Why should we react positively to men calling us manipulative, promiscuous cunts (before segwaying into reading off a list as to why they need more 'rights'... never really getting to which rights they're seeking to gain)?
awe c'mon boys, speak up! If you're old enough to press the dv button from behind the safety of your computer screens, you're old enough to actually explain how/why you feel as you do.
I was going to reply but you kinda outted yourself out. I can already see how this is would play out if I carried on. But the first two sentences you wrote.
Hiw about the right to not be a father given that there have been cases of women lying that they r on the pill and then get pregnant and the man is then responsible for the woman that lied about being on the pill not to mention she is legally allowed to deny him accsess to his own children and the guy can't refuse to pay child support or he goes to jail he doesn't have to right to refuse to be the father of this child unlike women... in short women can legally enslave a man for the next 20 years or more with a lie... and its not that all women do that its that all (western) women have the option to do that and the law will back her up
That's stupid. Now to be fair some do generalize and that is wrong, but never getting into which rights they are seeking? They are very specific when they claim that they are being discriminated against, its women and feminist who couldn't tell you what rights they don't have (because they have all of them). I mean honestly, if men have no reproductive rights, no parental rights, no rights to bodily autonomy (both in genital mutilation which is illegal to perform on women but not for infant males as well as laws and court rulings like Hermsmann vs seyer that states that a male is always obligated to pay child support regardless of the circumstances (hermsmann vs seyer was a court case where a 12 year old boy was sued by his female rapist (ex babysitter) for child support and she won). I think MGTOW have a very solid case for what rights they want and honestly deserve and have in fact laid it out quite clearly and specificly in great detail nearly every time its brought up.
@hellionthesagereborn 'They are very specific when they claim that they are being discriminated against, its women and feminist who couldn't tell you what rights they don't have (because they have all of them).'
oooh. I see. so the right you men are seeking is to have absolute control over what women can and cannot do. Seeing as how the next right you listed is to do with sex and how it's 'unfair' that women have control over when and with whom they have a child with, I assume you mean that men should have the absolute right to abort a child whenever they please and otherwise just rape women whenever they wish to?
@kaylas91 u made absolutely no sense in ur last comment... he made no mention of any control over women... mens reproductive rights could be solved in large part via the pill so that men couldnt get raped into fatherhood and then focred by the law to support the child they didn't want and his rapist... hope u get the point
@grega239 ' be solved in large part via the pill so that men couldnt get raped into fatherhood and then focred by the law to support the child they didn't want and his rapist... hope u get the point' enabling men to fall pregnant will help you feel like life is more fair?
Did I say that? No. So that was not an argument. In fact its the exact opposite, I'm saying women have absolute control over men and that's wrong, then your immediate response is to claim that the only other option is absolute control over women? This kind of shows how you think, here is a third option, people have the right over themselves. I know its a revolutionary idea, to suggest that women do not get to dictate how a man lives, that they don't get to have his genitals mutilated simply because they want to, to steal his genetic material or his money simply because they feel they are entitled to it, just as we would never tolerate this if it was men doing it to women. Your attempt to dismiss the argument by not addressing it (called a straw man argument which is a logical fallacy (you use them a lot I noticed) doesn't alter the fact that everything I said was factually correct and what you said is factually incorrect. It just makes your position look weak (which it is).
As for your idiotically stupid claim about a man being able to abort a child when ever he wishes or raping a women which by the way has nothing to do with what I said as again, I pointed out that women by law actually can rape a man when ever they want with no repercussion, and they can in fact abort a mans baby whenever they want without his consent (in fact one could say that you know that I am right because clearly when these rules are applied to women instead of men you see it as a terrible and horrible thing so you at least understand that its fundamentally wrong you simply don't care as long as it benefits you). Further more rape was never brought up but since you did, less then 1% of all abortions are due to rape so that's a non issue, and according to FBI statistics you have a 99% chance of not being raped, that's right a 99% chance of NOT being raped, so again that's a non issue. The irony is that your playing the victim card, trying to portray women as victims
(despite being "strong and independent") and portraying men as oppressors while exploiting the natural biological drive that both women and especially men have that pushes them to protect women. See if the world worked like you say it does playing the "i'm just a helpless woman" card wouldn't work. It does ergo what your saying cannot be from a rational point of view, be true. Men are mistreated in society every statistic shows this (80% of suicides, 80% of homeless, less then 40% of college graduates, 4x more likely to drop out of school (thanks to the feminization of education), 98% of combat deaths, 97.5% of a workplace accidents and deaths, etc. etc.), our laws show it (paternity fraud is legal, stealing a mans genetic material is legal, etc.). Their is no argument here, your wrong period.
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Why should we react positively to men calling us manipulative, promiscuous cunts (before segwaying into reading off a list as to why they need more 'rights'... never really getting to which rights they're seeking to gain)?
awe c'mon boys, speak up! If you're old enough to press the dv button from behind the safety of your computer screens, you're old enough to actually explain how/why you feel as you do.
