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This is the best piece I have read in a long time on the reasons men are so disenfranchised and cynical about women and marriage today. I couldn't have said it as well as you did, but you expressed pretty much all my thoughts on the subject.
The simple fact is that most of today's women fail the cost/benefit analysis. The rewards of marriage no long justify the costs and risks for men.
Well, people are so nasty these days. There's no kindness anymore. Selfishness is the new virtue. So, in that atmosphere, it's hard to justify getting into a voluntarily lifelong commitment to anyone.
Nah I disagree that men just want a traditional wife and don't care about their career/ambition etc. At least that's not true for me personally.
I hope my future partner is ambitious and passionate about her career, hobbies, life etc. and I hope she's interesting. I'm actually really attracted to someone adventurous and ambitious. Of course I hope she's a good partner and a good parent too, but idrc about the traditional housewife aspect.
I agree with the part about men getting fucked in court/custody battles though. A divorce happens and men are pretty much guaranteed to lose custody which is fucking ridiculous.
Perfect my take and I totally agree I been saying this for years , bottom line most Females are very selfish people a lot of them can not be content they constantly want and constantly compare but little do they know their own female race fucked it all up for them wanting rights to work and have careers and be independent, so society gave that to them and look what happened? Our economy is shit , cost of things increased like crazy , nowadays most people need 2 incomes to survive because females couldn’t stop their bitchen and stay in the kitchen lol Now a days most the females don’t want to work at all , they seek men that make good money and want to be taken care of , Men nowadays don’t want that ,! they want a partner a team mate to survive in this economy that female ruined for all of us. I hate to say it so bluntly but it’s true Girls will never be satisfied , if you find one that is you hit the lottery
Men don’t wanna settle cause mariage mean that they can no longer fuck around. You can be the perfect package as a girl and have an intense connection with him, but if he doesn’t wanna commit and still crave variaty he will always cringe if you ever talk about a relationship, just like a few years later he can buy a ring to a girl who’s less attractive and bitchy and that he dated a few months for the simple reason that he’s ready to get married.
Pretty much.
XD yeah that's how it works, because everyone values the same things so therefore if you view yourself as the perfect package then everyone else should too. "I'm 6'1, attractive, hard working, nice, caring, attentive, therefore I am the perfect package and all women should love me" this is the male equivalent of what you said lmfao.
@devilman666 I never said that the girl must be the perfect package socially. A guy’s perfect package can be a thick crazy girl and for another one it can be a thin shy interviewer nerdy girl.
*introverted
You explained the situation accurately.
When a woman makes a move on me, what I see is a former bad boy carousel rider, who would have told me to FOAD when she was 20, but is looking for a ‘good man’ now that she has slammed through the wall.
She brings with her a 65 per cent probability (the second marriage divorce rate) that after an average of eight years she will use the Family Court to steal everything that I own.
In Canada, a month ago, a court ordered a man to pay spousal support to a woman he had dated. Not married, not lived with, just dated.
Expect that to spread all through the West.
Women, as a collective, have made themselves too legally and financially dangerous to get into an elevator with one, let alone apparoach, date, be alone with, have consensual sex with, or have any type of relationship with one.
MGTOW monk.
Don't even need to read this to know its gonna be all womens and feminist fault not porn addictions and men lacking a understanding of real women. Plus there is plenty of men who are willing to commit they just don't brag about it.
When it comes to porn addicts and men lacking understanding is more nuanced than you think, but yeah the ones who are willing to commit don't brag about it indeed. You got that right. I know this because I'm one of those men lol
I'll be my typically blunt self, expecting lots and lots of downvotes and blocks for it, but here is how I see it:
In generations past, men exchanged financial security for the lifelong devotion of faithful virgin brides who gave them children to build a family legacy. If she ever cheated, she lost everything, including custody of the children.
Now men are expected to trade the same financial security for women who have had dozens or even hundreds of previous partners, and who in most states are protected by law and awarded half of everything plus alimony even if they cheat.
A new Bentley deserves a new Bentley price. A 2000 Civic does not.
Who knew that huge societal changes would have huge unintended consequences? Answer: most men
Modern women offer men less value and at a higher "price" than women of the past. It should come as no surprise to anyone that marriage has become so unappealing to men.
