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Not Dating Unattractive Men...To me it's called "Being Realistic" (Page 5)
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but then what? unattractive men get to date the unattractive woman? pretty much the whole world is like this, they can only date people that there physically attracted to. personally i think this is wrong, people can't help how they look, sure men can take time to get fit (ripped) and girls can get boob jobs and make sure they stay super skinny but people shouldn't have to this to "get some".
No. The last post describes it.
Sorry the last paragraph.
Huh? I think attraction has more to do with the face then getting ripped or boob jobs.
Being fit obviously, but you can still be fit but have an unattractive face that might get you laid, but not a relationship. I'm not saying I agree with this, but its nature.
Plenty of tests have been done that men would rather have a woman with a beautiful face as a wife than one with an okay face but a great body!
No offence but what makes you think you're an 8/10? By the way, your take was shit and sex isn't an important factor in a relationship unless YOU want it to be.
What you think I look like doesn't matter. I feel like I'm an 8/10. You have no common sense though. :)
@RationalLioness Although beauty is obviously 100% subjective, there's something I want to say to you. Someone who is 10/10 would be perfect right? Since nobody is perfect then nobody can be a 10/10. So even some of the most beautiful women in the world are no higher than a 9. With that said, do you honestly think you're only 1 point below someone like Megan Fox in terms of beauty? I mean you aren't exactly ugly or anything but trust me darling, you ain't all that. So maybe lower your standards because they're probably a bit unrealistic. There's nothing that annoys me more than shallow people who set their standards waaaay too high.
Seeing as what YOU'VE said is completely subjective, what you say doesn't mean anything... lol. No one's saying that "I'm all that". I don't care what you or other people think (especially since a lot of you are hiding behind avis and yet trying to talk "big"). Just because you say something or think it, doesn't mean it's true.
They're not unrealistic. They're fine where they are. You need to gain some common sense though. :)
And you obviously seem to think you're 'all that' because you've just rated yourself 8/10. Which you aren't...
Okay whatever, have a nice day.
Being honest to yourself and the other, is that a good summary?
I wouldn't want to read all of that either. ;D
Yes. It is. :)
first part i don't understand...
Well glad that although it is already i am clear
enough to understand what you try to make clear (with a lot of words) ;-)
Lol. I'm basically trying to get people to understand that if someone is not able to sexually perform with another person they aren't attracted to, that can't be considered shallow.
And I mean... if you're so turned off by them that sex wouldn't ever happen. Knowing that sex is important in relationships, if you have this problem, it would be realistic to avoid every unattractive man while dating... so both of you don't run into problems in the relationship.
good luck with avoiding lol
That's mean... lol.
how can it be mean if i wish you good luck?
To the guys... lol. Aww...
A dumb beautiful girl having shitty personality = sex doll.
Ugh. Lucky that you can do that. I couldn't with a dumb beautiful guy and a crap personality.
I can do that o_O?
That's your take about. All you need is looks, no?
No. Are people honestly not reading what I said? I said that I can't sexually perform with an unattractive guy even if he has the greatest personality. And I can't be with a good looking guy with a shitty one.
Looks AND personality... which is what most people want I would think. I don't know where people are drumming what you're saying up.
Okay so is this take about "whom I choose fwb"?
No. It's about clarifying why people who immediately assume that others who can't sleep with "unattractive" people (deemed so by the individual) aren't necessarily shallow.
Would you call a sapiosexual shallow if that person couldn't sleep with or be in a relationship with someone that wasn't as intelligent as they are?
Some people--me and others--can't have sex with people we aren't attracted to. Which would mean that we would mean that we can't be in relationships with them either unless if sex wasn't a major factor... yet it tends to be.
Okay good. So the bottomline is: You want only Mr. Perfect. (>6 looks and >6 personality) right?
No. What is wrong with some of you? I just said no Hollywood hotties. He can be cute with a great personality.
Hollywood hotties are >8.
So how am I looking for Mr. Perfect i said no Hollywood hotties?
An attractive guy with a great personality isn't seeking the Holy Frail.
Just out of curiosity. That dude in the picture, what if he was like 5.7, no confidence, and stayed with his parents?
I don't think I could imagine him like that.. Lol.
I know a male model who is similar looking and is tall. Shit you not, guy is alien hot. But he has a crap day job and is struggling. Lives with his family. he is a bit of a pussy. Very soft and goofy. Just lost his wife now (a lingerie model) to his uglier best friend (ex friend now) Very messy. Hasn't had many women. I love the guy, brings me to earth in terms of beautiful people also have their struggles.
