My Response to the Feminist "Thought Catalog" Article About "What Women Bring to the Table"

[Anonymous]

The article in question.

https://thoughtcatalog.com/ashley-pariseau/2015/02/ladies-what-do-you-have-to-offer-in-your-relationships/ (NOTE: ThoughtCatalog is a anti-male feminist garbage blog similar to buzzfeed, anyone who writes for or reads it's trash has drank the feminist poison so they will likely live up to feminist shaming tactics and silencing methods.)

So here are some quick shaming tactic debunkers to start with:

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- Pointing out general traits that women live up to is NOT "attacking women". Criticism is not an attack, even if you don't like it.

- I don't have to know most women to see the world around me and how women in general act.

- There are traits which are universal to each of the two sexes, and traits which change by person, saying "Not all ..." doesn't make the statement false. You need to understand the difference between universal statements and general statements.

- Being anon doesn't make the truth untrue, and age also has no bearing on a knowledge of society.

- I am NOT bitter, angry, lonely, a loser, fat, sexually frustrated, afraid of women, or any other personal attack you want to claim. (Althougth none of those things change facts from being true.)

- A female's concept of what they bring to the table in a relationship is not relative to what a man thinks. You are not a male, nor will you ever think like one.

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The article starts with the paragraph...

As young women in America, we are brought up with one major objective: finding the best possible guy for us so we can eventually settle down. We are raised with a variety of ideals about what men can offer in order to keep us happy. We will create mental checklists about what a man needs to be and what he needs to do in order to qualify for our attention, but how often do we ask ourselves, “What am I bringing to the table in the relationship?”

It's true that women want a laundry list of things from a male, many of them unobtainable, they expect a male to meet most of these and if he doesn't she will start to look elsewhere.

The idea that men want a similar list of things from a female is far reaching. Yes there will always be some fringe male who want more, but generally speaking, males want and expect very little from their partner. We simply want them to love us and give us our space.

We don't need them for companionship, we get that from buddies (because we can be ourselves around our buddies without fear of judgement or punishement for the things they don't like), we don't need them for protection, finance, stability, encouragment, their intelligence, public status, support, etc.

When a female says she "inspires him to be the best man he can be", it generally means controlling him and stopping him from doing anything she doesn't like or thinks is "stupid". Which is why society has an on going joke about the "Ol' Ball and chain".

Women get with men and try to change them. They narasistically think "it's for the better" because what they believe must be the only possible way, she must "know better" and "he is lucky to have her".

But if a young male asks almost any man over 40 who is or was married, he will tell you "don't get married!", why? For the same reason a person who was attacked in a dark alley will tell you not to go down dark alleys... they have been there!

He knows it's the end of his personal freedom, his finances, and his identity, his friends, etc.

Most marriages are a net negitive for men, divorce is even more.

So when it comes to "What you bring to the table"... The answer is simple... SEX (unless you remove that after marriage like most married women). You don't have to like this truth, and you don't have to agree with it. But for the vast majority of men, sex is why we need you, sex is why we "get to know you", sex is why we keep you around, and sex is how you keep us happy.

This is why society revolves around female youth and beauty.

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[Keyboardkat]

As married man, I completely disagree with your anti-marriage screed. You sound like you have had an unfortunate experience with marriage and if so, I am sorry for you. But that doesn't make your truth universal for all men. Believe it or not, there are men out there (and I am one) who have been married for a long time to the same woman (in my case nearly 48 years) and who are very happy. I still love my wife, and I wouldn't trade her for the world. And I don't consider myself attached to a ball and chain! You obviously met and married the wrong woman. It's not fair to take her faults and failings, whatever they were, and father them upon the whole female half of the human race.

[myTake Owner]

If you are 73, you disagree because women from your generation weren't entitled, spoiled, narcissistic children. I envy you sir.

[Keyboardkat]

It's not that we haven't had our ups and downs. But we worked them out. There was enough love and caring there to make us want to do so, and to get us over the rough spots.
You just sound very bitter and angry. I can't believe that there isn't a girl out there for you who is a decent, caring person and not just out for herself. She's out there, my friend. You'll find her.

[myTake Owner]

No sir, I am not "bitter" or "angry" or any other shaming tactic people use to silence criticism.
I am actually a very happily married man with a beautiful wife and kids. I simply have knowledge of; the bias of family courts, societies attack on men, the entitlement and privilege of western women, alimony statistics, paternity fraud, false female accusations, and false victimhood, feminist lies and toxic anti-male attitudes, hypergamy, etc.
When we stop listening to gynocentric media and look at actual data, it isn't hard to see that the potential number of "good" women is dwindling as the feminist toxin poisons and indoctrinates our females more and more.

[Keyboardkat]

It was not my intent to shame you, or anything negative like that. If you are happily married, then great! And I agree that too many divorce court judges are biased against men (perhaps those who have been through the divorce ringer themselves are less so). That's why there are divorce lawyers who specialize in helping men. But the lawyers often make things worse, as follows:
Husband: "Why... she emptied out our whole bank account! I would have been fair to her. How could she do that to me?
Husband's Lawyer: Well, you know, she may have been advised to..."
Once the lawyers get involved, all chance of a reconciliation is lost!!

[ThisAndThat]

Yeah as a married man, but don't forget you got married I'm sure way back before the feminist atrocity dominated oppressed and persecuted men. And got married to a woman that wasn't fully indoctrinated into narcissist societal destruction, huge difference in the times today than then.

[worldscolide]

A lot of this rings true.. Though it also depends strongly on the kind of woman you go after.. Take my wife for instance. She is a small town conservative girl who harbors virtually none of the normal millennial or feminist entitlements that you see. She is incredibly supportive of all of my choices, and has never, not once attempted to change me. she's very loving, kind and nurturing, and she knows when to leave me alone.

[myTake Owner]

I agree, these women exist in small numbers but do exist. The issue is that they are like unicorns and most men seem to be giving up because the pros don't out number the cons.

[worldscolide]

Could not agree more.. Join TFRM on facebook and you will see what i mean. (TFRM = The fathers rights movement) I have been a volunteer for my local chapter for years.

[myTake Owner]

I am part of a couple fathers rights movements as well. Fathers4justice is one of them.

[worldscolide]

Nice so you know what i mean then.. Jeez why the female down votes.. Some CU#$% can't handle the truth i guess.

[myTake Owner]

@worldscolide

They can't handle negitive well.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../26318628react-differently-mens-354226

[worldscolide]

i just chalk it up to NPD and BPD which is extremely prevalent in women

[humor_me]

She sounds like a wonderful woman.

[ThisAndThat]

No matter what kind of woman you go after, you are still bound by the same system that persecutes and oppresses men. Better get MGTOW.