Yeah Merry couple should be a team even if you're not married and you're disengaged and living together should be a team you don't want one of you to walk in front of the other right you want them side by side you want your best friend you want your road dog you want your fishing buddy right well all that's good and everything else but let me tell you the ones that don't argue are the ones that have problems behind closed doors because jealousy sometimes is what it takes to keep a relationship when it's tooth and nothing's ever going to be peachy and cream so when you get into a little argument don't think your relationships over it means you just love more in my opinion
Women now a days don't want to date hardworking or average looking men at all even if they are average or below average looking. Because of easy availablity of sex to them a general rule came that fun with hot guys while young and will treat average guys or guys who are not rich but still working hard , poorly. Then when her looks fade way , settle for those guys and treat them like trash again.
Those are not my words but have heard from girls..
That's why average guys after certain years don't want to commit...
I think there's a lot of reasons as to why SOME men don't want commitment. Whilst I agree with what you've written here there's also fear of intimacy. A lot of guys are very afraid of opening up to their emotions and are very frightened of being vulnerable as it makes them feel powerless and they often withdraw.
This is usually something seen in men who've had very rigid upbringing where they were told that they shouldn't connect with their emotions.
That's a factor, but I think most men can get past that (some do struggle with it). Even in the 40s and 50s, that was a factor, but still, nearly 90% of men were married, so they found a way to move past that.
Why not just have a girlfriend you can dump if she becomes a pain in the ass? Shit why not have two? Men are the prize, we have to work to be attractive where women just have to be born.
That means there's tons of them for every one of us and every year a whole new batch turn 18.
Where men are decreasing in number the youth are more and more soyboy losers and the weaker men fall off occasionally. Numbers wise i can go out and meet maybe 1 or 2 men on my level but 50 girls.
So what makes a girl stand out from the 50? she's got to be that one or two that are extra special. Thats not because of "love" she's special, if she's not a damn slut and keeps her legs closed. Girls have to be set apart from the rest in some way to be top of the game. And since men dont care about degrees or careers hows she going to do that? Hmmm.
The bottom line is that it's a s*** deal.
Let's say you have a friend who wants to start a business together, and says you have to put down 90% of the startup costs because he doesn't have the capital. But then if the business dissolves, he says it'd be a 50/50 split. You'd tell him to take a hike.
Like the old expression goes: "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free." In other words, if women are having sex with men without the commitment, the men don't have an incentive to make a commitment.
Then we expect you as men aren’t having sex without commitment either.
It's basically this, in a nutshell. Can't tell you how many men have said quote "marriage makes no difference" when they already live and sleep together. Slowly it's becoming "marriage shouldn't make a difference". Men are usually happy with that set up, women aren't but the modern world tells you that's how it should be. It's all become meaningless BS, and despite some advances, how people navigate their relationships needs to go back many many years.
Marriage, cohabitation and childbirth are at all time lows. Women file 75% of divorces, get custody in 90% of cases through unpunished false accusations, only white men don't receive Affirmative Action in universities and the workplace, child support arrears can become a felony and spinning robot vag! na is spinnier than ever.
Dude, that one with the surprised femenist... Im at a loss for words. "who hurt you?" Is that all he can say? What in the actual fuck that's so randomly disrespectful. He laughs at it and actually handles it well. He grew up around women just like me and ofc, developed similar perspectives. Maybe that's a British humor thing cause to me sounds condescending and annoying.
Simple
It is simple as follows:
Why will someone drives 100km to buy something when he can get it next door and in half price?
Does it worth the effort invested to drive these 100km, adding fuel, food stops and etc.
Secondly why should someone drives 100km to buy something that is broken?
You know the answer, all knows the answers but each one will blame the other without really solving the problem. But no matter the solution could be, we all responsible for it, both Genders.
I think finally, after all these years, men realize that not only women have assholes. We girls have sorta become irrelevant. A gentleman can now slip his peen into a pretty trans butt and have a kewl peen to play with, too. Sadly, we don't have that extra feature :(
Wow.
@Jamie05rhs It sux to be a bio girl these dayz :( Lots of gentlemen I know want to fuck trans ass and play with peen.
@supercutebutt I'm sorry to hear that.
I don't really understand the photo, though. Who is that supposed to be depicting?
@Jamie05rhs You can't see the outline of that giant peen?
