]

I am blocking you, had enough of your negativity. Haters are also fans, therefore you are my fan.

[ashleyb93]

@DJZest... yikes. I'm getting strong incel vibes from you.

[ashleyb93]

@hellionthesagereborn first, if inmates are more likely to come from single parent homes its probably because that single parent wasn't doing their job as a parent. Not because there wasn't one more dick in the house. 2. Women being comfortable with their sexuality isn't a problem unless you're a misogynist with a puritanical view of us. And finally, the standard family model is a man and a woman because most people are straight. That's all there is to it. My parents are married but for the most part I made my own path. I decided who I was going to be. My dad tried putting me in sports. My mom tried to make me dress super feminine. At the end of the day I did what I wanted and what I felt comfortable doing. My parents didn't teach me shit about being a woman. I discovered it for myself. You shouldn't just blindly follow your parents footsteps. To do so is never learning anything new. Not being your own person. Only sheeple think the way you do. And if that's feminist of me so be it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 As the data shows, that is not the case. First and foremost as I pointed out and @worldscolide pointed out children of single parents are far more likely across the board to be in worse positions and in worse condition then children from two parent homes. Those numbers are FAR to high to suggest that this is just a rare occurrence of a mother not doing her job. Their is a reason why two parent homes sprung up in almost every society and in every major civilization, its because both bring a different view, both provide different things that the child needs and I find it rather scary that you would try and argue that fathers are unnecessary for a child, that's really quite sexist (and also contrary to all the data, facts, and studies presented).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 Also your argument is clearly flawed as your rebuttal is insults rather then facts. You say their is nothing wrong with women having promiscuous sex, data shows otherwise. That would explain why people where "puritanical" to begin with, because they realized early on that it damaged the person, that unsurprisingly self indulgent behavior with no thought of consequence is bad and leads to people being unhappy (again, all data on the subject shows this no exceptions). Again, if you can provide some kind of evidence beyond an attempt at shaming and insults I would gladly go over the SCIENTIFIC data, but until then the hundreds of studies done hold greater weight then your attempts to shame and insult me and those who would question you.

[ashleyb93]

@hellionthesagereborn where is all this data that women being comfortable with their sexuality is harmful? Puritanical views of women dont come from some moral compass... it comes from religion which has always tried to suppress and control women. Its ingrained in our society so much that it's still considered the norm for men to try to control our bodies and uh... sorry buddy. can't do that. No matter how much you cry about data women are gonna do whatever we want so you're kinda beating a dead horse. As for the whole single parent / worse off argument yeah that's true. Taking care of a kid by yourself is hard to do alone. If you dont have the support of a partner or family you can't be there for your child as much as you need to. But again... has nothing to do with what's between your legs. My mom raised my brother and I by herself and neither of us are felons. Both graduated top of our class. My husband was raised by his father and he just finished grad school. So yeah.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 Okay, again, you decide to insult and belittle and shame (ironic considering that your shaming others while claiming that they are attempting to shame you). Her is the data (that you will ignore in its entirety): s3.amazonaws.com/.../Bookofcharts.pdf
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...1-3737.2010.00819.x
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../nihms499028.pdf
socialpathology.blogspot.com/.../...uest-post.html
socialpathology.blogspot.com/.../...uity-data.html
socialpathology.blogspot.com/.../virgin-bride.html
www.hookingupsmart.com/.../

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 As for the claim that its "puritanical", again, their is a reason why they try to control sex, that doesn't make it bad that's an irrational claim. That's like saying people trying to reduce the usage of heroine and meth are just being puritanical and just trying to control people and ruin their fun. No, its because its highly damaging to the individual and by extension the society. Further more you claim that its religions fault, perhaps you would like to explain why every single society in the world with no exception has prohibitions and taboos against casual promiscuous sex? Also why would you specify women's sexuality when the restrictions where placed on men as well? That seems like a rather odd omission, is it because that way you can claim to be a victim and as such dismiss any and all critiques on the behavior that you don't like by claiming its "oppressive" towards women?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 As for women doing what they want, well sure but that's a rather absurd argument don't you think? I mean that's like saying that since rapist will do what ever they want or murders or child abusers are going to do what they want we might as well just pretend like its normal and fine and do nothing about it. I mean why would people doing it anyway mean we shouldn't point out its negative effects to discourage it? Most people are convinced early on that this is healthy when it clearly isn't so informing people of the potential consequences allows for them to make an informed decision about it rather then making it based upon manipulative propaganda. No one is trying to control your body, that's just absurd and your fully aware of it, their are no laws what so ever to dictate your behavior, ironic considering that women have actively pushed for laws that allow them to control men (removal of parental rights, removal of reproductive rights etc.).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 I at no point suggested I want to control your body, if you want to have orgy after orgy after orgy and to whore yourself out to men, women, animals I don't personally care. In fact I think its fully within your legal rights to do so and you should have the right to have sex with whomever you wish for what ever reason you wish so long as its consensual. What I am saying is pretending like it won't have consequences is absurd, pretending like men will then have to accept you and your behavior once you burn yourself out is absurd. But again, beyond that I don't actually care what you do, I just don't like it when people try to lie to other people and hide the fact that these life choices (like every other one) has consequences.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 As for your claims about single parents, again, your wrong and all data shows it. Its not a matter of ancedotes (which don't even support your argument) or what you feel, its fact. Men and women are different and we learn differently and think differently and unsurprisingly raise children differently. The data is quite clear and your feelings will not alter that in any way shape or form. I don't care about what you do but don't lie about the facts, let people make informed decisions not decisions based upon propaganda designed to convince people (primarily women) to behave in a detrimental way by appealing to irresponsibility and immediate gratification. I swear your behaving in a manner very similar to cigarette companies of the past.