[My99legend]

The problem with this response is that you are not taking a anti-feminist stand (Which by the way this is NOT a feminist article, if it was it would be about some bullshit like how sex objectifies women, so they should not have it with their husband. Instead this article is saying how women should not only expect the man to put work into the relationship, and that the women should put in effort to be unique and worthy of him. This is actually a pretty conservative article. It's say hey just because your a attractive woman, doesn't mean he has to kiss your feet for it.) Instead you are taking a MGTOW stand.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I don't think the issue is with her stating women should contribute, its that the woman is stating that what women want men want which is of course absurd, and that she is trying to be reasonable enough (and that's not a bad thing) but that she is doing it through the lens of feminism, that is that we are some how interchangeable and that what a man needs from a woman is the same thing a woman needs from a man and that is far from the case. It basically ignores what men have been saying they need/want from women while trying to be "equal" which of course makes it seem less genuine.

[myTake Owner]

I am not taking a "MGTOW" stand, you are just using buzzwords that are used with negative connotations without any actual understanding of what it actually means.

I am NOT MGTOW, I am married with kids. I do on the other hand understand MGTOW and why they are leaving women in the dust.

[My99legend]

Why I said you were taking a MGTOW stand is because of this statement:
"So when it comes to "What you bring to the table"... The answer is simple... SEX"
This is not a anti-feminist statement, because just because you are against the feminist mindset, you still would view women as something more than a creature purely for you pleasure. I don't agree with the feminist movement past like the 1960s. When it first came out it gave women basic human rights. But now it has blown into a smear campaign that blames all problems on men, and acts like women should be not only equal but superior to men. So the vast majority of women today would say I'm way to traditional.
The MGTOW movement says that women aren't at all necessary, or if they are it's just for sex. that's why I said your taking their side.
So your telling me that your happily married, but you only view your wife as a sexual object? You don't like anything about her personality? You don't like to talk to her?

[My99legend]

If you marry someone for sex of course it will feel like a ball and chain relationship, and that there is no benefit to you.
Many men in my family and of my acquaintance are married with wives who stay at home and they don't feel like their wives are nothing but sexual objects. Every marriage will have it's ball and chain moments. It's natural. Both parties are giving up freedom. Yes the woman may "gain more", since he will be supporting her. But she also is supporting him. She is always there for him to support him through his life. She bears and cares for his children. She takes care of his needs; meals, clothing, runs his house smoothly. Marriage is a partnership where both parties have to give something. That's how it is successful.
Now you can say that not all women do that in marriage, but not all men support and care for their wives. Marriage has been wrecked by our society, but I think it's gross understatement to say she only brings sex, that will not lead to a good marriage

[myTake Owner]

That statement doesn't in any way refer to MGTOW. MGTOW simply wants women to stop using them for protection and money.
I was not making an anti-feminist statement with it either, I was simply stating that sex is the only actual verifiable thing women bring to the table that we can't get elsewhere. Which is true.
Feminism is a hate group at its core. The "rights" even the suffragettes fought for, women already had (voting, working, owning land) women have been able to do those things since the late 1800's. Those things were not granted based on status, not gender. There were poor white men who could not vote or own land and rich women who could.
Your idea of MGTOW is based off Reddit trolls, not actual MGTOW acts or information.

I am happily married and my wife is a very beautiful female, I never said I only see her as a "sex object". But the only thing she brings to the table that I can't get elsewhere is sex, yes.
She is a good female, which is why I married her, they are rare...

[myTake Owner]

... but if she were to leave, it wouldn't end my life. I lived without her and I would again if she left.
My wife doesn't do the common controlling bullshit, trying to change me, emotional manipulation, childish tantrum,
emotional or physical punishment, crap that the majority of females do. She tried early on but that was stopped
very quickly. I do not tolerate childishness and expect her to act like an adult. I also treat her like an adult, I don't kid glove her or cater to her nonsense female insecurities.

I didn't marry my wife for sex. I married her because she was a good female. But again, the only actual thing
she brings to the table that I can't get elsewhere is sex. Men can't be themselves around women because women criticize and shame anything they don't like or understand. So men always alter their actions and words when
around women. Therefore meaningful and deep conversation can never be had fully with a female.

[myTake Owner]

The ball and chain thing happen not when people marry for sex, but when men allow women to play their childish bullshit.
When they let women use manipulation to control and change them. When you let a female tell you that what you are is
wrong and needs to be changed somehow. That makes men resentful and angry. Which is why my wife and I have an amazing relationship. She doesn't and won't tell me who I can talk to or hang out with, what I can or can not do.

If a female does provide (meals, clothing, and running the house) sure, I will agree they bring more to the table but it is almost impossible to find a female who does that and those who do piss and moan about how "he doesn't help".

Men care for their children, they don't need women to do it. Fatherless children are the children who fall victim to most of societies ills for a reason.

[My99legend]

The vast majority of women pull bullshit with men. I'll agree. That doesn't mean they all do. If woman is like that, then all she brings is sex, sure.
I don't expect my husband to "help out." I will take care of all thr household and womanly chores without any complaint. But in return I expect to be valued as more than an sexual object, loved, and protected.
I'm not going to tell him what he can't do, or who can hang out with. I want him to have his buddy time. That's important, and men need male companionship. If he's always glued to my hip, not only is that annoying, it's going to feminize him.
He can do whatever the heck he wants as long as he's not acting like a irresponsible person and spending excessively or cheating.

[My99legend]

My idea of MGTOW is based off of the MGTOW men I've talked to on here.
I see MGTOW as a step up from Incels, and equal to Nazi-Feminist on the level of extreme.
Both sides are wrong in my opinion.

[ThisAndThat]

While a lot of females will say, it's not me, I have nothing to do with it, they continue to reap the special privileges and freedom that men don't have enjoying the status quo just as those that has everything to do with the way things are. MGTOW is the only way to go in a society where women control the system that oppresses and dominates men.

[MzAsh]

@hellionthesagereborn I think the qualities mentioned in the article in question are pretty reasonable for anyone who cares to have a real relationship with anyone. So yes, some qualities are interchangeable between men and women, or at least they should be. To for the Anon who wrote this MyTake to say that men don't care about things like encouragement, support, companionship and that they actually care about sex and for women to leave them alone (in other words shut the hell up) is incredibly foolish. What type of woman wants a man who only values these things in her? None of their right sense. There's absolutely no way I'd accept that attitude in a relationship with a man.

My point is, maybe if Anon DID value women for more than just sex and space then maybe he'd encounter women of better quality and wouldn't have such a negative attitude about them.