Date who you like, and not who wants you to like them makes plenty sense.
That guy in the picture is a legit 10... no homo.
Unless you are a fucking 8+ DO NOT talk about how you want an attractive man.
She said she knows she won't get a guy like that.
But this statement is stupid "Unless you are a fucking 8+ DO NOT talk about how you want an attractive man.."
What's attractive to her may not be attractive to me. What's attractive to me may not be attractive to her. When someone states that they want to be with someone who is attractive, they're talking about what THEY find attractive. Not a universal solid 10. There are people you'd think of as ugly that others would find attractive and vice versa. So your statement is stupid.
For the second time with you... I am not hiding from anyone
IG: @elite_calisthenics
Funny that you put yourself in the 7-8 range when you're actually in the 3-4 range by judging from your profile pic.
Get your feet back on the ground and get over yourself.
Where did I say my view is absolute?
Here you are judging people, and posting shit like:
" Your immaturity is showing. "
"And your opinion doesn't matter"
"Many guys only focus on the looks "
"Nothing I said was subjective "
"Okay. I've branded you as an idiot. "
You realise your logic when it comes to bashing people who are not agreeing with you is retarded, right?
Who are you to call out other people's maturity level when you display this kind of behaviour?
"I bash irrational losers like yourself"
"Do you literally have zero brain cells?"
"It's not a surprise that you seem to be too dumb to get it"
As Socrates said: "
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
I find it amusing that you call yourself "rational" yet your debating technique is at the best highly questionable. You don't win arguments by insulting people who disagree with you.
It's not about "winning arguments". It's about imbuing people with common sense... which you clearly seem to lack.
But that's fine. A lot of people do.
Hate to tell you Take Owner, he's got a point. . .
He doesn't have a point. He has an opinion. He made no mention on the Take whatsoever besides saying that he disagreed with what range I put myself in.
It doesn't take much to think.
On top of that, he's being completely hypocritical due to his post being able to be construed as "insulting" and then posting a Socrates quote.
This is the inanity that I'm speaking about.
"It's not about "winning arguments"" I totally agree with this, however in an argument the mature and respectful way is to simply accept that not everyone agrees with you.
Good luck finding your 6-8.
"however in an argument the mature and respectful way is to simply accept that not everyone agrees with you."
Lol. Why are you telling me this when you clearly don't take your own advice, Hypocrite? I know that not everyone will agree with me but that doesn't give you leeway to try and fail to insult.
Get some common sense.
by the way, if you ever came onto a true seminar, you'd be laughed at and kick out the first word that comes out of your mouth with that attitude. You're attacking every person that disagrees with your opinion. Your statements contradict yourself, which would put you in the general direction of the word, "hypocrite".
Well if you think your a 7-8 good for you. Confidence is attractive. I wouldn't rank you as low as WizardSnake but I think 7-8s should normally be the most beautiful girl in the room and I'd say average, not bad looking but not stunning.
Why do you insult Jeff by telling him to grow up? Even though he is 15 he shows a higher level of maturity than you.
And be honest enough to admit that you do attack people who don't agree with you. All anyone has to do to check that up is to click on your profile, and they will see right away what kind of disrespectful posts you're writing to people who don't share your views.
Also, if you don't like that people comment or disagree with what you write, then I suggest you don't post it on the internet. Have you considered writing a diary?
I agree with almost everything accept this "You may be missing out on finding the person you were meant to be with" There is no such things as someone being meant to be with you. That is a fallacy that men like me in Hollywood have created for you women. These romance stories give women unrealistic expectations of relationships.
Disagree. There are people who are in love and meant to be together. It's not an obligation or a duty or some premonition. But it's the love of your life that you're going to spend the rest of your life with. It's not for everyone, but it is for some people.
"and meant to be together"
It sounds like you have let romance novels give you unrealistic expectations. I already posted a question about that and most people agreed with you. I mean the vast majority of people agreed with me.
It is unrealistic because people are not meant to be together. That ideology borderlines off of the fallacy that your life has predetermined paths
You create your own path with your own relationship. The term meant to be together comes from the fantasy that you will meet "the one" and live happily ever after.
"Everyone has a course in life that they determine and sometimes that course is to meet the person" You just said it yourself you fucking moron, They can't be "meant to be" if the person determined the path themselves. Your ideology borderlines off of romance novels. Many people do find love. However, they find it on their own accord, not by predetermined circumstances. You are literally the epitome of why black men don't tend to date black women. You have no logic and you live in fanatsy land.