Oh, snap. I did not see that before. Sorry; I don't really look at people's crotches.
@Jamie05rhs You really should start.
@supercutebutt Lmao. I'm not sure about that. I'm pretty sure it's bad manners.
These changes weren't unintended. You spoke about the KGB influence, but there's also the influence of those who created the Frankfurt School - and they weren't Russian. They pushed these changes purposely to destabilise the West.
They were only "unintended" to the mainstream people who embraced the ideas. Obviously the Marxists knew full well what the results would be - that was the whole point of doing it, after all. The feminist LEADERSHIP class, who were fully indoctrinated Marxists, didn't really hide their intentions.
Gloria Steinem described marriage as “an arrangement for one and a half people.”
Andrea Dworkin wrote, “How can anyone love someone who is less than a full person, unless love itself is domination per se?”
Kate Millett wrote, “so long as every female, simply by virtue of her anatomy, is obliged, even forced, to be the sole or primary caretaker of childhood, she is prevented from being a free human being.”
Betty Friedan wrote, “women who ‘adjust’ as housewives, who grow up wanting to be ‘just a housewife,’ are in as much danger as the millions who walked to their own death in the concentration camps… they are suffering a slow death of mind and spirit.”
Linda Gordon said, “the nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.”
Robin Morgan said “We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.”
Mary Jo Bane said, “in order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them.”
Vivian Gornick said, “being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that.”
Helen Sullinger said, “We must work to destroy [marriage]… The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men… All of history must be rewritten in terms of oppression of women.”
Regarding the Frankurt School, they might have been displaced Germans (who fled to the US and found a home in NY's Columbia University, where they proceeded to poison the US), but their influences were overwhelmingly Marxist.
It's also definitely true that the Frankfurt School was invaluable in helping push Marxist ideas into the US culture via Universities and worked with the KGB (which essentially means the Communist Party) to subvert American culture with Marxism. And Marxists quickly took over the 2nd Wave Feminist movement (the original leaders were all pushed out and replaced by them), and were completely responsible for 3rd Wave Feminism.
BLM and (the modern) Antifa are also Marxist organizations created by openly Marxist Americans to push the same Marxist Critical Theory, which is, essentially, to destroy western civilization, presumably to replace it with a Marxist utopia. Apparently hundreds of millions of people learned absolutely no lessons from the world's other "experiments" with Marxism...
100%. It's funny to me how so many people call all of this a crazy far-right conspiracy theory. They've been so successful in programming those people that you can show them all of the evidence and they still will never understand it.
I also wonder whether it's just something which occurs once a civilisation reaches a certain level of success anyway. Have you heard of J. D. Unwin? He was a historical anthropologist who studied thousands of cultures/civilisations of the past, and he noticed a pattern. Every single culture would begin as a patriarchal culture and would be built under that system. But then they'd reach a level of success and because they lived such comfortable lives in comparison to the past the people would begin to see no value in the old patriarchal values, and they'd become more feminist. Shortly after those cultures would either collapse or be invaded/replaced with a more patriarchal culture. Feminism seems to be a sign of a culture in decline.
Oh joy. Another man who assumes he knows the thoughts of women. This take is so incredibly sexist. But I'll let you think what you want.
Several of my linked sources are women. Are they sexist too?
I'm happy to argue the information, but when you simply attack me personally, it shows that you can't argue with the information I'm presenting, and are left with personal attacks. That's revealing...
Lol I didn't attack you. And everything you said about women doesn't pertain to me. That's why I choose not to argue with you because you probably won't believe it anyway because some articles that only represent a small study group says otherwise.
Obviously I am making generalizations here. You can't write an article that talks about billions of people and not make generalizations - and of course there are always going to be exceptions when you use generalizations, but that doesn't make the generalization untrue (or sexist) - it just means that it won't apply to everyone. And that's something that most people understand without it having to be spelled out.
@Simplismilez. Well women have all but destroyed marriage and the family, sooooooo...
He does know the thoughts of women lol. It's easy to find patterns of thought in groups of people. This way you can have a basic idea of what most of those people in that group think. It won't be perfect but it'll work more then 70% of the time untill a change happens that changes the thoughts of those people in that group.
@Simplismilez. Women have no idea what they want. Women will say they want one thing but are disgusted and repulsed when they actually get it.