[Anonymous]

You know, you are correct that because you are an anonymous it doesn’t make the truth untrue.
But, we can’t take seriously someone who chooses to hide behind the anonymous bar when talking about something so controversial.
It’s like wanting to avoid the backlash and the consequences that they’ll come for writing that.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Okay but your basically admitting you wouldn't take him seriously to begin with so whats the point? I mean he would almost certainly be blocked by many many women (I find its primarily women who do the blocking), he will be personally attacked even though again, if you have an argument against what he says then it should be against what he says (hence his disclaimer because this is a favored tactic, to attack the person not the argument). I am not going anonymous so if I where to say he is relatively accurate would you take what I have stated seriously?

[myTake Owner]

Understanding the hate and vitriol of feminist and the tactics they use to silence and attack... the reason for being anon is simple. Feminist will try to destroy a life to silence someone, they will go to any means necessary.
It isn't about "hiding from backlash"... it about keeping my family and friends safe from doxxing psychopaths.

[englisc]

That's not gonna happen here, you're being a little paranoid. Most of my views are offensive to those kinds of people, nothing has happened to me.

[Kkaos]

Stop searching for reasons to discredit him and focus on the argument.

[myTake Owner]

@Kkaos Exactly. Thank you sir.

[Lela247]

Honestly, I go anon on here cause I put out too much of myself and feel exposed 😂 I feel no shame

[samoht89]

most people on here, who go anonymous, are fucking cucks. they just don't know how to tell the truth, and then they hide

[MzAsh]

I think it’s funny that you start with your own shaming tactics (calling Thought Catalog an anti male garbage blog).

What you say men want and what they actually respond to are two totally different things.

There are two types of men: high quality men and lower quality men.

High quality men value a woman’s mind, support, companionship, partnership, etc and lower quality men want sex and food on the table, then for her to shut the hell up.

So which do you think you belong in?

[englisc]

Mostly true. Women, feminist women at least, complain that men are controlling and that we have such ridiculously high standards and expectations for them but it's mostly not true.

If anything I think this is projection - in fact this is true for almost everything they complain about.

Many women are all of those things, feminist women especially. They have lists of expectations for men as long as their arms. They love to dictate to men how we should behave, what we should do, what we shouldn't do.

But if a man has a list of expectations, especially if the woman in question doesn't fit them, he's a sexist, misogynist pig. In fact it's almost like the list of thing they WON'T do for a man because sexism are as long as the list of things they expect a man to do for them.

In the past men had places where they could go and hang with other men without any female influence. When women are around they have to tone everything down because women are more easily offended. As a result the place becomes more feminised as it changes to suit women as per their demands. They expect the group to adapt to them, they don't adapt to the group. There are few male spaces nowadays because feminists can't help but poke their noses in and force female inclusion, they can't just leave men alone. They feel the need to influence them everywhere. Meanwhile, they want female only spaces, which men do not care about and are mostly happy to give them, to be free from male influence.

They paint men as dictators, but they love to dictate. They then complain about guys who play video games, without realising that the reason guys play those games is largely because that's the only place they get to be men anymore without some bitch trying to dictate their behaviour - and in a way, telling them that they're stupid for wanting this is another example of them trying to dictate and control men. I'm not a video game player myself but even I can see this.

When it comes to marriage and children, or just a relationship, it is possible to avoid that trap of being under the thumb of the woman. You just have to be very clear about your boundaries, be willing to walk away if she doesn't compromise, and take steps to protect yourself if you do decide to leave. Just take away their power. Most guys who are under the thumb like that just lack backbone.

[Anonymous]

OK, I am BEYOND confused and I'm not sure whether to praise or dispute. I guess I'll do both, cause while I support aspects of MGTOW, I prefer some feminist thoughts over conservative/traditional anti-feminist thought. WHY? Because MGTOW supports giving men the power to be free and happy whether he wants a woman in his life or not. I take MGTOW at face value, the "going my own way" part in particular, meaning, I can both agree and disagree with popular aspects of MGTOW? Men's Rights, but do the same with feminism. I guess I'll begin with the first pic. GROSS over generalization for BOTH genders! On one hand, this seems to be an ATTEMPT to make men look better, but it makes us look STUPID! FLAT OUT STUPID! I don't just want "sex, loyalty, and being left alone" when it comes to relationships! That stuff is reserved for SEX TOYS not other humans! I would agree that women often demand a lot, but if it can't even get the gender it's attempting to praise right, WHY would I trust it's opinion on women or anything at all?
Moving on, I'm glad you seemed to clear up the pic a bit in the next like 3 paragraphs. Kudos. I do wish you got into the topic of women often offering SEX and that's it. Because it's a VERY important factor! This is a HUGE reason why I am not 100% anti feminist! Feminism SUPPORTS women to go out and WORK! To SERVE in the military! And to do whatever the fuck they want! As how it SHOULD be! On the other hand, the conservative, traditional, housewife kinda role that anti feminist women seem to LOVE (and many men don't realize is a way of FUCKING THEM OVER until it's too late!), is GOLDDIGGING! This is why I think you should have gone into the sex thing more cause this is a HUGE reason men don't marry! GOLDDIGGERS! Women who simply think their very existence of being a women that can be used as a sex toy and somebody to do simple housework/child care deserves recognition and praise, meanwhile, let's be honest, it's FEMINISTS that are FINE with BOTH housework/childcare AND making their own money! And THEY are the ones willing to keep the house afloat financially should something happen to their husband's job! Meanwhile, these conservative/golddigger types would rather divorce, get child support money and find some other sucker to be a sex toy for! Now, this isn't to say I won't call out feminism for it's hypocrisy, bc it DOES exist, given they often only like men that fuckin hate them, but still, it surpasses golddigger mentality if you can getone

[Opinion Owner]

Also, if you agree with what I'm saying, I'm basically echoing the article you claim not to like. Think about it. How many "anti feminist" women, the conservative, traditional, selfish, gold digging sex toy robots in human form would agree with this: " If you live together, are you being an equal or appropriate contributor financially and doing household work? " Is this NOT something that's an issue? Do you WANT to be the sole provider for a women just for sex? Hell, UN GUERENTEED sex? Think about this m8. I know it's easy to jump on the anti feminist band wagon, but MGTOW and feminism share some values if you look closely. And anyways, MGTOW isn't supposed to be a mob mentality, but independent thinking for any man who wants to go "THEIR OWN WAY." Men need to open their eyes! Start supporting EQUALITY between men and women! DEMANDING it! They have demands on it, but so do we! (think child support, divorce, etc) Let's gain benefits for all instead of constant bickering!