I was going to reply but you kinda outted yourself out. I can already see how this is would play out if I carried on. But the first two sentences you wrote.
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oh gosh darnit!
Hiw about the right to not be a father given that there have been cases of women lying that they r on the pill and then get pregnant and the man is then responsible for the woman that lied about being on the pill not to mention she is legally allowed to deny him accsess to his own children and the guy can't refuse to pay child support or he goes to jail he doesn't have to right to refuse to be the father of this child unlike women... in short women can legally enslave a man for the next 20 years or more with a lie... and its not that all women do that its that all (western) women have the option to do that and the law will back her up
That's stupid. Now to be fair some do generalize and that is wrong, but never getting into which rights they are seeking? They are very specific when they claim that they are being discriminated against, its women and feminist who couldn't tell you what rights they don't have (because they have all of them). I mean honestly, if men have no reproductive rights, no parental rights, no rights to bodily autonomy (both in genital mutilation which is illegal to perform on women but not for infant males as well as laws and court rulings like Hermsmann vs seyer that states that a male is always obligated to pay child support regardless of the circumstances (hermsmann vs seyer was a court case where a 12 year old boy was sued by his female rapist (ex babysitter) for child support and she won). I think MGTOW have a very solid case for what rights they want and honestly deserve and have in fact laid it out quite clearly and specificly in great detail nearly every time its brought up.
@hellionthesagereborn
'They are very specific when they claim that they are being discriminated against, its women and feminist who couldn't tell you what rights they don't have (because they have all of them).'
oooh. I see. so the right you men are seeking is to have absolute control over what women can and cannot do. Seeing as how the next right you listed is to do with sex and how it's 'unfair' that women have control over when and with whom they have a child with, I assume you mean that men should have the absolute right to abort a child whenever they please and otherwise just rape women whenever they wish to?
You make no sense.
@kaylas91 u made absolutely no sense in ur last comment... he made no mention of any control over women... mens reproductive rights could be solved in large part via the pill so that men couldnt get raped into fatherhood and then focred by the law to support the child they didn't want and his rapist... hope u get the point
@grega239 ' be solved in large part via the pill so that men couldnt get raped into fatherhood and then focred by the law to support the child they didn't want and his rapist... hope u get the point'
enabling men to fall pregnant will help you feel like life is more fair?
Did I say that? No. So that was not an argument. In fact its the exact opposite, I'm saying women have absolute control over men and that's wrong, then your immediate response is to claim that the only other option is absolute control over women? This kind of shows how you think, here is a third option, people have the right over themselves. I know its a revolutionary idea, to suggest that women do not get to dictate how a man lives, that they don't get to have his genitals mutilated simply because they want to, to steal his genetic material or his money simply because they feel they are entitled to it, just as we would never tolerate this if it was men doing it to women. Your attempt to dismiss the argument by not addressing it (called a straw man argument which is a logical fallacy (you use them a lot I noticed) doesn't alter the fact that everything I said was factually correct and what you said is factually incorrect. It just makes your position look weak (which it is).
As for your idiotically stupid claim about a man being able to abort a child when ever he wishes or raping a women which by the way has nothing to do with what I said as again, I pointed out that women by law actually can rape a man when ever they want with no repercussion, and they can in fact abort a mans baby whenever they want without his consent (in fact one could say that you know that I am right because clearly when these rules are applied to women instead of men you see it as a terrible and horrible thing so you at least understand that its fundamentally wrong you simply don't care as long as it benefits you). Further more rape was never brought up but since you did, less then 1% of all abortions are due to rape so that's a non issue, and according to FBI statistics you have a 99% chance of not being raped, that's right a 99% chance of NOT being raped, so again that's a non issue. The irony is that your playing the victim card, trying to portray women as victims
Dont bother... she has no idea what ur talking about
(despite being "strong and independent") and portraying men as oppressors while exploiting the natural biological drive that both women and especially men have that pushes them to protect women. See if the world worked like you say it does playing the "i'm just a helpless woman" card wouldn't work. It does ergo what your saying cannot be from a rational point of view, be true. Men are mistreated in society every statistic shows this (80% of suicides, 80% of homeless, less then 40% of college graduates, 4x more likely to drop out of school (thanks to the feminization of education), 98% of combat deaths, 97.5% of a workplace accidents and deaths, etc. etc.), our laws show it (paternity fraud is legal, stealing a mans genetic material is legal, etc.). Their is no argument here, your wrong period.
MGTOW is the mirror image of feminism, and women react to MGTOW the same way all of society reacts to feminism... it turns their stomachs.
Except mgtow doesn't have the power of influencing laws and politics like feminists
Because they don't understand MGTOW, much in the same way you don't.
This is one of the few questions that girls answers more than guys
It's said fear is the strongest motive
"Why do many women react to MGTOW so negatively?"
Why did the slave masters react to the abolitionist so negatively?
Ok u have no clue qhat im saying... bye
Ignore... i miss clicked