You can go ahead and have the last say though. "Guys" like you are the reasons why so many good men are being treated like shit unfairly. :)
"If that person creates that environment for themselves, then it was "meant to be". How was it meant to be? Says who? You act is if fate or God or something is defining if it was meant to be you fucking moron
SO you believe in God and fate?
*Yawn*
So then you do believe in god and fate?
Earth would truly be paradise if it wasn't for sexually transmitted diseases. And prostitutes would rule the world. Amen.
What if you were in a long term relationship, would just stop having sex once the effects of ageing took him below your attractive threshold?
Doubtful. Many men get better with age. He would still be attractive to me somehow.
Can you really be sure of that? If you'd got with a guy who was only just over your threshold surely it's possible that some stage later in the relationship he could slip below your threshold.
Nope. But there's a possibility that he may not. Why does it bother people?
If it did happen would you break up or just stop having sex?
It doesn't really bother me, it's just interesting.
Perhaps the proportion of girls that guys find attractive is higher than proportion of guys that girls find attractive. I think the vast majority of girls (my age anyway) are attractive to an extent, I wouldn't use "attractive" to describe them but there are very few girls my age not attractive enough for to be sexually interested.
Break up after talking about the issue. You don't just stop having sex with someone: that leads to cheating more like and lies.
I'm curious, roughly what proportion of guys (of an age you'd date) would you consider attractive enough?
(I mean attractive enough that you'd want to be with them.)
No clue. A lot of guys I see are just average. Not attractive to me.
Okay, certainly less than half of them then?
I guess we're just different on this, to me average girls are attractive (just not as attractive as some). I suppose makes sense for men to be interested in greater proportion of women that the other way round, for evolutionary reasons.
Attraction is subjective. Luckily, there's someone out there for everyone.
Of course. I don't see why that had to be stated though. I would think that the majority of people would have understood that from the post.
Physical appearance is only important in one-night stands, not an actual relationship.
If physical appearance is too important in a relationship, it was not meant to be.
You are shallow, because judging people on their appearance is ignoring what they may be beyond that. Not to mention "beauty" is a highly malleable concept that has been used to hurt and shame people.
"Physical appearance is only important in one-night stands, not an actual relationship."
Sorry but that's not true at all. If I was to one day consider a long term relationship/marriage with someone not only would chemistry take a huge role but physical attraction too.
I agree @Nuri007.
I wonder who keeps deleting my posts to people. Someone is flagging them definitely.
I completely disagree. Guys are willing to dramatically lower their standards for a one night stand, more than they would in a relationship. These guys lower their standards so often it causes many average women to start thinking she is above average and shouldn't have to settle for a guy that is also average looking.
Those women should understand that though. Just because a guy wants to bang doesn't mean he's attracted. It's common sense.
You'll see who is more attractive when you're turd mining and scooping more needed to support your life work. However I applause your enthusiasm you will see who is full of crap.
Sorry I didn't read the take. I read the framed picture at the top.
I read the Picasso at the top. There is no reason why you can't have the man in you're photo.
what u mean "when you turrd mining and scooping more needed to support your life work'?
I mean to say, go work in s turd mine for chump change and see how attractive people see you.
You have such high expectations for someone that's below average.
Lol. You're not one to talk. And no where did I say I have high expectations. But you can fail again. :)
I'm not the one with these stupid posts. Plus "Not Dating Unattractive Men... To me it's called "Being Realistic" proves that I'm right and you are a self-centered below average shallow individual. Good luck finding a guy like the one in the picture to like you. Seriously I mean it you will be needing plenty of luck.
The fact that you rely on profanity in result of my honest opinion proves to me that you know what I'm saying is true. I know beautiful 9s & 10s and not once have they spoken upon this sort lf subject like the way you do and you can barely pass for a 5. ... This ongoing useless argument has officially bored me. Bye and take care princess :) Just one final suggestion: Re-evaluate your way of thinking.
BURN!!! Lmfao
It's rude of you to insult her when she hasn't personally called someone ugly just says she wants someone who is attractive with personality. She didn't say she wants a man like the one in the pic. She just wants a man she's attracted to physically. That's her own opinion and your being just as shallow as you accuse her of being.
Boohoo, cry me a river.
That guy just said what basically everyone here had thought.