[Opinion Owner]

That AND wipe out golddiggng sluts for good! A thing I may add, is I am in FULL SUPPORT of sex robots for both genders. I think it's STUPID that some "feminists" consider it bad and it shows the hypocrites within them, while further making the group of actually true and smart ones smaller with MORE of a undeserved bad look on them! Sex bots OBVIOUSLY are going to be built for everyone, no matter sexual preference. If it actually gains popularity like I hope, while yes, social isolation and problems can occur, as with ANY technology, the benefits are NUMEROUS because it no longer makes another human a requirement for sex, and I think that'd be GREAT! It'd put golddiggers in their place, killing them quickly, It'd lower sexual disease, and perhaps, NO HUMAN will be sexualized because that's the job now of robots :) With that, why would harrassment, cat calling, and rape occur anymore when any sexual urge is taken out on the robot?

[Opinion Owner]

In this world, women would no longer carry any kind of sexual appeal whatsoever. Maybe a bit would remain there, sure, but it won't be as serious and crude anymore. There'd legit be no reason, even from the most sexist guy, cause sex robots took it away. Health can finally stop having underlying themes of looking sexy, but actually what it's meant for, which is to take care of yourself! I would hope with all this, a huge wave of men would no longer see women so different from themselves as it should be. As after all, a big underlying reason men see women differently is sex isn't it? The whole "be a certain way" to get sexual pleasure would be pointless. This would FORCE all women to find work that's not about sexualizing themselves, and I would think lesser sexism would put a more even number of women in any position. I think this sounds pretty ideal don't yall? If ya want to attack feminism on hypocricy, THIS is a point to do it on! Praise it where needed, call it out where needed!

[AlphaGhost]

Woman fuck up the concept of marriage pretty bad and crossed the line BUT now complains about it and tend to actually feed them bias, that of-course some people won't marry but others will,
I can only speak about gen and we absolutely hate the marriage for variety of reason
1) Marriage use to guarantee SEX but now its free and marriage actually decreases the amount of sex you can have rather than providing it.
2) Marriage use to guarantee the continuation of generation but now you can even have kids at 17 and you don't have to put up with bias

There is nothing that marriage can offer to guys cuz emotional support and stuff like that can be attained with G. f or guys. I am amazed How the woman still try to DEFEND The 10,000BC concept cuz it favours them, attacks everything traditional apart from it.
There are consequences of every decision and its by time woman accept these new rules CUZ MAN have tasted the aroma of multiple pussies and its gona be very very hard to force him to taste only one this time.

[AlphaGhost]

The woman leaving dislikes can bother to explain them?

or don't do it. I can understand "you are woman" and you can only think with hormones and emotions.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I disagree. I mean I definitley understand where your coming from and I would say it is a reasonable statement you have made however I would disagree on the notion that sex is all women have to offer. I think women have far more to offer then sex, the problem is they simply don't. Women are not nurturing as they once where, they are not loyal and loving they are not willing to cook clean or do anything else, they currently have been taught to feel entitled to everything and superior to men in all ways. This has removed all the valuable traits that are non sex related which leaves us with just sex. So I would say they currently have only sex to offer because they refuse to act like women, they refuse to concede that men and women are in fact different and treating mens needs as interchangeable with women's needs is just idiotic and any basic interaction with men should have divested them of such an absurd notion but for some reason hasn't. But other then that yes I agree, I don't need her financial success because it means nothing I don't have access to that and I am still expected to be financially responsible for her, I don't care about her being "strong" because I actually AM strong and I don't need her to pretend like she could some how protect me (she couldn't, at best she would be a detriment in such situations), I don't need her to act like a man because if I wanted a man I would go after men not women.

[ThisAndThat]

I do agree about the sex part as well.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ThisAndThat Its a real shame too.

[MzAsh]

Many women such as myself need men to also be nurturing and to cook and clean. None of this "Me Tarzan, you Jane" nonsense. None of my relationships have worked that way.

Maybe for a hard trad con woman that arrangement will suffice but not for the lot of us. Maybe this is at least part of why women just simply don't anymore.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh None of your relationships have worked that way? Does that not then imply that all of them where failures that deviated from the model stated? The fact is statistical data shows rather conclusively what women want in a man and its not him doing house work any more then a man wanting a woman to act like a man. So between what women say they want (who then go on to have failed relationship after failed relationship and suffer from chronic depression (not a jab, statistically women are the biggest consumers of anti depressants and women in general have been getting more and more depressed since the 50s where they where overwhelmingly happy and satisfied with life (by their own admission))) vs. what the statistical data shows us (men who do house work and less masculine tasks and behaviors have less sex with their spouse then men who don't do house work. Men who out earn their wives are more likely to have more sex, happier marriages and are less likely to get divorce. Women in traditional relationships with traditional roles are happier, less likely to divorce/cheat, and more satisfied with their sex lives, etc. etc.), I'm going to go with what the statistical data says. Not saying you can't live your life any way you see fit, I'm only saying that statistically your far more likely to be miserable and alone for it. But as they say, "you do you".

[MzAsh]

Men should not be doing or *not doing* house chores to have more sex because of what some data might imply. Men (and women) should be doing them regardless. Because that’s what all grown ass adults have to do.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh Sure, but its not women going out cleaning the gutters is it? They are not out mowing the lawn are they? They are not out doing all the physical manual labor are they? They are also not going out and producing the bulk of the income and paying the bulk of the bills. They are not spending large sums of money on their husbands/boyfriends now are they (all of this based upon statistical data and surveys answered by women). So yeah we all have responsibilities, its just that those responsibilities are divided based upon gender (as per women's wishes, well historically, now women dont' want any responsibility. I mean lets be honest, your not the one going down stairs in the middle of the night when you hear a crash, its him who is expected to risk himself. Its almost certainly not you being the primary bread winner, its him. Its not you spending two to four times as much as he is on valentines day or anniversaries.). So yeah, You want "equality" but you don't actually want that, you want all the respect that men get but none of the responsibilities that men have that got them the respect to begin with. You want all of the privileges women get, but none of the responsibilities that came with them. That's why most people hate "non traditional" women, well any man who has a back bone anyway, because its all about you getting to do what ever you feel like and him getting fucked over. As for the sex, that was just evidence that women find a man who is masculine as more desirable, i. e. this is what WOMEN want. I mean, you ask any guy if he wants to have to do all the things that women expect of him and he will tell you most certainly not.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh We don't want to work our asses off so you can go off and spend all of our money (80% of domestic spending is done by women, 70% globally, despite the fact that women only generate about 30-40% of income). No man wants to have to do the grueling physical labor jobs. You think a guy wants to go out in the middle of a blizzard and fix power lines instead of staying at home in bed with the only expectation being that he cooks some meals and does some laundry? Of course not. Do you think manual laborers enjoy going out and doing physical jobs with busted up spines that they can't afford to fix (quite common sadly) while giving the bulk of his money to his wife, just so his wife can work part time (if he is lucky)? Of course not. But that's male responsibility which again, its not women demanding this responsibility, these sacrifices, its just women, like yourself, demanding that they be treated as if they where making these sacrifices. So yeah, again, this is what the data shows, this is what women want, you can argue all you want in order to try and justify why your miserable, that's fine, but I'm going to go with science on this one and not the words of a bitter miserable woman (no offense, but its fairly apparent that you are and now your trying to convince every one your poor life choices are not the source of your misery, its men who are the problem. Because you know, feminism.). But I get it, you don't like what the data says so it must not be true. Do you also disagree with all the other science? Like the ones that produce the life saving drugs to various diseases? or is it just the ones that show you that your ideology is what is harming you not men?