[ashleyb93]

@hellionthesagereborn yikes man is all I can say to that. You're probably one of those men who cheer when a guy gets tons of lays then calls women whores if they do the same. Having sex is not detrimental in any way as long as you do it safely, responsibly and consensually lol. Being a woman doesn't change that in any way

[ashleyb93]

@hellionthesagereborn you think a woman disagreeing with you is shaming and insulting you then turn around and say I'm playing victim. Ok dude. Then when I thought it couldnt get any worse you really just compared women having sex to fucking rapists and child molesters like... I dont know how to even respond to you at this point. You're on another level of mind gymnastics.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 Again, your rebuttal is insults, shaming, and strawman arguments. I don't applaud a man for getting sex, I don't see why I would praise some one for something that the overwhelming majority of living things do. Also, again, its highly damaging (but thanks for proving me right by acting in a childish and clearly irrational manner by ignoring all data presented and sticking to your ideological beliefs rather then facts) so I am very much against it as I have specified here and in real life (why would I behave differently their then I would here? I have no reason to try and impress any one, in fact if I was trying to impress some one I would say what people like you say, that their is no consequence to any actions and you should always do what feels good and never think of the consequences of your actions). Also I don't understand why your brining gender into this, I stated promiscuity leads to problems not women being promiscuous but not men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 You keep suggesting that I am being "puritanical" and that I am a hypocrite because I do not hold men to the same standards I hold women (I do hold men to the same standards) and that I am trying to control women's bodies. What part of that does not sound like insults and shaming language to you? I'm not criticizing this behavior because it hurts my feelings (you don't matter to me, not a personal attack its just you are a random person on the internet that I will never interact with again in all likelihood so you insulting me is meaningless), I pointed it out because its bad argumentation, you are attacking me and creating straw man arguments instead of acknowledging my points and my significant quantities of scientific data. I'm just calling you out on it, I don't particularly care (just as I don't care if you have slept with 1000 men, I just don't want people acting like their will not be consequences for it).

[ashleyb93]

@hellionthesagereborn dude... literally none of that answers why the hell "promiscuity" is harmful. As long as it's safe and consensual there's literally nothing harmful about sex. Also, dismissing me because you think I'm insulting you is a pretty weaselly way to squirm out of having to prove your point. But hey... you're the guy who equated women having sex to rape and pedophilia. So really talking to you is pointless.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 I'm sorry I am a bit dumbfounded by that response. I gave seven different links showing the negative impact of promiscuity on both the individual (increased rates of depression and anxiety as well as increased probability of disease and unwanted pregnancies) and to the relationship (decreased satisfaction within long term relationships and increased divorce rates (which it has been shown marriage increases over all happiness as do long term relationships)). I even pointed out how it harms society by again, increasing disease (gonorrhea has now become antibiotic resistant) and increasing single motherhood through promiscuity and its increased rates of divorce (which increases a childs probability of developing depression, increased rates of suicide, criminality, academic failure, poverty, and promiscuity which perpetuates the problem which also negatively impacts society). So you saying that none of what I said or presented shows why its bad is provably false.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 As for the last comment, I never stated anything like that. At which point did I suggest that having sex is equivalent to rape and pedophilia? I feel like your just trolling me because their is no way some one is that oblivious to just out right make up things about what I stated when you can just look up through the thread and find everything I have stated. So either your trolling or completely ignoring everything I have stated and lying to try and not have to address my points.

[ashleyb93]

@hellionthesagereborn I did not read any of this lmao. if you wanna make long winded sexist rants go to reddit where you belong. go on. off with you.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ashleyb93 If you didn't read it, how do you know its sexist? Also, again, I presented you with eight different sources proving my points and you are just trolling.

[ashleyb93]

@hellionthesagereborn shoo. Go on get.

[Clo917]

I can agree with a lot of this, except for the ‘men aren’t as important as the mother.’ I think both parents provide different things that the child needs. As someone with a single father and a very flaky neglectful mother, I can say that my dad is way more important and my mom has no right to snatch me away.

[Bananaman177]

Feminism has one problem and one problem only: man-hate.

And if you solve any other problem besides that, it won't fix feminism.

And feminism IS dying, so you'd better fix it. Less than 25% of all women aged 18-24 self-identify as a feminist. You know why? Because they don't automatically hate and despise all men and want men to be destroyed, so therefore they can't relate to the message of feminism and they don't want to put on the stigma of man-hate that has become feminism's only surviving legacy.

[Miristheiss]

It's over. If you live in the west you have complete freedom and equal protection under the law. It's done. Give it up. Women now are just making up crap that isn't real to "fight" against.

You want "feminism"? Take it to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Iran. They are the ones who need it.