Lol. Yes and zero common sense pertaining to the Take itself. Personal opinions don't matter. Committing an Ad Hominem from the start while having more irrational untrue thoughts is hilarious. :)
@lovingly87 No worries. Weeding out irrationality and men from boys I also important. :D
I don't usually like to get on the defense, because I somewhat agree with you and know where you come from @BOYK1023 but that was a lame shot. Saying that she was a 5? C'mon... mad cold bro (face palm). It's almost like a contradiction that you have the nerve to comment on her high expectations yet attack her in the looks department. It was no need to be rude like that.
@Asker The word for you to learn is EMBRACE!, Embrace your flaws and accept them. If someone tells them to you, don't get in the defense and just accept them. You can't be getting offended just because you and I both know you are not attractive.
Lol. You need to look up the word "arrogance". No one's defensive or offended. But calling someone out on looks while irrationally misconstruing the Take doesn't look good on your part. You're nothing compared to the other people who disagree with you and what I think. :)
You should be saying this each morning - "Embrace, Embrace, Embrace. The word for today is embrace. I embrace my ugly, I embrace my stupidity, I embrace my ugly, I embrace my stupidity."
*Yawn* So pathetic. :)
"I embrace my ugly, I embrace my stupidity" LOL I'm weak.
Sounds pretty shallow but you have to be somewhat attracted to the person. End of story
I would argue that it's not because if you CAN'T sleep with someone, how is that your fault? lol That's fine though.
you girls are insatiable. if guy was 100% hot you would still reject him for not being confident or whatsoever.
Looks and personality. That's it.
ok. what else we have got money?
I don't think the majority of us want to take care of you. We at least want you to have a job, dreams, a place, and a car.
That's for a girl to STAY interested. For her to BE interested, I would think it's looks and personality.
That's because looks don't mean everything and it's not about just not being confident. Confidence is attractive but a girl doesn't want an overly cocky guy or a guy who constantly brings himself down. If a guy is insecure then that's fine because we all have insecurities but no one likes a pessimist.
The law of attraction states that like attracts like: if a person always complains then he'll attract negativity, not some girl who is positive.
ok. i would give you a chance @take over i hate shallow girls
You misspelled "owner". And that's okay--you're ignorant of the use of the word "shallow" apparently. Especially since someone can't be shallow if they say they can't have someone that lacks either looks or personality with sound reasoning behind it.
*wouldn't what is shallow though? i do not date shallow girls they are unattractive and turn off for me if she is 10
if girls have high standards i have too. i want looks and personality the both.
God, I'm so tired of this Take... lol.
Those aren't high standards to me. You want someone that makes you hard but you love being around. Why shouldn't you have that?
It would be if there wasn't a reason as to why I'm not able to date guys I see as unattractive (I should have added in body and personality to the title). If I can't have sex with you--and I mean nothing's getting wet down there--then what's the point of being in a relationship when that is an important component? Many men want sex in a relat. but if I can't give it to him, why waste our time?
i do not want to have sex with women who are shallow. i would not get erection for that even with the hottest one because i want the whole package.
Good for you then. We might have a different perception of the whole package. Mine would be looks and personality. Perfect package. A lot of men are missing one or the other.
mine are looks and personality too. if a girl does not have either one i would get turned off.
Awesome take. I see some people disagree, I guess that's life for you. (:
So this whole article is about a person having preferences in what they find attractive? Shocking news! People can have preferences! JESUS CHRIST HOW HORRIFYING!
News Flash: Someone Misses The Point... Again!!! hahaha
The whole point of this Take was the fact that people call everyone who doesn't want to be with what that individual considers "unattractive" shallow when there are legit reasons why someone CAN'T be with someone like that.
For example, what man is going to stay in a relationship for long with no sex? How many men would like to be lied to and told they're not attractive for the woman to sleep with them? How is this "shallow" if someone can't sexually perform with an unattractive person and doesn't want to lie to them?
If women are looking for hot guys only don't be surprised when your ass gets old and he leaves you for a younger more attractive girl
Women don't age as well as men do its very rare that some do
You mad?
No. Just trying to insert some common sense. Read the Take so that you don't come off as looking stupid. :)
You should understand its just an opinion and not a reply to your take
Then I don't understand why you would put that opinion on here when it's going to be construed that way.. haha.
This is a take that causes discussions/opinions to arise you should know that
It still makes no sense to me, because the logical route would be that every opinion would be directed or have come from the Take itself.
But you say it's merely an opinion. Okay. Not all women are looking for hot guys. Simply cute ones that have a personality that they desire (I think the majority anyway).