[MzAsh]

I’ve been happily married for over 11 years in a very egalitarian marriage. We make about similar amounts of money but I will be making more than him soon because I’ve got two careers that I am very passionate about and have worked hard to make a comfortable income from.

I have everything i want and need in life. Even though the hardest thing I’ve ever gone through was losing my mom a few years back, I’m proud to say I’ve never had a depressed bone in my body. Never had to take any medication for any of that stuff but I’ve had to leave behind a few exes who did have depression and anxiety.

I’m 34, 98 lbs, sexy as hell, with the man of my dreams who thank god isn’t above doing his own damn dishes, I have my dream job, live by beach.

I don’t have a problem doing anything traditionally masculine and neither does he.

I’ll clean the gutters, mow the lawn, be the breadwinner protect the home. It’s not a big deal to me. Actually we had a woman mowing our lawn all last summer. We’ll hire her this year too.

If anyone wants to *hate Non traditional* people then that is their burden, not ours.

Let them be miserable but that’s not me. I don’t hate anyone.

I’m just not going to be told to live how I know I don’t want to live.

They can do whatever they want, but I’ll I won’t feel bad making money off of coaching and counseling the the dainty delicate cucked and chucked ladies who thought they wanted a masculine man but instead got a man who thought he could use masculinity as an excuse to cheat and be a dominant piece of crap. I won’t hesitate to help them build their own empires, become strong women, and leave all the bullshit behind them. I’ll take much pride in it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh Then why are you here trying to prove to me how happy you are?

[MzAsh]

Your accusations of me not being happy needed to be corrected.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh No, I mean before that. Your here pushing this idea, your ignoring all the data in a desperate attempt to push your belief on others, why? Happy people don't do that generally speaking, they don't tell every one else in the world that the way they do things is wrong and they have to do things their (your) way. That's something that people who are desperately trying to justify their life choices do. Investment bias, you have invested so much into an ideology you need to justify why you do it. Now aberrations always exist, their are always exceptions so its entirely possible that you are the magical unicorn who is the exception to the rule HOWEVER the fact that you fight against what is shown to be true so hard suggests heavily that your not actually happy and that you are lying to yourself and others when you claim to be. Personally I don't actually care, its your life and its your choice. If you wish to go against tradition for no particular reason, to claim that your way makes you happy even though its fairly clear your not all that happy (again, you don't push other people into your life if your happy, you don't criticize others for saying that that way of life doesn't make you happy) that is fine and entirely your prerogative. No one should ever force you to live differently. I'm merely pointing out what all the data says, that all data shows traditional relationships with traditional roles makes men and especially women happier. That the data shows that the "progressive" relationship style increases the probability of cheating and divorce and general unhappiness in ones relationship. That all the data shows that as we have deviated from this women in particular have become increasingly less happy. I am pointing this out because clearly what you claim works for you, doesn't really work for the overwhelming majority. The fact that you would try to stamp out this truth shows that it is something that bothers you and thus, you are not really happy with it.

[MzAsh]

I never push anything on to anyone else. In fact I stated that others can live however they choose, but that I have my own way that works for me that is deviant from many traditional standards. Their way isn’t wrong, it’s just not for everyone. That’s my only point.

The women I coach for advice come to me. I wouldn’t question the flaws of traditional ways if so many women didn’t need my advice.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh and yet here you are, actively trying to "correct" me and readily dismissing all the substantial data we have showing that traditionalism is what people actually want in general (which of course makes the most sense since we wouldn't have practiced it for thousands of years if every one hated it (rather stupid to presume otherwise). Women who go to you almost certainly do not live traditionally, in fact they probably live in a pseudo traditional fashion, the same that is pushed by feminist every where. That is to say, the man is traditional and the woman is free to be as irresponsible as she chooses, what is his is hers and what is hers is also hers. That of course makes most people miserable because deep down we all want to contribute, we all want responsibility because it allows for personal growth while feminism offers only indulgences. But again, you can say what ever you wish, dismiss all the overwhelming data showing that in general women and men both want traditional roles and traditional relationships, but don't come here telling me that your perfectly fine with others living their lives the way they see fit even as you actively try to tell me how I am wrong, that all the data is wrong and how we need to live like you do. That's just hypocritical.

[MzAsh]

I’m correcting you on your accusations against me personally.

[MzAsh]

How long have you been married in your traditional marriage?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh You can't "correct" some one if they make the comment AFTER your initial remark. Just saying. As for me, I'm not married, I am trying to find a proper woman to be with, one who doesn't sleep around, go after the "bad boy" etc. all of which has been made incredibly difficult thanks to the culture that people like you inspire i. e. the idea that one can be irresponsible for their entire life with no consequence and that we are not some how innately driven towards certain qualities and we don't have innate predispositions despite the substantial evidence to the contrary (not to mention common sense). Also that's an irrelevant question as I have already pointed out, aberations exist and that is the logical fallacy of appealing to the anecdote i. e. looking for a singular exception then claiming that it is the rule which of course under any other circumstance we would both agree would be moronic yet when it supports your position you are more then happy to try and use it as evidence. As I said, if you where happy you wouldn't be trying to prevent people from suggesting another way (because if your way was the right one, you wouldn't need to force people into that life by preventing them from hearing other options). Yet here you are going out of your way to tell me that I am wrong, that all the data is wrong and that we are wrong for not doing what YOU want us to do, that because we believe different we must their fore be wrong and thus corrected. That is a sign of you being unhappy regardless of whether or not you wish to admit it. As I said, I just go by what science says, what common sense says, do as you will I don't care, but again, don't start a fight then claim your not starting a fight.(Yes I know your "not", but just read your initial comment and then be honest with yourself so we can both move on from this, its getting tiring arguing with some one who refuses to be honest with themselves).

[MzAsh]

I see. Your hostility towards me makes much more sense now. I find it interesting that you suggest that studies (which you have yet to provide a single link, source, or reference for) show an overwhelming majority of women want traditional relationships yet you can’t seem to find one at age 34. Interesting. 🤔

I promote women to act against promiscuous behavior and against giving any attention to bad boys. To understand the difference between higher value men and lesser men. When they come to me, I help them gain self confidence and self worth.

You’re trying to blame me and people like me for creating a culture in which you can’t find a proper woman.

Perhaps you just aren’t a proper man yet and can’t take responsibility for that.

This makes you the hypocrite.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh Well, its weird that you would claim that I'm being hostile towards you when you actively went out of your way to insult me (which is what started this whole fiasco to begin with). You started the fight but now are claiming to be the victim, where the hell is personal responsibility? Oh yeah, your a feminist, you don't actually believe in that. As for the studies, why would I post the studies that your going to completely ignore? WE have been through this many times, last time I posted evidence you blocked me. Now you have unblocked me so you can start a fight with me again? Seems kind of like a shitty thing to do. Also no, your assessment is wrong (and so typical of people like yourself). I can't find a relationship at my age because I spent the good part of my life overcoming the horrifically violent abuse and rape I experienced as a child. It really messed me up and I wasn't able to trust people for a long time and then I was a bit behind on the whole "how to date" thing. Now that I've played catch up I'm finding it difficult because women significantly younger (early to mid twenties) are convinced that people like you are correct and all men are pure evil so any traditional views, when applied to women (again, obviously women demand traditionalism in men, its to beneficial for women to give that up, its only when it applies to women that its an issue), are viewed as wrong. Then I have the other end with women my age who either are married because they held the same views as myself (nothing wrong with that mind you, they chose well and they deserve their relationships) OR they are like yourself who jumped from guy to guy, partied and indulged themselves never actually trying to build themselves up and now that their looks are fading and their ability to reproduce is coming to an end they want to lure unwitting men into relationships (yes, this is most definitely a thing) out of self interest not out of love. That's the problem.

[MzAsh]

I blocked you because you are out of your mind. Look at all the accusations you throw at me, saying I partied and jumped from guy to guy. Wtf you even talking about? I never did any of that. You are projecting to a disturbing degree. You should probably seek professional help instead of projecting your problems on to feminism. That is the least of your issues.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh As for claims of my "hostility" for you, that is also incorrect. I don't care about you, you don't matter so I have no reason to be hostile (I'm inclined to think your rather self centered if you think that you matter so much to a random person on the internet who doesn't know you and has thus far made no attempt to seek you out actually cares about you). As I said I am only responding because you tried to attack me, I then explained why what you said is wrong and have been doing that ever since. So again, you are in fact a hypocrite as you are actively seeking out a fight then playing victim (a rather distasteful tactic. I'm all for an intellectual discussion but this isn't cerebral for you, its clearly personal). You are claiming to be fine with others living their own lives yet your first comment to me on this was, to quote, ". . . None of this "Me Tarzan, you Jane" nonsense." which was meant to disparage everything I have stated. Again, your very first comment was to disparage people who think differently then you. Now you turn around and claim victimhood? Grow up. As for the sources, I'll give you a list of them so you can promptly ignore them and argue how your way is the right way and every one else in the world, all of our ancestors where entirely wrong but YOU, YOU in your infinite wisdom and omniscient know what is best. How do I know this is how you will react? Well you have done it before, as every single woman like you has done time and time again. Because for you and those like you, what is the truth, what is most efficient, what others wish to do with their lives does not matter, what matters above all others things, above all people, is YOUR ideology. Again, your going to argue and argue and argue otherwise and your also going to ignore all data and keep making excuses because that's what people like yourself do. I never told you how to live your life, I told you what data says and that your behavior suggests heavily that you are unhappy.

[MzAsh]

Then you actually have the audacity to tell me I’m insulting you, insinuating I’m playing the victim card then you go into your own victim hood. Good lord. Get a therapist.

[MzAsh]

At least you admitted to me that it’s you who is messed up due to abuse. It would be wise for you quit recycling toxic and abusive behavior online, as I can see you frequently do.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh www.nytimes.com/.../...marriage-mean-less-sex.html
link.springer.com/.../s11199-011-0017-2
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2011-00627-007
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4273893/
http://ftp.iza.org/dp4200.pdf
www.huffpost.com/.../whats-happening-to-womens_n_289511
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...dwinner-stereotype.html
Their are your studies, or at least some of them (I look forward to all of your excuses, that is if you don't outright dismiss them to begin with).

[MzAsh]

Thank you! See I knew you had it in you. I’ll look them over because I’m writing a blog post about egalitarian relationships.

Look, I may have gotten a little hasty. I didn’t come here to pick a fight with you. I came here because someone sent me this link to this mytake because I’m the author of the article that the anon person linked.

I wrote it years ago because I wanted to get women thinking about what they give rather than what they get. I thought it would anger feminists but instead it sent a mob of angry MGTOW to harass me. I’ve got them handled though. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t.

I can’t say I know what it’s like to be abused but everything does make more sense now. I should have more sympathy for how it impacts your views and your ability to properly relate with women. I wish you well and I hope that you are recovering from the damage that was done.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh Your conceit and narcissism is palpable. My "view" of women has nothing to do with my up brining. A man also did those things to me, does that color my view of men as well? What is my view of women exactly? Can you even detail what those views are? I'm going to guess no because your world view is clearly skewed. You probably think women where beaten through out history and are victims of grave injustices (even as the data shows the exact opposite). My view is based upon scientific studies. They are also based upon biology, women are wired for certain tasks men are wired for others (also scientifically proven without exception) and as such I look for a woman who has those traits that are most desirable for those tasks and that offset my weaknesses with her strengths. But again, your just going to twist everything because that's what you and people like you do. As for starting a fight, yes, yes you did come here looking for a fight and you did come here trying to force your world view down every one elses throat.

[MzAsh]

It’s evident the abuse you’ve endured has in fact skewed your reality and as a result you have developed unhealthy coping mechanisms. It’s ok. (Well at least I understand now.) I know now not to hold it against you as harshly as I once did. Good luck.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh Yeah you suggested that earlier, never actually mentioned what those "unhealthy" coping mechanisms are though. In fact I would guess that every woman I interact with would disagree with your assessment that I have "unhealthy" coping mechanisms. But do indulge me, what are they? Are they my near obsessive need to have data back up my beliefs? Is that the unhealthy coping mechanism? Or is it the fact that I don't personally care what others do with their lives as long as they don't hurt others? Perhaps its the fact that I am willing to continue engaging in a person who clearly means me ill and wishes to make attacks upon me and my persons rather then have a civilized discussion? At which point have I shown any negativity towards women as a whole? Never. In fact women, when they act like women and are truly themselves are quite wonderful, I simply don't like women who are bad people or who try to make every one else miserable because they are dissatisfied with their life. I don't see that as negatives, but again, enlighten me, seeing as your so much superior to me (and all men, because you know, vagina (as you have shown you believe in previous encounters)), so tell me what negative coping mechanisms do I have? Or are you going to keep it vague so you don't have to get called out on it? Just like your not mentioning all the links to information that clearly contradicts your claims?

[MzAsh]

These are things you could probably speak to your therapist about as they are trained to communicate with people affected by abuse.

But just so you know, I didn’t just unblock you. I unblocked a small list of people at the start of the new year because I believe in giving people a second chance that behave properly.

Thank you for your cooperation and sharing part of your story with me. I am glad I have come to understand the concept behind why you have these issues socially.

I have volunteered in domestic abuse crises centeres but I may have to look more into understanding childhood sexual abuse as well so I have a better understanding and can find ways to help or mentor where appropriate.

[MzAsh]

As for statistics and data, I am looking over the links you provided and collecting my own. So far I’ve found a couple of more recent findings that you might find interesting. One includes how egalitarian marriage contributes to the decline in divorce rate.

If you’d like updates on my finds you can join the newsletter. http://eepurl.com/dviVkr

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh So I have issues, but your not going to say what they are, your just going to keep it as vague as possible so you can keep making a claim without ever actually having to back it up, got it. Also you neglected to tell me how the abuse at a male affects my interactions with men, are those interactions also toxic? Also, I find it interesting that I have the toxic "coping mechanisms" because I think differently then you, so naturally according to your ideological belief I must there fore be a bad person. Yet some how I'm the toxic one. Rather interesting conclusion, completely false and fabricated so you don't have to actually address the issues at hand, but interesting. Also thank you for proving my point entirely, that is disregarding all the data I have given because you don't like it. So again, you came here to start a fight, insult me and others because we think differently then you, and have decided that I am toxic because I refuse to think like you and that I need to be "fixed"? That about sums it up right? I'm going to reiterate my previous statement I made in our last encounter, your scum bag and I have no idea why you want to be a bad person, why you enjoy trying to force people to live the way you do, why you hate them so much that you would insult and belittle them and make the (sad) attempt to use things in their life to harm them just so you can "win"(ad hominin logical fallacy, so not really a "win") an arugment. So when I say this, don't take it as an insult, its not, but something is broken inside of you, something that prevents you from being able to connect with others and to accept them being different then you and you should try to fix that because its only going to isolate you, it will cut you out of new experiences and new ideas and hinders your personal growth. Now if you will, show one act of selflessness and leave me alone, I'm done playing this game with you, I"m done with you belittling me and I'm done with your authoritarianism.

[MzAsh]

You confessed to being abused. You confessed to having it mess you up. You confessed to having trust issues. This is all evident to me now and makes sense. Beyond that, you’re asking me questions I can’t answer. I’m the one with a successful marriage almost 12 years. The reality is, you’re not. But it’s not all your fault. I hope you can come to a full recovery. I will leave you alone as you wish.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@MzAsh trust issues, not hating women issues. I was afraid others would hurt me so I was shy, I was so emotionally abused I thought I was worthless and that no one could ever love me. That's a far cry different then what you seem to be suggesting. Though not suprising considering the amount of sexism you have shown in the past. Is their anything good about men in your opinion, or are we all just worthless pieces of shit that needed to be beaten into submission? As I said before, your a scummy human being and the saddest part is you don't have to be. You could be better, but your to fixated on your beliefs to actually try and empathize with men (because lets be honest, that's who you really hate deep down inside). You have chosen to be this hateful person, did you suffer as I have? Have you been beaten and raped and starved? Have you wondered whether or not their is any one out their who cares about you, cares whether or not you live or die? No, no I don't think you have. So how in the hell do you hate people so much? Hate men so much that you would blame them for everything? That you would despise our vary innate being, despise our masculinity and your own femininity? I don't hate any one, I just want people to be the best person they can be, so how is it that I am able to do this, to want people to be happy and to accept their differences and you, who has not experienced a tenth of what I have, are so incredibly broken? Ask yourself that, maybe you can finally be happy if you figure that out.

[Curmudgeon]

Sadly, this is all too true. In recent decades, the risks and penalties of marriage for men have substantially increased and the benefits of marriage for men have decreased.

When something rewards less and pays off less, you get less of it.

Helen Smith's "Men On Strike" is a very spot on book.

As bad as ThoughtCatalog is, Jezebel, Vox and The Huffington Post are worse.

[humor_me]

agree!

[passinby]

Great take, piece of shyt article. But what do you expect from that site. That article sounded like it was targeting me. The fact that I don't want a piece of shyt woman is my pretending according to that article. Well in about 60years I will quit pretending.

[MzAsh]

It was not targeting you.

[Puppylover_129]

I respect every person opinion, I dont execpt EVERY man or woman to get/want to get married. However, I dont believe a lot of the statments about women. Out of the billions of women and marriages put there, I expect a portion of them to not work out. For many reasons, got married to early, got married for the wrong reason, or just one partner was a piece of shit. And the thing is, a lot of people believe that marriage is this thing that is suppost to be all sunshine and gumdrops and that the simplest things like an argument or disagreement proves one spouse isn't what you thought they were. While sometimes it can show who a person really is and it would be better to divorce, a lot of the time people don't put in effort. And the list of women and men things are VERY stereotypical. Men too want more in a partner. Men also want a independent woman who has a nice job, money, stability. And there's nothing wrong with wanting a partner who has their shit together.

[Puppylover_129]

If a man only has those things on his list of requirements or preference, ots low key the reason they get hurt so often, because the things a person is, says a lot about them. Men should have standards to, cause that's how they can get into trouble. The same goes for women. Also, sex, it is important. Idc what y'all think of it. That's why communication is key. In my opinion. And understanding. Nobody is a sex servant. I can't personally relate to many because i like it to much, to me its a great stress reliever (no im not a whore, im in a relationship with the only guy I've had sex with) and I think its needed in most relationships (asexual this doesn't involve you lovelys)

[Puppylover_129]

Lastly, when you have a woman thats got her shit together, you have a friend and a partner. Im grateful to have had parents together for over 49 years, my mother helped and stayed by my dad through some tough shit. They are each others rocks, he gets the emotional support and someone to help him with stuff, chores, bills etc my mom made it clear with my two sisters and I how to act. We arnt any gold digger, petty ass bitches. I dont understand why women do shit to husbands, just like how some men can't understand some men who do bad shit in their life. People suck. The trick is to file through the assholes and start looking for cues. There out there. Cause bitter people who have had bad luck are trying to spread their "wisdom" about marriage when it's really not the case. Marriage is like a gun. In the right hands nobody gets hurt, everyone is safe and protected. But in the wrong hands, marriage is a weapon, a tool for murder or many things (money, jobs, reputation, etc)

[AlphaGhost]

You can't tell and force men in to believing "What's good for him?" by giving woman perspective about things.
That's what the guy is trying to tell ladies "You can take care of your own shit" and let him take care of his shit and DON"T TRY TO force it upon him.
You can't tell what a man want and judging by your age I am 90% sure the guys won't have told you truth either, they would have feed you bias in order to "get in to your pants" but you bought it for truth or wisdom.
You can and can't blame him for that cuz its our way of winning and woman offer defence by making it hard for us to get it from her.

[Benedek38]

I actually agree with the article for the most part, and I don't see why you are ranting. You don't want to get married. I get it. It's not exactly a life insurance.

I am as tired of feminism as the next person, but this was actually an insightful article. I highly encourage women to read it and think long and hard about it.

[coralee]

It's interesting how you think men know what women want but women can't possible know anything about what men want. But anyways if you don't want to get married, don't. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you too. Plenty of people stay single their entire lives and live highly productive lives. Be who you are don't make apologies for it.

[myTake Owner]

At no point did I say that men "know" what women want.
Also, I am married. Very happily. None of that has any relevance to the truth of my statements.

The post was a response to a twat feminist article who specifically went on a rant to me in another post about how men are scum because they no longer want relationships with women, then she sent this article she wrote.
The stats show that men are generally getting the hell away from women (outside of sex) and there is a lot of reasons why. Most of them are because of the entitled, child minded female mentality of today.

[Smegskull]

I think it states women do know what men want. I think the point is women are just in denial about what men want because of the implications it has on them.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah women! Y'all better get your crap together!!!

[abetterme]

That list sure makes a lot of assumptions about what women want that are pretty extreme. It’s pretty offensive and outright slanderous to the character, intent, and hearts of women as a whole. And men only want a loyal sex partner? I would like to think there are men out there who also want to be with someone who was a friend and teammate aim life. His is a pretty warped viewpoint.

[abetterme]

*Who is *this Autocorrect

[lilaqua]

ahhh I love the generalisations, oh and yeah coralee is right if you're not going to marry literally no one cares (except for maybe your grandma) so stop talking about it. Up until around a year ago I had decided i'd stay single for life and I didn't want all this ridiculous fanfare.

[myTake Owner]

I love how women get all butthurt when someone generalizes a common trait of females but have never had issues with men being generalized for endless numbers of things.
Here's the thing... males have traits that are general across the gender, women have traits that are general across the gender. That doesn't mean EVERY person, it means the general populous. FFS.
Learn the difference between general and universal statements. If you don't fit the demographic, don't get butthurt and vengeful, simply accept that you are outside the norm and move on.
"Women are more emotional than men" is a general statement and is a true statement.
"ALL women are more emotional than ALL men" is a universal statement and would be false.

Also, learn how to take some criticism, not everything is going to be positive in life.

[AlphaGhost]

If you can't understand the simple concept of "general statement" then I think you should have someone else making life decisions for you in the future. Your future and road ahead is gona be bloody and shit as hell cuz society is very cold and calculating,
try to behave and learn harsh lessons about life sometimes you have to give up a little for greater good.

[lilaqua]

The problem is there not even general statements, they're just untrue stereotypes. It kind of comes off like you've never actually been around any women in a non-mantic sense and had some really bad experiences.

[AlphaGhost]

I am not 21 darling not 19 and you will soon learn the importance of these stereotypes, I am not saying not each-one of them is absolutely right but majority about basic woman psychology can hold their ground pretty well.
I don't have any bad experience cuz I can manipulate my way up to the top and I have my seen some GREAT WOMAN and one of them is my G. F.
She can cook, behave in feminine way, kick guys ass, MD and take care of household stuff too, the majority of modern woman are lazy and they tend to behave they can do both but She proves otherwise and cuz of her I am able to focus on sensitive surgeries.
She is everything a man can desire in woman but still She have some typical woman stereotypes (Jealousy and agent-47 lvl investigation) and I love her for that cuz it shows her woman side.

[lilaqua]

Ahh I just re read the article and I realised this doesn’t paint women in a bad light as much as it does men. Kind of sad really. I’m surprised the author thinks so little of your fellow man quite frankly.

[lilaqua]

@AlphaGhost ok? You’re not really responding to me but bragging. Great I don’t really care

[AlphaGhost]

No I am just telling you, If She can behave in that certain way every woman in world will do the same and I am in relationship with her for 5 years, so my experience is kind of limited to her. I am not saint and I have seen plenty of woman resorting to basic biology in the end and there is nothing wrong with it.

[Mickey9999]

You’re far too you to be that cynical of women so it makes me wonder the type you choose. We tend to generalize the sexes with the bad experiences we have had but no, not all women are controlling and in it for a man’s money nor are all men cheaters and emotionally unavailable. The problem is any relationship is a risk. A big risk. A risk because you don’t know if they are being their true selves honestly. We see and believe what we want/desire to unfortunately.

[ThisAndThat]

The steaks are way too high for men not to generalize women. All women control the same system men have to live by. I'm glad I'm MGTOW.

[CasaNorba]

I agree all the way brother!

feminists really can't handle the truth. they can't seem to grasp that concept of "you're either part of the solution or part of the problem."

[SkipStop]

Excellent. 100% true for the majority.
Especially in the 21st century.

[Anonymous]

I think we should take to saying the "not all of them" line whenever women point out their good points.

"Oh, yeah? Well women can have babies!"
Not all of them

"Women are pretty and have style"
Not all of them

[maiave]

That's a very sexist mindset you have there. Haha. "Women are like this", "men are like this". Personality traits have nothing to do with your gender. You seem like you are one of those guys who blame women because no one wants to date you.

[ThisAndThat]

You you say is the common misconception women have about MGTOW men, them not being able to find dates etc etc. However the majority of MGTOW men are highly educated to include engineers doctors lawyers just to name some that quit dating for the fear of women and the system.

[Nicebutnotlast]

I think, generally speaking, you associate with a group of very homogenous men if they want little more than for a woman to love them and give them their space. It sounds to me like most of your experience of men and women comes straight out of some pretty unimaginative sitcoms.

[myTake Owner]

My experience with women comes from "my experiences with women" and every male I know and their experience with women, not in any way sitcoms.

You can't honestly tell me you have never had a female try and stop you from doing something "she didn't like", or hang out with someone, etc.
Famous lines are "I'm not comfortable with..." "I really wish you wouldn't...", etc.

You have never had a female use emotional or physical punishment because you didn't do what she wanted or did something she didn't like? No sex because "you fucked up", sleeping on the couch because you "should have known better", etc.

You have never had a female try and "change you for the better" by stopping you from being who you were?

I am very skeptical about that unless you found the unicorn this early in the game.

[ThisAndThat]

I would only imagine that by space he means having a little time to be with his friends or so some things that he'd like to do.

[Wifflesnoofer63]

Everything you wrote is 100% true. Notice all the shaming language from the females here.